date:20191107

iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find, cNet

2019-11-07 Thread M. Taylor

Hello All, 

Although some of these features have already been discussed, there are a
couple that I absolutely love, including the automatic document scanning
feature which works beautifully with VoiceOver in terms of guiding a blind
person in lining up the camera for the automatic scan.  While I'm not
certain how much use a totally blind person can benefit from this feature,
low vision VoiceOver users will definitely find the Files App auto-document
scanning feature a true treasure.

Mark

iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find
We combed through the iPhone 11 and iPad Pro -- here's what we found.
November 5, 2019 7:30 AM PST
 
iOS 13 is a pretty significant update. 
Apple's iOS 13 and iPadOS 13 launch has been a whirlwind. Since its initial
release, we've seen several updates released in just over a month. The
latest version is iOS 13.2, which added support for the iPhone 11's Deep
Fusion camera trick, and the new AirPods Pro (read our in-depth AirPods Pro
review here), along with a bunch of new emoji. All of that is in addition to
the core features iOS 13 brought to your devices. After you've updated your
iPhone or iPad to the latest software and caught your breath, make sure to
try out the new dark mode (huzzah!), the gesture keyboard and improvements
made to Safari, along with anything else we cover in our complete guide to
iOS 13. 

Those features are great and all, but we've also found a handful of features
Apple didn't announce that are just as good, if not better. The new volume
indicator alone is -- chef's kiss -- a feature iOS has needed for years. And
iMessage search, well, it's downright amazing. Don't forget about the new
photo-sharing options. 
Below are 13 of the best, hidden features we found in iOS 13. If you haven't
installed iOS 13 yet, make sure you get your phone ready for the update
before taking the plunge. Should something go wrong while it installs,
you'll be glad you took the time. Oh, and if you're still on the fence about
getting an iPhone 11, be sure to read our iPhone 11 review.  

1.
Optimized battery charging 
Routinely charging your iPhone's ($900 at Amazon) battery to full, and
keeping it there for extended amounts of time, can damage your battery over
time. A new option in iOS 13 is intended to help prolong your battery's life
by learning your charging habits and preventing the battery from immediately
charging to 100%. 
If you normally charge overnight while you sleep, Optimized Battery Charging
will keep your iPhone's battery at 80% for most of the night, finishing off
the last 20% of charge right before your alarm goes off.  
To use the new features, go to Settings > Battery > Battery Health and turn
it on. 

2.
Use the new Scroll Bar 
When you're scrolling a webpage in Safari, a new Scroll Bar shows up on the
right side of the screen. Only instead of just being a handy way to see
where you're at on a page, you can now use it to scroll faster. Try it out
by starting to scroll on a page, then long-press on the scroll bar and drag
it up or down. The faster you drag, the faster Safari will scroll.  

3.
Scan documents in the Files app 
The revamped Files app now lets you scan documents and save them directly to
your device or cloud storage with little effort. Open the Files app, select
the Browse tab, tap on the three-dot icon in the top-right corner, then Scan
Documents. Hold your device over the document you want to scan, and it
should automatically capture the page. You can scan multiple pages into one
PDF file and then save to iCloud, or import it into another app once you're
done.  

4.
iMessage search actually works now 
Searching for past messages in the iMessage app has always been horrible. It
simply hasn't worked. That's changed. You can now search for a single word
or phrase, and results are almost instantly displayed. 
It's pretty cool. To try it, open the Messages app, swipe down to reveal the
search field and type. Neat, right? 

5.
Search your iPhone with your voice 
Anywhere you find a search bar in Apple's own apps, you'll notice there's
now a microphone on the far-right side. Tap on the new icon to enter your
search query by voice, instead of having to type it out.  
Apps like Settings, Mail, Messages and the Today View are just a few
examples of where you can find the new voice search option.  

6.
Share photos with or without location information 
You can now strip location information from a photo when you share it
directly from the Photos app. The new option means you can leave the photo
geotagged and you can view where it was captured, but when you share it
across social media, email or messages, you can strip that information and
keep any location information private. 
Select a photo (or photos) you want to share in the Photos app then tap on
Options at the top of the screen and turn off Location under the section
labeled Include. 

7.
New volume indicator 
Another long-overdue feature iOS users have been begging Apple to

Re: Are any of You Receiving a Particular Call Saying It's From You?

2019-11-07 Thread 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone

I too think it is a scam. I had one I would say a couple of years ago but I 
deleted it and afterword I heard that something like that is a scam. So don’t 
ever answer it. I understand it the way they do it is they get you to say yes 
to something and then they can track your phone and mess with it. Just leave it 
alone and get rid of it.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:57 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 

Shirley, I don't mean to scare you, but this is the way that my friend had her 
Amazon account hacked. It is a scam. Ignore please.

Reggie Alvarado 

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 

Have any of you received a call saying it's from you and your phone starts 
beeping very fast? Normally, I have silence unknown calls on but needed to have 
it turned off today. I wasn't thinking and answered it and it said it was from 
Microsoft, knowing afterwards that it wasn't really them. I got it again a few 
minutes later but declined it at that point. I just hhate how your phone starts 
beeping and ringing at the same time like they are sending a text message. Just 
wondered if any of you are getting stupid calls like this?

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Re: Are any of You Receiving a Particular Call Saying It's From You?

2019-11-07 Thread regina alvarado

Shirley, I don't mean to scare you, but this is the way that my friend had her 
Amazon account hacked. It is a scam. Ignore please.

Reggie Alvarado 

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 

Have any of you received a call saying it's from you and your phone starts 
beeping very fast? Normally, I have silence unknown calls on but needed to have 
it turned off today. I wasn't thinking and answered it and it said it was from 
Microsoft, knowing afterwards that it wasn't really them. I got it again a few 
minutes later but declined it at that point. I just hhate how your phone starts 
beeping and ringing at the same time like they are sending a text message. Just 
wondered if any of you are getting stupid calls like this?

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RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he was 
quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the 
September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 
6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the 
iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software 
development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover 
did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or 
at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even 
though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a 
lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were 
maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone 
allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get 
out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have 
criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact 
that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility.
For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely 
compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are 
multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards 
installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't 
use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely 
horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as 
German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of 
a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI 
inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. 
Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off 
Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is 
only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but 
if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it 
wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging 
Apple Accessibility about it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make 
a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, Apple is 
focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that when Steve 
Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS 
upgrades were first released. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
>

Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Ryan Mann

I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make 
a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, Apple is 
focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that when Steve 
Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS 
upgrades were first released. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically 
> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I 
> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take 
> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major 
> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so 
> there are better choices eventually.
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I agree.
>> 
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>> until I can flick away from it.
>> 
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>> back to Alex.
>> 
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about 
>> this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it 
>> is definitely buggy still.
>> 
>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
>> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>>> Best, Keith
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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Christopher Chaltain

For me, it's not as bad as IOS 9 was. I had to reboot my phone every 
time I answered a phone call for like four months with IOS 9. I had to 
restart VoiceOver every time I replied to an email message for two 
years. I'm not seeing those problems myself with IOS 13, but unlike all 
of those unsympathetic people who didn't have the same issues I did with 
IOS 9, I feel the pain of those of you who are running into similar 
issues in IOS 13.




On 11/7/19 7:25 AM, kelby carlson wrote:

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.


On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:

Hi, I agree.

First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
can flick away from it.

The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back 
to Alex.

And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this.  
The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
definitely buggy still.

Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have to 
had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier 
versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems 
with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a 
heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
Best, Keith

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

Interesting, I've never run into that.
Could you send an example?




Richard
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:07 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the 
em dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel  wrote:

Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the 
bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I 
bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR.  I'm pleased to report that after 
turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found 
that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order 
to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency.  I see that the Native Email app 
does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's 
not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently.  
I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen 
after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third 
of the way down and my focus is right back where it was.  Although I might not 
have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do 
actually add beneficial functionality.

I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope 
that Apple will bring that back for folks.

BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 
13.  Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and 
what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the 
new/changed app functionality.  You've helped make the transition a breeze.

Thx, Albert

***

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
it's snappy and responsive.
The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down.
Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, 
some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I 
have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages 
like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not 
committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting 
old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a 
topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or 
others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued 
development and improvement.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.

On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:

Hi, I agree.

First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
can flick away from it.

The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go ba

Annoying Facebook App Issue and a VoiceOver Question

2019-11-07 Thread Tom Lange

Hi,
For quite some time now, I’ve had this annoying issue when posting or 
commenting on people’s posts in the Facebook app. The scenario goes like this:
I’m typing away, either on the onscreen keyboard, or, more frequently on my 
Braille display. I’ll enter part or all of a word and WHAM! up pops someone’s 
name, completely stealing focus away from my eloquent prose, ha ha. At that 
instant I verbally utter some eloquent and dare I say vociferous curses which 
fortunately won’t make it into my post or comment. I then have to do a lot of 
fiddling about to regain focus on the edit field where I was writing. My 
question, therefore, is whether there’s a way to stop Facebook from popping up 
what it thinks are contact suggestions? If not, is there a way to tell 
VoiceOver to ignore those popups and maintain focus where I’m editing? Thanks 
in advance for any suggestions.
Tom  

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread kelby carlson

One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the em 
dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change.

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the 
> bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I 
> bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR.  I'm pleased to report that after 
> turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've 
> found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn 
> in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency.  I see that the 
> Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did 
> before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to 
> operate differently.  I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to 
> the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the 
> screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it 
> was.  Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are 
> just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality.  
> 
> I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and 
> hope that Apple will bring that back for folks.  
> 
> BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about 
> iOS 13.  Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work 
> with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use 
> many of the new/changed app functionality.  You've helped make the transition 
> a breeze.  
> 
> Thx, Albert
> 
> *** 
> 
> Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada
> albertr...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically 
> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I 
> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take 
> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major 
> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so 
> there are better choices eventually.
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I agree.
>> 
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>> until I can flick away from it.
>> 
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>> back to Alex.
>> 
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows a

Re: Braille Table in the Rotor

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

I'm not sure about the first part of your question, but I've never found a way 
to get braille table or language, for that matter, out of the rotor.




Richard
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi,
I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my iPhone 
with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have input set 
to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched over to using 
UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s absolutely necessary. 
So, my questions are these:
1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if I 
want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I want 
to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in 
the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to 
change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?

These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.

Tom

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Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

navigating by line was fixed for me in iOS 13.2.
Which mail bug are you talking about?
The focus issue for me where when deleting emails and being put back at the top
left on the back button is virtually gone.
It's happened maybe twice since 13.2.

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Feliciano Godoy wrote:

Mail issue is still a problem with iOS 13.2.2. On the bright side, navigating
line by line using the rotor when composing or replying to emails is fixed.

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Tom Lange wrote:

Hi,
Nope, the focus issue in Mail is still there as far as I can tell. I just
updated to 13.2.2 a couple hours ago so I need to fiddle with it for a while
before concluding that the focus bug is deceased. I don’t think the Raid has
killed him off yet. Iince I remember first encountering him back in IOS 5 or
6, and he disappeared, only to rear his ugly head again
in IOS 13, it might take a nuclear blast to completely do him in, lol.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 3:55 PM, kelby carlson wrote:

Most of the bugs I encountered in updating to iOS 13.2 are still there, though
the focus problems in mail seem to be gone. Still getting the misspelled words
rotor action is still there when it doesn't need to be.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Hi folks

Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
Davy

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Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Feliciano Godoy