Re: Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi,

For Prime Video when the video is playing on your mobile, double-tap and
select the "Subtitles and Audio" and then under Audio, you'll find English
(Audio Description).
For Hulu If you’re watching a show or movie that has audio description
available, you can enable it on mobile by following these steps:

   - Tap the "Settings" icon during playback
   - Tap "English - Audio Description" under Audio


Hope this helps

Pramit


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:30 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
> How do you turn on or launch audio description on both Hulu and prime
> video? Can anyone tell me a program on either of those services that has
> audio description so I can test it? Also, if I turn it on for one device,
> will it remember it for others or will I have to turn it on for each device?
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Re: New game: Galactic Colonies

[Wayne Merritt]

Holly, so far from what I can tell, there are missions in Galactic Colonies, 
but they thus far appear to incorporate the earned bonuses immediately. The 
issue with Crafting Kingdom is annoying, but after a while, you earn so much 
gold per minute in the boost slots that starting over is no big deal, IMO. And, 
to Andie, to each their own. 

Kind regards, 
Wayne 

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Re: New game: Galactic Colonies

[Andy Baracco]

No fighting, no racing, no fun!

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Holly Anderson" 

To: "viphone list list" 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: New game: Galactic Colonies


Hi. Do you know if this game has the same weird quirk in game play that in 
order to really get ahead you have to restart it several times. At least my 
experience with Crafting Kingdom was that you could complete quests but your 
reward wouldn’t take effect until you restarted the entire game all over 
again. I never wanted to do this.


I found it frustrating for that reason.
Holly


On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

Greetings. I found this on AppleVis. The game is called Galactic
Colonies and the app directory entry is:
https://applevis.com/apps/ios/games/galactic-colonies
This is a free simulation and resource management game. It is from
MetalPop Games, or the same folk who did Crafting Kingdom. It does not
seem like there are any fights or conflict, just building and
maintaining resources, and exploring planets. Note, the game is not
fully accessible. The developers are working on improving
accessibility, and mentioned that in the What's New area in the App
Store, as of today anyway. If Crafting Kingdom is any indication, I'm
sure Galactic Colonies will work great when it is fully mature. They
also say in the game that they are releasing it for testing. So
perhaps the fully released version will be even better. Anyway, I've
been messing with it this afternoon and like it. It has some of the
same quirks as CK, such as speech sometimes being interrupted, but it
is usable. The AppleVis link above includes a link to the
AudioGames.net forum, which looks to have some good info.

Enjoy,
Wayne

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Re: New game: Galactic Colonies

[Holly Anderson]

Hi. Do you know if this game has the same weird quirk in game play that in 
order to really get ahead you have to restart it several times. At least my 
experience with Crafting Kingdom was that you could complete quests but your 
reward wouldn’t take effect until you restarted the entire game all over again. 
I never wanted to do this.

I found it frustrating for that reason.
Holly

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Greetings. I found this on AppleVis. The game is called Galactic
> Colonies and the app directory entry is:
> https://applevis.com/apps/ios/games/galactic-colonies
> This is a free simulation and resource management game. It is from
> MetalPop Games, or the same folk who did Crafting Kingdom. It does not
> seem like there are any fights or conflict, just building and
> maintaining resources, and exploring planets. Note, the game is not
> fully accessible. The developers are working on improving
> accessibility, and mentioned that in the What's New area in the App
> Store, as of today anyway. If Crafting Kingdom is any indication, I'm
> sure Galactic Colonies will work great when it is fully mature. They
> also say in the game that they are releasing it for testing. So
> perhaps the fully released version will be even better. Anyway, I've
> been messing with it this afternoon and like it. It has some of the
> same quirks as CK, such as speech sometimes being interrupted, but it
> is usable. The AppleVis link above includes a link to the
> AudioGames.net forum, which looks to have some good info.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Wayne
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Re: Best podcast to download for exercising?

[Richard Turner]

This is not a podcast, but a large group of mp3 files of various work outs from 
a blind trainer.
It used to cost, but she has made it free.
Its worth checking out.
Take your time, there is a lot there.
https://www.blindalive.com/




Richard


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Hi,
I am looking for the best workout podcasts to download. Preferably ones for 
beginners, as I am not in the best shape, so I need some thing that will not be 
too complex. Obviously, I know that I will have to work at it, but I’m not 
looking for something complex like a marathon training podcast or anything.
Thanks in advance,
Dacia

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Re: I just looked in the settings but I could not find it

[B. J. Maynard]

hi,

I've never had a iPad so take this with that in mind.  you might only be 
abble to use sms messaging if your  iPad is  with a  carrier like verizon 
and not just hte  wyfi moddles.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Clement" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: I just looked in the settings but I could not find it


Hi,

My apologies, my info I took from my iphone not from my ipad. Checking the 
settings on my ipad, the "messages" app is listed well down in "settings" 
but I did not see a "send with SSL" entry within the Messages app settings. 
Thus, I am not certain if you can send texts to Android phones from the 
ipad. However, I would expect it to be able to do so.


Perhaps you could try it and let us know if it does work?

Thanks,
Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:50 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
 wrote:




I just looked in the settings for the messaging app and it doesn’t seem to 
be there.


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Best podcast to download for exercising?

[dacia . luck]

Hi,
I am looking for the best workout podcasts to download. Preferably ones for 
beginners, as I am not in the best shape, so I need some thing that will not be 
too complex. Obviously, I know that I will have to work at it, but I’m not 
looking for something complex like a marathon training podcast or anything.
Thanks in advance,
Dacia

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Re: I just looked in the settings but I could not find it

[Dave Clement]

Hi, 

My apologies, my info I took from my iphone not from my ipad. Checking the 
settings on my ipad, the "messages" app is listed well down in "settings" but I 
did not see a "send with SSL" entry within the Messages app settings. Thus, I 
am not certain if you can send texts to Android phones from the ipad. However, 
I would expect it to be able to do so. 

Perhaps you could try it and let us know if it does work? 

Thanks, 
Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:50 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 

I just looked in the settings for the messaging app and it doesn’t seem to be 
there.

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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Okay.
For me,  I Don't use Either Apple's FaceID  or the PassCoe
as
I said in PreviousPostin's, I Miss  the HomeButton


At 06:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
I have gotten used to face ID, and when it wants 
to be cranky, I've gotten really fast at 
punching my six-code password. I have a sighted 
friend here, and I remember her saying, no big 
deal to punch in password. I thought she was 
nuts, but she's right, not bad once you're used to it.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

How are  you,Caroline liking  Apple'sFaceID ComparedTo  Apple's TouchID?
Personally, I  Don'tCare because I  Never used 
TouchID on My 1stGeneration SE or iPhone6, 
I  just Miss  the HomeButton & Am not FondOf 
FaceID on My XS MAX or 11PRO At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:

>I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go to an XR, but they had
>no XR in stock at our Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that
>is on a two and a half year contract, but my phone bill is reasonable.
>It is with AT I am happy with my phone and with my service.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is I  Don'tThink the
>1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14
>
>OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
>Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13
>
>JustCurious,Caroline
>Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
>At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >Well, the SE would be going through all of the
> >13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just
> >gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I
> >known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called
> >and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
> >
> >Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a
> >battery good for a whole day.
> >
> >So now, the SE is four years old.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> >Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
> >To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >
> >That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's
> >iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
> >If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE,
> >then it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the
> >1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of
> >2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
> >
> >Time will Tell TheStory
> >
> >As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone
> >have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple
> >supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
> >
> >Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of
> >Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader,
> >which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of
> >the 5S
> >
> >
> >At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> > >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now.
> > >Entering a low cost phone into the mix 
will help them sell tuns of these things.

> > >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on
> > >the market and offers longer software support than any Android
> > >phone out there. You could buy an iPhone 
SE2020 and still have it in five years.

> > >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> > >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly
> > >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be
> > >>slightly smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> > >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen
> > >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home
> > >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen
> > >>they could easily make such a phone in the
> size of an old 5S or the original SE.
> > >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess,

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Okay.
MyApologies  ForSpelling YourName InCorrectly in PreviousPostin's

At 06:10 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
I did get a great deal and no problem with the 
size of it. The new phones have the screen going 
all the way to the edges of the screen, so, as 
someone said earlier don't require as much "real 
estate." My guess is, with it in its case that 
it is about6 1/2 x 3 1/2. It is the same 
thickness as my SE; it is heavier, but I'm use to it now.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, b but Are you,Caroline "Happy" with TheSize  of Your 11?
Looks like you got a  GreatDeal on Your11

At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go to an XR, but they had
>no XR in stock at our Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that
>is on a two and a half year contract, but my phone bill is reasonable.
>It is with AT I am happy with my phone and with my service.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is I  Don'tThink the
>1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14
>
>OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
>Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13
>
>JustCurious,Caroline
>Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
>At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >Well, the SE would be going through all of the
> >13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just
> >gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I
> >known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called
> >and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
> >
> >Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a
> >battery good for a whole day.
> >
> >So now, the SE is four years old.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> >Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
> >To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >
> >That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's
> >iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
> >If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE,
> >then it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the
> >1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of
> >2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
> >
> >Time will Tell TheStory
> >
> >As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone
> >have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple
> >supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
> >
> >Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of
> >Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader,
> >which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of
> >the 5S
> >
> >
> >At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> > >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now.
> > >Entering a low cost phone into the mix 
will help them sell tuns of these things.

> > >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on
> > >the market and offers longer software support than any Android
> > >phone out there. You could buy an iPhone 
SE2020 and still have it in five years.

> > >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> > >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly
> > >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be
> > >>slightly smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> > >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen
> > >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home
> > >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen
> > >>they could easily make such a phone in the
> size of an old 5S or the original SE.
> > >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess,
> > >>don't think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of
> > >>years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 

RE: I just looked in the settings but I could not find it

[Carolyn]

Adrian, Messages is in Settings. I checked, and it is 19, starting from 
General. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I just looked in the settings but I could not find it

I just looked in the settings for the messaging app and it doesn’t seem to be 
there.

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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

I have gotten used to face ID, and when it wants to be cranky, I've gotten 
really fast at punching my six-code password. I have a sighted friend here, and 
I remember her saying, no big deal to punch in password. I thought she was 
nuts, but she's right, not bad once you're used to it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

How are  you,Caroline liking  Apple'sFaceID ComparedTo  Apple's TouchID?
Personally, I  Don'tCare because I  Never used TouchID on My 1stGeneration SE 
or iPhone6, I  just Miss  the HomeButton & Am not FondOf FaceID on My XS MAX or 
11PRO At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go to an XR, but they had 
>no XR in stock at our Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that 
>is on a two and a half year contract, but my phone bill is reasonable. 
>It is with AT I am happy with my phone and with my service.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is I  Don'tThink the 
>1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14
>
>OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
>Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13
>
>JustCurious,Caroline
>Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
>At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >Well, the SE would be going through all of the
> >13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just 
> >gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I 
> >known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called 
> >and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
> >
> >Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a 
> >battery good for a whole day.
> >
> >So now, the SE is four years old.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> >Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
> >To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >
> >That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's 
> >iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
> >If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, 
> >then it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
> >1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of
> >2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
> >
> >Time will Tell TheStory
> >
> >As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone 
> >have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple 
> >supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
> >
> >Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of 
> >Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, 
> >which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of 
> >the 5S
> >
> >
> >At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> > >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. 
> > >Entering a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these 
> > >things.
> > >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on 
> > >the market and offers longer software support than any Android 
> > >phone out there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five 
> > >years.
> > >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> > >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly 
> > >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  
> > >>slightly smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> > >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen 
> > >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home 
> > >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen 
> > >>they could easily make such a phone in the
> size of an old 5S or the original SE.
> > >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, 
> > >>don't think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of 
> > >>years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

I did get a great deal and no problem with the size of it. The new phones have 
the screen going all the way to the edges of the screen, so, as someone said 
earlier don't require as much "real estate." My guess is, with it in its case 
that it is about6 1/2 x 3 1/2. It is the same thickness as my SE; it is 
heavier, but I'm use to it now. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, b but Are you,Caroline "Happy" with TheSize  of Your 11?
Looks like you got a  GreatDeal on Your11

At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go to an XR, but they had 
>no XR in stock at our Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that 
>is on a two and a half year contract, but my phone bill is reasonable. 
>It is with AT I am happy with my phone and with my service.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is I  Don'tThink the 
>1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14
>
>OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
>Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13
>
>JustCurious,Caroline
>Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
>At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >Well, the SE would be going through all of the
> >13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just 
> >gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I 
> >known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called 
> >and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
> >
> >Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a 
> >battery good for a whole day.
> >
> >So now, the SE is four years old.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
> >Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
> >To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >
> >That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's 
> >iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
> >If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, 
> >then it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
> >1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of
> >2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
> >
> >Time will Tell TheStory
> >
> >As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone 
> >have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple 
> >supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
> >
> >Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of 
> >Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, 
> >which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of 
> >the 5S
> >
> >
> >At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> > >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. 
> > >Entering a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these 
> > >things.
> > >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on 
> > >the market and offers longer software support than any Android 
> > >phone out there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five 
> > >years.
> > >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> > >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly 
> > >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  
> > >>slightly smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> > >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> > >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> > >>
> > >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen 
> > >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home 
> > >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen 
> > >>they could easily make such a phone in the
> size of an old 5S or the original SE.
> > >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, 
> > >>don't think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of 
> > >>years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: 

RE: Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?

[chaltain]

For Amazon Prime, on an iPhone, start a program that has described video, 
double tap on the screen and then find the audio and subtitles option. Double 
tap this option and select the English with described video language. This will 
persist when you watch any show with described video. 
https://acb.org/adp/articles/amazonadinfo.html

Shows on Prime that have video description include Bosch, The Expanse, and Jack 
Ryan. You can find a complete list at https://acb.org/adp/amazonad.html

--
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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of dacia.l...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:01 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?
> 
> Hi,
> How do you turn on or launch audio description on both Hulu and prime video?
> Can anyone tell me a program on either of those services that has audio
> description so I can test it? Also, if I turn it on for one device, will it 
> remember it
> for others or will I have to turn it on for each device?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?

[dacia . luck]

How do you turn them on using your phone? I have an iPhone eight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:14 PM, 'Jan Howells' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the Toshiba fire tv, to turn on audio description, you press options, 
> then up arrow once, then hit the enter or ok button in the middle.  Then you 
> hit it a secomd time for English.  You then scroll down to audio description. 
>  I only watch Christian movies, so I would have to direct you to one of them 
> to check it out.  The one that comes to mind is, Overcomer.  Mary Poppins 
> also has it.  Hulu has a section just for audio described movies.  None of 
> them interested me.  I might let that one go.  I like Prime Video, thhgh.  I 
> do have Prime.  After hitting options and up arrow one time, I think that it 
> says description.  It will say if it is not available.  Then you do not have 
> to go any further.  I think that once you set it on your tv, it will be 
> working on your other devices.  I could be wrong.  I am not sure.  But I 
> think that it is then set in the Alexa app.
> 
> Jan
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Re: New game: Galactic Colonies

[Alex Stone]

Thanks for this, I’ve just started playing it.

> On 20 Apr 2020, at 22:29, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Greetings. I found this on AppleVis. The game is called Galactic
> Colonies and the app directory entry is:
> https://applevis.com/apps/ios/games/galactic-colonies
> This is a free simulation and resource management game. It is from
> MetalPop Games, or the same folk who did Crafting Kingdom. It does not
> seem like there are any fights or conflict, just building and
> maintaining resources, and exploring planets. Note, the game is not
> fully accessible. The developers are working on improving
> accessibility, and mentioned that in the What's New area in the App
> Store, as of today anyway. If Crafting Kingdom is any indication, I'm
> sure Galactic Colonies will work great when it is fully mature. They
> also say in the game that they are releasing it for testing. So
> perhaps the fully released version will be even better. Anyway, I've
> been messing with it this afternoon and like it. It has some of the
> same quirks as CK, such as speech sometimes being interrupted, but it
> is usable. The AppleVis link above includes a link to the
> AudioGames.net forum, which looks to have some good info.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Wayne
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re: Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?

['Jan Howells' via VIPhone]

On the Toshiba fire tv, to turn on audio description, you press 
options, then up arrow once, then hit the enter or ok button in 
the middle.  Then you hit it a secomd time for English.  You then 
scroll down to audio description.  I only watch Christian movies, 
so I would have to direct you to one of them to check it out.  
The one that comes to mind is, Overcomer.  Mary Poppins also has 
it.  Hulu has a section just for audio described movies.  None of 
them interested me.  I might let that one go.  I like Prime 
Video, thhgh.  I do have Prime.  After hitting options and up 
arrow one time, I think that it says description.  It will say if 
it is not available.  Then you do not have to go any further.  I 
think that once you set it on your tv, it will be working on your 
other devices.  I could be wrong.  I am not sure.  But I think 
that it is then set in the Alexa app.


Jan

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Turning on audio description in Hulu and Prime Video?

[dacia . luck]

Hi,
How do you turn on or launch audio description on both Hulu and prime video? 
Can anyone tell me a program on either of those services that has audio 
description so I can test it? Also, if I turn it on for one device, will it 
remember it for others or will I have to turn it on for each device?

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I just looked in the settings but I could not find it

['Adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

I just looked in the settings for the messaging app and it doesn’t seem to be 
there.

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Re: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[John Panarese]

  Ok. So what I did is this:

1. I opened Settings
2. I selected, Mail.
3. I selected the Notifications near the top of the screen.

4. I have several accounts, so I selected one of the accounts.
5. It should have a default sound. Double tap on that and you should see a 
collection of text tones and ringtones as selections. I am seeing ones I have 
bought and ones I collected from various sources. Note that these are both 
textures and ringtones.

Take Care

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> On Apr 20, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 10:08 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>    As far as I am aware, they should be available to you. I have a lot of 
>> different texttones and ringtones I’ve either purchased or collected, and 
>> they are available as sound options for mail. You might have to look around 
>> on the screen as I believe they might be organized by Apple defaults and 
>> purchased/collected. I’ll try to take a look if you continue to have 
>> problems locating them.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering 
>>> if I can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and 
>>> ringtone.  If so how would I do this since when I go into the different 
>>> tones you can change under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I 
>>> purchased.
>>> Jen
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Re: Regarding I pad and anne droid question

[Dave Clement]

Hello, 

I cannot speak for the Mac but you can do it from your iPad using the IMessage 
app. You need to turn on the "send using SMS" option in

settings / messages

You also cannot send any of the fancy graphics effects that IMessage supports 
to them. 

Dave Clement
WinnipegMB


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:27 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 

I have a I pad and a Mac,but not a I phone.Is it possible for me to be able to 
send a message to a Anne droid user?

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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

How are  you,Caroline liking  Apple'sFaceID ComparedTo  Apple's TouchID?
Personally, I  Don'tCare because I  Never used 
TouchID on My 1stGeneration SE or iPhone6, I  just Miss  the HomeButton

&
Am not FondOf FaceID on My XS MAX or 11PRO
At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go 
to an XR, but they had no XR in stock at our 
Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that 
is on a two and a half year contract, but my 
phone bill is reasonable. It is with AT I am 
happy with my phone and with my service.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is 
I  Don'tThink the 1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14


OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13

JustCurious,Caroline
Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>Well, the SE would be going through all of the
>13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just
>gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I
>known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called
>and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
>
>Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a
>battery good for a whole day.
>
>So now, the SE is four years old.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's
>iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then
>it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE
>was Released in TheSpring of
>2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
>
>Time will Tell TheStory
>
>As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone
>have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple
>supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>
>Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of
>Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader,
>which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the
>5S
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering
> >a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly
> >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen
> >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home
> >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen
> >>they could easily make such a phone in the 
size of an old 5S or the original SE.

> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years,
> >>but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>You may find, any new 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Okay, b but Are you,Caroline "Happy" with TheSize  of Your 11?
Looks like you got a  GreatDeal on Your11

At 03:11 PM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go 
to an XR, but they had no XR in stock at our 
Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that 
is on a two and a half year contract, but my 
phone bill is reasonable. It is with AT I am 
happy with my phone and with my service.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is 
I  Don'tThink the 1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14


OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE
Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13

JustCurious,Caroline
Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>Well, the SE would be going through all of the
>13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just
>gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I
>known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called
>and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
>
>Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a
>battery good for a whole day.
>
>So now, the SE is four years old.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's
>iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then
>it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE
>was Released in TheSpring of
>2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
>
>Time will Tell TheStory
>
>As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone
>have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple
>supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>
>Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of
>Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader,
>which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the
>5S
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering
> >a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly
> >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen
> >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home
> >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen
> >>they could easily make such a phone in the 
size of an old 5S or the original SE.

> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years,
> >>but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
> >>
> >>Dave.
> >>
> >>
> >>From: kitty hevener 
> >>Sent: 

Regarding I pad and anne droid question

['Adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

I have a I pad and a Mac,but not a I phone.Is it possible for me to be able to 
send a message to a Anne droid user? 

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Re: The My Verizon app

[Robin Frost]

  
Hi Anne and all,
I posted about this situation last
week and i"m glad that you joined me in reporting this issue. As
to others reporting no problems with it perhaps this is
explained by the fact that not all sections of the app have been
equally impacted. It appears to me that the up rewards area and
the billing area are still fine but what is now the combined
manage devices and plans area which used to be separated manage
plans and devices by itself are now combined and are unreadable
or nearly so with voiceover in play. The settings area of the
app is another hard hit area.
I also mentioned that last week a
friend of mine who is also a Verizon customer seems as though
she's viewing a completely different version of the app as even
the sections of the app are appearing differently. For instance
by her manage plans is still separate from devices. Why this is
I do not know. And why such a huge corporation whose purpose is
to provide mobile connectivity would roll out a major app update
just as the world shuts down will forever be beyond me.
But Anne I'm here to say again I can
absolutely verify that which you are saying and I can do little
in the way of paying off a device or upgrading a device or
switching plans right now myself in this app and it makes me
really upset.
If you'd also like to tweet at them
if you've the means to do so they are at
@VZWSupport
Thanks to all who attempt to
reproduce the difficulties and report them if you do.
For those of us for whom
accessibility is now broken the situation is really difficult as
getting customer service on the phone is really not going well
and in my case when i did they didn't seem able to help with my
account related issue anyway.
Here's hoping through polite and
consistent communication accessibility can be restored to this
vital app for account management.
Take good care.
Robin


On 4/20/2020 4:23 PM, Anne West wrote:


  
  
  
  
Hi all!
 
Yesterday, I went to the My Verizon app to
  get info and found the app to be totally different and not
  accessible. This morning, my sighted friend, Hope, was here
  and spent a lot of time with me attempting to find a way for
  me to access info on the app. The app has been very Voice Over
  friendly but it’s not now. The info I wanted was on the screen
  but we couldn’t figure out how I can access it.
 
Being pro active, I called the Verizon Tech
  coach and spoke with Andre who was very interested in what I
  had to say. I’m not going to write a novel but will say the
  app needs serious help. I’m only one person of many so if
  other Verizon subscribers could call to note the many issues,
  maybe something will be done. I am extremely disappointed with
  the latest app revision. It is not at all user friendly. I
  needed sighted help for most items on the app. Thanks in
  advance.
 
Anne West
k1stm...@gmail.com
 
  
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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

I bought an 11 on January 3. I had thought to go to an XR, but they had no XR 
in stock at our Wal-Mart. So, I got 11 for $648; of course, that is on a two 
and a half year contract, but my phone bill is reasonable. It is with AT I 
am happy with my phone and with my service. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is I  Don'tThink the 1stGeneration 
SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14

OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE 
Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13

JustCurious,Caroline
Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>Well, the SE would be going through all of the
>13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my new phone. It had just 
>gotten to where I was having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I 
>known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or whatever that is called 
>and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept it longer.
>
>Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a 
>battery good for a whole day.
>
>So now, the SE is four years old.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's 
>iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then 
>it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE 
>was Released in TheSpring of
>2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
>
>Time will Tell TheStory
>
>As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  
>have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple 
>supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>
>Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  
>Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, 
>which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 
>5S
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering 
> >a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly 
> >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly 
> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen 
> >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home 
> >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen 
> >>they could easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the 
> >>original SE.
> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't 
> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, 
> >>but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
> >>
> >>Dave.
> >>
> >>
> >>From: kitty hevener 
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >>Subject: RE: 

New game: Galactic Colonies

[Wayne Merritt]

Greetings. I found this on AppleVis. The game is called Galactic
Colonies and the app directory entry is:
https://applevis.com/apps/ios/games/galactic-colonies
This is a free simulation and resource management game. It is from
MetalPop Games, or the same folk who did Crafting Kingdom. It does not
seem like there are any fights or conflict, just building and
maintaining resources, and exploring planets. Note, the game is not
fully accessible. The developers are working on improving
accessibility, and mentioned that in the What's New area in the App
Store, as of today anyway. If Crafting Kingdom is any indication, I'm
sure Galactic Colonies will work great when it is fully mature. They
also say in the game that they are releasing it for testing. So
perhaps the fully released version will be even better. Anyway, I've
been messing with it this afternoon and like it. It has some of the
same quirks as CK, such as speech sometimes being interrupted, but it
is usable. The AppleVis link above includes a link to the
AudioGames.net forum, which looks to have some good info.

Enjoy,
Wayne

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Re: FYI for those ordering AT SE through Apple

[Robin]

Congrat to you,MissElizabeth! && Congrats to Others, who Purchased!
Blessin's to All!
At 10:38 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
When I bought my first iPhone from Att, I 
ordered it over the phone and received the same 
email. Now that you have accepted the terms and conditions everything is good.



Sent from my iPhone
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>
> I had some questions, so ordered over the 
phone. Later got email from Apple (Checked to 
make sure it was legitimate from the address 
field) saying order couldn’t be processed 
until approved AT’s sales and conditions 
agreement: the go here link continuously 
brought up page saying server not found. I then 
got to try the order link to see what would 
happen: I had to provide Apple user ID and 
password, as was instructed in the email, which 
brought up my order history, through which I 
clicked on the order,, and from there found the 
terms and conditions, for which I checked the 
boxes. I was really worried though because it 
said you only had 24 hours to give the 
approval, otherwise your order would be delayed 
or canceled. Just letting you all know, since 
at least for me, based on the Apple email with 
that link that didn’t work, it wasn’t obvious what to do.

>
> So, I got the red phone (always wanted a red 
one); anticipated arrival is between May 6 through the 13th.

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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

As I  Said, I wasn't Countin' The iOsUpdate that 
it CameOut of the box with, which was iOS9.
I know it came with iOS9, as I was 1 of TheFew to 
GetIt when it 1stLaunched  in Spring2016

&
I already Admited that it has Already Received 4 
Additional iOSUpdates: iOS10, iOS11, iOS12, & iOS13

TheJury is Out if  the 1stGeneration SE will Receive iOS14

I  chose Not to Update My 1stGeneration SE Past iOS10: iOS10.3.3
At 10:30 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
When I bought my first SE, it was on 11, then 
went to 12, and 13. So, there are three. People 
who bought theirs earlier had 9 and 10. That adds to five 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Not Countin' TheYears, I'm countin'  TheYear 
that  Apple's iOS update  is Released


The 1stGeneration SE  was Released in  Sprin2016 
with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far it has Received 
3Additional iOS updates, as its (currently) on

iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)
At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's
>iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then
>it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE
>was Released in TheSpring of
>2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
>
>Time will Tell TheStory
>
>As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone
>have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple
>supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>
>Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of
>Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader,
>which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the
>5S
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering
> >a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly
> >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen
> >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home
> >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen
> >>they could easily make such a phone in the 
size of an old 5S or the original SE.

> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years,
> >>but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
> >>
> >>Dave.
> >>
> >>
> >>From: kitty hevener 
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
> >>phone I currently have.  Since 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Wow! You're a  Mathematician too! LOL HaHaHa
At 10:28 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:

My math on the thing too.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13


Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)


Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired 
& has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ 
with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which 
is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S



At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don̢۪t like the la larger phones, I
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had
>>for the most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in
>>the fall of 2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old
>>iPhone 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Alrady Known, What I'm sayin' (Tryin to Say) is 
I  Don'tThink the 1stGeneration SE will Receive SupportFor iOS14


OfCourse, if  the 1stGeneration SE 
Received  iOS13, it should Recieve All   of TheUpdates associated with iOS13


JustCurious,Caroline
Which iPhone did you UpGradeTo?
At 10:26 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
Well, the SE would be going through all of the 
13 updates. I had the latest, when I bought my 
new phone. It had just gotten to where I was 
having to charge my battery twice a day. Had I 
known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or 
whatever that is called and take down a lot of 
apps running, I might have kept it longer.


Those were the days when I was out and about way 
more, and needed a battery good for a whole day.


So now, the SE is four years old.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13


Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)


Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired 
& has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ 
with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which 
is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S



At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don̢۪t like the la larger phones, I
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoom

[Arlene]

Unfortunately Wayne and I missed the meeting too. By time we were checking 
email saturday night, the chat was over. We're looking forward to going to 
the next  chat Mark sets up for us. The chat is very much an addition to the 
list, from time to time, whenever we would have a chat, and almost getting 
to know one another more and hearing one another's voices.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoom


Sorry I missed the meeting, guess I should check my email more often, lol. 
Would love to try that sometime.



On Apr 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Mark is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoom
Time: Apr 18, 2020 02:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/73808093761?pwd=Ly9YeWsvMWFabWM4S21wczVaUHB3Zz09

Meeting ID: 738 0809 3761
Password: 5PkK79

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RE: The My Verizon app

[Peter Logan]

I am having no issues with the app.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anne West
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The My Verizon app

 

Hi all!

 

Yesterday, I went to the My Verizon app to get info and found the app to be 
totally different and not accessible. This morning, my sighted friend, Hope, 
was here and spent a lot of time with me attempting to find a way for me to 
access info on the app. The app has been very Voice Over friendly but it’s not 
now. The info I wanted was on the screen but we couldn’t figure out how I can 
access it.

 

Being pro active, I called the Verizon Tech coach and spoke with Andre who was 
very interested in what I had to say. I’m not going to write a novel but will 
say the app needs serious help. I’m only one person of many so if other Verizon 
subscribers could call to note the many issues, maybe something will be done. I 
am extremely disappointed with the latest app revision. It is not at all user 
friendly. I needed sighted help for most items on the app. Thanks in advance.

 

Anne West

k1stm...@gmail.com  

 

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Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Joy Cyr]

Arlene I've been there and done that, ... middle of a very personal exchange 
too (hostile personal exchange) I really do understand how it feels.  That said 
truly  not something to worry about!
Joy


"Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. ... Life 
is either a daring adventure or nothing. ..."
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The My Verizon app

[Anne West]

Hi all!

 

Yesterday, I went to the My Verizon app to get info and found the app to be
totally different and not accessible. This morning, my sighted friend, Hope,
was here and spent a lot of time with me attempting to find a way for me to
access info on the app. The app has been very Voice Over friendly but it's
not now. The info I wanted was on the screen but we couldn't figure out how
I can access it.

 

Being pro active, I called the Verizon Tech coach and spoke with Andre who
was very interested in what I had to say. I'm not going to write a novel but
will say the app needs serious help. I'm only one person of many so if other
Verizon subscribers could call to note the many issues, maybe something will
be done. I am extremely disappointed with the latest app revision. It is not
at all user friendly. I needed sighted help for most items on the app.
Thanks in advance.

 

Anne West

k1stm...@gmail.com  

 

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Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Marco Chan]

Hi Mark,
Thanks, when will we meet then?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Apr 2020, at 4:08 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Arlene,  Do not beat yourself up about  making a mistake. It happens to the 
> best of us. It’s OK. Remember, we are all going through this pandemic 
> together and Anythinggoes these days. LOL.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Arlene  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Richard, you're totally right, it was purely a big embarrassing mistake of 
>> me sending that message to Duane. The cause of me making that mistake of 
>> which I should have been extra careful, with a coincidence on the same day, 
>> Mark set up the zoom chat for us, the members of this list and Duane was 
>> hosting a zoom chat for our school friends, New york institute for the 
>> blind. So as it turns out Duane wrote a message here to the phone list about 
>> the zoom chat for the members of this list, and I had the private message 
>> from him to me inviting me to our school chat which took place last night. 
>> So unfortunately I replied to the wrong message with not taking the second 
>> it would have taken to make sure I was replying to the right message. I was 
>> in a bit of a hurry since I had a question for one of our friends that was 
>> going on the chat, but in times like that you think you're so sure, but 
>> that's a lesson to make sure it's the right message.  This was awful for 
>> this to happen, and understandibly I dreaded going through my email, but yes 
>> it was an awful and worst mistake, and this never happened to me before, I'm 
>> usually very carefull before I send a message, with a majority of messages I 
>> always go down a few lines to see the previous message header. I normally 
>> always do that, and it's probably a good thing to do, as in a situation like 
>> saturday. If I had done that this never would have happened.
>>  
>> As far as the list turning into a chat list, I think Mark will handle that 
>> well as he does with other matters that crop up. I think Mark keeps this 
>> list very organized and in check, in handling matters. This list is such a 
>> treasure with sharing solutions we figure out, answering questions, and 
>> asking for help. Thank you, Mark, and I apologize to everyone for the 
>> biggest email mistake I ever made, because that's what it was, purely a 
>> mistake, having 2 messages from the same individual, one to this list and 
>> the other message, a private message to me. So I hope this thread 
>> conversation of a mistaken message could be put to rest, and thank you, 
>> Mark, Richard, and everyone for your understanding and listening.
>>  
>> Arlene
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
>> 
>> It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you 
>> are right.
>> However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead 
>> of what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide 
>> open with the Zoom chat.
>> Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
>> checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
>> Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
>> with iPhones.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone SE)
>> C
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> this message doesn’t have to do with anything!
>>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as 
>>> I would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
>>> memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is 
>>> not best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not 
>>> even Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best 
>>> for me neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and 
>>> jeff I know from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was 
>>> in lower school. Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that 
>>> hasn't changed. What I know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and 
>>> straight forward which is no fault in a personality, and you've got to 
>>> appreciate some amount of straight forwardness to know exactly what someone 
>>> thinks. I didn't know Charlie quite as well as I knew jeff, but never 
>>> thought poorly of Charlie. This might sound like small beans of sort, and 
>>> trivial, though it's happened more than once, that Charlie would have some 
>>> sort of sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages written to the list. 
>>> It didn't just happen with some messages I wrote, it happened with messages 
>>>  from some other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the only person that 
>>> 

Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Diane Giannetti]

Arlene,  Do not beat yourself up about  making a mistake. It happens to the 
best of us. It’s OK. Remember, we are all going through this pandemic together 
and Anythinggoes these days. LOL.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard, you're totally right, it was purely a big embarrassing mistake of me 
> sending that message to Duane. The cause of me making that mistake of which I 
> should have been extra careful, with a coincidence on the same day, Mark set 
> up the zoom chat for us, the members of this list and Duane was hosting a 
> zoom chat for our school friends, New york institute for the blind. So as it 
> turns out Duane wrote a message here to the phone list about the zoom chat 
> for the members of this list, and I had the private message from him to me 
> inviting me to our school chat which took place last night. So unfortunately 
> I replied to the wrong message with not taking the second it would have taken 
> to make sure I was replying to the right message. I was in a bit of a hurry 
> since I had a question for one of our friends that was going on the chat, but 
> in times like that you think you're so sure, but that's a lesson to make sure 
> it's the right message.  This was awful for this to happen, and 
> understandibly I dreaded going through my email, but yes it was an awful and 
> worst mistake, and this never happened to me before, I'm usually very 
> carefull before I send a message, with a majority of messages I always go 
> down a few lines to see the previous message header. I normally always do 
> that, and it's probably a good thing to do, as in a situation like saturday. 
> If I had done that this never would have happened.
>  
> As far as the list turning into a chat list, I think Mark will handle that 
> well as he does with other matters that crop up. I think Mark keeps this list 
> very organized and in check, in handling matters. This list is such a 
> treasure with sharing solutions we figure out, answering questions, and 
> asking for help. Thank you, Mark, and I apologize to everyone for the biggest 
> email mistake I ever made, because that's what it was, purely a mistake, 
> having 2 messages from the same individual, one to this list and the other 
> message, a private message to me. So I hope this thread conversation of a 
> mistaken message could be put to rest, and thank you, Mark, Richard, and 
> everyone for your understanding and listening.
>  
> Arlene
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
> 
> It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you 
> are right.
> However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead 
> of what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide 
> open with the Zoom chat.
> Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
> checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
> Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
> with iPhones.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone SE)
> C
> 
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> this message doesn’t have to do with anything!
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene  wrote:
>> 
>> Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as 
>> I would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
>> memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is 
>> not best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not 
>> even Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for 
>> me neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff 
>> I know from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in 
>> lower school. Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't 
>> changed. What I know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight 
>> forward which is no fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate 
>> some amount of straight forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I 
>> didn't know Charlie quite as well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly 
>> of Charlie. This might sound like small beans of sort, and trivial, though 
>> it's happened more than once, that Charlie would have some sort of 
>> sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages written to the list. It didn't 
>> just happen with some messages I wrote, it happened with messages  from some 
>> other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the only person that noticed his 
>> comments and don't like it no better than I do, though some of them are 
>> still on the list. And God Bless those friends that being on the list keeps 
>> them there and communicating with everyone even 

Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Arlene]

Richard, you're totally right, it was purely a big embarrassing mistake of me 
sending that message to Duane. The cause of me making that mistake of which I 
should have been extra careful, with a coincidence on the same day, Mark set up 
the zoom chat for us, the members of this list and Duane was hosting a zoom 
chat for our school friends, New york institute for the blind. So as it turns 
out Duane wrote a message here to the phone list about the zoom chat for the 
members of this list, and I had the private message from him to me inviting me 
to our school chat which took place last night. So unfortunately I replied to 
the wrong message with not taking the second it would have taken to make sure I 
was replying to the right message. I was in a bit of a hurry since I had a 
question for one of our friends that was going on the chat, but in times like 
that you think you're so sure, but that's a lesson to make sure it's the right 
message.  This was awful for this to happen, and understandibly I dreaded going 
through my email, but yes it was an awful and worst mistake, and this never 
happened to me before, I'm usually very carefull before I send a message, with 
a majority of messages I always go down a few lines to see the previous message 
header. I normally always do that, and it's probably a good thing to do, as in 
a situation like saturday. If I had done that this never would have happened.

As far as the list turning into a chat list, I think Mark will handle that well 
as he does with other matters that crop up. I think Mark keeps this list very 
organized and in check, in handling matters. This list is such a treasure with 
sharing solutions we figure out, answering questions, and asking for help. 
Thank you, Mark, and I apologize to everyone for the biggest email mistake I 
ever made, because that's what it was, purely a mistake, having 2 messages from 
the same individual, one to this list and the other message, a private message 
to me. So I hope this thread conversation of a mistaken message could be put to 
rest, and thank you, Mark, Richard, and everyone for your understanding and 
listening.

Arlene


  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m


  It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you 
are right. 
  However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead 
of what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide open 
with the Zoom chat.
  Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
  Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
with iPhones.



  Richard




  (Sent from my iPhone SE)

  C






On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson  wrote:


this message doesn’t have to do with anything!

On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene  wrote:

Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as 
I would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is not 
best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not even 
Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for me 
neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff I know 
from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in lower school. 
Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't changed. What I 
know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight forward which is no 
fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate some amount of straight 
forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I didn't know Charlie quite as 
well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly of Charlie. This might sound like 
small beans of sort, and trivial, though it's happened more than once, that 
Charlie would have some sort of sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages 
written to the list. It didn't just happen with some messages I wrote, it 
happened with messages  from some other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the 
only person that noticed his comments and don't like it no better than I do, 
though some of them are still on the list. And God Bless those friends that 
being on the list keeps them there and communicating with everyone even though, 
actually Charlie's never posted that much as long as he's been on the list. 
I've had my full of these wisecracking comments to me, and some others, and it 
means even more when it happens to you, it's real to you. So the pattern is 
when he had his wisecracking, so clever comment to something I wrote, Charlie 
making his comment was the big brother, the gang leader of sorts. Then Jeff 
would come along with his 

Mac for the blind online courses, free

[Shirley Healy]

Please share with as many people as you think might be interested.

I have mentioned here in the past that I was interested in pursuing holding 
online courses of various kinds in the future. I got a bit sidetracked and 
caught up in several other projects and tasks, but I have slowly been 
contemplating and pondering the subject as time has passed.
What I would like to do is first offer some free courses to help current users 
or potential users of the Mac and iDevices get themselves started or familiar 
with a lot of the basics in an easy, straight forward in systematic manner. 
With the current circumstances created by the COVID19 pandemic, I also think 
free courses would be helpful to many and appreciated as well. 
Obviously, if this project gains interest, it will expand and include several 
intermediate and advanced areas of material regarding the Mac or iDevices. I 
have plenty of ideas and thoughts, but it will basically depend on the response 
from the community and the interest of users.
With that all said, let me present my ideas and thoughts as they stand now. 
Please do pass this information along to as many possibly interested people you 
know and share it with them all.
The How
I plan to hold these courses in some kind of online or telephone manner. This 
will come down to what the general consensus of the interested people feel is 
best. I am looking at Free Conference Calls as one possible avenue, while other 
conferencing solutions, such as Zoom, has been suggested by many, along with a 
few others, including Microsoft Teams. 
The When
At the moment, I'd like to start doing something in May. Specifically, the 
weeks of the 11th or 18th are potential starting points. Again, though, this 
will depend on the number of people interested and their suggestions.
The What
As far as the material I plan to present, here are some initial topics I would 
like to offer.
. An Introduction to your Mac and MacOS using VoiceOver
. VoiceOver Basics on the Mac: Interaction to Navigation
.Basic Web Browsing on the Mac with VoiceOver and Safari
. VoiceOver and applications on the Mac
.An Introduction to your iDevice and its potential using VoiceOver
.VoiceOver and iOS: Basic Gestures and the Item Rotor Explained
.VoiceOver and Applications in iOS: A Crash Course
. Your Apple Devices and Their Connectivity and Potential Power
What I need from You
Now, what I would like from those who are interested is to please respond to my 
ideas for the how, when and what options. You can do this by using the 
https://macfortheblind.com/contact-us
Link on  the main page
or you can email me directly at,
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Please indicate in the subject that you are interested in attending the online 
courses. Also, please tell me the following:
.What conferencing method might be desired or felt to be the easiest for you to 
use?
.What days of the week and times of the day would be most convenient for you to 
attend an online course that would last between one hour and an hour and a half?
.Out of the topics listed above, please let me know which ones would be of the 
most interest to you.
Once I receive responses from the community, I will contact you directly with 
details and set up the initial course time and material. If I receive a mixture 
of suggestions, I will do my best to present multiple courses with the desired 
topics to accommodate as many folks as I possibly can.
I thank you in advance for your interest, and I hope that I will meet you 
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Re: FYI for those ordering AT SE through Apple

[Elizabeth Ulrich]

When I bought my first iPhone from Att, I ordered it over the phone and 
received the same email. Now that you have accepted the terms and conditions 
everything is good. 


Sent from my iPhone 
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope 
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> I had some questions, so ordered over the phone. Later got email from Apple 
> (Checked to make sure it was legitimate from the address field) saying order 
> couldn’t be processed until approved AT’s sales and conditions agreement: 
> the go here link continuously brought up page saying server not found. I then 
> got to try the order link to see what would happen: I had to provide Apple 
> user ID and password, as was instructed in the email, which brought up my 
> order history, through which I clicked on the order,, and from there found 
> the terms and conditions, for which I checked the boxes. I was really worried 
> though because it said you only had 24 hours to give the approval, otherwise 
> your order would be delayed or canceled. Just letting you all know, since at 
> least for me, based on the Apple email with that link that didn’t work, it 
> wasn’t obvious what to do. 
> 
> So, I got the red phone (always wanted a red one); anticipated arrival is 
> between May 6 through the 13th.
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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

When I bought my first SE, it was on 11, then went to 12, and 13. So, there are 
three. People who bought theirs earlier had 9 and 10. That adds to five 9, 10, 
11, 12, 13. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Not Countin' TheYears, I'm countin'  TheYear that  Apple's iOS update  is 
Released

The 1stGeneration SE  was Released in  Sprin2016 with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far 
it has Received 3Additional iOS updates, as its (currently) on
iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)
At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Robin
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's 
>iOSUpdates on Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then 
>it would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE 
>was Released in TheSpring of
>2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13
>
>Time will Tell TheStory
>
>As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  
>have Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple 
>supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>
>Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  
>Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, 
>which is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 
>5S
>
>
>At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering 
> >a low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly 
> >>what you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly 
> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen 
> >>and virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home 
> >>button wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen 
> >>they could easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the 
> >>original SE.
> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't 
> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, 
> >>but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
> >>
> >>Dave.
> >>
> >>
> >>From: kitty hevener 
> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the 
> >>phone I currently have.  Since I don̢۪t like the la larger phones, 
> >>I will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  
> >>You might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
> >>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from 
> >>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the 
> >>apple bar, I succeeded.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

My math on the thing too. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on 
Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE). 
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would 
have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE was Released in 
TheSpring of 2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13

Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  have 
Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple supportin' its 
iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)

Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame 
as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S


At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a 
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what 
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly 
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button 
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could 
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't 
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but 
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. 
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the 
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I 
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You 
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from 
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the 
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the 
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had 
>>for the most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in 
>>the fall of 2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old 
>>iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 and 2013.
>>
>>As for iOS 14, I think it’s 

RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Carolyn]

Well, that's me, now that I have become accustomed to making my calls myself. 
However, my husband and friend have a point when they say that I don't have to 
open phone and go to Contacts or Favorites, just get Siri to make call, almost 
as fast as speed dial. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Its about choice not everyone wants to use Siri.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

I know Siri isn't always possible, but telling Siri to call XYZ's home phone, 
or work phone, etc., is much faster than littering your home screen with 
peoples contacts ... just my opinion and I'm stuck with it.  Grin.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

Well, the SE would be going through all of the 13 updates. I had the latest, 
when I bought my new phone. It had just gotten to where I was having to charge 
my battery twice a day. Had I known then to go into Screen App Refresh, or 
whatever that is called and take down a lot of apps running, I might have kept 
it longer. 

Those were the days when I was out and about way more, and needed a battery 
good for a whole day. 

So now, the SE is four years old. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on 
Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE). 
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would 
have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE was Released in 
TheSpring of 2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13

Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  have 
Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple supportin' its 
iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)

Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame 
as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S


At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a 
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what 
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly 
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button 
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could 
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. 
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't 
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but 
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. 
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the 
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I 
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You 
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from 
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the 
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the 
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had 
>>for the most part the 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

That was what I thought about the screen sizes, Sieghard, but I know that you 
know. I'm convinced now. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Because the new OLED display technology does no longer require the large bezel 
which is otherwise around the screen of every iPhone, also not requiring space 
for the  Touch Id home button frees up a lot of space which can be used for the 
screen without increasing the size of the phone.
Take a look at the below dimensions of th eiPhon e8, 8 Plus and iPhone 11 Pro 
and you see what I mean, the iPhon e11 Pro has the largest screen of those 3 
models with 5.8 inches yet it is much smaller than the iPhone 8 Plus which has 
a slightly smaller screen, 5.5 inches, and it's only just a very little bit 
larger than the iPhone 8 with a 4.7 inch screen:

iPhone 8 with 4.7 inch display: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm iPhone 8 Plus with 5.5 
inch display: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5mm iPhone 11 Pro with 5.8 inch display: 144 x 
71.4 x 8.1 mm
 
The increase in size from the 8 to the 11 Pro is 5.7mm in length (less than a 
quarter inch), 4mm in width (a bit more than a one eighth inch) and 0.8mm in 
thickness.
If you were to put an iPhone 8 on top of an 11 Pro you could notice the 
slightly longer length, the width you would barely notice and yet the screen of 
the iPhone 11 Pro is more than 1 inch larger.
If Apple released a 5.4 inch iPhone with OLED screen and Face Id this fall 
which is 0.4 inches less than the iPhone 11 Pro, such a phone would most 
definitely be slightly smaller in length and width than the current iPhone 8.

Best regards,
Sieghard




the example of the iPhone 11 Pro, it is 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?



Marie
-Original Message-
From: Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you are 
stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the
4.7 in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 

RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Carolyn]

That is what my husband and my girlfriend tell me. It is hard to get used to 
just asking her, because when I first went with Consumer Cellular, I had some 
problems getting connections. 

The guy at Consumer Cellular said I'd probably have excellent luck by just 
doing them my self, and he was right. So, I really got into the habit of doing 
them myself. In the meantime, Consumer got better access and offered more data, 
plus I'm on AT now, no problem about calls. Especially in a loud place, like 
a busy restaurant (will we ever be there again?) it will be better to use Siri. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

I know Siri isn't always possible, but telling Siri to call XYZ's home phone, 
or work phone, etc., is much faster than littering your home screen with 
peoples contacts ... just my opinion and I'm stuck with it.  Grin.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Carolyn]

True. It and Recents are side by side, and I use them the most. 

-Original Message-
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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

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Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

MyBad, You're Right, iOS10  in 2016 TO iOS13 in 2019, Does Equal 4 (4Years)
&
That's not Countin' TheVersion it was LaunchedWith

At 09:23 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
When I went to school, 9 plus 3 equals 12, so in 
fact, it has received 4 updates, 10, 11, 12, and 13.





Richard


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Robin  wrote:
>
> Not Countin' TheYears, I'm 
countin'  TheYear that  Apple's iOS update  is Released

>
> The 1stGeneration SE  was Released 
in  Sprin2016 with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far it 
has Received 3Additional iOS updates, as its 
(currently) on iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)

> At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Robin

>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>> That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>> If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13

>>
>> Time will Tell TheStory
>>
>> As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)

>>
>> Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was 
Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & 
iPhone6S+ with Exception 
to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame as 
on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S

>>
>>
>> At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>> >low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>> >>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>> >>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>> >>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>> >>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>> >>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>> >>
>> >>Dave.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: kitty hevener 
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>> >>phone I currently have.  Since I 
don’t li like the la larger phones, I

>> >>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>> >>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>> >>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>> >>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>> >>apple bar, I succeeded.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: 

Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

MayBe I  MisSpoke:
I'm Not Countin' TheYear,2016 that it was 
Released Because it was Released with ThePriorYear's iOS, & that was iOS9

I  Presume
it's a  Given, that it will Support the iOS (SoftWare) that it was LaunchedWith

At 09:23 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
When I went to school, 9 plus 3 equals 12, so in 
fact, it has received 4 updates, 10, 11, 12, and 13.





Richard


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Robin  wrote:
>
> Not Countin' TheYears, I'm 
countin'  TheYear that  Apple's iOS update  is Released

>
> The 1stGeneration SE  was Released 
in  Sprin2016 with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far it 
has Received 3Additional iOS updates, as its 
(currently) on iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)

> At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Robin

>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>> That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>> If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13

>>
>> Time will Tell TheStory
>>
>> As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)

>>
>> Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was 
Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & 
iPhone6S+ with Exception 
to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame as 
on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S

>>
>>
>> At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>> >low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>> >>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>> >>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>> >>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>> >>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>> >>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>> >>
>> >>Dave.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: kitty hevener 
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>> >>phone I currently have.  Since I 
don’t li like the la larger phones, I

>> >>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>> >>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>> >>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>> >>folks on this list, apple 

Re: how to add contacts to home screen

[Richard Turner]

Exactly why I phrased my response the way I did.




Richard


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> Its about choice not everyone wants to use Siri.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen
> 
> I know Siri isn't always possible, but telling Siri to call XYZ's home phone, 
> or work phone, etc., is much faster than littering your home screen with 
> peoples contacts ... just my opinion and I'm stuck with it.  Grin.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen
> 
> If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you 
> land each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
> Favourites with just a single double tap.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen
> 
> If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
> little bit of time. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen
> 
> Hello Dennis,
> 
> You ask an interesting question.
> 
> So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak 
> an iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home 
> screen in order to more quickly call the contact.  
> 
> As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
> of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a 
> long time.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: how to add contacts to home screen
> 
> Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Richard Turner]

When I went to school, 9 plus 3 equals 12, so in fact, it has received 4 
updates, 10, 11, 12, and 13.




Richard


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Not Countin' TheYears, I'm countin'  TheYear that  Apple's iOS update  is 
> Released
> 
> The 1stGeneration SE  was Released in  Sprin2016 with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far 
> it has Received 3Additional iOS updates, as its (currently) on iOS13 (Meanin' 
> its iOS13 supported)
> At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> 
>> That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on 
>> Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
>> If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it 
>> would have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE was 
>> Released in TheSpring of 2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  
>> September2019: Apple's iOS13
>> 
>> Time will Tell TheStory
>> 
>> As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  have 
>> Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple supportin' its 
>> iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)
>> 
>> Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's 
>> iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is 
>> TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S
>> 
>> 
>> At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>> >iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>> >low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>> >Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>> >market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>> >there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>> >On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>> >>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>> >>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>> >>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>> >>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>> >>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>> >>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>> >>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>> >>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>> >>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>> >>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>> >>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>> >>
>> >>Dave.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: kitty hevener 
>> >>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>> >>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> >>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>> >>phone I currently have.  Since I don̢۪t like the la larger phones, I
>> >>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>> >>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>> >>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>> >>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>> >>apple bar, I succeeded.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> >>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>> >>To: 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

JustRemember:
 iOS updates  are Released in September or 
October, & Not TheSpring (i.e., March,April, & May)

JustSayin'
At 09:11 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
Not Countin' TheYears, I'm countin'  TheYear 
that  Apple's iOS update  is Released


The 1stGeneration SE  was Released in  Sprin2016 
with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far it has Received 
3Additional iOS updates, as its (currently) on 
iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)

At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:

Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13


Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)


Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was 
Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & 
iPhone6S+ with Exception 
to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame as 
on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S



At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don’t 
liklike the la larger phones, I

>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had
>>for the most part 

RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marco,

Yes, any meeting invitation I post is open to all members of the group.

So, go ahead and download the app and set up a free Zoom meeting account, if 
you have not yet done so.

Looking forward to talking to you soon.

Mark. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marco Chan
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

Does the Zoom meeting mentioned here open for new participant?

Marco
Sent from my iPhone


On 20 Apr 2020, at 4:13 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Or just try hitting delete.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 2:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
 
I would just like to point out that the following statement is still at the 
bottom of every message to this list:
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself
 
Arlene’s message was obviously sent to the wrong list. Alia’s message was just 
as pointless except that it was intentionally sent to the list. I remember 
during the stimulus discussion, Larry pointed out several times that the thread 
had been closed. Richard’s message below, as well as my message here, is best 
sent directly to the moderator. IMHO, people who take on the role of the 
moderator can potentially cause many more list problems then a mistake or an 
off topic post. I personally find Mark rather inconsistent with his list 
moderation, but he is the list moderator and he can moderate this list any way 
he wants. I can always go to one of the many other list options if I find the 
noise too high on this list.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
 
It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you are 
right. 
However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead of 
what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide open 
with the Zoom chat.
Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
with iPhones.
 
Richard
 
(Sent from my iPhone SE)
C
 
 
On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
this message doesn’t have to do with anything!

On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene  wrote:

Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as I 
would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is not 
best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not even 
Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for me 
neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff I know 
from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in lower school. 
Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't changed. What I 
know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight forward which is no 
fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate some amount of straight 
forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I didn't know Charlie quite as 
well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly of Charlie. This might sound like 
small beans of sort, and trivial, though it's happened more than once, that 
Charlie would have some sort of sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages 
written to the list. It didn't just happen with some messages I wrote, it 
happened with messages  from some other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the 
only person that noticed his comments and don't like it no better than I do, 
though some of them are still on the list. And God Bless those friends that 
being on the list keeps them there and communicating with everyone even though, 
actually Charlie's never posted that much as long as he's been on the list. 
I've had my full of these wisecracking comments to me, and some others, and it 
means even more when it happens to you, it's real to you. So the pattern is 
when he had his wisecracking, so clever comment to something I wrote, Charlie 
making his comment was the big brother, the gang leader of sorts. Then Jeff 
would come along with his message saying he agreed with Charlie, and one or 2 
times Don who I don't know in person make some stupid comment. This happened 
with Charlie and jeff way to many times for me with charlie's wisecracking 
message and Jeff following 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

Not Countin' TheYears, I'm countin'  TheYear 
that  Apple's iOS update  is Released


The 1stGeneration SE  was Released in  Sprin2016 
with Apple's iOS9, &  so Far it has Received 
3Additional iOS updates, as its (currently) on 
iOS13 (Meanin' its iOS13 supported)

At 09:03 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:

Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE).
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 
1stGeneration SE was Released in TheSpring of 
2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13


Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of 
Apple supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)


Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired 
& has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ 
with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which 
is TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S



At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE.
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again.
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don̢۪t like the la larger phones, I
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had
>>for the most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in
>>the fall of 2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old
>>iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 and 2013.
>>
>>As 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Peter Logan]

Exactly .. not new math .. but actual screen real estate ..  Thanks for 
clarifying ..



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Because the new OLED display technology does no longer require the large bezel 
which is otherwise around the screen of every iPhone, also not requiring space 
for the  Touch Id home button frees up a lot of space which can be used for the 
screen without increasing the size of the phone.
Take a look at the below dimensions of th eiPhon e8, 8 Plus and iPhone 11 Pro 
and you see what I mean, the iPhon e11 Pro has the largest screen of those 3 
models with 5.8 inches yet it is much smaller than the iPhone 8 Plus which has 
a slightly smaller screen, 5.5 inches, and it's only just a very little bit 
larger than the iPhone 8 with a 4.7 inch screen:

iPhone 8 with 4.7 inch display: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm iPhone 8 Plus with 5.5 
inch display: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5mm iPhone 11 Pro with 5.8 inch display: 144 x 
71.4 x 8.1 mm
 
The increase in size from the 8 to the 11 Pro is 5.7mm in length (less than a 
quarter inch), 4mm in width (a bit more than a one eighth inch) and 0.8mm in 
thickness.
If you were to put an iPhone 8 on top of an 11 Pro you could notice the 
slightly longer length, the width you would barely notice and yet the screen of 
the iPhone 11 Pro is more than 1 inch larger.
If Apple released a 5.4 inch iPhone with OLED screen and Face Id this fall 
which is 0.4 inches less than the iPhone 11 Pro, such a phone would most 
definitely be slightly smaller in length and width than the current iPhone 8.

Best regards,
Sieghard




the example of the iPhone 11 Pro, it is 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?



Marie
-Original Message-
From: Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you are 
stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the
4.7 in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Peter Logan]

Spring of 2016 to Spring of 2020 is 4 years ...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on 
Older MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE). 
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would 
have been only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration SE was Released in 
TheSpring of 2016 & Recieve its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13

Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its MobilePhones, the iPhone  have 
Declined Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple supportin' its 
iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)

Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired & has TheSpecs of  Apple's 
iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is TheSame 
as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S


At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
>iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a 
>low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things.
>Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
>market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
>there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.
>On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
>>The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what 
>>you are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly 
>>smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
>>virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button 
>>wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could 
>>easily make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. 
>>Of course whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't 
>>think it is anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but 
>>who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. 
>>I'm guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
>>page, not 20 like the original SE phones.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>From: kitty hevener 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the 
>>phone I currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I 
>>will definitely be sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You 
>>might recall that I purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  
>>It was a mess getting the thing to work, but persistence, help from 
>>folks on this list, apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the 
>>apple bar, I succeeded.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>>
>>
>>
>>First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the 
>>exact same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 
>>inch screen.
>>
>>The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had 
>>for the most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in 
>>the fall of 2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old 
>>iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 and 2013.
>>
>>As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S 
>>Plus and the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After 
>>all, the iPhone 5S which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled 
>>got all the upgrades including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it 

RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Dennis Long]

Its about choice not everyone wants to use Siri.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

I know Siri isn't always possible, but telling Siri to call XYZ's home phone, 
or work phone, etc., is much faster than littering your home screen with 
peoples contacts ... just my opinion and I'm stuck with it.  Grin.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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Re: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[Richard Turner]

Two things,
Call Apple Accessibility because I suspect you are missing something,
And you will get more answers if you make sure you are writing at the top of 
the email you are replying to. Your message was at the very bottom after the 
two sets of VIPhone info at the bottom of each message.
I only took the time to check there because I didn't think you meant to just 
copy John's email.




Richard


> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 10:08 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>    As far as I am aware, they should be available to you. I have a lot of 
>> different texttones and ringtones I’ve either purchased or collected, and 
>> they are available as sound options for mail. You might have to look around 
>> on the screen as I believe they might be organized by Apple defaults and 
>> purchased/collected. I’ll try to take a look if you continue to have 
>> problems locating them.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering 
>>> if I can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and 
>>> ringtone.  If so how would I do this since when I go into the different 
>>> tones you can change under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I 
>>> purchased.
>>> Jen
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> I went to new mail notification and the only ring tones available 

Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Robin]

That Remains ToBe seen, & I'm specifically 
Referrin'To Apple's iOSUpdates on Older 
MobilePhones (Like the 1stGeneration iPhoneSE). 
If Apple doesn't  Allow For iOS14 on  its 
1stGeneration iPhoneSE, then it would have been 
only SupportedFor 3Years since  the 1stGeneration 
SE was Released in TheSpring of 2016 & Recieve 
its Last iOS update in  September2019: Apple's iOS13


Time will Tell TheStory

As you have  Described, Apple's Sales of its 
MobilePhones, the iPhone  have Declined 
Over-the-Years & this could Be a  Result of Apple 
supportin' its iOSDevices LongerThan its Competitors (Mainly Samsung)


Let's Remember the 1stGeneration SE  was Retired 
& has TheSpecs of  Apple's iPhone6S & iPhone6S+ 
with Exception to  TheFingerPrintReader, which is 
TheSame as on Apple's iPhone5S along with the BodyFrame of the 5S



At 07:42 AM 4/20/2020, you wrote:
iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple 
of years now. Entering a low cost phone into the 
mix will help them sell tuns of these things. 
Especially when their budget offering is better 
than anything on the market and offers longer 
software support than any Android phone out 
there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.

On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:
The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this 
fall will be exactly what you are stating 
..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the 4.7 in. SE...



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Carolyn

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone 
with an OLED screen and virtually no screen 
bezel as well as Face Id so that the home 
button wouldn't have to take up space at the 
bottom of the screen they could easily make 
such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the 
original SE. Of course whether this is going to 
happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is 
anything which we'll see in the next couple of 
years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Carolyn

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a 
phone that small again. I'm guessing that the 
new ones have 24 icons on the original home 
page, not 20 like the original SE phones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of 
the original se, the phone I currently 
have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, 
I will definitely be sticking with what I have 
as long as I can.  You might recall that I 
purchased an se with more space not that long 
ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to work, 
but persistence, help from folks on this list, 
apple accessability desk, and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which 
was just released is the exact same size/format 
of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.


The original iPhone SE which was released in 
the spring of 2016 had for the most part the 
internals of the iPhone 6S which was released 
in the fall of 2015, but it was actually a 4 
inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 and 2013.


As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible 
that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus and the original SE 
still get this year’s iOS release. After all, 
the iPhone 5S which was released in 2013 with 
iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it 
not get iOS 13 any more. This means after the 
OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, 
all the way from 2013 to 2018 or 6 years.


The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were 
all released with iOS 9 preinstalled and so far 
they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one version less than the 5S.


My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and 
we will definitely not 

Re: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[Shirley Baker]

The ring tones I purchased were for ring tones only so far as I know, text 
tones for text tones, Etc. If I'm wrong, then I guess somebody will tell me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I've never purchased any ringtones, but the custom tones I've made are 
> available for all of those alerts.
> Sometimes you have to navigate by headings to get to the ringtones section, 
> since that is where they will be stored, but I would think they would be 
> available for text tones and emails, calendars alerts, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or 
> just for text tone and ringtone
> 
> Hi,
> I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering if 
> I can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and ringtone. 
>  If so how would I do this since when I go into the different tones you can 
> change under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I purchased.
> Jen
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Re: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[Jen .]

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 10:08 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    As far as I am aware, they should be available to you. I have a lot of 
> different texttones and ringtones I’ve either purchased or collected, and 
> they are available as sound options for mail. You might have to look around 
> on the screen as I believe they might be organized by Apple defaults and 
> purchased/collected. I’ll try to take a look if you continue to have problems 
> locating them.
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering if 
>> I can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and 
>> ringtone.  If so how would I do this since when I go into the different 
>> tones you can change under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I 
>> purchased.
>> Jen
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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Because the new OLED display technology does no longer require the large bezel 
which is otherwise around the screen of every iPhone, also not requiring space 
for the  Touch Id home button frees up a lot of space which can be used for the 
screen without increasing the size of the phone.
Take a look at the below dimensions of th eiPhon e8, 8 Plus and iPhone 11 Pro 
and you see what I mean, the iPhon e11 Pro has the largest screen of those 3 
models with 5.8 inches yet it is much smaller than the iPhone 8 Plus which has 
a slightly smaller screen, 5.5 inches, and it's only just a very little bit 
larger than the iPhone 8 with a 4.7 inch screen:

iPhone 8 with 4.7 inch display: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm
iPhone 8 Plus with 5.5 inch display: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5mm
iPhone 11 Pro with 5.8 inch display: 144 x 71.4 x 8.1 mm
 
The increase in size from the 8 to the 11 Pro is 5.7mm in length (less than a 
quarter inch), 4mm in width (a bit more than a one eighth inch) and 0.8mm in 
thickness.
If you were to put an iPhone 8 on top of an 11 Pro you could notice the 
slightly longer length, the width you would barely notice and yet the screen of 
the iPhone 11 Pro is more than 1 inch larger.
If Apple released a 5.4 inch iPhone with OLED screen and Face Id this fall 
which is 0.4 inches less than the iPhone 11 Pro, such a phone would most 
definitely be slightly smaller in length and width than the current iPhone 8.

Best regards,
Sieghard




the example of the iPhone 11 Pro, it is 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?



Marie
-Original Message-
From: Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you are 
stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the
4.7 in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 
2012 and 2013.

As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the 

RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Richard Turner]

I know Siri isn't always possible, but telling Siri to call XYZ's home phone, 
or work phone, etc., is much faster than littering your home screen with 
peoples contacts ... just my opinion and I'm stuck with it.  Grin.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I like the size of my iPhone 8 just fine.  When I need to upgrade my
iPhone, I might even get one of these new SE'S.  I like the fact that
it still has a home button.

On 4/20/20, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
> it's the new math! lol
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marie
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?
>
>
>
> Marie
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Logan
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you
> are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than
> the
> 4.7 in. SE...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
> virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
> wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could
> easily
> make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course
> whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is
> anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but who knows what
> they'll do in 3 or 4 years.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm
> guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20
> like the original SE phones.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
> You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> From: kitty hevener 
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>
> Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I
> currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be
> sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I
> purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting
> the thing to work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple
> accessability desk, and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
>
>
>
> First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact
> same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.
>
> The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the
> most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of
> 2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from
> 2012 and 2013.
>
> As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus
> and the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the
> iPhone
> 5S which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades
> including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more.
> This means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the
> way from 2013 to 2018 or 6 years.
>
> The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9
> preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one
> version less than the 5S.
>
> My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not
> upgrade
> to this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM
> and from the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that
> much of a difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps
> open
> faster, the app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves
> how
> many seconds a day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it.
> Anybody
> who still has an iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want
> to see what Apple comes up with this fall. I 

RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you put focus on your Favourites tab in the Phone app this is where you land 
each time you open the phone app and this way you can access all your 
Favourites with just a single double tap.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Dave Mitchel]

it's the new math! lol

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?



Marie
-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you
are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the
4.7 in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button
wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily
make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course
whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is
anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but who knows what
they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20
like the original SE phones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I
purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting
the thing to work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple
accessability desk, and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from
2012 and 2013.

As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus
and the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone
5S which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more.
This means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the
way from 2013 to 2018 or 6 years.

The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one
version less than the 5S.

My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade
to this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM
and from the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that
much of a difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open
faster, the app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how
many seconds a day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody
who still has an iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want
to see what Apple comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face
Id and 5G support, but unless there are some other compelling aspects I will
probably wait until the fall of 2021.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
Robin
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



No one 

Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Dave]

How can a 5.4 inch phone, be smaller than a 4.7 inch?

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 3:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you 
are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the 
4.7 in. SE...



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button 
wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily 
make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course 
whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is 
anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but who knows what 
they'll do in 3 or 4 years.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 
like the original SE phones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I 
purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting 
the thing to work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple 
accessability desk, and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.


The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 
2012 and 2013.


As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus 
and the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone 
5S which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more. 
This means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the 
way from 2013 to 2018 or 6 years.


The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9 
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one 
version less than the 5S.


My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade 
to this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM 
and from the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that 
much of a difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open 
faster, the app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how 
many seconds a day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody 
who still has an iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want 
to see what Apple comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face 
Id and 5G support, but unless there are some other compelling aspects I will 
probably wait until the fall of 2021.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



No one Knows ForSure if Apple's iPhoneSE 1stGeneration will Be Supported  by 
its Forthcomin' iOS14 Personally, I don't Think it will Be 

Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Marie]

Okay, how can a 5.4 inch phone be smaller than a 4.7 inch phone?



Marie
-Original Message- 
From: Peter Logan

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you 
are stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the 
4.7 in. SE...



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button 
wouldn't have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily 
make such a phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course 
whether this is going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is 
anything which we'll see in the next couple of years, but who knows what 
they'll do in 3 or 4 years.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 
like the original SE phones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.

Dave.


From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I 
purchased an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting 
the thing to work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple 
accessability desk, and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.


The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 
2012 and 2013.


As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus 
and the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone 
5S which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more. 
This means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the 
way from 2013 to 2018 or 6 years.


The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9 
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one 
version less than the 5S.


My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade 
to this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM 
and from the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that 
much of a difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open 
faster, the app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how 
many seconds a day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody 
who still has an iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want 
to see what Apple comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face 
Id and 5G support, but unless there are some other compelling aspects I will 
probably wait until the fall of 2021.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning



No one Knows ForSure if Apple's iPhoneSE 1stGeneration will Be Supported  by 
its Forthcomin' iOS14 Personally, I don't Think 

RE: Strange thing - a couple of times, two-finger double tap would not allow me to answer my phone.

[Carolyn]

That is reassuring. I haven't had but one call since the restart and could 
answer it fine. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange thing - a couple of times, two-finger double tap would not 
allow me to answer my phone.

That has happened to me ever now and then. A restart cleared the issue up and 
it worked fine. It's rare, but it happens.

On 4/20/2020 9:28 AM, Carolyn wrote:
> Have any of you ever experienced that? I had to call two people back. 
> I have no idea what could cause that, but have shut phone down and 
> turned it back on. Also, I have tried to answer with single-finger 
> double tap at the bottom on Answer. I'd appreciate any help toward a 
> solution, thanks.
>

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RE: how to add contacts to home screen

[Carolyn]

If one could even short cut Favorites to the home screen, it could save a 
little bit of time. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to add contacts to home screen

Hello Dennis,

You ask an interesting question.

So, many, many years ago, say around 2008 / 2009 , when one could jailbreak an 
iPhone, there was a way to add a specific contact directly to the Home screen 
in order to more quickly call the contact.  

As far as I know, such a feature was never offered in an a commercial release 
of iOS.  Moreover, I haven’t heard of anyone jail-breaking iOS in quite a long 
time.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to add contacts to home screen

Hi, how do you add contacts to the home screen?
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Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Gordon]

iPhone cells have been struggling for a couple of years now. Entering a 
low cost phone into the mix will help them sell tuns of these things. 
Especially when their budget offering is better than anything on the 
market and offers longer software support than any Android phone out 
there. You could buy an iPhone SE2020 and still have it in five years.

On 4/20/2020 9:34 AM, Peter Logan wrote:

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you are 
stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the 4.7 
in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
  
Dave.
  
  
From: kitty hevener 

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
  


Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

  


First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 
and 2013.

As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus and 
the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone 5S 
which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more. This 
means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the way from 
2013 to 2018 or 6 years.

The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9 
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one 
version less than the 5S.

My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade to 
this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM and from 
the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that much of a 
difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open faster, the 
app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how many seconds a 
day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody who still has an 
iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want to see what Apple 
comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face Id and 5G support, but 
unless there are some other compelling aspects I will probably wait until the 
fall of 2021.

  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Peter Logan]

The rumored 5.4 inch phone rumored for this fall will be exactly what you are 
stating ..  If the rumors are true it will be  slightly smaller than the 4.7 
in. SE...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
 

Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

 

First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 
and 2013.

As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus and 
the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone 5S 
which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more. This 
means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the way from 
2013 to 2018 or 6 years.

The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9 
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one 
version less than the 5S.

My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade to 
this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM and from 
the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that much of a 
difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open faster, the 
app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how many seconds a 
day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody who still has an 
iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want to see what Apple 
comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face Id and 5G support, but 
unless there are some other compelling aspects I will probably wait until the 
fall of 2021.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

 

No one Knows ForSure if Apple's iPhoneSE 1stGeneration will Be Supported  by 
its Forthcomin' iOS14 Personally, I don't Think it will Be Supported

But with All of the Perceived Bugs & Flaws AssociatedWith Apple's iOS13, Apple 
may Support   the 1stGeneration SE
At 01:49 PM 4/17/2020, you wrote:

Richrd, thanks.   Wonder how long will be able to use 

Re: Strange thing - a couple of times, two-finger double tap would not allow me to answer my phone.

[Gordon]

That has happened to me ever now and then. A restart cleared the issue 
up and it worked fine. It's rare, but it happens.


On 4/20/2020 9:28 AM, Carolyn wrote:

Have any of you ever experienced that? I had to call two
people back. I have no idea what could cause that, but have
shut phone down and turned it back on. Also, I have tried to
answer with single-finger double tap at the bottom on
Answer. I'd appreciate any help toward a solution, thanks.



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RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

[Carolyn]

They need to keep being innovative in order to keep selling. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

If Apple ever decided to make a 4.7 inch phone with an OLED screen and 
virtually no screen bezel as well as Face Id so that the home button wouldn't 
have to take up space at the bottom of the screen they could easily make such a 
phone in the size of an old 5S or the original SE. Of course whether this is 
going to happen is anybody's guess, don't think it is anything which we'll see 
in the next couple of years, but who knows what they'll do in 3 or 4 years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

Definitely, I don't think there'll ever be a phone that small again. I'm 
guessing that the new ones have 24 icons on the original home page, not 20 like 
the original SE phones. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE this morning

You may find, any new phones after the new SE, will be bigger.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning
 

Thanks, I could not recall or find the size of the original se, the phone I 
currently have.  Since I don’t like the larger phones, I will definitely be 
sticking with what I have as long as I can.  You might recall that I purchased 
an se with more space not that long ago.  It was a mess getting the thing to 
work, but persistence, help from folks on this list, apple accessability desk, 
and geniuses at the apple bar, I succeeded.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

 

First of all, Kitty, the new iPhone SE which was just released is the exact 
same size/format of the iPhon e 8 and that is equal to a 4.7 inch screen.

The original iPhone SE which was released in the spring of 2016 had for the 
most part the internals of the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 
2015, but it was actually a 4 inch phone like the old iPhone 5 and 5S from 2012 
and 2013.

As for iOS 14, I think it’s entirely possible that the iPhone 6S, 6S Plus and 
the original SE still get this year’s iOS release. After all, the iPhone 5S 
which was released in 2013 with iOS 7 preinstalled got all the upgrades 
including iOS 12 in 2018, only last fall did it not get iOS 13 any more. This 
means after the OS it shipped with it got 5 more iOS updartes, all the way from 
2013 to 2018 or 6 years.

The iPhone 6S/6S Plus and the original SE were all released with iOS 9 
preinstalled and so far they received iOS 10, 11, 12 and 13, that is one 
version less than the 5S.

My wife and I both also have the iPhone 8 and we will definitely not upgrade to 
this new iPhone SE just for the sake of going from 2 Gb to 3 Gb of RAM and from 
the A11 to the A13 processor. In real life you won’t notice that much of a 
difference and anybody who argues that on this new phone apps open faster, the 
app switcher come sup faster and so on should ask themselves how many seconds a 
day they’ll save and whether that is really worth it. Anybody who still has an 
iPhone 6 or even a 5S should probably upgrade, but I want to see what Apple 
comes up with this fall. I really want a phone with Face Id and 5G support, but 
unless there are some other compelling aspects I will probably wait until the 
fall of 2021.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Ordered a new SE this morning

 

No one Knows ForSure if Apple's iPhoneSE 1stGeneration will Be Supported  by 
its Forthcomin' iOS14 Personally, I don't Think it will Be Supported

But with All of the Perceived Bugs & Flaws AssociatedWith Apple's iOS13, Apple 
may Support   the 1stGeneration SE
At 01:49 PM 4/17/2020, you wrote:

Richrd, thanks.   Wonder how long will be able to use my current se. 
 I hope at least another year or two.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 4:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Ordered a new SE 

Strange thing - a couple of times, two-finger double tap would not allow me to answer my phone.

[Carolyn]

Have any of you ever experienced that? I had to call two
people back. I have no idea what could cause that, but have
shut phone down and turned it back on. Also, I have tried to
answer with single-finger double tap at the bottom on
Answer. I'd appreciate any help toward a solution, thanks. 

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Re: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[John Panarese]

   As far as I am aware, they should be available to you. I have a lot of 
different texttones and ringtones I’ve either purchased or collected, and they 
are available as sound options for mail. You might have to look around on the 
screen as I believe they might be organized by Apple defaults and 
purchased/collected. I’ll try to take a look if you continue to have problems 
locating them.

Take Care

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> 
> Hi,
> I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering if 
> I can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and ringtone. 
>  If so how would I do this since when I go into the different tones you can 
> change under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I purchased.
> Jen
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RE: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[Richard Turner]

I've never purchased any ringtones, but the custom tones I've made are 
available for all of those alerts.
Sometimes you have to navigate by headings to get to the ringtones section, 
since that is where they will be stored, but I would think they would be 
available for text tones and emails, calendars alerts, etc.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just 
for text tone and ringtone

Hi,
I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering if I 
can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and ringtone.  If 
so how would I do this since when I go into the different tones you can change 
under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I purchased.
Jen

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Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Marco Chan]

Does the Zoom meeting mentioned here open for new participant?

Marco

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> On 20 Apr 2020, at 4:13 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Or just try hitting delete.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 2:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
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> remember during the stimulus discussion, Larry pointed out several times that 
> the thread had been closed. Richard’s message below, as well as my message 
> here, is best sent directly to the moderator. IMHO, people who take on the 
> role of the moderator can potentially cause many more list problems then a 
> mistake or an off topic post. I personally find Mark rather inconsistent with 
> his list moderation, but he is the list moderator and he can moderate this 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:08 AM
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> Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m
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> It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you 
> are right.
> However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead 
> of what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide 
> open with the Zoom chat.
> Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
> checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
> Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
> with iPhones.
>  
> 
> Richard
>  
> (Sent from my iPhone SE)
> C
>  
>  
> 
> On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> this message doesn’t have to do with anything!
> 
> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as I 
> would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
> memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is 
> not best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not 
> even Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for 
> me neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff I 
> know from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in lower 
> school. Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't 
> changed. What I know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight 
> forward which is no fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate some 
> amount of straight forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I didn't 
> know Charlie quite as well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly of 
> Charlie. This might sound like small beans of sort, and trivial, though it's 
> happened more than once, that Charlie would have some sort of sarcastic, 
> somewhat making a joke of messages written to the list. It didn't just happen 
> with some messages I wrote, it happened with messages  from some other nyi 
> friends on the list. So I'm not the only person that noticed his comments and 
> don't like it no better than I do, though some of them are still on the list. 
> And God Bless those friends that being on the list keeps them there and 
> communicating with everyone even though, actually Charlie's never posted that 
> much as long as he's been on the list. I've had my full of these wisecracking 
> comments to me, and some others, and it means even more when it happens to 
> you, it's real to you. So the pattern is when he had his wisecracking, so 
> clever comment to something I wrote, Charlie making his comment was the big 
> brother, the gang leader of sorts. Then Jeff would come along with his 
> message saying he agreed with Charlie, and one or 2 times Don who I don't 
> know in person make some stupid comment. This happened with Charlie and jeff 
> way to many times for me with charlie's wisecracking message and Jeff 
> following that he agrees. It truly is fine if neither one of them think well 
> of me, or even anyone else on the list, but the list isn't the place for this 
> kind of communication to make it plain that 1 or 2 individuals don't think 
> well of some others on the list. It's just going to drive 

Can I use purchased ringtones from the iTunes Store for email or just for text tone and ringtone

[Jen .]

Hi,
I purchased a few ringtones yesterday from the iTunes Store and wondering if I 
can use them for new mail notification etc. or just text tone and ringtone.  If 
so how would I do this since when I go into the different tones you can change 
under email notifications I don’t see the new tones I purchased.
Jen

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leak reveals bad news for apples next flagship

[Simon A Fogarty]

I thought some might like this article.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-12-leak-reveals-bad-news-for-apples-next-flagship

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Re: to buy SE 2020 from Verizon or Apple?

[Fred Olver]

Purchased the SE over the weekend. Apple is giving back $170 toward my 
purchase, that is to say they will refund me that amount for my IPhone 8 after 
they receive it and verify it's condition. Also, had some trouble figuring out 
how to actually buy the phone with my phone and computer on the apple.com site 
so I loaded the apple store application and everything went smoothly.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: Feliciano Godoy 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: to buy SE 2020 from Verizon or Apple?


  Samething. I always buy from Verizon.  


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On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:07 AM, R Van Lant  wrote:


 
I’m ready to preorder the new SE 2020.  I can pay full price thanks to the 
stimulus check.  I’ve gotten my last two phones from Verizon, but wonder if 
there is a perk to buying from Apple directly.  The price appears the same.  
Verizon’s website says they’ll waive the activation fee if I buy online; maybe 
the same is true if I activate via Apple.  Verizon will unlock the phone after 
60 days.  Apple has helped me in the past when I locked myself out of my phone, 
even though I didn’t have Apple Care.  So, is there a reason to buy direct from 
Apple or is this just a preference thing?   



Robin – ready to retire my 6S




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RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Simon A Fogarty]

Or just try hitting delete.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 2:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

I would just like to point out that the following statement is still at the 
bottom of every message to this list:

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself

Arlene’s message was obviously sent to the wrong list. Alia’s message was just 
as pointless except that it was intentionally sent to the list. I remember 
during the stimulus discussion, Larry pointed out several times that the thread 
had been closed. Richard’s message below, as well as my message here, is best 
sent directly to the moderator. IMHO, people who take on the role of the 
moderator can potentially cause many more list problems then a mistake or an 
off topic post. I personally find Mark rather inconsistent with his list 
moderation, but he is the list moderator and he can moderate this list any way 
he wants. I can always go to one of the many other list options if I find the 
noise too high on this list.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you are 
right.
However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead of 
what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide open 
with the Zoom chat.
Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
with iPhones.

Richard

(Sent from my iPhone SE)
C



On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
this message doesn’t have to do with anything!

On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as I 
would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is not 
best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not even 
Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for me 
neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff I know 
from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in lower school. 
Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't changed. What I 
know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight forward which is no 
fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate some amount of straight 
forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I didn't know Charlie quite as 
well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly of Charlie. This might sound like 
small beans of sort, and trivial, though it's happened more than once, that 
Charlie would have some sort of sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages 
written to the list. It didn't just happen with some messages I wrote, it 
happened with messages  from some other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the 
only person that noticed his comments and don't like it no better than I do, 
though some of them are still on the list. And God Bless those friends that 
being on the list keeps them there and communicating with everyone even though, 
actually Charlie's never posted that much as long as he's been on the list. 
I've had my full of these wisecracking comments to me, and some others, and it 
means even more when it happens to you, it's real to you. So the pattern is 
when he had his wisecracking, so clever comment to something I wrote, Charlie 
making his comment was the big brother, the gang leader of sorts. Then Jeff 
would come along with his message saying he agreed with Charlie, and one or 2 
times Don who I don't know in person make some stupid comment. This happened 
with Charlie and jeff way to many times for me with charlie's wisecracking 
message and Jeff following that he agrees. It truly is fine if neither one of 
them think well of me, or even anyone else on the list, but the list isn't the 
place for this kind of communication to make it plain that 1 or 2 individuals 
don't think well of some others on the list. It's just going to drive school 
friends away, when they've had their full of it. It's to the point, I have no 
desire to visit school, which breaks my heart not to visit if I was ever back 
there, but I have no 

RE: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

[Simon A Fogarty]

I fully agree,

Zoom is an added option to technology discussions and sharing of advise / 
wisdom and just general shooting the shit so to speak.

I’ve never known mark to do anything without carefull thought to what it is and 
how it will effect the list members.

The idea of zoom meetings every once and a while,
I can’t see as a bad thing,
Infact coming up in 2 months is the wwdc conference and all going well zoom 
chats might be a great way to get a lot of folks together to discuss what is 
intended for the new OS products being released later in the year,
I don’t think the idea takes away from the list,
Infact I think it’s a great addition.

However tat’s an each to their own and if people didn’t like it then they don’t 
have to join in,
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 1:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom meeting invitation - V iPhone Group, Let’s Talk via Zoo m

Hello,

Richard, I have always found you to be a perfectly reasonable man but on this 
occasion I think you are being unfairly harsh on Mark and his suggestion of a 
Zoom meeting.

As I read it Mark was being perfectly civil in extending an opportunity for us 
all here to have a chat and perhaps to get to know each other a little and 
discuss issues in person rather than just on a list.

If I was able to I would have gladly joined the discussion and think it a good 
idea of Marks.

I know it is fashionable to have a go at Mark by some people but I for one 
appreciate what he does and think he does a good job.
Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Apr 2020, at 14:07, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 It could be Arleen was thinking she was writing directly to Dwayne; but you 
are right.
However, it seems like this list is morphing into a social chat list instead of 
what it was intended to be and the moderator kicked that door more wide open 
with the Zoom chat.
Yet, the door was slammed shut when people were talking about the stimulus 
checks, which was also nothing to do with the iPhone.
Maybe Mark needs to start a different list for chatting rather than dealing 
with iPhones.

Richard

(Sent from my iPhone SE)
C




On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:53 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
this message doesn’t have to do with anything!

On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Duane, Thank you, for the invitation to the school chat tonight. As much as I 
would love to talk to you and many of our friends, with having many good 
memories of everyone, it's something I can't do now. It's something that is not 
best for me to do now. I don't have any bitter feelings for anyone, not even 
Charlie, jeff, don and florence. joining the school list isn't best for me 
neither. I only know of Florence and Don from the list. Charlie and jeff I know 
from upper school and I also know Jeff during the time he was in lower school. 
Jeff I knew as a really fine individual, and to me that hasn't changed. What I 
know of Charlie was that he was very opiniated and straight forward which is no 
fault in a personality, and you've got to appreciate some amount of straight 
forwardness to know exactly what someone thinks. I didn't know Charlie quite as 
well as I knew jeff, but never thought poorly of Charlie. This might sound like 
small beans of sort, and trivial, though it's happened more than once, that 
Charlie would have some sort of sarcastic, somewhat making a joke of messages 
written to the list. It didn't just happen with some messages I wrote, it 
happened with messages  from some other nyi friends on the list. So I'm not the 
only person that noticed his comments and don't like it no better than I do, 
though some of them are still on the list. And God Bless those friends that 
being on the list keeps them there and communicating with everyone even though, 
actually Charlie's never posted that much as long as he's been on the list. 
I've had my full of these wisecracking comments to me, and some others, and it 
means even more when it happens to you, it's real to you. So the pattern is 
when he had his wisecracking, so clever comment to something I wrote, Charlie 
making his comment was the big brother, the gang leader of sorts. Then Jeff 
would come along with his message saying he agreed with Charlie, and one or 2 
times Don who I don't know in person make some stupid comment. This happened 
with Charlie and jeff way to many times for me with charlie's wisecracking 
message and Jeff following that he agrees. It truly is fine if neither one of 
them think well of me, or even anyone else on the list, but the list isn't the 
place for this kind of communication to make it plain that 1 or 2 individuals 
don't think well of some others on the list. It's just going to drive school 
friends away, when they've had their full of it. It's to the point, I have no 
desire to visit school, which breaks my heart not to visit if I