notifications from an app

[kimsansong797]

Hi,

I have the sound cloud app. I checked to see if notifications are turned on,
and it is.

I have it set in sound cloud to notify me when there is a like, a new
follower but I never get any notifications. Thoughts?

 

 

If you enjoy listening to HipHop and R, I invite you to follow me on sound
cloud at https://soundcloud.com/user-756551454

 

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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Slide to type does not kick in unless you hold your finger on the screen in one 
spot for 1 second. Just don't do this and it won't be a problem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

What happens, with that new slide to type keyboard, when setting up a new phone 
from scratch?

I usually set up a new phone, from an iCloud back-up. Which means i will have 
to put in my apple ID.

Will a new phone use the slide to type, from the start, or will it only kick 
in, after the phone is up and running, as it could prove difficult, because you 
can't turn it off, until you can access the settings.

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribi :
>
> ?Richard and others,
>
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
>
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to 
> talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be 
> instigated behind the seens.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
> scratch - all help appreciated
>
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
> too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
> if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
> VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any 
> lingering problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
> computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me 
> through it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> ?Eleanor,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
>> and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
>> never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over 
>> the air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted 
>> iTunes backup than to iCloud but 

Netfliks Help?

[Rebecca Degeorge]

I am using an iPhone SE, the original one, with VoiceOver and IOS 13.4, 
and am wanting to use Netfliks. I've joined on my pc, since joiing on 
the phone with the app isn't possible. But, now what ...?



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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[chaltain]

It'll use slide to type to start. If you type quickly enough, it won't be a 
problem. If you leave your finger on the keyboard too long then you can just 
double tap the delete button to erase what was inserted by slide to type and 
then you can pick up where you left off. I found it a bit tedious, coming from 
and Android phone to an iPhone, but it was doable. I suspect people just 
upgrading their iPhones will have even less problems then I did. Once you get 
into your phone you can turn off slide to type or just increase the time it 
takes before it kicks in.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch
> - all help appreciated
> 
> What happens, with that new slide to type keyboard, when setting up a new
> phone from scratch?
> 
> I usually set up a new phone, from an iCloud back-up. Which means i will have 
> to
> put in my apple ID.
> 
> Will a new phone use the slide to type, from the start, or will it only kick 
> in, after
> the phone is up and running, as it could prove difficult, because you can't 
> turn it
> off, until you can access the settings.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Lemly
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch
> - all help appreciated
> 
> Gera,
> 
> I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup
> when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing
> response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only
> ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted
> iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps
> from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
> backup
> and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch
> - all help appreciated
> 
> Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone
> transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I
> wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred
> everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without
> having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the
> essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> > El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty 
> > escribi :
> >
> > ?Richard and others,
> >
> > If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> >
> > Once you have vo switched on,
> > And your sim card in,
> > You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
> > to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to
> > talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be
> > instigated behind the seens.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Richard Turner
> > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
> > scratch - all help appreciated
> >
> > As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> > A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to
> > remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push
> > too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great
> > if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
> > Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start
> > VoiceOver.
> > The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any
> > lingering problems, they will be inherited.
> > I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my
> > computer.
> > The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like
> > passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> > I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me
> > through it.
> > Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> > But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> > I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Eleanor,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020
> >> and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to 

Audio Destination in the Rotor

[Jim Fettgather]

Hello to the list.

I have made certain that audio destination is selected in the Voiceover
rotor, 13.4.1.  .

However, it never shows up.

Not for any situation under any scenario.

So, even though I consider myself to be a pretty decent and knowledgeable
Voiceover user, I am stumped, and could use some hints.

Thanks a lot 

 

Have a great day!

 

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Muting

[Shirley Baker]

Is there a way to mute topics instead of just messages and/or threads? Other 
lists have mute topics but I don't see that on this particular list.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Setting up new iPhone SE 2020

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
I don’t know how many iPhones you have heard over the years, but I wonder if 
you would be able to comment on the sound of your new phone as against the 
sound of things like say an iPhone 8. Or an iPhone X.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> I won't bore you with all the details of today's saga, but after I turned on 
> the new phone and triple tapped the home button, VoiceOver came on and I was 
> able to continue the setup.
> When I got to the option to set it up by placing the old phone near it, I 
> decided to try that.
> I couldn't get the image focused, but there was a manual option.
> Picking that, gave me a 6 digit number to enter and I was off and running.
> Now, I have too many apps, well, less than 200; but still a lot of apps.
> I have over 12000 songs.
> Previously, when restore a backup on my computer, the music alone could take 
> several hours.
> Well, this method took less than an hour.
> Some apps were still downloading after it was complete wiht the transfer, but 
> i was able to go ahead and deal with other settings.
> I paired it with my Logitech K480 keyboard which is what I am typing this on.
> I put in the old SIM card and can call, and receive calls, etc.
> All my Email accounts were there with all the messages.
> Text messages are there.
> So, this is pretty slick.
> The phone sounds a lot better than the previous model.
> That's all for now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: Setting up new iPhone SE 2020

[Gordon]

Congratulations on your new purchase. This phone is sounding better 
every day. Please come back here in a few days and let us know how the 
battery life is on this device. I wouldn't even begin to pay attention 
to battery life until Monday as the phone does things under the hood 
during the first few days that will consume more battery than usual. But 
I'm curious to see if this phone offers better battery life compared to 
the iPhone 8.


On 4/24/2020 8:25 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Greetings,
I won't bore you with all the details of today's saga, but after I turned on 
the new phone and triple tapped the home button, VoiceOver came on and I was 
able to continue the setup.
When I got to the option to set it up by placing the old phone near it, I 
decided to try that.
I couldn't get the image focused, but there was a manual option.
Picking that, gave me a 6 digit number to enter and I was off and running.
Now, I have too many apps, well, less than 200; but still a lot of apps.
I have over 12000 songs.
Previously, when restore a backup on my computer, the music alone could take 
several hours.
Well, this method took less than an hour.
Some apps were still downloading after it was complete wiht the transfer, but i 
was able to go ahead and deal with other settings.
I paired it with my Logitech K480 keyboard which is what I am typing this on.
I put in the old SIM card and can call, and receive calls, etc.
All my Email accounts were there with all the messages.
Text messages are there.
So, this is pretty slick.
The phone sounds a lot better than the previous model.
That's all for now.




Richard



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Setting up new iPhone SE 2020

[Richard Turner]

Greetings,
I won't bore you with all the details of today's saga, but after I turned on 
the new phone and triple tapped the home button, VoiceOver came on and I was 
able to continue the setup.
When I got to the option to set it up by placing the old phone near it, I 
decided to try that.
I couldn't get the image focused, but there was a manual option.
Picking that, gave me a 6 digit number to enter and I was off and running.
Now, I have too many apps, well, less than 200; but still a lot of apps.
I have over 12000 songs.
Previously, when restore a backup on my computer, the music alone could take 
several hours.
Well, this method took less than an hour.
Some apps were still downloading after it was complete wiht the transfer, but i 
was able to go ahead and deal with other settings.
I paired it with my Logitech K480 keyboard which is what I am typing this on.
I put in the old SIM card and can call, and receive calls, etc.
All my Email accounts were there with all the messages.
Text messages are there.
So, this is pretty slick.
The phone sounds a lot better than the previous model.
That's all for now.




Richard

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RE: Update on SIM card question

[chaltain]

Not sure why I should trust someone from Verizon more than someone from AT, 
but in Googling this issue, most of the articles I found said that as long as 
your old SIM card is in good working order, you should be OK to keep using it.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update on SIM card question

 

I checked with Verizon it doesn’t matter and it shouldn’t for at either.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Update on SIM card question

 

I spoke with Xfinity since they are my carrier, and the reason to get a new SIM 
card rather than sticking with the old one, is that at least for Xfinity, they 
would not know what the new phone is because the SIM card ID would say it was 
the first generation SE since that is what I have.

They are sending me a new SIM card.  I can go ahead and use my current SIM card 
until the new one arrives and then I will replace it with the new SIM card.

I will then call them from either my wife’s phone or our landline and they will 
activate the new SIM.

 

Before anyone asks, Xfinity was not a choice when ordering the phone so I got 
the no SIM phone.

 

The moral of the story is, use the old SIM card, but check with your carrier to 
see if it matters.

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

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Re: The My Verizon app

[Robin Frost]

  
Hi,
I just wanted to add a bit more
information to the issues encountered with the broken
accessibility of the My Verizon app for the management of
account related issues.
Firstly just so others aren't taken
by surprise the "tech coach" service Anne mentioned is not just
available to all customers.  It is a subscription that customers
can subscribe to for a fee. It is also often bundled with other
subscription services such as protection plans for devices on an
account. I just wanted to mention that so people wouldn't be
wondering why they either hadn't heard of it or couldn't use it
if they tried without being subscribed to it.
I also wanted to alert people to the
fact that managing add-ons to various lines is not only
inaccessible in the app but also on the Verizon wireless website
in any browser under Windows with both JFW and NVDA. If you have
more than one line to manage the on screen element pertaining to
each line speaks the account owner's name but not the phone
number associated therein that identifies the line. This is
displayed visually on screen which was verified for me through
an Aira agent who helped me accomplish my given task that
wouldn't have been manageable for me as a blind person any other
way.
I have communicated clearly the
issues surrounding this inaccessibility to Verizon via phone and
via their customer service support channel via twitter 
  
@VZWSupport
and I also tweeted at Verizon's
North American CEO and chairman 
  
who can be found on Twitter 
  
@@hansvestberg
Here's hoping that making them aware
of this situation will hasten a remedy as the amount of account
related tasks impacted is ever increasing especially if one is
needing to add new devices and manage them.
Take good care.
Robin


On 4/21/2020 10:18 AM, Robin Frost
  wrote:


  
  Hi,
  Well I might be throwing a wrench
  into your theory I have no shared users just me with two
  devices does that count as shared users? And I have a friend
  who has two users on her plan and she didn't get the new
  version or the appearance thereof of the new version of the
  app till yesterday? So maybe a staggered roll out for content
  if not versions of the app? It's hard to know the latter
  because now no one can get VoiceOver to read version number in
  the about section of settings if you can even get there.
  I'm glad you found someone so
  willing to help.
  How did you get in touch with
  these tech people?
  Take good care.
  Robin
  
  
  On 4/21/2020 10:11 AM, Anne West
wrote:
  
  



  Right on Robin! Thanks for your comments.
There is another issue with the My Verizon app.
   
  Last night, Diane and I enlisted a friend
to test his app. It was as before which we didn’t
understand. We are thinking that those of us who have shared
plans have the new format and people who are individuals
have the former app. I have 7 people and Diane had 3 people
on her plan.
   
  The rep I talked to yesterday was very
interested in the app issues and he escalated it. We shall
see!
   
  

  Anne
   
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 18:24
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The My Verizon app

  
   
  Hi
  Anne and all,
  I
  posted about this situation last week and i"m glad that
  you joined me in reporting this issue. As to others
  reporting no problems with it perhaps this is explained by
  the fact that not all sections of the app have been
  equally impacted. It appears to me that the up rewards
  area and the billing area are still fine but what is now
  the combined manage devices and plans area which used to
  be separated manage plans and devices by itself are now
  combined and are unreadable or nearly so with voiceover in
  play. The settings area of the app is another hard hit
  area.
  I
  also mentioned that last week a friend of mine who is also
  a Verizon customer seems as though she's viewing a
  completely different version of the app as even the
  sections of the app are appearing differently. For

Spotify app for Phone & Desktop

[Vicki W.]

Hi,

Does anyone use the Spotify app for the desktop? If so, is there a way to 
download the podcast on to the computer or is there a way to save it to the PC 
if using the IPhone App?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Dave]

-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated


What happens, with that new slide to type keyboard, when setting up a new
phone from scratch?

I usually set up a new phone, from an iCloud back-up. Which means i will
have to put in my apple ID.

Will a new phone use the slide to type, from the start, or will it only kick
in, after the phone is up and running, as it could prove difficult, because
you can't turn it off, until you can access the settings.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Lemly

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
scratch - all help appreciated

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup
when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
scratch - all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without
having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the
essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
escribi :


?Richard and others,

If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,

Once you have vo switched on,
And your sim card in,
You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to 
talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be 
instigated behind the seens.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
scratch - all help appreciated

As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
VoiceOver.
The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any 
lingering problems, they will be inherited.
I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
computer.
The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me 
through it.

Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
I'll be calling my carrier to double check.




Richard



On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

?Eleanor,



I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
questions.




My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
below for other steps you need to do before this.




I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over 
the air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted 
iTunes backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. 
Since your Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud 
backup before setting up your new SE. To do so:




1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.


2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.

RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Alan Lemly]

Thanks. I poked around but must have missed it.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

It was updated October, 2019. 

It said that near the author's name.

 

 

 

Richard

 





On Apr 24, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 

Richard,

 

Thanks for the article link about differences between iTunes encrypted backups 
and iCloud backups. The article was good but I wish I could have found a date 
indicating when it was written or last updated. I would think anyone publishing 
anything to the internet would realize the importance of dating their work 
especially where technology is concerned.

 

I've decided my approach when I receive my SE 2020. I'm going to turn it on 
without transferring my SIM card from my iPhone 8, turn Voiceover on, answer 
any questions about Apple ID, language, etc., and then restore from my iTunes 
encrypted backup which I will have done before unboxing the new SE. I'll also 
have my iCloud backup which I'll also do before opening the new phone in case 
it is needed. I have a push pin and SIM card removal tool at hand and expect to 
use the push pin when it's time to transfer the SIM from my iPhone 8 to the SE 
2020. I'll do my best to keep a record of my experience which I'll post to the 
list when done.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Hi Mike and others,

This article may help:

 

https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/
 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Hi Alan,

 

Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through 
my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed opinions 
on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would like 
to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones.  Thanks much.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Lemly   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM

Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribi :
> 
> ?Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close 
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other 

Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Fred Olver]

You will also receive instructions with your new IPhone to assist you in 
setting up your new phone.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: "Simon A Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:59 AM
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated



Turn it on,

Press the home button three times quickly and listen to the voiceover voices 
in your head!


-Original Message-
From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 1:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - 
all help appreciated


Hi all

After any advice/help from people on this list with this situation. I’ve 
ordered a new IPhone SE, and have just had confirmation of its despatch. So 
have some questions re setting it up which I’m hoping people might be able 
to assist with.


Firstly, I know this sounds somewhat daft, but if anyone could e-mail me 
some idiot-proof instructions on how to set it up from scratch, including on 
how to get Voiceover started from the word go I’d be really grateful 
please?. I’m far more nervous about doing it than normal, probably because I 
know all the shops are closed, and sighted friends who would normally be 
able to assist me can’t do so at the moment due to the lockdown. So any 
step-by-step guide much appreciated.


Secondly, is it better to set the phone up over the air?, or is it better to 
set it up through my Mac? I ask this because my Mac is currently away being 
fixed/serviced. So I just wondered whether it would make any difference 
which way I did it?, and if so whether I should wait for my Mac to return 
before attempting set-up?


Finally, can anyone send me some step-by-step idiots instructions on how to 
swap my SIM card over from my currrent IPhone 8 to the new SE?? I’ve never 
done this before, and again, in normal times I’d happily get sighted help 
with this, but obviously I can’t do that right now. So any help appreciated.


My apologies for all the questions, but I really don’t want to make a mess 
of this/muck it up completely/ruin the new phone/etc. So many thanks in 
advance for any help/advice that anyone can give me.


Eleanor

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Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Richard Turner]

It was updated October, 2019.
It said that near the author's name.




Richard


On Apr 24, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Richard,

Thanks for the article link about differences between iTunes encrypted backups 
and iCloud backups. The article was good but I wish I could have found a date 
indicating when it was written or last updated. I would think anyone publishing 
anything to the internet would realize the importance of dating their work 
especially where technology is concerned.

I've decided my approach when I receive my SE 2020. I'm going to turn it on 
without transferring my SIM card from my iPhone 8, turn Voiceover on, answer 
any questions about Apple ID, language, etc., and then restore from my iTunes 
encrypted backup which I will have done before unboxing the new SE. I'll also 
have my iCloud backup which I'll also do before opening the new phone in case 
it is needed. I have a push pin and SIM card removal tool at hand and expect to 
use the push pin when it's time to transfer the SIM from my iPhone 8 to the SE 
2020. I'll do my best to keep a record of my experience which I'll post to the 
list when done.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Hi Mike and others,
This article may help:

https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/




Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Hi Alan,

Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through 
my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed opinions 
on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would like 
to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribi :
>
> ?Richard and others,
>
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
>
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> behind the seens.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> 

Re: Update on SIM card question

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
That is interesting. with Verizon  the device is automatically detected via sim 
if there is a device change.

Feliciano
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On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


I spoke with Xfinity since they are my carrier, and the reason to get a new SIM 
card rather than sticking with the old one, is that at least for Xfinity, they 
would not know what the new phone is because the SIM card ID would say it was 
the first generation SE since that is what I have.
They are sending me a new SIM card.  I can go ahead and use my current SIM card 
until the new one arrives and then I will replace it with the new SIM card.
I will then call them from either my wife’s phone or our landline and they will 
activate the new SIM.

Before anyone asks, Xfinity was not a choice when ordering the phone so I got 
the no SIM phone.

The moral of the story is, use the old SIM card, but check with your carrier to 
see if it matters.


Richard
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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Alan Lemly]

Richard,

 

Thanks for the article link about differences between iTunes encrypted backups 
and iCloud backups. The article was good but I wish I could have found a date 
indicating when it was written or last updated. I would think anyone publishing 
anything to the internet would realize the importance of dating their work 
especially where technology is concerned.

 

I've decided my approach when I receive my SE 2020. I'm going to turn it on 
without transferring my SIM card from my iPhone 8, turn Voiceover on, answer 
any questions about Apple ID, language, etc., and then restore from my iTunes 
encrypted backup which I will have done before unboxing the new SE. I'll also 
have my iCloud backup which I'll also do before opening the new phone in case 
it is needed. I have a push pin and SIM card removal tool at hand and expect to 
use the push pin when it's time to transfer the SIM from my iPhone 8 to the SE 
2020. I'll do my best to keep a record of my experience which I'll post to the 
list when done.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Hi Mike and others,

This article may help:

 

https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Hi Alan,

 

Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through 
my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed opinions 
on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would like 
to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones.  Thanks much.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Lemly   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM

Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

 

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribi :
> 
> ?Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close 
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> behind the seens.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting 

Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Arlene]

That's the best idea using your itunes backup to set up your new se 2020.
- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Lemly" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated



Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup 
when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated


Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without 
having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the 
essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
escribi :


?Richard and others,

If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,

Once you have vo switched on,
And your sim card in,
You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to 
talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be 
instigated behind the seens.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
scratch - all help appreciated

As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
VoiceOver.
The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any 
lingering problems, they will be inherited.
I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
computer.
The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me 
through it.

Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
I'll be calling my carrier to double check.




Richard



On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

?Eleanor,



I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
questions.




My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
below for other steps you need to do before this.




I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over 
the air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted 
iTunes backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. 
Since your Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud 
backup before setting up your new SE. To do so:




1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.


2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.

3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
double tap.


4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in 
the list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button 
and double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a 
few minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the 
latest backup when it's done.




I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't 

RE: Update on SIM card question

[Dennis Long]

I checked with Verizon it doesn’t matter and it shouldn’t for at either.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update on SIM card question

 

I spoke with Xfinity since they are my carrier, and the reason to get a new SIM 
card rather than sticking with the old one, is that at least for Xfinity, they 
would not know what the new phone is because the SIM card ID would say it was 
the first generation SE since that is what I have.

They are sending me a new SIM card.  I can go ahead and use my current SIM card 
until the new one arrives and then I will replace it with the new SIM card.

I will then call them from either my wife’s phone or our landline and they will 
activate the new SIM.

 

Before anyone asks, Xfinity was not a choice when ordering the phone so I got 
the no SIM phone.

 

The moral of the story is, use the old SIM card, but check with your carrier to 
see if it matters.

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

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Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Anthony Vece]

Good article.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 11!! Pro!

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mike and others,
> This article may help:
>  
> https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
> Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through 
> my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed opinions 
> on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would 
> like to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones.  Thanks 
> much.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet.
> - Original Message -
> From: Alan Lemly
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM
> Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
>  
> Gera,
> 
> I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
> upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
> response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
> ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
> iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
> from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
> backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
> transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
> wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
> everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without 
> having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the 
> essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> > El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> > escribi :
> > 
> > ?Richard and others,
> > 
> > If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> > 
> > Once you have vo switched on,
> > And your sim card in,
> > You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close 
> > to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> > to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> > behind the seens.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> > Richard Turner
> > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> > scratch - all help appreciated
> > 
> > As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> > A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> > remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
> > too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
> > if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
> > Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
> > VoiceOver.
> > The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> > problems, they will be inherited.
> > I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
> > computer.
> > The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> > passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> > I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> > it.
> > Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> > But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> > I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ?Eleanor,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
> >> and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
> >> never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
> >> questions.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> My understanding is that when you power on 

RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mike and others,
This article may help:

https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/




Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Hi Alan,

Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through 
my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed opinions 
on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would like 
to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribi :
>
> ?Richard and others,
>
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
>
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> behind the seens.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
> scratch - all help appreciated
>
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly 
>> mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Eleanor,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for 

Update on SIM card question

[Richard Turner]

I spoke with Xfinity since they are my carrier, and the reason to get a new SIM 
card rather than sticking with the old one, is that at least for Xfinity, they 
would not know what the new phone is because the SIM card ID would say it was 
the first generation SE since that is what I have.
They are sending me a new SIM card.  I can go ahead and use my current SIM card 
until the new one arrives and then I will replace it with the new SIM card.
I will then call them from either my wife's phone or our landline and they will 
activate the new SIM.

Before anyone asks, Xfinity was not a choice when ordering the phone so I got 
the no SIM phone.

The moral of the story is, use the old SIM card, but check with your carrier to 
see if it matters.


Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


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Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Mike B.]

Hi Alan,

Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up 
through my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes?  I've read mixed 
opinions on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways 
I would like to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 
iPhones.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated


Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup 
when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without 
having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the 
essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribi :
>
> ?Richard and others,
>
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
>
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to 
> talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be 
> instigated behind the seens.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
> scratch - all help appreciated
>
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
> too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
> if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
> VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any 
> lingering problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
> computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me 
> through it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> ?Eleanor,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
>> and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
>> never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over 
>> the air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted 
>> iTunes backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. 
>> Since your Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud 
>> backup before setting up your new SE. To do so:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>>
>> 2.  Swipe to 

The game Galactic Colonies

[Wren Langley]

Hi all, and thank you in advance for the help.

I can’t get the factories to work, and I was wondering how to do it. when I got 
my factory, I built a warehouse and selected construction materials for my 
product. Then I connected the factory to the warehouse. That didn’t seem to 
work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

[Alan Lemly]

Mike,

 

I know you've probably already tried everything related to your issue but I 
thought the Apple Support article I'm pasting after my signature had some good 
comments about iOS and keyboards. It came from this website:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202178

 

Alan Lemly

 

 

About the keyboards settings on your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch

 

Learn how to use the built-in keyboards on your device in every app. You can 
switch between keyboards, select one-handed typing, use third-party keyboards, 
and more.

 

Change your keyboard settings

 

You can change the settings of the built-in keyboard on your device or add 
languages. This also changes the dictionary used for auto-correction, the 
number of letters on the keyboard, and the arrangement of the keys. The 
language of the keyboard also determines the language of the dictionary used 
for predictive text.

 

To adjust your keyboard settings:

 

Open an app that uses the keyboard, like Messages or Mail.

Touch and hold  or .

Tap Keyboard Settings.

Then customize your settings.

 

Add or delete a third-party keyboard app

 

You can install third-party keyboard apps just like you install other apps on 
your device. After you install a new keyboard, you need to add it before you 
can use it. Follow these steps:

 

Go to the App Store and find the keyboard app that you want.

Tap Get, then follow the prompts to install.

Enter your Apple ID password, or use Face ID or Touch ID if it's available 
on your device.

Then add the new keyboard. Go to Settings > General > Keyboard > Keyboards 
> Add a New Keyboard and select the app that you installed. You might need to 
set the keyboard to allow full access in order to use it.

 

To delete a third-party keyboard:

 

Go to Settings > General, tap Keyboard, then tap Keyboards.

Tap Edit. 

Tap , then tap Done. 

 

You can also delete a keyboard by deleting the companion app that you installed 
from the App Store. This also removes the keyboard from Settings.

 

Switch to another keyboard

 

While you're using an app, you can switch to a different keyboard, like a 
third-party keyboard or a language keyboard. Follow these steps:

 

Touch and hold  or .

Select the keyboard you want to use. 

 

To arrange the order of your keyboards:

 

Go to Settings > General > Keyboard and tap Keyboards.

Tap Edit.

Touch and hold three horizontal lines  to move the keyboard.

Tap Done.

 

Sometimes, third-party keyboards aren't available for one of these reasons:

 

If the developer of the app you’re using doesn’t allow third-party 
keyboards.

If you type in a secure text field, like a password entry that shows typed 
characters as dots instead of letters and numbers.

If you use a number pad instead of a standard keyboard.

 

Instead, you’ll see the default keyboard until you finish typing.

 

Turn on one-handed typing

 

Use one-handed typing on your iPhone to make it easier to type with one hand. 
Here's how:

 

Touch and hold  or .

Tap keyboard icon to move the keyboard to the left. Tap keyboard icon to 
move the keyboard to the right.

When you're done, touch and hold  or . Then tap keyboard icon to bring your 
keyboard back to its usual setting.

 

You can also turn on one-handed typing from Settings > General > Keyboards and 
tap One Handed Keyboard. You need an iPhone 6 or later to use the one-handed 
keyboard. This feature excludes iPhone SE and iPod touch.

 

If you have an iPhone 6 or later, the one-handed keyboard doesn't work if you 
have your display set to Zoomed instead of Standard. If you have an iPhone 6 
Plus or later, the one-handed keyboard will work if your display is set to 
Zoomed or Standard. To adjust your display settings, go to Settings > Display & 
Brightness > Display Zoom.

 

Change the layout of your physical keyboard

 

You can choose between multiple keyboard layouts to match the keys on your 
physical keyboard. You can also use an alternative keyboard layout that doesn't 
match the keys on your physical keyboard.

 

Before you can change your physical keyboard, you need to pair it with your 
iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch. Follow the instructions that came with your 
keyboard to place it in discovery or pair mode. After you pair it, go to 
Settings > General > Hardware Keyboard, then select a layout.

 

Learn how to set up and use a Bluetooth accessory — like a keyboard — with your 
device.

 

Information about products not manufactured by Apple, or independent websites 
not controlled or tested by Apple, is provided without recommendation or 
endorsement. Apple assumes no responsibility with regard to the selection, 
performance, or use of third-party websites or products. Apple makes no 
representations regarding third-party website accuracy or reliability. Contact 
the vendor for additional information.

Published Date: September 19, 2019

 

From: 

Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Dave]

What happens, with that new slide to type keyboard, when setting up a new 
phone from scratch?


I usually set up a new phone, from an iCloud back-up. Which means i will 
have to put in my apple ID.


Will a new phone use the slide to type, from the start, or will it only kick 
in, after the phone is up and running, as it could prove difficult, because 
you can't turn it off, until you can access the settings.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Lemly

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated


Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup 
when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
scratch - all help appreciated


Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without 
having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the 
essence then, in usin the phone to phone method?


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
escribi :


?Richard and others,

If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,

Once you have vo switched on,
And your sim card in,
You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close
to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to 
talk to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be 
instigated behind the seens.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from
scratch - all help appreciated

As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push 
too hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great 
if the sim removal tool is not in the box.
Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start 
VoiceOver.
The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any 
lingering problems, they will be inherited.
I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my 
computer.
The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me 
through it.

Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
I'll be calling my carrier to double check.




Richard



On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

?Eleanor,



I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 
and will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've 
never transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
questions.




My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
below for other steps you need to do before this.




I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over 
the air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted 
iTunes backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. 
Since your Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud 
backup before setting up your new SE. To do so:




1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.


2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.

3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
double tap.


4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in 
the list on the screen that 

Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

[Mike B.]

No I don't.  I did several troubleshooting steps recommended by Apple 
yesterday and still no go on landscape view for the keyboard.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard


Mike,

I just had a thought.  Do you have a extra large font set?

I just use the standard font and know that in some cases, larger fonts 
changes VO behavior.







Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B.
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard



I just tried typing a text message and the orientation doesn't change, which 
is okay.  We'll see how the new SE's respond when y'all get them.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:58 AM

Subject: RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard



I was in Email when I tested it and I’m running iOS 13.4.1, so that may be 
the difference.

Of course, there seems to always be some app outliers that don’t widen when 
landscaped.

Not sure why that is.







Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B.
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard



>From what I understand the old SE didn't widen in all apps, only in certain 
ones.  But, all ican say is either our phones are weird, or there's 
something wrong with them because at last check they didn't widen and 
orientation was unlocked.  I haven't checked since probably around iOS 10, 
so hopefully or maybe updates have changed this.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:04 AM

Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard



Mike,

I just unlocked orientation on my old SE, and the keyboard widen in 
landscape just like all iPhones.

I usually keep the orientation locked, but after testing, I think you had 
misinformation.

I should be able to confirm on the new SE after it arrives tomorrow.

Later,

ichard





  On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:56 AM, Mike B.  wrote:

  

  Hi All,



  On the old SE iphone the keyboard would stay the same whether you had the 
phone in landscape or portrait mode.  Can anyone tell me if this new SE will 
widen the keyboard when switching from portrait to landscape mode like other 
iPhone models?  Thanks much.


  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
   *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I 
pee it cleans the toilet.

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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Alan Lemly]

Gera,

I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when 
upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing 
response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only 
ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted 
iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps 
from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a 
backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribi :
> 
> ?Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close 
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> behind the seens.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> ?Eleanor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
>> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes 
>> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your 
>> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before 
>> setting up your new SE. To do so:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>> 
>> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
>> 
>> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
>> double tap.
>> 
>> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
>> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
>> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
>> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
>> backup when it's done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
>> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you 
>> can have too many backups.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've 

Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Arnold Schmidt]

When transfering between two phones, is it all or nothing, or can one transfer 
specific data,  such as mail? Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:

When doing this, you have to make sure that Bluetooth on both devices is on, 
and, at least initially, you have to position the back camera of your new phone 
just so in relation to the front of the old phone so that the process gets 
started. This at least was my experience last time with iPods. You can do a 
screen share with Apple accessibility to help you.

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:19 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close to your 
> new phone,
> And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk to each other and a 
> copy of the data from old to new will be instigated behind the seens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Eleanor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
>> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes 
>> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your 
>> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before 
>> setting up your new SE. To do so:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>> 
>> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
>> 
>> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
>> double tap.
>> 
>> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
>> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
>> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
>> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
>> backup when it's done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
>> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you 
>> can have too many backups.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones 
>> came with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan 
>> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM card. In portrait mode with your 
>> iPhone 8's power button near the top right edge, the SIM  release hole will 
>> be in the very middle of that right edge below the power button. You will 
>> need a SIM card removal tool or a push pin or an unfolded paper clip to have 
>> something to insert slowly into the SIM removal hole in order to release its 
>> tray. I personally think a push pin like I used to use on a cork bulletin 
>> board works the best because it is easier to hold onto and apply any needed 

Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Kathy Brandt]

When doing this, you have to make sure that Bluetooth on both devices is on, 
and, at least initially, you have to position the back camera of your new phone 
just so in relation to the front of the old phone so that the process gets 
started. This at least was my experience last time with iPods. You can do a 
screen share with Apple accessibility to help you.

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:19 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close to your 
> new phone,
> And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk to each other and a 
> copy of the data from old to new will be instigated behind the seens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Eleanor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
>> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes 
>> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your 
>> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before 
>> setting up your new SE. To do so:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>> 
>> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
>> 
>> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
>> double tap.
>> 
>> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
>> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
>> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
>> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
>> backup when it's done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
>> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you 
>> can have too many backups.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones 
>> came with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan 
>> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM card. In portrait mode with your 
>> iPhone 8's power button near the top right edge, the SIM  release hole will 
>> be in the very middle of that right edge below the power button. You will 
>> need a SIM card removal tool or a push pin or an unfolded paper clip to have 
>> something to insert slowly into the SIM removal hole in order to release its 
>> tray. I personally think a push pin like I used to use on a cork bulletin 
>> board works the best because it is easier to hold onto and apply any needed 
>> pressure. If you have such a thing, I would recommend doing the SIM removal 
>> over a tray with raised edges to provide something to catch the SIM to be 
>> removed should it decide to leap out. This is really all the practical 
>> 

RE: What is why fy asist.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is probably what SIRI inserted when somebody dictated "WiFi Assist", it is a 
setting under Cellular which, if turned on which I believe it is by default, 
will use cellular data if WiFi connectivity is poor.


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Subject: What is why fy asist.

What is why fy asist.and how does it work.

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RE: Getting a Recent caller into Contacts.

[Carolyn]

That information is helpful. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Getting a Recent caller into Contacts.

If I start out from the Recent Call list, I don't get first an option to Add 
Contact where then I have to pick add new or add to existing.
After I swipe down to "More Info", I usually touch the bottom left of the 
screen where I find the "Favourites" tab, then I swipe left from there and I 
have the following options (this is going backwards i.e. swiping left):

Block this caller
Share my location
Add to emergency contacts
Add to existing contact
Create new contact
Share contact

Obviously if the number is not in my contacts I will double tap on Create new 
contact and I can then fill in first name, last name, company and any other 
fields I want and save it.

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Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:52 PM
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I just did that moments ago

After you double tap on Add to contacts, there are options for create new 
contact, or add to existing contact.
You need to pick one of those before moving on.

Richard
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Subject: Getting a Recent caller into Contacts.

I had two calls today that I tried to put in Contacts. 

I flicked down and got More Information, then flicked left to add to Contacts. 
When I doubletapped, I got Contacts, Section Index and Contact list, but no 
place to add. I just had to do from scratch, go back to recents, and it gave 
the caller name, so I would know I had it in correct. 

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RE: Getting a Recent caller into Contacts.

[Carolyn]

The next time I get a call, even that I don't want, and it's not in my 
Contacts, I am going to try to make sure I can do it. Then, I always can delete 
the contact, if it is one I don't want. 

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PRAMIT BHARGAVA
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:51 PM
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Hi Carolyn,

Once you get to "Add to contact" make sure that afterwards select Create a new 
contact, not an existing one.

Pramit

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 2:00 AM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:


I had two calls today that I tried to put in Contacts. 

I flicked down and got More Information, then flicked left
to add to Contacts. When I doubletapped, I got Contacts,
Section Index and Contact list, but no place to add. I just
had to do from scratch, go back to recents, and it gave the
caller name, so I would know I had it in correct. 

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RE: What is why fy asist.

[Richard Turner]

WIFI Assist switches your phone to cellular if your WIFI signal is weak.
If you have unlimited data it may not impact you.
If you have a limited amount of data, if WIFI Assist is on, you could be using 
up cellular data and not realize it.
The setting is in Settings, Cellular, almost the last section in that setting.



Richard
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What is why fy asist.and how does it work.

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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Transferring from one phone to another often does work very well, but just keep 
in mind that just holding the phones close is not enough, you will have to scan 
a code which I believe is displayed on your old phone and you have to scan it 
with the camera on the new phone. It could be the other way around, don't 
remember, but it will tell you exactly what to do.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

Exactly what I’m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn’t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What’s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close 
> to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk 
> to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated 
> behind the seens.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Eleanor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
>> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes 
>> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your 
>> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before 
>> setting up your new SE. To do so:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>> 
>> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
>> 
>> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
>> double tap.
>> 
>> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
>> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
>> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
>> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
>> backup when it's done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
>> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you 
>> can have too many backups.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones 
>> came with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan 
>> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM 

What is why fy asist.

['adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

What is why fy asist.and how does it work.

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RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Mike,
I just had a thought.  Do you have a extra large font set?
I just use the standard font and know that in some cases, larger fonts changes 
VO behavior.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

I just tried typing a text message and the orientation doesn't change, which is 
okay.  We'll see how the new SE's respond when y'all get them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

I was in Email when I tested it and I’m running iOS 13.4.1, so that may be the 
difference.
Of course, there seems to always be some app outliers that don’t widen when 
landscaped.
Not sure why that is.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

>From what I understand the old SE didn't widen in all apps, only in certain 
>ones.  But, all ican say is either our phones are weird, or there's something 
>wrong with them because at last check they didn't widen and orientation was 
>unlocked.  I haven't checked since probably around iOS 10, so hopefully or 
>maybe updates have changed this.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
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From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

Mike,
I just unlocked orientation on my old SE, and the keyboard widen in landscape 
just like all iPhones.
I usually keep the orientation locked, but after testing, I think you had 
misinformation.
I should be able to confirm on the new SE after it arrives tomorrow.
Later,
ichard


On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:56 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

On the old SE iphone the keyboard would stay the same whether you had the phone 
in landscape or portrait mode.  Can anyone tell me if this new SE will widen 
the keyboard when switching from portrait to landscape mode like other iPhone 
models?  Thanks much.

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Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Gerardo Corripio]

Exactly what I’m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone 
transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I 
wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn’t it have transferred 
everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having 
me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What’s the essence then, 
in usin the phone to phone method?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

> El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> Richard and others,
> 
> If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,
> 
> Once you have vo switched on,
> And your sim card in,
> You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close to your 
> new phone,
> And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk to each other and a 
> copy of the data from old to new will be instigated behind the seens. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from 
> scratch - all help appreciated
> 
> As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
> A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
> remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
> hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
> sim removal tool is not in the box.
> Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
> The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
> problems, they will be inherited.
> I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
> The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like 
> passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details.
> I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through 
> it.
> Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
> But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
> I'll be calling my carrier to double check.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Eleanor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
>> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
>> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
>> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
>> below for other steps you need to do before this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
>> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
>> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my 
>> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes 
>> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your 
>> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before 
>> setting up your new SE. To do so:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, 
>> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
>> 
>> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
>> 
>> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
>> double tap.
>> 
>> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
>> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
>> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
>> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
>> backup when it's done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
>> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you 
>> can have too many backups.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones 
>> came with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan 
>> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM card. In portrait mode with your 
>> iPhone 8's power button near the top right edge, the SIM  release hole will 
>> be in the very middle of that right edge below the power button. You will 
>> need a SIM card removal tool or a push pin or an unfolded paper clip to have 
>> something to insert slowly into the SIM removal hole in order to release its 
>> tray. I personally think a push pin like I used to use on a cork bulletin 
>> board works the best because it is easier to hold onto and apply any needed 
>> pressure. If you have such a thing, I would recommend doing the SIM removal 
>> over a tray with raised edges to provide 

RE: Compared: Magic Keyboard versus Smart Keyboard Folio, Apple Insider

[Simon A Fogarty]

Thanks Mark,

Again a good article.

 It's a shame that over here in nz the 11" magic keyboard is $550 nz$

Not sure I need one at this point that much.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Compared: Magic Keyboard versus Smart Keyboard Folio, Apple Insider

Compared: Magic Keyboard versus Smart Keyboard Folio
By: Andrew O'Hara
Apple Insider
Thursday, April 23, 2020

Apple now sells two choices for iPad Pro keyboards. AppleInsider compares the 
Smart Keyboard Folio to the new Magic Keyboard to see how they stack up and 
which one is worth it for the price.

As it stands, iPad Pro users have two official options when it comes to 
Apple-branded keyboard cases. Users could use any of Apple's Bluetooth 
keyboards, but the Magic Keyboard and the Smart Keyboard Folio are the only two 
available just for iPad.

Each of these supports the same models. There is both a Magic Keyboard as well 
as a Smart Keyboard Folio for both the 12.9-inch and 11-inch iPad Pros from 
2018 and 2020.

On the surface, it appears the primary differentiator is the inclusion or lack 
of a trackpad. But actual differences go far beyond that with a huge array of 
functional, design, and cost differences. 

Smart Keyboard Folio
Apple's Smart Keyboard has been around for several years now. Debuting with the 
original 2015 iPad Pro before being redesigned as the Smart Keyboard Folio in 
2018 with the redesigned iPad Pros. The redesign wasn't well-received and for 
the past year and a half users have been exploring other options.

But the Smart Keyboard Folio isn't without its merits. Between the two, the 
Smart Keyboard Folio is far lighter than the Magic Keyboard, lending itself 
better to travel when you want to keep your weight down as much as possible.

The Smart Keyboard Folio also has the benefit of being almost entirely 
water-resistant. Apple makes these keyboards from a woven fabric that is 
stiffened around the keycaps. Because of this, no liquid is capable of getting 
into the keyboard itself, and the same goes for dust or other small debris.

There are two viewing angles on the Smart Keyboard Folio, a more vertical one 
for watch media and a more inclined angle for productivity. It connects via the 
Smart Connector and has minimal draw on your iPad's battery life.

Magic Keyboard
Apple's Magic Keyboard has much more going for it. It too uses the Smart 
Connector but has a full scissor-switch mechanism-based keyboard and a glass 
trackpad. This does eat up a bit more battery life, but not by all that much.

Using a scissor-switch mechanism for the keyboard is a big change. It isn't 
water-resistant like the Smart Keyboard Folio, but it is far more responsive 
for typing. The fabric keys have a "click" to them but it is very soft and can 
even become "stuck" even when they aren't being pressed. 

Magic Keyboard is also backlit. It adjusts automatically based on the ambient 
lighting in the room but can be manually adjusted from settings.

Overall, the Magic Keyboard is far nicer and more reliable.

Magic Keyboard arrow keys versus Smart Keyboard Folio One small, but critical 
detail, is the arrow keys. On the Smart Keyboard Folio, Apple has a compact 
design to the arrow keys but are a bit harder to identify. Apple reverted back 
to the inverted "T" design with the 16-inch MacBook Pro and they changed it on 
the Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro as well.

By choosing the Magic Keyboard, you are also adding a second USB-C port to your 
iPad Pro as well. This is great for charging the iPad and leaving the port on 
the side of the tablet free for other accessories.

While the Magic Keyboard is heftier, it is due to metal plates within the 
keyboard itself. This makes it much more rigid and easier to move about. If you 
pick up the Smart Keyboard Folio by just they keyboard, it bends and warps 
while the Magic Keyboard stays firm.

Trackpad support on the iPad Pro through the Magic Keyboard Trackpads are newly 
supported within iPadOS as part of the 13.4 update. It makes a huge difference 
if dealing with editing text, spreadsheets, and even video work. You can always 
use an external Bluetooth mouse, but having it integrated right into the 
trackpad it is much more convenient.

Key features of the Smart Keyboard Folion versus the Magic Keyboard Magic 
Keyboard, Smart Keyboard Folio.
Connectivity
Smart Connector, Smart Connector.
Key Type:
Scissor switch mechanism, Woven fabric.
Function Keys:
None, None.
Backlit:
Yes, No.
Arrow Keys:
Inverted "T" design, Block design.
TrackPad:
Yes, N/A.

Should you buy the Smart Keyboard Folio or Magic Keyboard?
The decision between the two is mainly down to if you need the trackpad or if 
you want to spend the lofty price Apple asks for the Magic Keyboard. If you 
don't want to spend the money, the Smart Keyboard Folio is a great, durable 
keyboard that uses the Smart Connector and 

RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard and others,

If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier,

Once you have vo switched on,
 And your sim card in,
 You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close to your 
new phone,
 And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk to each other and a 
copy of the data from old to new will be instigated behind the seens. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch 
- all help appreciated

As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct.
A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to 
remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too 
hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the 
sim removal tool is not in the box.
Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver.
The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering 
problems, they will be inherited.
I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer.
The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like passwords 
are supposed to be included along with email account details.
I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through it.
Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own.
But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think.
I'll be calling my carrier to double check.




Richard


> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Eleanor,
> 
> 
> 
> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and 
> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never 
> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your questions.
> 
> 
> 
> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be 
> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see 
> below for other steps you need to do before this.
> 
> 
> 
> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing 
> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the 
> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my opinion. 
> In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes backup 
> than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your Mac is not 
> available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before setting up your 
> new SE. To do so:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.  From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, double 
> tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store.
> 
> 2.  Swipe to iCloud and double tap.
> 
> 3.  Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and 
> double tap.
> 
> 4.  Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the 
> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and 
> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few 
> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest 
> backup when it's done.
> 
> 
> 
> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted 
> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you can 
> have too many backups.
> 
> 
> 
> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones came 
> with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan 
> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM card. In portrait mode with your 
> iPhone 8's power button near the top right edge, the SIM  release hole will 
> be in the very middle of that right edge below the power button. You will 
> need a SIM card removal tool or a push pin or an unfolded paper clip to have 
> something to insert slowly into the SIM removal hole in order to release its 
> tray. I personally think a push pin like I used to use on a cork bulletin 
> board works the best because it is easier to hold onto and apply any needed 
> pressure. If you have such a thing, I would recommend doing the SIM removal 
> over a tray with raised edges to provide something to catch the SIM to be 
> removed should it decide to leap out. This is really all the practical advice 
> I can give since I've never replaced a SIM myself. My understanding is that 
> they only go in one way and I believe one of their corners may be notched to 
> provide for this one way only insertion but I expect others will be able to 
> offer much more detailed advice.
> 
> 
> 
> Since I only set up new iPhones every couple of years, I don't remember 
> exactly what Voiceover will say when setting up your new SE but I believe it 
> offers you the choice of setting it up as a new device or from restoring a 
> backup. I always restore from a backup. Also, I'm not 

RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

[Simon A Fogarty]

To my knowledge the keyboard has always extended when in landscape mode and 
that I thought was on all iPhones and some what iPads as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

I was in Email when I tested it and I’m running iOS 13.4.1, so that may be the 
difference.
Of course, there seems to always be some app outliers that don’t widen when 
landscaped.
Not sure why that is.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

>From what I understand the old SE didn't widen in all apps, only in certain 
>ones.  But, all ican say is either our phones are weird, or there's something 
>wrong with them because at last check they didn't widen and orientation was 
>unlocked.  I haven't checked since probably around iOS 10, so hopefully or 
>maybe updates have changed this.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

Mike,
I just unlocked orientation on my old SE, and the keyboard widen in landscape 
just like all iPhones.
I usually keep the orientation locked, but after testing, I think you had 
misinformation.
I should be able to confirm on the new SE after it arrives tomorrow.
Later,
ichard


On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:56 AM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

On the old SE iphone the keyboard would stay the same whether you had the phone 
in landscape or portrait mode.  Can anyone tell me if this new SE will widen 
the keyboard when switching from portrait to landscape mode like other iPhone 
models?  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated

[Simon A Fogarty]

Turn it on,

Press the home button three times quickly and listen to the voiceover voices in 
your head!

-Original Message-
From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 1:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - 
all help appreciated

Hi all 

After any advice/help from people on this list with this situation. I’ve 
ordered a new IPhone SE, and have just had confirmation of its despatch. So 
have some questions re setting it up which I’m hoping people might be able to 
assist with. 

Firstly, I know this sounds somewhat daft, but if anyone could e-mail me some 
idiot-proof instructions on how to set it up from scratch, including on how to 
get Voiceover started from the word go I’d be really grateful please?. I’m far 
more nervous about doing it than normal, probably because I know all the shops 
are closed, and sighted friends who would normally be able to assist me can’t 
do so at the moment due to the lockdown. So any step-by-step guide much 
appreciated. 

Secondly, is it better to set the phone up over the air?, or is it better to 
set it up through my Mac? I ask this because my Mac is currently away being 
fixed/serviced. So I just wondered whether it would make any difference which 
way I did it?, and if so whether I should wait for my Mac to return before 
attempting set-up? 

Finally, can anyone send me some step-by-step idiots instructions on how to 
swap my SIM card over from my currrent IPhone 8 to the new SE?? I’ve never done 
this before, and again, in normal times I’d happily get sighted help with this, 
but obviously I can’t do that right now. So any help appreciated. 

My apologies for all the questions, but I really don’t want to make a mess of 
this/muck it up completely/ruin the new phone/etc. So many thanks in advance 
for any help/advice that anyone can give me. 

Eleanor 

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RE: New SE iPhone Keyboard

[Simon A Fogarty]

Um, Richard, or is that ichard,

Have you changed your name? lol.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 1:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New SE iPhone Keyboard

Mike,
I just unlocked orientation on my old SE, and the keyboard widen in landscape 
just like all iPhones.
I usually keep the orientation locked, but after testing, I think you had 
misinformation.
I should be able to confirm on the new SE after it arrives tomorrow.
Later,
ichard



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mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

On the old SE iphone the keyboard would stay the same whether you had the phone 
in landscape or portrait mode.  Can anyone tell me if this new SE will widen 
the keyboard when switching from portrait to landscape mode like other iPhone 
models?  Thanks much.

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