RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then I think you may not have heard a Sonos system yet and while there a few 
limitations, you can set up a Sonos One or some of th eother newer speakers 
either as an Alexa or Google Home speaker. One limitation is that you can't use 
features like  Drop-In which you can do between actual Echo speakers.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jim 
Fettgather
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 5:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

Nothing compares to the actual audio produced by the Homepod, nothing.
Except maybe for the Amazon Studio Speaker.
The Amazon devices certainly have a few more skills, no doubt about it, but 
Homepod sounds fantastic, far better than most Amazon devices.
Just an opinion.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

hi, Alan, I totally agree with you. The echo has a tremendous sound. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

On Jul 25, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Janet,

I thought Apple's digital assistant is Siri. I would strongly recommend you 
stick with the Amazon Echo rather than investing in a Home Pod running Siri. 
All of these devices and systems have issues from time to time but my opinion 
is that the Amazon Echo is the best of the lot.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

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Bell 
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Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo

please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet
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Re: Problem With Auto Lock

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I've got auto lock turned off on my iPhone.  I like to decide myself
when I want to lock my iPhone.

On 7/25/20, Donald ball  wrote:
>      If you buy the phone and you get it in just press tripple home and
> you are in God's hands.
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> On 7/25/2020 7:19 PM, 'cwc' via VIPhone wrote:
>>
>> I am having a problem with my screen not locking when the phone is not
>> in use. When I sit the phone down, it usually will lock the screen
>> after a short period. I have had it set at
>>
>>  1 minute with uncertain results.
>>
>> It has been a problem for some time. Now it is getting worse
>>
>> I have been reluctant to move to the SE 20/20 because the store that I
>> normally would  purchase any phone from  is not available. I am
>> considering ordering the phone and winging it, but I am not
>> comfortable with that idea yet.
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>> iPhone 5SE
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Re: Problem With Auto Lock

[Donald ball]

    If you buy the phone and you get it in just press tripple home and 
you are in God's hands.


On 7/25/2020 7:19 PM, 'cwc' via VIPhone wrote:


I am having a problem with my screen not locking when the phone is not 
in use. When I sit the phone down, it usually will lock the screen 
after a short period. I have had it set at


 1 minute with uncertain results.

It has been a problem for some time. Now it is getting worse

I have been reluctant to move to the SE 20/20 because the store that I 
normally would  purchase any phone from  is not available. I am 
considering ordering the phone and winging it, but I am not 
comfortable with that idea yet.


iPhone 5SE

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RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Simon A Fogarty]

I don’t really think you can compare the home pod to an echo as they are for 
different purposes,

More of a comparison would be the home pod and the sonos products which are 
meant for music / media playing.
And now with the new sonos products having alexa built in thye do compare more 
to apple home pods.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Logan
Sent: Sunday, 26 July 2020 2:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more things 
that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games .. etc., 
there are a ton of skills for the Echo.

So, as most things ..”it depends” ..



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please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet
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RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Jim Fettgather]

Nothing compares to the actual audio produced by the Homepod, nothing.

Except maybe for the Amazon Studio Speaker.

The Amazon devices certainly have a few more skills, no doubt about it, but 
Homepod sounds fantastic, far better than most Amazon devices.

Just an opinion.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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hi, Alan, I totally agree with you. The echo has a tremendous sound. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!





On Jul 25, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 

Janet,

 

I thought Apple's digital assistant is Siri. I would strongly recommend you 
stick with the Amazon Echo rather than investing in a Home Pod running Siri. 
All of these devices and systems have issues from time to time but my opinion 
is that the Amazon Echo is the best of the lot.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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  _  


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Bell 
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please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Esther]

hi, Alan, I totally agree with you. The echo has a tremendous sound. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Janet,
> 
> I thought Apple's digital assistant is Siri. I would strongly recommend you 
> stick with the Amazon Echo rather than investing in a Home Pod running Siri. 
> All of these devices and systems have issues from time to time but my opinion 
> is that the Amazon Echo is the best of the lot.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Janet 
> Bell 
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:53:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo
>  
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> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
> changing.  Janet
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Re: Problem With Auto Lock

[Richard Turner]

This is not a solution to the autolock, but why not just press the power button 
when you set it down?
You may want to make sure all the background activities are off, the app 
switcher is clear, and reboot the phone.
Or, call Apple Accessibility and ask them to do a screen share with diagnostics.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 25, 2020, at 4:19 PM, 'cwc' via VIPhone  wrote:


I am having a problem with my screen not locking when the phone is not in use. 
When I sit the phone down, it usually will lock the screen after a short 
period. I have had it set at
 1 minute with uncertain results.

It has been a problem for some time. Now it is getting worse

I have been reluctant to move to the SE 20/20 because the store that I normally 
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phone and winging it, but I am not comfortable with that idea yet.
iPhone 5SE
Using OS 13.6

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RE: Problem With Auto Lock

[Carolyn]

Why don't you just lock it? I never just sit mine down, have lock set on 30 
seconds. The Apple guy suggested 5 minutes, which is OK, but right now I have 
mine on 30 second, battery saver. Still, whenever I put it down, I lock it. 

-Original Message-
From: 'cwc' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:19 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Problem With Auto Lock

I am having a problem with my screen not locking when the phone is not in use. 
When I sit the phone down, it usually will lock the screen after a short 
period. I have had it set at  

 1 minute with uncertain results. 

 

It has been a problem for some time. Now it is getting worse

 

I have been reluctant to move to the SE 20/20 because the store that I normally 
would  purchase any phone from  is not available. I am considering ordering the 
phone and winging it, but I am not comfortable with that idea yet. 

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Problem With Auto Lock

['cwc' via VIPhone]

I am having a problem with my screen not locking when the phone is not in 
use. When I sit the phone down, it usually will lock the screen after a 
short period. I have had it set at  

 1 minute with uncertain results. 

 

It has been a problem for some time. Now it is getting worse

 

I have been reluctant to move to the SE 20/20 because the store that I 
normally would  purchase any phone from  is not available. I am considering 
ordering the phone and winging it, but I am not comfortable with that idea 
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iPhone 5SE

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Re: people you may know entries in facebook

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

I only use the Facebook app. Hopefully my instructions will somehow lead you to 
where you need to be, if you use the Facebook website..
1. Launch Facebook
2. Tap on Facebook Menu (lower left)
3. From the top, swipe down to Top Shortcuts & tap to expand the list of items
4. Swipe down to Friends & tap to open
5. Swipe down past any unconfirmed or undeclined friend request. Below Friend 
Request is a list of People You May Know

Hope this is helpful.

Donna


> 
> 
> I frequently get these among my other posts by my friends.  I can't figure 
> out how to look at the people listed in these entries though.  Do any of you 
> know how to do this?
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Re: Copying a text message into an email

[Holly]

Richard:

Thanks.  I thought that when I double tapped on ‘copy’, I would hear something 
like 'copied to clipboard, but didn’t so wasn’t sure it was copied.

Anyway, that worked.

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RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Carolyn]

I have a friend who has an Echo Show, and it reads boxes of crackers, stuff 
like that for her. Also, some way or other, I think she can order on Amazon and 
maybe from Wal-Mart with the thing. 

-Original Message-
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Shirley Baker
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

I like the echo better than Siri. She consistently answers my questions 
correctly and doesn't send me to the web as much as Siri does.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:





I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods 
and love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing 
my Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think 
they have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more 
things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games 
.. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.

 

So, as most things ..”it depends” ..

 

 

 

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Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo

 

please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is 
any good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is 
worth changing.  Janet

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RE: Playing music on the iPhone: unable to access anything in the for you tab

[Richard Turner]

Alan,
That must explain why I don’t have a for you tab.
I turned off apple music so it doesn’t offer it.
I’m pretty sure that is an Apple music tab.

If those who are having issues have Apple Music, it is time to call Apple 
Accessibility.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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Lemly
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Playing music on the iPhone: unable to access anything in the for 
you tab

When I open the Music app on my iPhone SE 2020 and select the For you tab, I'm 
presented with a button to try Apple Music and get three months free. I have no 
intention of signing up for Apple Music but am curious whether those of you who 
are unable to get anything to play from this tab have an Apple Music 
subscription. If not, this might be the issue.

Alan Lemly

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you tab

Yes, that’s happening to me, too.

On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Kimberly 
mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I’m wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior in the music app on the 
iPhone. When i access the for you tab, I can’t play any of the suggested music. 
If i double tap any of the suggested selections, instead of playing that song 
or album or artist the browse tab open to a completely different page not 
relevant to the selection I’ve chosen. Can anyone confirm this? This is not a 
very new problem, but I don’t believe I ever had it before iOS 13.

Thanks
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RE: Copying a text message into an email

[Richard Turner]

Go to your email and paste it by turning to edit, flicking up or down to paste 
and double tap.
It didn’t give me any confirmation that it was copied so I just went and tried 
pasting and there it was.




Richard
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Richard:

Yes, I do have ‘action’, but when I double tap on ‘copy’, nothing happens.  
What do I have to do next?
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RE: Playing music on the iPhone: unable to access anything in the for you tab

[Alan Lemly]

When I open the Music app on my iPhone SE 2020 and select the For you tab, I'm 
presented with a button to try Apple Music and get three months free. I have no 
intention of signing up for Apple Music but am curious whether those of you who 
are unable to get anything to play from this tab have an Apple Music 
subscription. If not, this might be the issue.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Tom Lange
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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you tab

 

Yes, that’s happening to me, too.





On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Kimberly  wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior in the music app on the 
iPhone. When i access the for you tab, I can’t play any of the suggested music. 
If i double tap any of the suggested selections, instead of playing that song 
or album or artist the browse tab open to a completely different page not 
relevant to the selection I’ve chosen. Can anyone confirm this? This is not a 
very new problem, but I don’t believe I ever had it before iOS 13.

 

Thanks

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Re: Copying a text message into an email

[Holly]

Richard:

Yes, I do have ‘action’, but when I double tap on ‘copy’, nothing happens.  
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Re: Copying a text message into an email

[Richard Turner]

Do you have actions on the rotor?
If so, try flicking up or down to copy and double tap.
Then paste it into an email.




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On Jul 25, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Holly  wrote:

Hi guys:

Remember last week I was trying to send a text message to a email address, but 
it would not go through.  It was suggested that I copy and paste the text into 
an email, but I didn't try that until today.

I opened the text and turned the rotor to 'text selection', but that option did 
not show up.

I do have 'text selection' selected in my rotor, so not sure why it won't show 
up inside the text.

It does show up when I type message into the body of an email, but not when I 
am inside a text message.

Any ideas?
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Re: Playing music on the iPhone: unable to access anything in the for you tab

[Tom Lange]

Yes, that’s happening to me, too.

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior in the music app on the 
> iPhone. When i access the for you tab, I can’t play any of the suggested 
> music. If i double tap any of the suggested selections, instead of playing 
> that song or album or artist the browse tab open to a completely different 
> page not relevant to the selection I’ve chosen. Can anyone confirm this? This 
> is not a very new problem, but I don’t believe I ever had it before iOS 13.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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Copying a text message into an email

[Holly]

Hi guys:

Remember last week I was trying to send a text message to a email address, 
but it would not go through.  It was suggested that I copy and paste the 
text into an email, but I didn't try that until today.


I opened the text and turned the rotor to 'text selection', but that option 
did not show up.


I do have 'text selection' selected in my rotor, so not sure why it won't 
show up inside the text.


It does show up when I type message into the body of an email, but not when 
I am inside a text message.


Any ideas? 


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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Shirley Baker]

I like the echo better than Siri. She consistently answers my questions 
correctly and doesn't send me to the web as much as Siri does.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
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> 
> I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
> love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
> Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
> have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more 
> things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games 
> .. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.
>  
> So, as most things ..”it depends” ..
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Bell
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>  
> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
> changing.  Janet
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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Mike Arrigo]

I think the best one is a toss up between Amazon Echo and Google Home, I have 
both, but both have far more features than the Home Pod, the sound quality may 
be better on the home pod but for me having the most features is most important.

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that 
> the sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo. I 
> primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability to 
> answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and more 
> accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about three 
> years after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
> Otten 
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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>  
> I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
> the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
> playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
> the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
>> love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing 
>> my Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think 
>> they have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot 
>> more things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. 
>> games .. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.
>>  
>> So, as most things ..”it depends” ..
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
>> Bell
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo
>>  
>> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
>> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
>> changing.  Janet
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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Mike Arrigo]

I have an echo and mine is working great. I have never used the Apple home pod 
which is Apple's answer to the smart speaker, but every review that I have read 
about it says that it does not have nearly as man features as the Amazon Echo 
or Google Home, also, you can play Apple music on your amazon echo. I have an 
Echo and a Google home and I have no interest in getting the Apple Home pod.

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
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> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
> changing.  Janet
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people you may know entries in facebook

[Dan]

  
  
I frequently get these among my other posts by my friends.  I
can't figure out how to look at the people listed in these
entries though.  Do any of you know how to do this?

  
thanks.

  


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RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Alan Lemly]

Again, it depends on the type of questions you're asking. I have access to 
Alexa, Siri, and a Google Home and find that Alexa consistently answers the 
type of questions I'm asking. But like all things, these digital assistants 
have a learning curve and I've no doubt gotten better at phrasing my questions 
with Alexa who I use most often. She seems much more adept at specifying 
calendar dates when asked for the third Tuesday of a particular month for 
example. And if I'm remembering the price of the Home Pods correctly, I suspect 
a couple of them cost you between $600 and $700 which is not insignificant and 
a lot more than my four Echo devices.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

 

I have really given up on the echo for answering most questions. Google is 
better in my opinion. And my Google mini only cost me 20 bucks. I wouldn’t 
listen to Sirius music on it. But for questions, and other voice only 
listening, it’s fine. Most people in the tech press got it all wrong when it 
came to HomePod. They said it was just another smart speaker and it fell short 
with regard to Alexa and Google.. But that was never apples point. They all 
have their uses.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

 

Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that the 
sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo. I 
primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability to 
answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and more 
accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about three years 
after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook   for iOS

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo 

 

I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:

 

I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more things 
that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games .. etc., 
there are a ton of skills for the Echo.

 

So, as most things ..”it depends” ..

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo

 

please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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Re: adjusting touch sensitivity

[Richard Turner]

I think what you are looking for is under Settings, Accessibility, Touch, Touch 
accommodations.
If you turn that on, you will find several options that you can experiment with 
to see if they help.
I've not used any of them, but they might help if you are finding things not 
responding the way you expect.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:31 AM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  
wrote:

 I agree with Vicky.

Lyne

Le 23 juill. 2020 à 23:14, Holly  a écrit :


Vicky:

I just got a SE 2020 about three months ago.  I don’t know if there is a 
setting for touch sensitivity, but I was amazed on how responsive my new SE was 
out of the box.

It is much more responsive than my iPhone 7 was.

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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Dave]

Also, the amazon echo. Now has HQ music. and you can add external speakers, if 
you wish.

Dave.


From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that the 
sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo. I 
primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability to 
answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and more 
accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about three years 
after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo 

I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.



Sent from my iPhone


  On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:


   
  I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more things 
that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games .. etc., 
there are a ton of skills for the Echo.



  So, as most things ..”it depends” ..







  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo



  please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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RE: Moving icons.

[chaltain]

Well, I don't know how this feature will work or whether it will be automatic 
or not. I'm guessing it'll leave your home pages alone, but you'll have the 
option of installing an app without having an icon show up on any home pages. 
For apps that you don't place on your home page, you'll be able to bring up an 
app drawer where you can get to any apps on your device. I assume you'll also 
be able to go in and remove apps from your home pages, so they won't be 
cluttering up your home pages but you'll still be able to get to them through 
the app drawer.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> 
> Since you told me that with 14, our most used ones will be on Page two, I am
> going into my preferred ones every day, just so that whenever that time comes,
> it can happen. Will it be automatic, or will I have to do something?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 1:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> 
> And that's what makes us all different,
> 
>  Everyone does things in different ways, If we didn't we'd be robots  
> Majority of
> my apps are as default,
> 
>  I have office products in a folder and system utils for windows in another to
> keep things out of the way,
> 
> It's all about making things easy and interesting.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2020 3:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving icons.
> 
> I don't really see the point of moving app icons around.  I know what pages
> certain apps are on.  I know that I have to swipe to get to certain apps.  My 
> apps
> aren't in alphabetical order.  I didn't know they were arranged that way.
> Carolyn, I am glad that you are able to move the apps.  It is always cool when
> any of us learns something new with our iPhones.
> 
> On 7/24/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > I agree that it can be fun, and what you say about the challenges.
> > Actually, the more we do stuff like this, the more we can.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:16 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> >
> > Yeah but it's fun,
> >
> > And easy enough to fix if you drop things in the wrong place,
> >
> > Lets face it
> > Lifes full of challenges and this is just a minor one to get over.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Carolyn
> > Sent: Friday, 24 July 2020 6:13 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> >
> > It did, gave me a chance to name it something else, but I did not want that.
> > It's really tricky to move them, isn't it?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:16 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> >
> > If you have a  productivity folder then you have dropped an app on
> > another app to make the folder,
> >
> > The productivity folder should say how many items are inside it as well.
> >
> >  As for facetime
> > It's if you want to make a call to someone that isn't in your contacts
> > and need to open the app first,
> >
> > Why have messages app when you can send a message to someone from the
> > contact in your contacts app, Same goes for email.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Carolyn
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2020 7:33 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Moving icons.
> >
> > When I do that, it makes where I move, and the one moved into a folder
> > called Productivity.
> >
> > I just updated to 13.6. I don't know if it would do any better now,
> > but it does really annoy the snot out of me, whenever I come to my
> > Home Page, and it says Face Time. Why would there even be an icon for
> > that, when it is in contact choices.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Holly
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:13 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Moving icons.
> >
> > Carolyne:
> >
> > When you are in 'edit' mode and voice over says drag, just flick right
> > or left until you find the icon you want to move.  Then you can move
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Playing music on the iPhone: unable to access anything in the for you tab

[Kimberly]

Hi all,

I’m wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior in the music app on the 
iPhone. When i access the for you tab, I can’t play any of the suggested music. 
If i double tap any of the suggested selections, instead of playing that song 
or album or artist the browse tab open to a completely different page not 
relevant to the selection I’ve chosen. Can anyone confirm this? This is not a 
very new problem, but I don’t believe I ever had it before iOS 13.

Thanks

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.

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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Mary Otten]

I have really given up on the echo for answering most questions. Google is 
better in my opinion. And my Google mini only cost me 20 bucks. I wouldn’t 
listen to Sirius music on it. But for questions, and other voice only 
listening, it’s fine. Most people in the tech press got it all wrong when it 
came to HomePod. They said it was just another smart speaker and it fell short 
with regard to Alexa and Google.. But that was never apples point. They all 
have their uses.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that 
> the sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo. I 
> primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability to 
> answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and more 
> accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about three 
> years after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
> Otten 
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo
>  
> I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
> the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
> playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
> the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
>> love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing 
>> my Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think 
>> they have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot 
>> more things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. 
>> games .. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.
>>  
>> So, as most things ..”it depends” ..
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
>> Bell
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo
>>  
>> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
>> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
>> changing.  Janet
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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Another option is the google home which I own.  My mom got it for me
as a gift.  I like it because I can listen to music from youtube which
you can't do with the echo.  I also use mine to answer questions, as
well as help me get the correct spelling of words when I'm composing
email messages.  It all depends on how you are going to use your
preferred device.  Music also sounds very nice through my google home.

On 7/25/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that
> the sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo.
> I primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability
> to answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and
> more accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about
> three years after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary
> Otten 
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo
>
> I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow
> the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or
> playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff,
> the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and
> love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing
> my Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think
> they have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot
> more things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia ..
> games .. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.
>
>
>
> So, as most things ..”it depends” ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet
> Bell
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo
>
>
>
> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any
> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth
> changing.  Janet
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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Alan Lemly]

Well, considering your investment in your two Home Pods, I would agree that the 
sound quality of music, etc should greatly exceed the sound of an Echo. I 
primarily use my Echos as an online digital library and enjoy its ability to 
answer my questions accurately. I think Amazon's system works better and more 
accurately for this sort of use and considering it came along about three years 
after Siri, I expect it will just continue to excel over time.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:30:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:



I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more things 
that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games .. etc., 
there are a ton of skills for the Echo.



So, as most things ..”it depends” ..







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple's equivalent of the echo



please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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RE: Speak Screen?

[Richard Turner]

Speak screen is primarily for non-VoiceOver users in my opinion.
It allows the screen to be spoken when you do a two finger swipe down from the 
top of the screen, i.e. the status bar.
When this is on, you can then lock your phone and it will keep reading.
Some people find this useful when reading Apple eBooks.  Since if you lock your 
screen when VoiceOver is reading, it stops.

I keep it turned off for myself.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of dani 
pagador
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 8:30 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Speak Screen?

Hi, Everyone.
Every once in a while I manage, usually in YouTube, to bring Siri up while VO 
is talking, and I get two readers for the price of one. I think this is the 
Speak Screen thing, but I don't know what I do to bring it up. I think there's 
a "stop" option. Does anyone know what this is, and what it's for?

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Mary Otten]

I totally agree with Peter. I have a pair of HomePods, and they totally blow 
the echo away. But they really are music listening devices, or podcasts, or 
playing your Apple TV, like Peter said. If you’re into all that other stuff, 
the trivia games etc., then the HomePod isn’t what you want.


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> On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
> love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
> Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
> have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more 
> things that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games 
> .. etc., there are a ton of skills for the Echo.
>  
> So, as most things ..”it depends” ..
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Bell
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>  
> please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any 
> good as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
> changing.  Janet
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Speak Screen?

[dani pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
Every once in a while I manage, usually in YouTube, to bring Siri up
while VO is talking, and I get two readers for the price of one. I
think this is the Speak Screen thing, but I don't know what I do to
bring it up. I think there's a "stop" option. Does anyone know what
this is, and what it's for?

Thanks,
Dani

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RE: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Peter Logan]

I think a lot depends on how it’s going to be used.  I have 2 Home Pods and 
love them .. but I generally use them for listening to music .. or playing my 
Apple TV through them .. controlling my smart plugs and such ..  I think they 
have superior sound to the Echo .. that being said, there are a lot more things 
that work with the Echo .. and if you are into all the trivia .. games .. etc., 
there are a ton of skills for the Echo.

 

So, as most things ..”it depends” ..

 

 

 

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Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 3:54 AM
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please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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Re: apple's equivalent of the echo

[Alan Lemly]

Janet,

I thought Apple's digital assistant is Siri. I would strongly recommend you 
stick with the Amazon Echo rather than investing in a Home Pod running Siri. 
All of these devices and systems have issues from time to time but my opinion 
is that the Amazon Echo is the best of the lot.

Alan Lemly

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please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
as they are having trouble with the echo and wonder whether it is worth 
changing.  Janet

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RE: Moving icons.

[Carolyn]

Since you told me that with 14, our most used ones will be on Page two, I am 
going into my preferred ones every day, just so that whenever that time comes, 
it can happen. Will it be automatic, or will I have to do something? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Moving icons.

And that's what makes us all different,

 Everyone does things in different ways, If we didn't we'd be robots  Majority 
of my apps are as default,

 I have office products in a folder and system utils for windows in another to 
keep things out of the way,

It's all about making things easy and interesting.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2020 3:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving icons.

I don't really see the point of moving app icons around.  I know what pages 
certain apps are on.  I know that I have to swipe to get to certain apps.  My 
apps aren't in alphabetical order.  I didn't know they were arranged that way.  
Carolyn, I am glad that you are able to move the apps.  It is always cool when 
any of us learns something new with our iPhones.

On 7/24/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I agree that it can be fun, and what you say about the challenges. 
> Actually, the more we do stuff like this, the more we can.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
> Yeah but it's fun,
>
> And easy enough to fix if you drop things in the wrong place,
>
> Lets face it
> Lifes full of challenges and this is just a minor one to get over.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, 24 July 2020 6:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moving icons.
>
> It did, gave me a chance to name it something else, but I did not want that.
> It's really tricky to move them, isn't it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:16 PM
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>
> If you have a  productivity folder then you have dropped an app on 
> another app to make the folder,
>
> The productivity folder should say how many items are inside it as well.
>
>  As for facetime
> It's if you want to make a call to someone that isn't in your contacts 
> and need to open the app first,
>
> Why have messages app when you can send a message to someone from the 
> contact in your contacts app, Same goes for email.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2020 7:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moving icons.
>
> When I do that, it makes where I move, and the one moved into a folder 
> called Productivity.
>
> I just updated to 13.6. I don't know if it would do any better now, 
> but it does really annoy the snot out of me, whenever I come to my 
> Home Page, and it says Face Time. Why would there even be an icon for 
> that, when it is in contact choices.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Holly
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving icons.
>
> Carolyne:
>
> When you are in 'edit' mode and voice over says drag, just flick right 
> or left until you find the icon you want to move.  Then you can move 
> it to where you want it.
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apple's equivalent of the echo

[Janet Bell]

please would someone tell me whether apple’s equivalent of the echo is any good 
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