RE: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

[chaltain]

I'm not sure, but I played around with this a bit this afternoon, and from what 
I can tell not every widget can be placed on a home page. I ended up just 
treating these as two separate tasks. What I mean is I went into edit mode on 
my home page and then I used the button at the top to select the widgets I 
wanted on my first home page. Once I got the widgets I wanted, I then went to 
the page before the first home page and removed the widgets I no longer needed 
on that page. The widgets I ended up selecting were of the small variety, and 
it looks like they take up a two by two grid on the home page. I ended up just 
settling on three widgets, so I still had space for my most frequently used 
apps. I'm thinking that this plus the use of the apps library will make for a 
pretty efficient arrangement.

Note that the stacked widgets are interesting. They're like six widgets in one. 
You can edit them to delete widgets you don't want on the stack and rearrange 
the ones that are left. You can then use the context menu to cycle through the 
widgets on the stack.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:59 PM
> To: iPhone List 
> Subject: Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?
> 
> Hope you guys can make sense of what I?m trying to do: On what I’ll call Page > 0
> (what used to be Page1 before iOS14), I’ve several widgets (TuneIn Radio,
> Google News), that I want to somehow drag from Page0 to Page 2, but these
> don’t move! I try flicking up or down, but no actions rotor. Can’t these 
> widgets
> not be moved? Because hwen I go to Add Widgets on Page2, from within the
> editing area in which one can move icons around, the widgets that I?m wanting
> to move from Page0 to Page2, don’t appear within the Widgets list!
> What’s going on then? Thanks for info.
> 
> Gera
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Re: Speakers

[Marty Hutchings]

Andy,  Do you know that there is an equalizer on your iPhone that will let 
you choose from various presets.  It is in Settings/Music.  My favorite EQ 
setting is the R&B setting.  This should help you get the best out of your 
Bose speaker.




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-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as
low as $20 or less, and I've got my Bose revolve plus that is about
$250.  Once you give your price range, I can better assist you.  There
are some great speakers at all price points.

On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my 
Iphone

and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would
like
to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble
and
bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not
too
big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like 
to

listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have 
the

various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Mike B]

I've tried the shutdown and restart 3 times, I've switched WiFi networks 4 
times, 2G / 5G, I cleaned the phone with Magic Cleaner, which is akin to 
CCleaner for PC's, and I'm beginning to think that this phone doesn't want 
to FRICKIN update!  LOL  LOL

We're having fire problems in the area, 4 fires within60 miles, and we could 
very well be having intermittent internet problems that I'm not picking up 
on my desktop PC's, but just enough to screw with WIFI.  I'm going to turn 
the automatic download and install options on and check in the morning to 
see what happens.  Thank you all for your input.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Gerardo Corripio
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


Try turning the phone off, waiting between 3-5 minutes, and turn it on 
again. Good luck!


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


  El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 6:55 p.m., Mike B  
escribió:


  
  Damn, got the same message.  The message is, Software update failed, an 
error occurred downloading iOS14.0.  Well, I guess I'll call Apple 
Accessibility tomorrow.  I have no idea what can be happening.

  Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike B
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


  I have over 50GB of free space.  I'm on my 5th attempt right now.  We'll 
see what happens this time.  The first 4 times I had the lightening cable 
plugged in, this time I'm trying without it plugged in.  I don't see why it 
could make a difference, but we'll soon find out!  LOL
  Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


  I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory 
issue while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through 
iTunes Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably 
have, but just thinking out loud.






  Richard
  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B  wrote:



Hi All,

I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep 
getting an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not 
having any internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be 
causing this problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have 
a clue why it won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Donald ball]

Sure thanks for that. I wish there was an icon for it so you don't have 
to flip to all the pages.


On 9/18/2020 2:24 PM, regina alvarado wrote:

Donald, if I’m understanding what you want, possibly not, you want them 
alphabetized, right question if you tap on search it will take all your apps 
and alphabetize them. At the very edge of the right hand of the screen is an 
index as you would have with your contacts that you can flick up and down and 
go to the letter you want. I hope this is what you were talking about

Reggie Alvarado

On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Donald ball  wrote:

you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and are 
of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically wich 
would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already seen 
all the apps haven't you. Stupid.

On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I still haven't found the app library.


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On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I can 
hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good 
feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is 
organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather 
just have an alphabatized list of my apps. If I wanted them organized, 
according to their function, I'd just do this myself. This is how I do things 
in Android, and I think I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I 
still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a 
setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I haven't 
looked for one myself yet.

I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good thing. 
I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to them my 
flicking right on the first page.

Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up the 
library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but in case 
I have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the library directly.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
screen?

For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to hide 
pages 2-
5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use its own
organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One thing I like about 
the
App Library is there's a section near the top of recently installed apps, which
makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I noticed 
something
yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, page 2 was the first home
screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets and notifications screen. In iOS 14,
your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this change
since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at times with
students and others.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hi Anna,



I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
access the App library at some point.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
library screen?



Hi Alan,



You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That
makes it quicker to get to the library.



Best,

Anna







On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,



I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about is the

App library.

The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have
14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the organizing
I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access it. Can those
of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if asking Siri to
open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is there an alternative way to

access it?


Thanks in advance for your help



Alan Lemly



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Re: VO quit working after IOS 14 update

[goshawk on horseback]

no, I had no headphones or external speakers connected at the time. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: VO quit working after IOS 14 update


  Did you have earphones in when the phone rebooted? That has been known to 
cause problems like th.On my SE 2020 VO is more responsive with no delays with 
VoiceOver.






  Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:06 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


 
have also noticed a slowdown in response, with iPhone x, so dread to think 
what it would do to a 6s. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Charlie Kobermann 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:56 AM
  Subject: VO quit working after IOS 14 update


  I have a 6S iPhone and after I installed the OS14 update my voice over 
stopped working, phone is like very slow and battery drains fast? Anyone else 
having these problems or any suggestions about a fix? Anything appreciated!



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Re: VO quit working after IOS 14 update

[Richard Turner]

Did you have earphones in when the phone rebooted? That has been known to cause 
problems like th.On my SE 2020 VO is more responsive with no delays with 
VoiceOver.



Richard
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:06 PM, goshawk on horseback 
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have also noticed a slowdown in response, with iPhone x, so dread to think what 
it would do to a 6s.

Simon


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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:56 AM
Subject: VO quit working after IOS 14 update

I have a 6S iPhone and after I installed the OS14 update my voice over stopped 
working, phone is like very slow and battery drains fast? Anyone else having 
these problems or any suggestions about a fix? Anything appreciated!

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Re: Speakers

[goshawk on horseback]

I would say the main problem with selecting a bluetooth speaker, is that 
there is now such a range of choice, that you really have to actually make a 
list of what features you want, before you can really make a proper 
decision. even then, trying to find ones with the features you have listed 
can be hard, as most sites don't seem to have a feature where one can filter 
the choice of bluetooth speakers by features, hope that makes sense.


Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Speakers



If my bluetooth speaker speaks voiceover through the speaker when
connected to bluetooth, I don't care if it does or not.  The tribit
stormbox is a great speaker.  I have one, and it works quite well.
Anker also makes some great speakers as well.

On 9/18/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

I would buy a blue tooth speaker that does not speak Voiceover. Only a
few of these have this design. The others play all of the phone sounds
through the speaker, including VO and notifications.

On 9/18/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Andy,

I expect you're already aware of this but just wanted to mention that 
you

must have a Bluetooth transmitter connected to your first generation
Stream
in order to connect it to a Bluetooth speaker since that Stream does not
have Bluetooth built in.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speakers

I wouldn't mind $200 range as long as I can adjust treble and bass to my
liking and the quality of sound is great...  Thanks for the reply.  Andy
and
Shubert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as low
as
$20 or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about $250.  Once
you
give your price range, I can better assist you.  There are some great
speakers at all price points.

On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my
Iphone and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask
my friends here as you all have likely a demanding high quality
opinion on sound.  I have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the
boom boom sound.  I would like to find a speaker where you can adjust
on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels to suit my needs.
Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth speaker
that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music
and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't
have the various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your
suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Simon A Fogarty]

It's not just whats up 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:39 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

On Whatsapp, especially in Whatsapp groups. The focus seems to go back 
somewhere in the beginning of the message list, or the middle, for which I use 
the Progress bar on the right side of the screen, to put me at the end of the 
list, to double-tap where it says Recent messages.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 11:28 a.m., Wayne Merritt  
> escribió:
> 
> I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the 
> iPhone, my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on 
> the Software Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to 
> explore by touch. Granted, the behavior is annoying.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, its happends to me to.
>> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>> 
>> Please folks, any such issues report straight to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Afik.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around 
>> under
>> iOS14
>> 
>> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password 
>> then flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field 
>> where I entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I 
>> had flick past it to the next element then flick back. Once I did 
>> that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
>> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>> 
>> Kim
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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Re: Speakers

[Joshua Hendrickson]

If my bluetooth speaker speaks voiceover through the speaker when
connected to bluetooth, I don't care if it does or not.  The tribit
stormbox is a great speaker.  I have one, and it works quite well.
Anker also makes some great speakers as well.

On 9/18/20, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> I would buy a blue tooth speaker that does not speak Voiceover. Only a
> few of these have this design. The others play all of the phone sounds
> through the speaker, including VO and notifications.
>
> On 9/18/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> Andy,
>>
>> I expect you're already aware of this but just wanted to mention that you
>> must have a Bluetooth transmitter connected to your first generation
>> Stream
>> in order to connect it to a Bluetooth speaker since that Stream does not
>> have Bluetooth built in.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:48 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Speakers
>>
>> I wouldn't mind $200 range as long as I can adjust treble and bass to my
>> liking and the quality of sound is great...  Thanks for the reply.  Andy
>> and
>> Shubert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Speakers
>>
>> Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as low
>> as
>> $20 or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about $250.  Once
>> you
>> give your price range, I can better assist you.  There are some great
>> speakers at all price points.
>>
>> On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
>>> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my
>>> Iphone and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask
>>> my friends here as you all have likely a demanding high quality
>>> opinion on sound.  I have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the
>>> boom boom sound.  I would like to find a speaker where you can adjust
>>> on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels to suit my needs.
>>> Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth speaker
>>> that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music
>>> and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
>>> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't
>>> have the various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your
>>> suggestions.
>>> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>>>
>>> Andrew J. LaPointe, President
>>> Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>>> Salem, MA. 01970
>>> Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
>>>
>>> Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler
>>> Notebook Talking Information Center
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Re: VO quit working after IOS 14 update

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have also noticed a slowdown in response, with iPhone x, so dread to think what 
it would do to a 6s. 

Simon 


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  Subject: VO quit working after IOS 14 update


  I have a 6S iPhone and after I installed the OS14 update my voice over 
stopped working, phone is like very slow and battery drains fast? Anyone else 
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RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Both,
The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
recognition?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>> 
>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance 
>> for any assistance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, 
>>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This 
>>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like 
>>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a 
>>> list.  It took me what seemed like forever to find where this 
>>> feature was located in the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver 
>>> Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the 
>>> feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the 
>>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been 
>>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, 
>>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the 
>>> responsiveness of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on 
>>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that 
>>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going 
>>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an 
>>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch 
>>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 
>>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for 
>>> another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a 
>>> later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch 
>>> ID sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the 
>>> same or similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that 
>>> they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of 
>>> iPAds, all bets are off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we 
>>> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
>>> devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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VO quit working after IOS 14 update

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Re: Speakers

[Kelly Pierce]

I would buy a blue tooth speaker that does not speak Voiceover. Only a
few of these have this design. The others play all of the phone sounds
through the speaker, including VO and notifications.

On 9/18/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I expect you're already aware of this but just wanted to mention that you
> must have a Bluetooth transmitter connected to your first generation Stream
> in order to connect it to a Bluetooth speaker since that Stream does not
> have Bluetooth built in.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andrew J. LaPointe
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Speakers
>
> I wouldn't mind $200 range as long as I can adjust treble and bass to my
> liking and the quality of sound is great...  Thanks for the reply.  Andy and
> Shubert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
> Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as low as
> $20 or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about $250.  Once you
> give your price range, I can better assist you.  There are some great
> speakers at all price points.
>
> On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
>> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my
>> Iphone and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask
>> my friends here as you all have likely a demanding high quality
>> opinion on sound.  I have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the
>> boom boom sound.  I would like to find a speaker where you can adjust
>> on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels to suit my needs.
>> Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth speaker
>> that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music
>> and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
>> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't
>> have the various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your
>> suggestions.
>> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>>
>> Andrew J. LaPointe, President
>> Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>> Salem, MA. 01970
>> Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
>>
>> Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler
>> Notebook Talking Information Center
>>
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Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Resetting all settings sorted my iOS 14 focus issues - though it takes a lot of 
work afterwards putting back all tge settings
Harry

> On 19 Sep 2020, at 01:57, Marie  wrote:
> 
> This focus issue seems to be getting too frequent. That is one of the things 
> I found most difficult to deal with when trying to use an Android phone. It 
> drives me crazy.
> Marie
> 
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> -Original Message- From: dlng321.mob...@gmail.com
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> iOS14
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I also encounter the problem, VO is jumping around when I am using WhatsApp 
> app and editing email.
> 
> Blessing,
> Danny
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under 
> iOS14
> 
> I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the iPhone, 
> my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on the Software 
> Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to explore by touch. 
> Granted, the behavior is annoying.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, its happends to me to.
>> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>> 
>> Please folks, any such issues report straight to
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Afik.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under
>> iOS14
>> 
>> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password
>> then flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field
>> where I entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I
>> had flick past it to the next element then flick back. Once I did
>> that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
>> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>> 
>> Kim
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RE: Speakers

[Alan Lemly]

Andy,

I expect you're already aware of this but just wanted to mention that you must 
have a Bluetooth transmitter connected to your first generation Stream in order 
to connect it to a Bluetooth speaker since that Stream does not have Bluetooth 
built in.

Alan Lemly

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speakers

I wouldn't mind $200 range as long as I can adjust treble and bass to my liking 
and the quality of sound is great...  Thanks for the reply.  Andy and Shubert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers

Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as low as $20 
or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about $250.  Once you give 
your price range, I can better assist you.  There are some great speakers at 
all price points.

On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my 
> Iphone and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask 
> my friends here as you all have likely a demanding high quality 
> opinion on sound.  I have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the 
> boom boom sound.  I would like to find a speaker where you can adjust 
> on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels to suit my needs.
> Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth speaker 
> that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music 
> and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't 
> have the various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your 
> suggestions.
> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>
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RE: Speakers

[kitty hevener]

Andy, I just purchased a speaker from Tribet which I really think gives some of 
the bose speakers a run for the money.  It was either the storm box or box 
storm.  It has surround sound, is waterproof,and easy to distinguish controls.  
It gives a series of beeps from low to high when powered on and vv when off.  
The blue tooth pairing uses two tones to help u know when device is 
successfully paired.  You can adjust the bass (add bass or take it away).  I 
caught it on sale from amazon for somewhere in the $50 price range.  I have 
successfully paired it with the original apple SE phone.  Hope that helps.  

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com; jfw-us...@groups.io
Subject: Speakers

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone and 
my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends here as 
you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I have a Bose 
speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would like to find a 
speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels 
to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth 
speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music 
and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the 
various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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Can’t move Widgets on Page0 to other pages?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Hope you guys can make sense of what I?m trying to do: On what I’ll call Page 0 
(what used to be Page1 before iOS14), I’ve several widgets (TuneIn Radio, 
Google News), that I want to somehow drag from Page0 to Page 2, but these don’t 
move! I try flicking up or down, but no actions rotor. Can’t these widgets not 
be moved? Because hwen I go to Add Widgets on Page2, from within the editing 
area in which one can move icons around, the widgets that I?m wanting to move 
from Page0 to Page2, don’t appear within the Widgets list!
What’s going on then? Thanks for info.

Gera
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RE: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[kitty hevener]

Richard, r u saying that the original se still will support ios 14? How 
exciting!!!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

 

I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory issue 
while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through iTunes 
Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably have, but 
just thinking out loud.

 

 

Richard

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On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep getting 
an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not having any 
internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be causing this 
problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have a clue why it 
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Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Marie]

This focus issue seems to be getting too frequent. That is one of the things 
I found most difficult to deal with when trying to use an Android phone. It 
drives me crazy.

Marie


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Hi,

I also encounter the problem, VO is jumping around when I am using WhatsApp 
app and editing email.


Blessing,
Danny

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Merritt

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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iOS14


I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the 
iPhone, my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on the 
Software Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to explore by 
touch. Granted, the behavior is annoying.


Wayne

On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:


Yes, its happends to me to.
I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.

Please folks, any such issues report straight to
accessibil...@apple.com

Afik.


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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under
iOS14

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password
then flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field
where I entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I
had flick past it to the next element then flick back. Once I did
that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

Kim
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RE: Speakers

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

I wouldn't mind $200 range as long as I can adjust treble and bass to my liking 
and the quality of sound is great...  Thanks for the reply.  Andy and Shubert

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as low as $20 
or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about $250.  Once you give 
your price range, I can better assist you.  There are some great speakers at 
all price points.

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> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my 
> Iphone and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask 
> my friends here as you all have likely a demanding high quality 
> opinion on sound.  I have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the 
> boom boom sound.  I would like to find a speaker where you can adjust 
> on the speaker the volume, treble and bass levels to suit my needs.  
> Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too big Bluetooth speaker 
> that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to listen to music 
> and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't 
> have the various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your 
> suggestions.
> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>
> Andrew J. LaPointe, President
> Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
> 34 Raymond Ave.
> Salem, MA. 01970
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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Janet Wright]

yes

On 9/18/2020 9:58 AM, Jed Barton wrote:

Is the app just called chimes?

On 9/18/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:

I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I turn
prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications where
you could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to pair
the watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it
work. My alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid of
breathe or at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner 
wrote:


Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to
allow on lock screen and sounds are on?




Richard
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On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
wrote:


I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the
half hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need
to do to make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my
update finally downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!

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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Gerardo Corripio]

Try turning the phone off, waiting between 3-5 minutes, and turn it on again. 
Good luck!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 6:55 p.m., Mike B  escribió:
> 
> Damn, got the same message.  The message is, Software update failed, an error 
> occurred downloading iOS14.0.  Well, I guess I'll call Apple Accessibility 
> tomorrow.  I have no idea what can be happening.
> 
> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike B
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download
> 
> I have over 50GB of free space.  I'm on my 5th attempt right now.  We'll see 
> what happens this time.  The first 4 times I had the lightening cable  
> plugged in, this time I'm trying without it plugged in.  I don't see why it 
> could make a difference, but we'll soon find out!  LOL 
> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download
> 
> I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
> free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory 
> issue while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through 
> iTunes Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably 
> have, but just thinking out loud.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  
>> I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep 
>> getting an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not 
>> having any internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be 
>> causing this problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have 
>> a clue why it won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
>> 
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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Mike B]

Damn, got the same message.  The message is, Software update failed, an 
error occurred downloading iOS14.0.  Well, I guess I'll call Apple 
Accessibility tomorrow.  I have no idea what can be happening.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Mike B
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


I have over 50GB of free space.  I'm on my 5th attempt right now.  We'll see 
what happens this time.  The first 4 times I had the lightening cable 
plugged in, this time I'm trying without it plugged in.  I don't see why it 
could make a difference, but we'll soon find out!  LOL
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory 
issue while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through 
iTunes Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably 
have, but just thinking out loud.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


  On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B  wrote:


  
  Hi All,

  I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep 
getting an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not 
having any internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be 
causing this problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have 
a clue why it won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

  Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


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How Do You Update all apps?

[Shirley Baker]

Richard, I saw where you were telling the list how to update everything all at 
once but I must have deleted that. Could you resend it just in case I should 
need it? It gives a date when the apps were updated but I just want that for 
future purposes.

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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Mike B]

I have over 50GB of free space.  I'm on my 5th attempt right now.  We'll see 
what happens this time.  The first 4 times I had the lightening cable 
plugged in, this time I'm trying without it plugged in.  I don't see why it 
could make a difference, but we'll soon find out!  LOL
Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download


I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory 
issue while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through 
iTunes Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably 
have, but just thinking out loud.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


  On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B  wrote:


  
  Hi All,

  I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep 
getting an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not 
having any internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be 
causing this problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have 
a clue why it won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

  Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


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Re: Siri Is Working After All on the Watch

[Shirley Baker]

I finally heard the chime. I removed my watch faces and added a different color 
of both but not sure if that was the problem. Whatever it was, I'm just happy.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:56 PM, regina alvarado  
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> 
> In accessibility go to chime and turn it on. Set your time and turn on the 
> sound you want. Both the time and the kind of chime are places you can double 
> tap for the list. Hope this helps. 
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
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> Siri is working on the watch. She informed me to bring my watch close to my 
> mouth and talk without pressing the button so I did. I still can't get rid of 
> breathe nor have I been able to get the chime (bells) to work on the watch. I 
> have not encountered all these problems until this update on the watch beside 
> losing the voice yesterday. I am grateful for apple accessibility. Guess I'll 
> be talking to them later.
> 
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Re: iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Richard Turner]

I updated my first generation SE with no problems, but it has about 60 GB 
free.If you have say less than 8 GB free you may be running into a memory issue 
while it is going through the process. Have you tried updating through iTunes 
Also, have you cleared the app switcher and rebooted?You probably have, but 
just thinking out loud.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Mike B  wrote:


Hi All,

I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep getting 
an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not having any 
internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be causing this 
problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have a clue why it 
won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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iOS14 Update Won't Download

[Mike B]

Hi All,

I'm trying to update my SE 2016 1st generation to the iOS14, but I keep 
getting an error message stating that the download has failed.  I'm not 
having any internet service interruptions, so does anyone know what could be 
causing this problem?  This iPhone is compatible for iOS14, so I don't have 
a clue why it won't.  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Mary, we like traveling in Oregon's wine country and to the coast. But, 
mostly we really like our house and yard. It will be nice when we can have 
friends over again.Later,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Thanks for the services you provide, richard. I had forgotten about your 
handout. And congratulations on the retirement. If we ever get past the virus 
and the fires, enjoy traveling if that’s what you like. Lots to see and do here 
in the Northwest.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures.
I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely 
available at 
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C26370ea1ed604665606208d85c2046f4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637360640975846675&sdata=DC5YbmrCo63tYEM9oflWUykWgIVfkIQwA3ehtixpAGQ%3D&reserved=0



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Mark and Aul,

Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing 
new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna 
upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be 
using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any 
resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from 
the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Family,

1.
I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.

Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit
a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature
drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or
diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took
me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in
the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the
feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart 
of the device.

2.
I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
descriptions were set to off, by default.

3.
My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on
the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or
later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness
of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until
after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not
cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my
8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is
released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly
suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID
sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that
Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model.

4.
Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets
are off.  Just have to wait and see.

5.
I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we
can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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Re: Question About Notifications in the Watch App

[Shirley Baker]

That's what I've tried to do but it doesn't say whether it's on or off like in 
IOS 13 and before.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Go to the Watch app on the phone, and make any changes you wish under 
> notifications. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
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> Subject: Question About Notifications in the Watch App
> 
> How can you tell when a notification is either on or off in the watch app? I 
> keep getting a message about breathe and I want to make it stop sending to 
> me. It vibrates which I didn't want to hear the sound it makes any longer. 
> Also, I can't make Siri work on my watch. She keeps telling me to repeat what 
> I said again. I was trying to get her to set a timer and I never could get 
> her to do that on my watch so I manually did it. It does not say to my 
> knowledge when a notification is ehter on or off.
> 
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RE: Question About Notifications in the Watch App

[Deb Cook Lewis]

Go to the Watch app on the phone, and make any changes you wish under 
notifications. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question About Notifications in the Watch App

How can you tell when a notification is either on or off in the watch app? I 
keep getting a message about breathe and I want to make it stop sending to me. 
It vibrates which I didn't want to hear the sound it makes any longer. Also, I 
can't make Siri work on my watch. She keeps telling me to repeat what I said 
again. I was trying to get her to set a timer and I never could get her to do 
that on my watch so I manually did it. It does not say to my knowledge when a 
notification is ehter on or off.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Alan Lemly]

I believe I read that if you open the search option from the App library page, 
you'll get an alphabetized list of all your apps. I can't test this but perhaps 
one of you who has installed iOS 14 can test it and get back to us.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donald ball
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
screen?

you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and are 
of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically wich 
would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already seen 
all the apps haven't you. Stupid.

On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
> I still haven't found the app library.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do 
> nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
>
> On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things 
>> so I can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this 
>> will be a good feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like 
>> how the library is organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going 
>> into the library I'd rather just have an alphabatized list of my 
>> apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd 
>> just do this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think 
>> I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I still feel 
>> this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a 
>> setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I 
>> haven't looked for one myself yet.
>>
>> I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a 
>> good thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can 
>> still get to them my flicking right on the first page.
>>
>> Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can 
>> bring up the library directly. I may get down to just one home page 
>> like Wayne, but in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be 
>> able to get to the library directly.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Wayne Merritt
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App 
>>> library screen?
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able 
>>> to hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I 
>>> swipe
>>> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will 
>>> use its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. 
>>> One thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the 
>>> top of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those 
>>> apps I just got.
>>> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I 
>>> noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, 
>>> page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets 
>>> and notifications screen.
>>> In iOS 14,
>>> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this 
>>> change since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at 
>>> times with students and others.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>> Wayne Merritt
>>>
>>> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 Hi Anna,



 I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit 
 seldom used individual apps and send them to the App library to 
 clear them off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an 
 alternative way to access the App library at some point.



 Alan



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
 To: VIPhone Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App 
 library screen?



 Hi Alan,



 You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. 
 That makes it quicker to get to the library.



 Best,

 Anna







 On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



 Hi List,



 I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various 
 podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited 
 about is the
>>> App library.
 The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen 
 page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never 
 organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I 
 have
 14 screens of them. I'm hoping t

Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Marie,

I have the 8S plus. But you raise a good point. I have an awfully good deal 
with Verizon is I’m on a loyalty plan. It’s also for seniors. So I will have to 
make some decisions about all of this. Thanks for the info. Stay well.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:13:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
Well, from what I have heard, for somebody in your situation in a more rural 
area, 5G is a loser specially if you’re on Verizon. From what I’ve read, it 
sounds like the best 5G rural area coverage is T-Mobile. They don’t use 
millimeterwave. That’s the really fast stuff. But it also doesn’t go anywhere 
and isn’t available anywhere except for major metro areas. So I wonder if 
getting a new phone with a better modem and it would solve your problem. What 
phone do you have now? Seven or an eight? Can’t remember. Good luck in any case.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Mary,

Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now 
living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I moved. 
Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would help 
with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when they 
really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. Anyway, I 
will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. Thanks for the 
assist.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely 
tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a 
lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 
Mbps download. I’ll take that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Mary,

It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I 
suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G 
capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. 
I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of 
those.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes 
out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and 
presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The 
biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t 
really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on 
AppleVis.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
> Hi Mark and Aul,
>
> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. 
> Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. 
> Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I 
> prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any 
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Family,
>>
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> instal

Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for the services you provide, richard. I had forgotten about your 
handout. And congratulations on the retirement. If we ever get past the virus 
and the fires, enjoy traveling if that’s what you like. Lots to see and do here 
in the Northwest.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures.
> I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely 
> available at www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
> 
> Hi Mark and Aul,
> 
> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. 
> Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. 
> Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I 
> prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any 
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Family,
>> 
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>> 
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit 
>> a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature 
>> drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or 
>> diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took 
>> me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in 
>> the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the 
>> feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a 
>> restart of the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene 
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>> 
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on 
>> the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or 
>> later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness 
>> of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until 
>> after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not 
>> cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 
>> 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is 
>> released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly 
>> suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID 
>> sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that 
>> Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID 
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or 
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have 
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets 
>> are off.  Just have to wait and see.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we 
>> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
>> devices.
>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>> 
>> I hope you are all doing well.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Les,
Well, from what I have heard, for somebody in your situation in a more rural 
area, 5G is a loser specially if you’re on Verizon. From what I’ve read, it 
sounds like the best 5G rural area coverage is T-Mobile. They don’t use 
millimeterwave. That’s the really fast stuff. But it also doesn’t go anywhere 
and isn’t available anywhere except for major metro areas. So I wonder if 
getting a new phone with a better modem and it would solve your problem. What 
phone do you have now? Seven or an eight? Can’t remember. Good luck in any case.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now 
> living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I 
> moved. Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would 
> help with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when 
> they really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. 
> Anyway, I will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. 
> Thanks for the assist.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
> Otten 
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
>  
> Hi Les,
> Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely 
> tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s 
> a lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 
> 100 Mbps download. I’ll take that.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I 
>> suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G 
>> capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must 
>> say. I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get 
>> one of those.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
>> Otten 
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with 
>> face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE 
>> plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
>> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
>> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home 
>> button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even 
>> describe somewhere on AppleVis.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi Mark and Aul,
>> > 
>> > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> > however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> > would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> > recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in 
>> > advance for any assistance.
>> > Best regards,
>> > Les
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Hello Family,
>> >> 
>> >> 1.
>> >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>> >> 
>> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> >> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
>> >> so
>> >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>> >> 
>> >> 2.
>> >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> >> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>> >> 
>> >> 3.
>> >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> >> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
>> >> hearing
>> >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus 
>> >> to
>> >> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> >> plannin

Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Mary Otten]

 I’m with you, Wayne. I see no point in letting Apple organize my stuff for me, 
how do they know how I want my stuff organized? I’m good with an alphabetical 
list. But they could’ve just put a button with that on a screen and you could 
just tap it. Like the Google app drawer used to be.. That was simple, 
straightforward, and usable. This is just not necessary at least in my view.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I do think that getting to the alphabetical list could be easier than
> going through Search, so that may take some getting used to. I wish
> they had put a button to access the full list of apps, rather than
> going through Search, but whatever. When does Apple ever listen to
> what I think? Hahaha, kidding, ;)
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/18/20, chalt...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> Well, if you hide a bunch of your apps and pages then you won't have seen
>> them by the time you get to the apps library. I like this on Android, so I
>> think this will be a good feature on IOS, for those people who want
>> something like this. With Reggie's tip on how to alphabetize the apps, it'll
>> be an even nicer feature.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Donald ball
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:19 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Maria Campbell 
>>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library
>>> screen?
>>> 
>>> you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and
>>> are
>>> of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically
>>> wich
>>> would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already
>>> seen all
>>> the apps haven't you. Stupid.
>>> 
>>> On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
 I still haven't found the app library.
 
 
 Maria Campbell
 lucky1i...@gmail.com
 
 All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
 nothing.
 --Edmund Burke
 
 On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things
> so I can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this
> will be a good feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like
> how the library is organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going
> into the library I'd rather just have an alphabatized list of my
> apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd
> just do this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think
> I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I still feel
> this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a
> setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I
> haven't looked for one myself yet.
> 
> I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a
> good thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can
> still get to them my flicking right on the first page.
> 
> Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can
> bring up the library directly. I may get down to just one home page
> like Wayne, but in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be
> able to get to the library directly.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
>>> Behalf
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
>> library screen?
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able
>> to hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I
>> swipe
>> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will
>> use its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders.
>> One thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the
>> top of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those
>> apps I just got.
>> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
>> noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
>> page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
>> and notifications screen.
>> In iOS 14,
>> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this
>> change since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at
>> times with students and others.
>> 
>> Have fun,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> Hi Anna,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit
>>> seldom used individual apps and send them to the App library to

Re: Siri Is Working After All on the Watch

[Shirley Baker]

I have chime turned on but I don't understand the rest of your message. Are you 
saying I have to set a time for chime to work?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:56 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> In accessibility go to chime and turn it on. Set your time and turn on the 
> sound you want. Both the time and the kind of chime are places you can double 
> tap for the list. Hope this helps. 
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> Siri is working on the watch. She informed me to bring my watch close to my 
> mouth and talk without pressing the button so I did. I still can't get rid of 
> breathe nor have I been able to get the chime (bells) to work on the watch. I 
> have not encountered all these problems until this update on the watch beside 
> losing the voice yesterday. I am grateful for apple accessibility. Guess I'll 
> be talking to them later.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Speakers

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Andrew, what is your price range.  I've bought speakers that were as
low as $20 or less, and I've got my bose revolve plus that is about
$250.  Once you give your price range, I can better assist you.  There
are some great speakers at all price points.

On 9/18/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
> Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone
> and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
> here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
> have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would
> like
> to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble
> and
> bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not
> too
> big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to
> listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
> I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the
> various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
> Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert
>
> Andrew J. LaPointe, President
> Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
> 34 Raymond Ave.
> Salem, MA. 01970
> Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185
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Re: Siri Is Working After All on the Watch

[regina alvarado]

In accessibility go to chime and turn it on. Set your time and turn on the 
sound you want. Both the time and the kind of chime are places you can double 
tap for the list. Hope this helps. 

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

Siri is working on the watch. She informed me to bring my watch close to my 
mouth and talk without pressing the button so I did. I still can't get rid of 
breathe nor have I been able to get the chime (bells) to work on the watch. I 
have not encountered all these problems until this update on the watch beside 
losing the voice yesterday. I am grateful for apple accessibility. Guess I'll 
be talking to them later.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Wayne Merritt]

I do think that getting to the alphabetical list could be easier than
going through Search, so that may take some getting used to. I wish
they had put a button to access the full list of apps, rather than
going through Search, but whatever. When does Apple ever listen to
what I think? Hahaha, kidding, ;)

Wayne

On 9/18/20, chalt...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Well, if you hide a bunch of your apps and pages then you won't have seen
> them by the time you get to the apps library. I like this on Android, so I
> think this will be a good feature on IOS, for those people who want
> something like this. With Reggie's tip on how to alphabetize the apps, it'll
> be an even nicer feature.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Donald ball
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Maria Campbell 
>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library
>> screen?
>>
>> you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and
>> are
>> of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically
>> wich
>> would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already
>> seen all
>> the apps haven't you. Stupid.
>>
>> On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
>> > I still haven't found the app library.
>> >
>> >
>> > Maria Campbell
>> > lucky1i...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
>> > nothing.
>> > --Edmund Burke
>> >
>> > On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things
>> >> so I can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this
>> >> will be a good feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like
>> >> how the library is organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going
>> >> into the library I'd rather just have an alphabatized list of my
>> >> apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd
>> >> just do this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think
>> >> I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I still feel
>> >> this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a
>> >> setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I
>> >> haven't looked for one myself yet.
>> >>
>> >> I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a
>> >> good thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can
>> >> still get to them my flicking right on the first page.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can
>> >> bring up the library directly. I may get down to just one home page
>> >> like Wayne, but in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be
>> >> able to get to the library directly.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> >> Chaltain at Gmail
>> >>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
>> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
>> >>> library screen?
>> >>>
>> >>> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able
>> >>> to hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I
>> >>> swipe
>> >>> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will
>> >>> use its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders.
>> >>> One thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the
>> >>> top of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those
>> >>> apps I just got.
>> >>> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
>> >>> noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
>> >>> page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
>> >>> and notifications screen.
>> >>> In iOS 14,
>> >>> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this
>> >>> change since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at
>> >>> times with students and others.
>> >>>
>> >>> Have fun,
>> >>> Wayne Merritt
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>  Hi Anna,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit
>>  seldom used individual apps and send them to the App library to
>>  clear them off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an
>>  alternative way to access the App library at some point.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> On
>>  Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
>>  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
>>  To: VIPhone Mailing List
>>  Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
>>  library screen?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Hi Alan,

Speakers

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi, I was asking around for a great quality Bluetooth speaker for my Iphone
and my victor stream 1st gen.  It would be best for me to ask my friends
here as you all have likely a demanding high quality opinion on sound.  I
have a Bose speaker and I just don't like the boom boom sound.  I would like
to find a speaker where you can adjust on the speaker the volume, treble and
bass levels to suit my needs.  Can I ask you all on suggestions on a not too
big Bluetooth speaker that also can connect to my victor stream?  I like to
listen to music and audible books as well as Bard n l s books.
I also have a lansing Bluetooth speaker but like the Bose, doesn't have the
various treble and bass choices.  I greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks a million.  Andy and Shubert 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

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RE: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[chaltain]

Well, if you hide a bunch of your apps and pages then you won't have seen them 
by the time you get to the apps library. I like this on Android, so I think 
this will be a good feature on IOS, for those people who want something like 
this. With Reggie's tip on how to alphabetize the apps, it'll be an even nicer 
feature.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Donald ball
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Maria Campbell 
> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
> screen?
> 
> you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and are
> of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically wich
> would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already 
> seen all
> the apps haven't you. Stupid.
> 
> On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
> > I still haven't found the app library.
> >
> >
> > Maria Campbell
> > lucky1i...@gmail.com
> >
> > All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
> > nothing.
> > --Edmund Burke
> >
> > On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things
> >> so I can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this
> >> will be a good feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like
> >> how the library is organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going
> >> into the library I'd rather just have an alphabatized list of my
> >> apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd
> >> just do this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think
> >> I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I still feel
> >> this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a
> >> setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I
> >> haven't looked for one myself yet.
> >>
> >> I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a
> >> good thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can
> >> still get to them my flicking right on the first page.
> >>
> >> Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can
> >> bring up the library directly. I may get down to just one home page
> >> like Wayne, but in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be
> >> able to get to the library directly.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> >> Chaltain at Gmail
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >>> Of Wayne Merritt
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
> >>> library screen?
> >>>
> >>> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able
> >>> to hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I
> >>> swipe
> >>> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will
> >>> use its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders.
> >>> One thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the
> >>> top of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those
> >>> apps I just got.
> >>> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
> >>> noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
> >>> page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
> >>> and notifications screen.
> >>> In iOS 14,
> >>> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this
> >>> change since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at
> >>> times with students and others.
> >>>
> >>> Have fun,
> >>> Wayne Merritt
> >>>
> >>> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>  Hi Anna,
> 
> 
> 
>  I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit
>  seldom used individual apps and send them to the App library to
>  clear them off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an
>  alternative way to access the App library at some point.
> 
> 
> 
>  Alan
> 
> 
> 
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> On
>  Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
>  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
>  To: VIPhone Mailing List
>  Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
>  library screen?
> 
> 
> 
>  Hi Alan,
> 
> 
> 
>  You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often.
>  That makes it quicker to get to the library.
> 
> 
> 
>  Best,
> 
>  Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Hi List,
> 
> 
> 
>  I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
>  podcasts on some of its new features. 

RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Even in 2005 wich was another really bad year. We didn't even make it to this 
many hurricanes so soon. The reality is we are killing the planet and we are 
seeing how things will play out if we continue. I really need to start looking 
into the best weather apps, honestly thought we was going to get Salley here, 
and that would have been a mess after having Laura tare up the southwest part 
of the state.

On 9/18/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Hollie, what is the AWI?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Holly
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the 
> Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress
>
> Vivian:
>
> Here in Spokane now the AQI is down to 162 and going to clear out 
> totally by Saturday.  Hurray!
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Siri Is Working After All on the Watch

[Shirley Baker]

Siri is working on the watch. She informed me to bring my watch close to my 
mouth and talk without pressing the button so I did. I still can't get rid of 
breathe nor have I been able to get the chime (bells) to work on the watch. I 
have not encountered all these problems until this update on the watch beside 
losing the voice yesterday. I am grateful for apple accessibility. Guess I'll 
be talking to them later.

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Re: time app with voice?

[dani pagador]

I don't always have my phone near me to touch it to get the time, and
don't own a talking watch or an Apple watch. Having the Chime app set
to sound the quarter hour gives me a rough idea of how much time has
gone by. The sound is discreet enough to not bother anyone within
hearing distance.

I'm glad this app will still work with the new iOS. I'll be sad if it
ever goes away.

On 9/17/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> If you go into settings, display and brightness, and turn off raise to wake,
> it will stop telling you the time when you move the phone.
> If it is telling you the time during audio books, it is because the
> VoiceOver cursor is sitting on the clock at the top, touch somewhere on the
> main part of the screen and that should stop.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:42 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
>
> 
> And I wish it would stop telling me the time every time I move the phone.
> And I wish it would stop telling me the time when I am reading podcasts and
> talking books. The only way I can overcome this is to turn Voiceover off.
> Alison
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty
> Hutchings
> Sent: 18 September 2020 01:47
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: time app with voice?
>
> I wish that on the iPhone, there was a way to get the time spoken when ever
> I need it by just pressing one button, like as if I had a talking watch
>
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and
> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
>
> From: Andrew J. LaPointe
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: time app with voice?
>
> Hi Richard, I was out and started to hear Chime working again.  She goes off
> every ¼ hour…  Pretty strange that it did that as I didn’t do anything else
> to set it up.  I am glad I didn’t shell out $4.99 to get the Talking Clock.
> Thanks Andy and Shubert
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: time app with voice?
>
> It is called chime in the utilities category by black tree, here is the
> link,
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chime/id414830146
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
> On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Hendrickson
> mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> What is the name of this app specifically.  I think I'd like to try it.
>
> On 9/17/20, Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> The Chime app is working fine on both of my devices now.
>
> One is on the Gold Master of 14, which I gather is essentially the same as
> the release version.
>
> To get this app to work, you have to make sure that in the settings,
> notifications, chime is set to be allowed on the lock screen, and have
> sounds on.
> In the app itself, keep tapping the spot to select on the hour, half hour,
> quarter hour, etc., until you are on the one you want.
> Then set the time range.
> Then set whether you want it spoken or the various sounds.
> Then, double tap on the on item.
> Then, wait and see.
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward
> Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Carolyn
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 1:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: time app with voice?
>
> How do you get the time reminder to work?
>
> -Original Message-
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> Hold that thought.
> It just

Question About Notifications in the Watch App

[Shirley Baker]

How can you tell when a notification is either on or off in the watch app? I 
keep getting a message about breathe and I want to make it stop sending to me. 
It vibrates which I didn't want to hear the sound it makes any longer. Also, I 
can't make Siri work on my watch. She keeps telling me to repeat what I said 
again. I was trying to get her to set a timer and I never could get her to do 
that on my watch so I manually did it. It does not say to my knowledge when a 
notification is ehter on or off.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: VO and Bluetooth Speakers in iOS 14

[Richard Turner]

I think that is still dependent on the speaker.
None of my Bluetooth devices do this, but If I use Airplay to my stereo, VO 
stays on the phone.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of K. Scott 
Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO and Bluetooth Speakers in iOS 14

I was under the impression that there would be an easier way to have VO speech 
output through the iPhone's speakers while other audio was playing on a 
Bluetooth device in iOS 14. I haven't seen anything about this on AppleVis; 
does anyone know if this happened?

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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,

Thanks as usual for the excellent service you provide. Also, much 
congratulations on your retirement. Take it from someone who’s been retired for 
a while, you will enjoy it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:24:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures.
I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely 
available at www.turner42.com



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Mark and Aul,

Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing 
new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna 
upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be 
using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any 
resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from 
the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Hello Family,
>
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit
> a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature
> drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or
> diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took
> me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in
> the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the
> feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart 
> of the device.
>
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on
> the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or
> later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness
> of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until
> after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not
> cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my
> 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is
> released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly
> suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID
> sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that
> Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model.
>
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets
> are off.  Just have to wait and see.
>
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we
> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
> devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>
> I hope you are all doing well.
>
> Mark
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RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Richard Turner]

As Mary said, it is mostly the few new gestures.
I cover those in the handout I put together on VoiceOver gestures, freely 
available at www.turner42.com



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Mark and Aul,

Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing 
new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna 
upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be 
using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any 
resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from 
the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit 
> a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature 
> drove me crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or 
> diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took 
> me what seemed like forever to find where this feature was located in 
> the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the 
> feature to off but doing so did not disable the feature until after a restart 
> of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene 
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on 
> the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or 
> later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness 
> of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until 
> after hearing from various people on this list, that doing so will not 
> cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 
> 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is 
> released; assuming that it ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly 
> suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID 
> sensor, then I will try to hold out for another year in hopes that 
> Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID 
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or 
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have 
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets 
> are off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we 
> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
> devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mary,

Well, the problem here is that we moved a little over a year ago. I am now 
living in a more rural area. Connection problems have persisted since I moved. 
Therefore, for me, assuming they bring 5G to my area, I think it would help 
with connection issues that I’m having. I have lots of dropouts when they 
really shouldn’t happen. This was related to my use of the my eyes. Anyway, I 
will investigate all options as soon as I know what they are. Thanks for the 
assist.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:39:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely 
tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a 
lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 
Mbps download. I’ll take that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Mary,

It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I 
suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G 
capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. 
I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of 
those.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes 
out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and 
presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The 
biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t 
really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on 
AppleVis.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
> Hi Mark and Aul,
>
> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. 
> Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. 
> Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I 
> prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any 
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Family,
>>
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>> a later model.
>>
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>> 

RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[dlng321.mobile]

Hi,

I also encounter the problem, VO is jumping around when I am using WhatsApp app 
and editing email.

Blessing,
Danny 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the iPhone, 
my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on the Software 
Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to explore by touch. 
Granted, the behavior is annoying.

Wayne

On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
>
> Yes, its happends to me to.
> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>
> Please folks, any such issues report straight to 
> accessibil...@apple.com
>
> Afik.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under
> iOS14
>
> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password 
> then flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field 
> where I entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I 
> had flick past it to the next element then flick back. Once I did 
> that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>
> Kim
> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Les,
Well, if the + type SE actually comes out, I think that would be extremely 
tempting. I do not care about 5G. I really don’t at this point. I think it’s a 
lot of hype. And I get decent LTE out here on T-Mobile. I am right around 100 
Mbps download. I’ll take that.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I 
> suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G 
> capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. 
> I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of 
> those.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
> Otten 
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions
>  
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Mark and Aul,
> > 
> > Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> > purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> > not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
> > however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
> > would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
> > recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in 
> > advance for any assistance.
> > Best regards,
> > Les
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Family,
> >> 
> >> 1.
> >> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> >> 
> >> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> >> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> >> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> >> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> >> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> >> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> >> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
> >> so
> >> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> >> 
> >> 2.
> >> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> >> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> >> 
> >> 3.
> >> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> >> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> >> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> >> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
> >> hearing
> >> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> >> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> >> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> >> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> >> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> >> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back 
> >> on
> >> a later model.
> >> 
> >> 4.
> >> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> >> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> >> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> >> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> >> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> >> 
> >> 5.
> >> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> >> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> >> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> >> 
> >> I hope you are all doing well.
> >> 
> >> Mark
> >> 
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Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Gerardo Corripio]

On Whatsapp, especially in Whatsapp groups. The focus seems to go back 
somewhere in the beginning of the message list, or the middle, for which I use 
the Progress bar on the right side of the screen, to put me at the end of the 
list, to double-tap where it says Recent messages.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 11:28 a.m., Wayne Merritt  
> escribió:
> 
> I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the
> iPhone, my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on
> the Software Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to
> explore by touch. Granted, the behavior is annoying.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, its happends to me to.
>> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>> 
>> Please folks, any such issues report straight to
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Afik.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kimberly
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under
>> iOS14
>> 
>> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then
>> flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I
>> entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past
>> it to the next element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where
>> I wanted it.
>> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>> 
>> Kim
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>> 
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Request to report; focus problems in edit feelds and links with VoiceOver on IOS 14

[Afik Souffir]

FB8711587

Afik

Hi, i’ve just reported it.
Please report it as well and mention this id


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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[regina alvarado]

Donald, if I’m understanding what you want, possibly not, you want them 
alphabetized, right question if you tap on search it will take all your apps 
and alphabetize them. At the very edge of the right hand of the screen is an 
index as you would have with your contacts that you can flick up and down and 
go to the letter you want. I hope this is what you were talking about

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Donald ball  wrote:

you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped and are 
of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them alphabetically wich 
would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last page You have already seen 
all the apps haven't you. Stupid.

On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
> I still haven't found the app library.
> 
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
> 
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
> 
> On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I 
>> can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good 
>> feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is 
>> organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather 
>> just have an alphabatized list of my apps. If I wanted them organized, 
>> according to their function, I'd just do this myself. This is how I do 
>> things in Android, and I think I prefer this behavior. After giving it some 
>> time, if I still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. 
>> BTW, is there a setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, 
>> but I haven't looked for one myself yet.
>> 
>> I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good 
>> thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to 
>> them my flicking right on the first page.
>> 
>> Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up 
>> the library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but 
>> in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the 
>> library directly.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Wayne Merritt
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
>>> screen?
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to hide 
>>> pages 2-
>>> 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
>>> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use its 
>>> own
>>> organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One thing I like 
>>> about the
>>> App Library is there's a section near the top of recently installed apps, 
>>> which
>>> makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
>>> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I noticed 
>>> something
>>> yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, page 2 was the first home
>>> screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets and notifications screen. In iOS 
>>> 14,
>>> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this change
>>> since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at times with
>>> students and others.
>>> 
>>> Have fun,
>>> Wayne Merritt
>>> 
>>> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 Hi Anna,
 
 
 
 I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
 used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
 off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
 access the App library at some point.
 
 
 
 Alan
 
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
 To: VIPhone Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
 library screen?
 
 
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 
 
 You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That
 makes it quicker to get to the library.
 
 
 
 Best,
 
 Anna
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi List,
 
 
 
 I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
 podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about is the
>>> App library.
 The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
 page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
 organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have
 14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the organizing
 I've not done but I'd

Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Donald ball]

you use one finger to go up beyond the last page. The aps are grouped 
and are of no use to me in that state. Maybve we can sort them 
alphabetically wich would suit me better. Plus if it is beyond the last 
page You have already seen all the apps haven't you. Stupid.


On 9/18/2020 1:41 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I still haven't found the app library.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do 
nothing.

--Edmund Burke

On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things 
so I can hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this 
will be a good feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like 
how the library is organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going 
into the library I'd rather just have an alphabatized list of my 
apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd 
just do this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think 
I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I still feel 
this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a 
setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I 
haven't looked for one myself yet.


I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a 
good thing. I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can 
still get to them my flicking right on the first page.


Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can 
bring up the library directly. I may get down to just one home page 
like Wayne, but in case I have a few pages, it would be nice to be 
able to get to the library directly.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App 
library screen?


For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able 
to hide pages 2-

5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will 
use its own
organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One thing I 
like about the
App Library is there's a section near the top of recently installed 
apps, which

makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I 
noticed something
yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, page 2 was the 
first home
screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets and notifications screen. 
In iOS 14,
your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this 
change
since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at times 
with

students and others.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hi Anna,



I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
access the App library at some point.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
library screen?



Hi Alan,



You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That
makes it quicker to get to the library.



Best,

Anna







On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,



I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited 
about is the

App library.

The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have
14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the organizing
I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access it. Can those
of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if asking Siri to
open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is there an 
alternative way to

access it?



Thanks in advance for your help



Alan Lemly



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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Mary Otten]

You can use a passcode on all of them. And yes, the SC has the home button and 
the touch ID.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
> recognition?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with 
>> face ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE 
>> plus comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
>> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
>> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home 
>> button. And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even 
>> describe somewhere on AppleVis.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>>> 
>>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in 
>>> advance for any assistance.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Family,
 
 1.
 I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
 
 Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
 However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
 scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
 crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
 all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
 forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
 setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing 
 so
 did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
 
 2.
 I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
 descriptions were set to off, by default.
 
 3.
 My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
 market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
 installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
 phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after 
 hearing
 from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
 slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
 planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
 ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
 iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
 for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back 
 on
 a later model.
 
 4.
 Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
 sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
 similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
 implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
 off.  Just have to wait and see.
 
 5.
 I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
 talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
 If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
 
 I hope you are all doing well.
 
 Mark
 
 
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Re: Low Vision features or fixes in iOS 14?

[Pete Nalda]

The biggest thing I’ve noticed is there’s a new Magnifier app. Seems to be 
clearer than both mag light+ or SeeingAssistant. Also, the search field in 
various apps has grown larger. Two things that I’ve noted. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. What are the new features for people with some sight, that are in 
> Zoom or Magnifier, in iOS 14?
> Thanks.
> Devin Prater
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Shirley Baker]

With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
recognition?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>> 
>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance 
>> for any assistance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>>> a later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Maria Campbell]

I finally found it by going to page 4 and double tapping.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/18/2020 1:58 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Have you already tried doing a three finger swipe left until you get to your 
last page of apps and then do one more three finger swipe left?

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
screen?

I still haven't found the app library.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I can

hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good feature
once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is organizing my 
apps
though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather just have an 
alphabatized list
of my apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd just do
this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think I prefer this 
behavior.
After giving it some time, if I still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send 
Apple my
feedback. BTW, is there a setting to change how the library is organized? I
apologize, but I haven't looked for one myself yet.

I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good thing.

I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to them my
flicking right on the first page.

Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up the

library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but in case I
have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the library directly.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On

Behalf

Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library

screen?

For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to
hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I
swipe
3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use
its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One
thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the top
of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
and notifications screen. In iOS 14, your home screens actually start
on page 1. I'm glad they made this change since it was confusing when
talking about the page numbers at times with students and others.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hi Anna,



I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
access the App library at some point.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]

On

Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
library screen?



Hi Alan,



You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often.
That makes it quicker to get to the library.



Best,

Anna







On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,



I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about
is the

App library.

The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I
have
14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the
organizing I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access
it. Can those of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if
asking Siri to open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is
there an alternative way to

access it?


Thanks in advance for your help



Alan Lemly



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RE: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[chaltain]

Have you already tried doing a three finger swipe left until you get to your 
last page of apps and then do one more three finger swipe left?

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
> screen?
> 
> I still haven't found the app library.
> 
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
> 
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
> 
> On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I 
> > can
> hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good 
> feature
> once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is organizing my 
> apps
> though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather just have an 
> alphabatized list
> of my apps. If I wanted them organized, according to their function, I'd just 
> do
> this myself. This is how I do things in Android, and I think I prefer this 
> behavior.
> After giving it some time, if I still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send 
> Apple my
> feedback. BTW, is there a setting to change how the library is organized? I
> apologize, but I haven't looked for one myself yet.
> >
> > I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good 
> > thing.
> I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to them my
> flicking right on the first page.
> >
> > Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up 
> > the
> library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but in 
> case I
> have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the library directly.
> >
> > --
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> > Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> >> Of Wayne Merritt
> >> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library
> screen?
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to
> >> hide pages 2- 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I
> >> swipe
> >> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use
> >> its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One
> >> thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the top
> >> of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those apps I 
> >> just got.
> >> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
> >> noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
> >> page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
> >> and notifications screen. In iOS 14, your home screens actually start
> >> on page 1. I'm glad they made this change since it was confusing when
> >> talking about the page numbers at times with students and others.
> >>
> >> Have fun,
> >> Wayne Merritt
> >>
> >> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >>> Hi Anna,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
> >>> used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
> >>> off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
> >>> access the App library at some point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
> >>> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
> >>> library screen?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Alan,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often.
> >>> That makes it quicker to get to the library.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Anna
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi List,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
> >>> podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about
> >>> is the
> >> App library.
> >>> The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
> >>> page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
> >>> organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I
> >>> have
> >>> 14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the
> >>> organizing I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access
> >>> it. Can those of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if
> >>> asking Siri to open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is
> >>> there an alternative way to
> >> access it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance f

Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Mary Otten]

Remember that if you are on a beta, you need to use the feedback tool when 
reporting bugs. If you report something in a beta to Apple accessibility, they 
will blow you off. Been there, done that before.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Afik Souffir  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Yes, its happends to me to.
> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>  
> Please folks, any such issues report straight to
> accessibil...@apple.com
>  
> Afik.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14
>  
> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then 
> flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I 
> entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past 
> it to the next element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I 
> wanted it.
> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>  
> Kim
> 
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mary,

It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you are doing well. Yes, that’s what I 
suspected. I’ll have to make a decision but I’d like to get a phone with 5G 
capability. We shall see when the time comes. The SC is tempting, I must say. 
I’ve heard so many good things about that phone, I am tempted to get one of 
those.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mary 
Otten 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:54:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Hi Les,
I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes 
out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and 
presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The 
biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t 
really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on 
AppleVis.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>
> Hi Mark and Aul,
>
> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. 
> Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. 
> Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I 
> prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any 
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Family,
>>
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>> a later model.
>>
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>
>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Mary Otten]

Hi Les,
I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus comes 
out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better battery, and 
presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to recommend. The 
biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. And you don’t 
really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe somewhere on 
AppleVis.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark and Aul,
> 
> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. 
> Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. 
> Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I 
> prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any 
> assistance.
> Best regards,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Family,
>> 
>> 1.
>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>> 
>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>> 
>> 3.
>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>> a later model.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>> 
>> I hope you are all doing well.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Also happens in the app store when reviewing available updates.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

 

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.

I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

 

Kim

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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Shirley Baker]

Yes, I am talking about the chimes within accessibility. Wonder why it worked 
in IOS 13 and not in 14.0? I have everything set the way it's supposed to be.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about the Chimes on the watch under accessibility?
> Asking because you mentioned your watch. My series 3 watch is not
> getting those chimes either since the update. It's a very tiny chime
> at best and the haptic is more defined than the sound. but I actually
> don't think it's workong in my Series 3 watch where it did before.
> If you're talking about the chime app for the iPhone, that hasn't
> worked for me since iOs 8 or so. I know it works for Richard, we've
> been there before on this, but there's nothing I can get it to do on
> our 6S+ or 8+ here.
> 
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Jed Barton  wrote:
>> Is the app just called chimes?
>> 
>>> On 9/18/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>> I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I
>>> turn
>>> prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications
>>> where
>>> you could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to
>>> pair
>>> the watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it
>>> work. My alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid
>>> of
>>> breathe or at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner
 
 wrote:
 
 
 Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
 Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to
 allow on lock screen and sounds are on?
 
 
 
 
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
 Edward Herbert
 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
>> wrote:
>> 
> I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the
> half hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I
> need
> to do to make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my
> update finally downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!
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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Shirley Baker]

No. Chimes is in the watch app in accessibility.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Is the app just called chimes?
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I turn
>> prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications where
>> you could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to pair
>> the watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it
>> work. My alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid of
>> breathe or at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
>>> Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to
>>> allow on lock screen and sounds are on?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
> wrote:
> 
 I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the
 half hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need
 to do to make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my
 update finally downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!
 
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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Maria Campbell]

I still haven't found the app library.


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On 9/18/2020 1:10 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I can 
hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good 
feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is 
organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather 
just have an alphabatized list of my apps. If I wanted them organized, 
according to their function, I'd just do this myself. This is how I do things 
in Android, and I think I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I 
still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a 
setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I haven't 
looked for one myself yet.

I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good thing. 
I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to them my 
flicking right on the first page.

Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up the 
library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but in case 
I have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the library directly.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
screen?

For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to hide 
pages 2-
5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use its own
organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One thing I like about 
the
App Library is there's a section near the top of recently installed apps, which
makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I noticed 
something
yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, page 2 was the first home
screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets and notifications screen. In iOS 14,
your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this change
since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at times with
students and others.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hi Anna,



I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
access the App library at some point.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
library screen?



Hi Alan,



You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That
makes it quicker to get to the library.



Best,

Anna







On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,



I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about is the

App library.

The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have
14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the organizing
I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access it. Can those
of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if asking Siri to
open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is there an alternative way to

access it?



Thanks in advance for your help



Alan Lemly



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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mark and Aul,

Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be purchasing 
new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am not gonna 
upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, however. Will I be 
using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I would be. Are there any 
resources or books that you were anybody can recommend as I prepare to go from 
the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Deb Cook Lewis]

Are you talking about the Chimes on the watch under accessibility?
Asking because you mentioned your watch. My series 3 watch is not
getting those chimes either since the update. It's a very tiny chime
at best and the haptic is more defined than the sound. but I actually
don't think it's workong in my Series 3 watch where it did before.
If you're talking about the chime app for the iPhone, that hasn't
worked for me since iOs 8 or so. I know it works for Richard, we've
been there before on this, but there's nothing I can get it to do on
our 6S+ or 8+ here.


On 9/18/20, Jed Barton  wrote:
> Is the app just called chimes?
>
> On 9/18/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I
>> turn
>> prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications
>> where
>> you could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to
>> pair
>> the watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it
>> work. My alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid
>> of
>> breathe or at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
>>> Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to
>>> allow on lock screen and sounds are on?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>>> Edward Herbert
>>>
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
> wrote:
>
 I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the
 half hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I
 need
 to do to make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my
 update finally downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

[lenron brown]

Even in 2005 wich was another really bad year. We didn't even make it
to this many hurricanes so soon. The reality is we are killing the
planet and we are seeing how things will play out if we continue. I
really need to start looking into the best weather apps, honestly
thought we was going to get Salley here, and that would have been a
mess after having Laura tare up the southwest part of the state.

On 9/18/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Hollie, what is the AWI?
>
> -Original Message-
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> and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress
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> Vivian:
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> Here in Spokane now the AQI is down to 162 and going to clear out totally by
> Saturday.  Hurray!
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RE: VO and Bluetooth Speakers in iOS 14

[chaltain]

I'm not sure what you mean by easier, but prior to IOS 14, they added the 
ability to put the audio destination in the roter. I find this pretty easy, but 
I just find it kind of hit and miss with my devices. It works fine on my JVL 
speaker but it doesn't work at all when I use my Google Homes as a Bluetooth 
speaker.

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> 
> I was under the impression that there would be an easier way to have VO speech
> output through the iPhone's speakers while other audio was playing on a
> Bluetooth device in iOS 14. I haven't seen anything about this on AppleVis; 
> does
> anyone know if this happened?
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RE: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[chaltain]

Now that I have this feature in IOS 14, I'll need to rearrange things so I can 
hide those apps I don't use very frequently. I think this will be a good 
feature once I do that. So far, I don't think I like how the library is 
organizing my apps though. I think if I'm going into the library I'd rather 
just have an alphabatized list of my apps. If I wanted them organized, 
according to their function, I'd just do this myself. This is how I do things 
in Android, and I think I prefer this behavior. After giving it some time, if I 
still feel this way, I'll go ahead and send Apple my feedback. BTW, is there a 
setting to change how the library is organized? I apologize, but I haven't 
looked for one myself yet.

I too noticed the change in page numbering, which I also think is a good thing. 
I was worried that the widgets were gone, but you can still get to them my 
flicking right on the first page.

Finally, I do think it would be nice to have a gesture where I can bring up the 
library directly. I may get down to just one home page like Wayne, but in case 
I have a few pages, it would be nice to be able to get to the library directly.

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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library 
> screen?
> 
> For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to hide 
> pages 2-
> 5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
> 3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use its own
> organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One thing I like 
> about the
> App Library is there's a section near the top of recently installed apps, 
> which
> makes it easier to find those apps I just got.
> Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I noticed 
> something
> yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions, page 2 was the first home
> screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets and notifications screen. In iOS 
> 14,
> your home screens actually start on page 1. I'm glad they made this change
> since it was confusing when talking about the page numbers at times with
> students and others.
> 
> Have fun,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> > Hi Anna,
> >
> >
> >
> > I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom
> > used individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them
> > off home screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to
> > access the App library at some point.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
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> > Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App
> > library screen?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> >
> >
> > You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That
> > makes it quicker to get to the library.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi List,
> >
> >
> >
> > I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various
> > podcasts on some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about is the
> App library.
> > The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen
> > page and do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never
> > organized my apps into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have
> > 14 screens of them. I'm hoping the App library will do the organizing
> > I've not done but I'd like an alternative way to access it. Can those
> > of you who have already installed iOS 14 tell me if asking Siri to
> > open the App library will work? If that doesn't, is there an alternative 
> > way to
> access it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help
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Re: Spectrum TV app

[Maria Campbell]

I don't do that so I don't know.


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On 9/18/2020 12:44 PM, Peter Logan wrote:


So, you are able to play DVR recordings on the phone?  That is the 
only part of the app that isn’t working as expected.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Maria Campbell

*Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 12:41 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Spectrum TV app

The app works fine on my iPhone7.

Maria Campbell
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On 9/18/2020 9:42 AM, Peter Logan wrote:

Hello, those of you who have the Spectrum TV app .  are you able
to play any DVR recordings?  Since the first beta of 14 came out
this hasn’t worked ..  they had a release of the app yesterday
after the official release of 14, but the issue still exists. 
When I try to watch something, I get a message saying “unable to
complete request”.  Works fine on my Apple TV, and  PC.

I did report this to Spectrum .. but wanted to see if anyone else
is having the same issue.  I did uninstall and all that and no
change ..

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RE: Spectrum TV app

[Peter Logan]

So, you are able to play DVR recordings on the phone?  That is the only part of 
the app that isn’t working as expected.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spectrum TV app

 

The app works fine on my iPhone7.

 

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On 9/18/2020 9:42 AM, Peter Logan wrote:

Hello, those of you who have the Spectrum TV app .  are you able to play any 
DVR recordings?  Since the first beta of 14 came out this hasn’t worked ..  
they had a release of the app yesterday after the official release of 14, but 
the issue still exists.  When I try to watch something, I get a message saying 
“unable to complete request”.  Works fine on my Apple TV, and  PC.

 

I did report this to Spectrum .. but wanted to see if anyone else is having the 
same issue.  I did uninstall and all that and no change ..

 

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Re: Spectrum TV app

[Maria Campbell]

The app works fine on my iPhone7.


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On 9/18/2020 9:42 AM, Peter Logan wrote:


Hello, those of you who have the Spectrum TV app .  are you able to 
play any DVR recordings?  Since the first beta of 14 came out this 
hasn’t worked ..  they had a release of the app yesterday after the 
official release of 14, but the issue still exists.  When I try to 
watch something, I get a message saying “unable to complete request”.  
Works fine on my Apple TV, and  PC.


I did report this to Spectrum .. but wanted to see if anyone else is 
having the same issue.  I did uninstall and all that and no change ..


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Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Wayne Merritt]

I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the
iPhone, my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on
the Software Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to
explore by touch. Granted, the behavior is annoying.

Wayne

On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
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> Yes, its happends to me to.
> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>
> Please folks, any such issues report straight to
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> Afik.
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under
> iOS14
>
> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then
> flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I
> entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past
> it to the next element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where
> I wanted it.
> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>
> Kim
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RE: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

[davycuppens]

Thanx fort hat Richard but I understand Mary in her request and I have also 
done a friendly mail to accessibility to make "delete" first again in the rotor 
action.
Davy 

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Verzonden: vrijdag 18 september 2020 5:55
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

It pins a message at the top of the list.
So you can find important messages more quickly by pinning them at the top.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:53 PM
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What does pin do?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, apparently flicking up gets Drag, flicking down gets Pin.  Down again 
> and you have delete.
> I would have put delete first, then pin.  I'm not sure what the heck drag 
> does anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:14 PM
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> Subject: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages
> 
> In messages in iOS 13, if you were in your list of received messages, one 
> little flick will get you to the delete button. It seems they’ve added stuff, 
> and now delete is two flicks away. Maybe not a big deal. But I have to assume 
> that deleting would be far more useful than dragging a message. So why did 
> they have to put drag right next to activate? Pin is kind of useless to in my 
> view, but other people probably have a use for it. Still, it seems to me that 
> delete is the most common thing that people do once they read a text message. 
> Unless they open the message and actually reply of course
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Low Vision features or fixes in iOS 14?

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. What are the new features for people with some sight, that are in Zoom 
or Magnifier, in iOS 14?
Thanks.
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[Afik Souffir]

Hi Mark,
I have Ios 14 on iphone 8, and it’s working just fine.
About zoom, can we do it not to late for Israel?
Afik

Sent from my Iphone

> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Family,
> 
> 1.
> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
> 
> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
> 
> 2.
> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
> descriptions were set to off, by default.
> 
> 3.
> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
> a later model.
> 
> 4.
> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
> off.  Just have to wait and see.
> 
> 5.
> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> Mark
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Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

[M. Taylor]

Hello Family,

1.
I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.

Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.

2.
I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
descriptions were set to off, by default.

3.
My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
a later model.

4.
Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
off.  Just have to wait and see.

5.
I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Jed Barton]

Is the app just called chimes?

On 9/18/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I turn
> prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications where
> you could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to pair
> the watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it
> work. My alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid of
> breathe or at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
>> Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to
>> allow on lock screen and sounds are on?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
 wrote:

>>> I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the
>>> half hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need
>>> to do to make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my
>>> update finally downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Afik Souffir]

Yes, its happends to me to.
I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.

Please folks, any such issues report straight to
accessibil...@apple.com

Afik.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

Kim
Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

[Kimberly]

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

Kim

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Ios 14 and the pages on your phone

[Casey]

Before upgrading to ios 14 the pates like the selection to choose what 
page you go to.


Was on the left of your screen just above the phone in your dock.

Now when i upgraded it is moved over is that the way it is now or can 
you put this back and if so how?


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VO and Bluetooth Speakers in iOS 14

[K. Scott Carlson]

I was under the impression that there would be an easier way to have VO speech 
output through the iPhone's speakers while other audio was playing on a 
Bluetooth device in iOS 14. I haven't seen anything about this on AppleVis; 
does anyone know if this happened?

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Re: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Pin puts the message thread at the top. You can pin up to 8 conversations so 
they're always at the top and easy to find.


> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> What does pin do?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, apparently flicking up gets Drag, flicking down gets Pin.  Down again 
>> and you have delete.
>> I would have put delete first, then pin.  I'm not sure what the heck drag 
>> does anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:14 PM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages
>> 
>> In messages in iOS 13, if you were in your list of received messages, one 
>> little flick will get you to the delete button. It seems they’ve added 
>> stuff, and now delete is two flicks away. Maybe not a big deal. But I have 
>> to assume that deleting would be far more useful than dragging a message. So 
>> why did they have to put drag right next to activate? Pin is kind of useless 
>> to in my view, but other people probably have a use for it. Still, it seems 
>> to me that delete is the most common thing that people do once they read a 
>> text message. Unless they open the message and actually reply of course
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library screen?

[Wayne Merritt]

For what it's worth, I have 5 pages of apps. In iOS 14, I was able to
hide pages 2-5, so that I have my main home screen of apps. If I swipe
3 fingers left I'm in the App Library. Also, the App Library will use
its own organizational structure to sort your apps into folders. One
thing I like about the App Library is there's a section near the top
of recently installed apps, which makes it easier to find those apps I
just got.
Finally, though it's not directly related to the App Library, I
noticed something yesterday when exploring. In prior iOS versions,
page 2 was the first home screen of apps, and page 1 was the widgets
and notifications screen. In iOS 14, your home screens actually start
on page 1. I'm glad they made this change since it was confusing when
talking about the page numbers at times with students and others.

Have fun,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/17/20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Hi Anna,
>
>
>
> I heard about that new feature as well as the ability to edit seldom used
> individual apps and send them to the App library to clear them off home
> screens. But I'm still hoping for an alternative way to access the App
> library at some point.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Is there an alternative way to access the iOS 14 App library
> screen?
>
>
>
> Hi Alan,
>
>
>
> You can hide the pages of apps that you don't access very often. That makes
> it quicker to get to the library.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi List,
>
>
>
> I haven't installed iOS 14 yet but have been reviewing various podcasts on
> some of its new features. One of those I'm excited about is the App library.
> The way to access the App library is to go to your last home screen page and
> do a 3 finger swipe left. The problem is that I've never organized my apps
> into folders and since I have a lot of apps, I have 14 screens of them. I'm
> hoping the App library will do the organizing I've not done but I'd like an
> alternative way to access it. Can those of you who have already installed
> iOS 14 tell me if asking Siri to open the App library will work? If that
> doesn't, is there an alternative way to access it?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help
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Re: Need Help with Chimes

[Shirley Baker]

I see chimes in accessibility and I have everything turned on. Should I turn 
prominent on or leave default on? I never saw chimes in notifications where you 
could turn it on on the locked screen. Chimes worked until I had to pair the 
watch again. I just can't figure out what is not turned on to make it work. My 
alarms go off when they are supposed to. Also, how do I get rid of breathe or 
at least turn it off?I have the series 3 watch with cellular.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
> Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to 
> allow on lock screen and sounds are on?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>> 
>> I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the half 
>> hour but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need to do to 
>> make chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my update finally 
>> downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!
>> 
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Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[ליאל בן סימון]

,yes i had tryed everything  that's not helped.
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 17:40, ‏‏Richard Turner ‏ 
> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> 
> Have you cleared out the app switcher and rebooted?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 7:34 AM, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice  Over. When i am. 
>> Entering to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice  
>> Over crashing to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my  braille display in 
>> Hebrew language only in English.
>> 
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>> 
>>> ‫ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, ‏‏Devin Prater ‏ 
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>> 
>>> 
>>> VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, 
>>> that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible 
>>> apps, not system wide.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> sent from Gmail.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner 
  wrote:
 Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
 The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the 
 drawing board and not released.
 It is mostly useless.
 
 
 
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
 Edward Herbert
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
 Applevis.com
 
 My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything 
 that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as 
 messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in 
 settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, 
 and it seems to be fine.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Cristóbal Muñoz
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
 Applevis.com
 
 Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?
 
 Cristóbal
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
 Applevis.com
 
 Hi, 
 I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send 
 anything to Apple.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Cristóbal Muñoz
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
 Applevis.com
 
 As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid 
 of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen 
 recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as 
 before.
 It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO 
 element bug either. 
 https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0
 I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I 
 provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did.
 Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could 
 share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. 
 I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She 
 said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked 
 and swiped.
 Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out 
 to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and 
 disruptive bug.
 
 Cristóbal
 
 -Original Message-

Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[Richard Turner]

Have you cleared out the app switcher and rebooted?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 18, 2020, at 7:34 AM, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:


Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice  Over. When i am. Entering 
to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice  Over crashing 
to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my  braille display in Hebrew language only 
in English.

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, ‏‏Devin Prater ‏ כתב/ה:‬


VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that 
is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, not 
system wide.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the 
drawing board and not released.
It is mostly useless.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
Applevis.com

My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything that 
goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages or 
Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I 
finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to 
be fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
Applevis.com

Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
Applevis.com

Hi,
I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything 
to Apple.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
Applevis.com

As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of 
whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition 
feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before.
It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element 
bug either. 
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0
I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I 
provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did.
Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could 
share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I 
needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that 
it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped.
Goes without saying, if others 

Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[ליאל בן סימון]

Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice  Over. When i am. Entering 
to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice  Over crashing 
to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my  braille display in Hebrew language only 
in English.

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, ‏‏Devin Prater ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> 
> VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that 
> is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, 
> not system wide.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
>> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the 
>> drawing board and not released.
>> It is mostly useless.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
>> Applevis.com
>> 
>> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything 
>> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as 
>> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in 
>> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, 
>> and it seems to be fine.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Cristóbal Muñoz
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
>> Applevis.com
>> 
>> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
>> Applevis.com
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send 
>> anything to Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Cristóbal Muñoz
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
>> Applevis.com
>> 
>> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of 
>> whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition 
>> feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before.
>> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO 
>> element bug either. 
>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0
>> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I 
>> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did.
>> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could 
>> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I 
>> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said 
>> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and 
>> swiped.
>> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to 
>> Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and 
>> disruptive bug.
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
>> Merritt
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from 
>> Applevis.com
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone 
>> after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no 
>> issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it.
>> Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 
>> until Apple puts out fixes.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>> > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even 
>> > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It 
>> > really does make apps unusable.
>> >
>> 

RE: Need Help with Chimes

[Richard Turner]

It is still chiming along on my phones, SE 2020 and 11.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andrew 
J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Need Help with Chimes

Hey Richard, Chime stopped working again… It was fine until this morning.. I 
have it set for 1:00am to 11:00pm.  My other phone the 6s is working fine.  
Andy and Shubert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Help with Chimes

Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"
Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to allow 
on lock screen and sounds are on?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
mailto:shirleyba...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the half hour 
but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need to do to make 
chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my update finally 
downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!

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RE: Need Help with Chimes

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hey Richard, Chime stopped working again… It was fine until this morning.. I 
have it set for 1:00am to 11:00pm.  My other phone the 6s is working fine.  
Andy and Shubert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Help with Chimes

 

Did you double tap on the place it says "On?"

Also, did you make sure that in Notification settings you have it set to allow 
on lock screen and sounds are on?

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

I have my chimes set to bells and they are supposed to go off on the half hour 
but they are not and I have that selected. What else do I need to do to make 
chimes work? I have the series 3 watch. Since getting my update finally 
downloaded, everything else is working fine at last!

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RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

[Carolyn]

Hollie, what is the AWI? 

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and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Vivian:
 
Here in Spokane now the AQI is down to 162 and going to clear out totally by 
Saturday.  Hurray!

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How to access tweet attachments in Twitter notifications?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I'm getting more tweets in my Twitter notifications that have attachments.
How do I access those attachments from the notification tweet? I'm running
iOS 13.7 on an SE 2020.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[Wayne Merritt]

I would be interested to know what phones/devices people have who are
experiencing many issues, such as with Screen/VO Recognition? I have
an iPhone XR and, though there has been some lag with recognition, it
is working good for me. Perhaps these issues and sluggishness are
happening on older iPhones.

Jmt,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/18/20, Devin Prater  wrote:
> VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings,
> that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible
> apps, not system wide.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
>> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the
>> drawing board and not released.
>> It is mostly useless.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
>> Applevis.com
>>
>> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything
>> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as
>> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in
>> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone,
>> and it seems to be fine.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Cristóbal Muñoz
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
>> Applevis.com
>>
>> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?
>>
>> Cristóbal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
>> Applevis.com
>>
>> Hi,
>> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send
>> anything to Apple.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Cristóbal Muñoz
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
>> Applevis.com
>>
>> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid
>> of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen
>> recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working
>> as
>> before.
>> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO
>> element bug either.
>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0
>> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I
>> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I
>> did.
>> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I
>> could
>> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet.
>> I
>> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She
>> said
>> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and
>> swiped.
>> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out
>> to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and
>> disruptive bug.
>>
>> Cristóbal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
>> Applevis.com
>>
>> For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's
>> phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure
>> there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it.
>> Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to
>> 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>> > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even
>> > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It
>> > really does make apps unusable.
>> >
>> > The text editing

Spectrum TV app

[Peter Logan]

Hello, those of you who have the Spectrum TV app .  are you able to play any
DVR recordings?  Since the first beta of 14 came out this hasn't worked ..
they had a release of the app yesterday after the official release of 14,
but the issue still exists.  When I try to watch something, I get a message
saying "unable to complete request".  Works fine on my Apple TV, and  PC.

 

I did report this to Spectrum .. but wanted to see if anyone else is having
the same issue.  I did uninstall and all that and no change ..

 

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Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[Devin Prater]

VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings,
that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible
apps, not system wide.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the
> drawing board and not released.
> It is mostly useless.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything
> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as
> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in
> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone,
> and it seems to be fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?
>
> Cristóbal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> Hi,
> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send
> anything to Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid
> of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen
> recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as
> before.
> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO
> element bug either.
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0
> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I
> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did.
> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could
> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I
> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said
> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and
> swiped.
> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out
> to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and
> disruptive bug.
>
> Cristóbal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's
> phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure
> there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it.
> Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to
> 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even
> > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It
> > really does make apps unusable.
> >
> > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary
> > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll
> > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another
> > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked
> > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit
> field. Not… ideal.
> >
> > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just
> > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off 

Re: Just making sure that this is not an iOS 14 and voice dream reader problem with book share.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I got a message this morning, that bookshare was having problems when
I tried also to download a book from the main site.  However, using
voice dream reader for bookshare is so easy and a lot of fun.  I'd
suggest trying back later today.

On 9/18/20, Brian Moore  wrote:
> no, worked for me but that was yesterday. think its a bookshare problem
>
>
> Contact me on skype: brian.moore
> follow me on twitter:
> http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
>
> On 9/18/2020 8:43 AM, Dana Leet wrote:
>> I have iOS 14 on both of my phones, and SE 2020 and an iPhone 8. When I
>> went on to book share this morning through voice dream reader, and tried
>> to download a couple of books, they say download completed, but there are
>> errors and 0% of the books are downloaded.
>> I tried to go on the main Brookshire website to try to download them and
>> they gave me an unexpected error message as well. I wondered if anyone has
>> tried to download any books on book share this morning using iOS 14 and
>> voice dream reader and is getting the same problem? It could be that book
>> share is having problems I’m just trying to figure out the culprit.
>>
>> If you are an avid reader I have a wonderful book lovers group
>>   If you love fragrances, I have a wonderful WhatsApp group for fragrance
>> lovers. If you love to read Christian fiction, I have a wonderful WhatsApp
>> group for Christian fiction lovers and we read books together every two
>> weeks. If you are a Christian woman and want to find other Christian women
>> to fellowship and pray with you I have an awesome WhatsApp group for that
>> purpose as well. Please email me if you’re interested in any of these
>> awesome ways to connect and get to know awesome people.
>>
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