RE: Message body text field is editing

[Richard Turner]

Thanks for confirming this.
Please write Apple yet again and use my subject line.
Also, ask Freedom Scientific to ask Apple to fix this.
I’m in touch with Orbit Research on this issue.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Message body text field is editing

Hi Richard,
I use a Focus 40 fourth generation. This happens to me a lot. It is definitely 
in the way.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi


On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Greetings braille display users,
Anyone experiencing the issue of having the message pop up while writing emails 
on the iPhone or iPad, that says, “Message body text field is editing” and 
finding it getting in the way of your writing, please respond to this message 
with your experience.
Let me know which display you are using.
Brief responses preferred.

Thanks,


Richard
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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[Richard Turner]

If you do not want those rotor languages, flick up to delete and double tap.
You do not need other languages/voices unless you want them.
The only one you need is under speech, voice.



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On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:07 PM, janet gross  wrote:


Richard,
Ok under rotor languages, it says English Australia Karen button actions 
available  button, under that it says English US Samantha button actions 
available, under that it says add new languages.  I double tap on US Samantha, 
and it says selected.  I already turned off the language detection option a 
couple of days ago.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you 

Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Mike B]

I would think the switches labeled, E, and , G, would stand for electric and 
gas.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...


Hi Andy,



Thanks for the suggestions.  We did try changing the batteries, and that did 
not help.  The only switch we found has the positions labeled “E” and “G”. 
I have no idea what that means, but we tried changing it from where it was 
set at “E”, and it made no difference.



Thanks.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...



on the inside of the unit that contains the batteries, there is a 2 position 
cycling switch. You should make sure that it is set to the short cycling 
position. This will make sure that the AC or heating unit runs for a shorter 
period of time. With some installations, the batteries provide the voltage 
to the system. Try changing the batteries and see if this makes a 
difference.



Andy



  - Original Message - 

  From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 11:15 AM

  Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...



  Hi Traci,



  Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to. 
For example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often 
have to turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other 
thermometers indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached. 
Also, the button to tell you what the current temperature is does not work. 
We had an air conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has 
been cycling on and off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the 
outside unit was fluctuating.





  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...



  This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is 
the problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with 
no problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t 
get it disconnected to come to the new house.



  Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I 
found it on this website.



  https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/



  Thank you,

  Traci



  Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 wrote:



Hi Mike,



We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have 
probably had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not 
working well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.



Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find 
less workable about it?



Thanks,

Pam







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...



Hi Tracy,



We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the 
VIP Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking 
confirmation of setting changes and instructions.



Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM

Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...



We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section 
of the app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.



But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.



The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out 
of their thermostat, really?



Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.



I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule. 
I have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those 
things.





The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes 
down, you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make 
adjustments.

But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.

HTH,





Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...



Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 

RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[janet gross]

Richard,
Ok under rotor languages, it says English Australia Karen button actions 
available  button, under that it says English US Samantha button actions 
available, under that it says add new languages.  I double tap on US Samantha, 
and it says selected.  I already turned off the language detection option a 
couple of days ago.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the suggestions.  We did try changing the batteries, and that did 
not help.  The only switch we found has the positions labeled “E” and “G”.  I 
have no idea what that means, but we tried changing it from where it was set at 
“E”, and it made no difference.

Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

on the inside of the unit that contains the batteries, there is a 2 position 
cycling switch. You should make sure that it is set to the short cycling 
position. This will make sure that the AC or heating unit runs for a shorter 
period of time. With some installations, the batteries provide the voltage to 
the system. Try changing the batteries and see if this makes a difference.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Traci,

Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to.  For 
example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often have to 
turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other thermometers 
indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached.  Also, the button 
to tell you what the current temperature is does not work.  We had an air 
conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has been cycling on and 
off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the outside unit was 
fluctuating.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found it 
on this website.

https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
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they become by it."
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Re: IOS 14.5, Apple Maps and Accessing City Guides

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Jim,

I haven't tried the city guides, but have you tried flicking left and right 
with three fingers? Maybe they scroll horizontally. If not, you could try 
toggling VoiceOver and swiping with one finger.

Best,
Anna


> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:10 PM, Jim Fettgather  wrote:
> 
> Hello to the list.
> I have found that I can choose a City Guide from Apple Maps, but that when 
> the city guide is loaded, the 3 finger swipe up  or down does nothing, but 
> neither does the scroll bar, it will hot advance, even when you scroll it to 
> what should be continuing parts of a specific city guide, nothing happens 
> with Voiceover.
> I do realize that not too many people may wish to access these guides, but I 
> sure do love reading about specific geographical locations,  so I am 
> wondering if anyone has worked with these city guides in Apple Maps, IOS 14.5.
> Thanks.
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Re: Asking a question on Facebook with the IOS mobile app

[Donna Casteen]

> Yes. Facebook mobile app is the only waythat I access Facebook. I use the app 
> several times a day with no problems.

Donna

> Hello. I’d like to know if it is possible to ask a question on the Facebook 
> Mobile App with Voiceover running the latest version of Facebook and IOS 
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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[Johnna Simmons]

Hi there,

I have a question.  I have lots of music in my iTunes library.  Is thereThanks.
Johnna

Johnna Simmons

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than 
> one language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default 
> language.
> So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not 
> see Language in the rotor.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
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> 
> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
>> appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
>> phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in 
>> which I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid 
>> of her, and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was 
>> saying, so now, I did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question 
>> is how can I remove the language from my rotor as this keeps changing 
>> voices? In my rotor when I flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I 
>> flick up again voiceover reads something else I don't understand, I flick up 
>> again, voiceover reads English.  I went in to the rotors settings, and I see 
>> language is selected and it shows dim.  I double tap to deselect language, 
>> but it still shows selected-dim.  I flick up, voiceover reads move down, I 
>> flic up again voiceover reads move up, I flick up again voiceover reads 
>> activate default.  The language is still in my rotor.  I restart my phone, 
>> but then another language comes up when the phone comes on.  Does anyone 
>> know of any other way to deselect an item from the rotor, if so, I would 
>> greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know how language snuck 
>> in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't have to make 
>> another call back to Apple.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Peace Be With You.
>> 
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Re: Message body text field is editing

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Richard,
I use a Focus 40 fourth generation. This happens to me a lot. It is definitely 
in the way.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Greetings braille display users,
> Anyone experiencing the issue of having the message pop up while writing 
> emails on the iPhone or iPad, that says, “Message body text field is editing” 
> and finding it getting in the way of your writing, please respond to this 
> message with your experience. 
> Let me know which display you are using.
> Brief responses preferred.
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> Thanks,
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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[Richard Turner]

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.




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On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:


Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Andy Baracco]

on the inside of the unit that contains the batteries, there is a 2 position 
cycling switch. You should make sure that it is set to the short cycling 
position. This will make sure that the AC or heating unit runs for a shorter 
period of time. With some installations, the batteries provide the voltage to 
the system. Try changing the batteries and see if this makes a difference.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 11:15 AM
  Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...


  Hi Traci,

   

  Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to.  For 
example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often have to 
turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other thermometers 
indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached.  Also, the button 
to tell you what the current temperature is does not work.  We had an air 
conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has been cycling on and 
off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the outside unit was 
fluctuating.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

   

  This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

   

  Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found 
it on this website.

   

  https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/

   

  Thank you,

  Traci

   

  Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 wrote:

 

Hi Mike,

 

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have 
probably had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not 
working well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

 

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

 

Hi Tracy,

 

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.  

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM

Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

 

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of 
the app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

 

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

 

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

 

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

 

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I 
have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.

 

 

The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, 
you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.

But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

 

Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 
between a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your 
experience with smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in 
the article seem way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set 
programs, be able to adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

 

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/

 

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RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Asking a question on Facebook with the IOS mobile app

[jsabine]

Hello. I'd like to know if it is possible to ask a question on the Facebook
Mobile App with Voiceover running the latest version of Facebook and IOS
14-either in a status or in a group post.

 

Thanks for any information in advance.

 

Chris

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RE: EcoBee Thermostat

[sherrywells1157]

Hi Pam,

 

I recently got an Eco Bee thermostat & have mixed feelings about it.  I live in 
an apartment so maintenance installed it so I cannot comment on how easy / 
difficult that would be.  I had problems turning off the schedule.  It seems to 
default to a schedule such that the temp will go up to 72 in the morning at a 
set time & down to 65 at a set time at night.  I don’t remember if these are 
the exact default temps but you get the idea.  I could tell Alexa to change the 
schedule time but could not get rid of it altogether.  I did not want a 
schedule.  I wanted to change the temp whenever I wanted.  I wrote Eco Bee 
support & they did email me instructions on how to do this which worked nicely. 
 One nice feature of the Eco Bee is that you can set a temp range such that if 
the temp goes below 65 the heat will come on & if it goes above 75 the air 
conditioning will come on.  Of course you can set the temps to whatever you 
want.  And if you don’t want to bother with that, you can set the mode to heat 
or cool & tell it the temp you want to maintain.  

 

As someone else said, the Eco Bee is a geeks dream.  This is my first talking 
or smart thermostat.  I probably won’t use all the features offered.  But it 
does work well.  I can talk to the thermostat or to my Echo in another room to 
change temps.  I found the app a bit challenging so haven’t messed around with 
it much yet.  If I had it to do over again, I probably would have purchased 
something more basic but my Eco Bee is working well so I’m sure not going to 
change it now.

 

HTH,

Sherry Wells

 

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Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: EcoBee Thermostat

 

Hi,

 

Does anyone have experience with using the EcoBee thermostat, either with the 
app or the one that works with Alexa?  Any comments on its accessibility?

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

 

 

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IOS 14.5, Apple Maps and Accessing City Guides

[Jim Fettgather]

Hello to the list.

I have found that I can choose a City Guide from Apple Maps, but that when
the city guide is loaded, the 3 finger swipe up  or down does nothing, but
neither does the scroll bar, it will hot advance, even when you scroll it to
what should be continuing parts of a specific city guide, nothing happens
with Voiceover.

I do realize that not too many people may wish to access these guides, but I
sure do love reading about specific geographical locations,  so I am
wondering if anyone has worked with these city guides in Apple Maps, IOS
14.5.

Thanks.

 

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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[Richard Turner]

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.



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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone, 
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.  

Janet   

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RE: using the Compass with VoiceOver

[Carolyn]

That makes sense now. It has been a while since I've used it, and I never had 
that happen that much; yet, of course, I did not always go in a straight line. 
I did remember it occasionally happening though. I think the compass is 
teriffic for getting out of a large room, and Siri will launch it, so, when in 
a hurry, pretty nice thing to have. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 4:49 PM
To: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: using the Compass with VoiceOver

I do not use it very much so I just messed around with it to see what it did 
for me.




The weird noises are indicators that the phone has tipped out of a perfectly 
horizontal position.  For example, the leading edge may have dipped downward 
slightly or slightly upward.  It can also happen when the sideways position 
tips.   At least that seems to be what it is doing  for me.  I have used this 
noise for an indicator of levelness when using the spirit level function of the 
compass.





If you have haptics turned on it will do a very small bump every 25 degrees as 
you turn the phone around the horizon.  As the phone crosses the direction of 
north(360 degrees) it will give a small double bump.  It will announce a new 
degree heading every few degrees.  This seems to vary depending on how quickly 
you rotate the phone.




This is about as far as my knowledge goes so I hope it is helpful.




Dan Beaver


 


On 4/30/2021 3:58 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone wrote:


hi,
Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with 
my orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, 
the one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the direction 
and compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they mean? when you 
turn VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are there to help us 
use the Compass… any insights would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Sandy

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RE: Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

[Carolyn]

The reason for wanting this is I have a friend with a stage 4 brain tumor, and 
she keeps calling me for our friends' numbers. Now that I know I can go into 
Contacts, that will be good. Right now, she has a pretty hale and hearty voice, 
only she talks so fast and has such a strong Massachusetts accent that we all 
have a hard time understanding her. Anyway, that will make it easier for her, 
me not having to call her back. Thanks for the help, guys. 

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Hi, Carolyn.  You can do this, but it is tricky.  I usually use a headset as 
has been suggested.  I also try to adjust the volume of voice over so there's a 
way to hear both the speech and the caller.  Sometimes it helps to use a male 
voice if speaking to a female and vice versa. You should be able to do all of 
the things you listed while on a phone call.  I've gotten texts before, and 
depending on the volume, the Voice over usually drowns out the person's 
speaking.  Like I said, it does take some practice.



Lisa Belville
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On 4/30/2021 2:55 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> When in conversation on my iPhone, how do I:
>
> Check information in contacts and give it to the caller
>
> Send a text
>
> I don't see how I could receive a text and hear VoiceOver and the 
> caller, but I could send one.
>
> My daughter-in-law does all kind of things on her phone while talking.
>
>

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RE: Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

[Carolyn]

I'm not big about call on speaker, but I am big on earbuds. I have three pair 
of Apple ones - in computer desk, by living room chair, and in purse.  I'm way 
more likely to leave home without my American Express card than my earbuds. 

Probably most of you don't remember the AMEX commercial - don't leave home 
without it! 

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You can do all those things, but I would not try them without using some kind 
of earphone/headset.
You will not be able to dictate a text, but you can type one and of course read.
If you look up a contact, and you want to text it to the person, you can simply 
select share contact and then message and select the person you are talking to.
If you just want to give them the phone number, you would have to just tell 
them unless you want to go through the steps to copy just the number and then 
create a text and send it that way.

It is too distracting to me to have the call on speaker while doing this.

BTW, you cannot have the phone near your ear while you do this as the screen is 
not going to react unless you pull the phone away from your head.



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When in conversation on my iPhone, how do I:

Check information in contacts and give it to the caller

Send a text

I don't see how I could receive a text and hear VoiceOver and the caller, but I 
could send one. 

My daughter-in-law does all kind of things on her phone while talking. 


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Re: using the Compass with VoiceOver

[Dan]

  
  
I do not use it very much so I just messed
around with it to see what it did for me.

  
The weird noises are indicators that the
phone has tipped out of a perfectly horizontal position.  For
example, the leading edge may have dipped downward slightly or
slightly upward.  It can also happen when the sideways position
tips.   At least that seems to be what it is doing  for me.  I
have used this noise for an indicator of levelness when using
the spirit level function of the compass.
  

  
If you have haptics turned on it will do a
very small bump every 25 degrees as you turn the phone around
the horizon.  As the phone crosses the direction of
  north(360 degrees) it will give a small double bump.  It
will announce a new degree heading every few degrees.  This
seems to vary depending on how quickly you rotate the phone.

  
This is about as far as my knowledge goes
so I hope it is helpful.

  
Dan Beaver
  
 

On 4/30/2021 3:58 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins'
  via VIPhone wrote:


  hi,
Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with my orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, the one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the direction and compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they mean? when you turn VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are there to help us use the Compass… any insights would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Sandy

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Re: Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, Carolyn.  You can do this, but it is tricky.  I usually use a 
headset as has been suggested.  I also try to adjust the volume of voice 
over so there's a way to hear both the speech and the caller.  Sometimes 
it helps to use a male voice if speaking to a female and vice versa.  
You should be able to do all of the things you listed while on a phone 
call.  I've gotten texts before, and depending on the volume, the Voice 
over usually drowns out the person's speaking.  Like I said, it does 
take some practice.




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 4/30/2021 2:55 PM, Carolyn wrote:

When in conversation on my iPhone, how do I:

Check information in contacts and give it to the caller

Send a text

I don't see how I could receive a text and hear VoiceOver
and the caller, but I could send one.

My daughter-in-law does all kind of things on her phone
while talking.




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Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Mike B]

Since the inception of the VIP thermostats, and I've been using them 
literally since they 1st came out over 20 years ago, I can only recall 1 
failing on us.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...


This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is 
the problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with 
no problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t 
get it disconnected to come to the new house.


Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found 
it on this website.


https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/


Thank you,
Traci


Sent from my iPhone


  On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 wrote:


  
  Hi Mike,



  We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have 
probably had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not 
working well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.



  Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find 
less workable about it?



  Thanks,

  Pam







  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mike B
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...



  Hi Tracy,



  We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the 
VIP Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking 
confirmation of setting changes and instructions.



  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM

  Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...



  We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of 
the app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.



  But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.



  The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?



  Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.



  I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I 
have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those 
things.





  The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, 
you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make 
adjustments.

  But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.

  HTH,





  Richard

  "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

  - John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
  Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...



  Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 
between a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your 
experience with smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models 
in the article seem way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set 
programs, be able to adjust temperature, or turn off the system.



  Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.



  https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/



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Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Mike B]

Hi Pam,

It's only accessible via the ADT Pulse portal / website and manually of 
course.  It doesn't speak, a couple of the buttons are hard to detect and it 
has a bunch of useless settings that we'd never use.  In short, it does work 
fine since when we're only at that house a few times a year, I can control 
it via my iPhone and I have the necessary buttons and functions memorized 
when we're there.

I don't know what company makes it for ADT, but it's an ADT thermostat.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...


Hi Mike,



We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have 
probably had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not 
working well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.



Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?



Thanks,

Pam







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B
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...



Hi Tracy,



We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the 
VIP Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking 
confirmation of setting changes and instructions.



Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM

Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...



We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of 
the app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.



But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.



The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?



Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.



I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I 
have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those 
things.





The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, 
you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make 
adjustments.

But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.

HTH,





Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...



Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 
between a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your 
experience with smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models 
in the article seem way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set 
programs, be able to adjust temperature, or turn off the system.



Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.



https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/



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RE: using the Compass with VoiceOver

[Richard Turner]

Note that the compass is going to report every, tiny, tiny, movement you make.  
So if you are traveling due south at 180 degrees and you slightly turn the 
phone or take a step a little bit off, you will hear something like 179 degrees.
Are you working with an Orientation and Mobility Instructor?

It might be easier to walk with someone following you to help you gage what the 
app is telling you and when you should correct your path based on the app.

HTH,


Richard
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-Original Message-
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: using the Compass with VoiceOver

hi,
Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with my 
orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, the 
one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the direction and 
compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they mean? when you turn 
VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are there to help us use the 
Compass... any insights would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Sandy

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RE: Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

[Richard Turner]

You can do all those things, but I would not try them without using some kind 
of earphone/headset.
You will not be able to dictate a text, but you can type one and of course read.
If you look up a contact, and you want to text it to the person, you can simply 
select share contact and then message and select the person you are talking to.
If you just want to give them the phone number, you would have to just tell 
them unless you want to go through the steps to copy just the number and then 
create a text and send it that way.

It is too distracting to me to have the call on speaker while doing this.

BTW, you cannot have the phone near your ear while you do this as the screen is 
not going to react unless you pull the phone away from your head.



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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

When in conversation on my iPhone, how do I:

Check information in contacts and give it to the caller

Send a text

I don't see how I could receive a text and hear VoiceOver and the caller, but I 
could send one. 

My daughter-in-law does all kind of things on her phone while talking. 


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using the Compass with VoiceOver

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Wonderful  if anyone can help: I need to use the compass to help with my 
orientation while crossing roads. I Dhoni just begun playing with this app, the 
one that came built-in with the iOS, I can get it to announce the direction and 
compass point, but it also makes gloop noises, what do they mean? when you turn 
VoiceOver off, these  go away, so, I imagine, they are there to help us use the 
Compass… any insights would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

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Performing tasks on iPhone, while taking part in a phone call.

[Carolyn]

When in conversation on my iPhone, how do I:

Check information in contacts and give it to the caller

Send a text

I don't see how I could receive a text and hear VoiceOver
and the caller, but I could send one. 

My daughter-in-law does all kind of things on her phone
while talking. 


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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Traci,

Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to.  For 
example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often have to 
turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other thermometers 
indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached.  Also, the button 
to tell you what the current temperature is does not work.  We had an air 
conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has been cycling on and 
off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the outside unit was 
fluctuating.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found it 
on this website.

https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Traci Duncan]

This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found it 
on this website.

https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mike,
>  
> We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have 
> probably had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not 
> working well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.
>  
> Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
> workable about it?
>  
> Thanks,
> Pam
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...
>  
> Hi Tracy,
>  
> We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
> thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the 
> VIP Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking 
> confirmation of setting changes and instructions. 
>  
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...
>  
> We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
> app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.
>  
> But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.
>  
> The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
> their thermostat, really?
>  
> Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
> thermostats.
>  
> I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I 
> have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those 
> things.
>  
>  
> The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, 
> you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make 
> adjustments.
> But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
> HTH,
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...
>  
> Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 
> between a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your 
> experience with smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in 
> the article seem way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set 
> programs, be able to adjust temperature, or turn off the system.
>  
> Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.
>  
> https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/
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[Richard Turner]

Greetings braille display users,
Anyone experiencing the issue of having the message pop up while writing emails 
on the iPhone or iPad, that says, "Message body text field is editing" and 
finding it getting in the way of your writing, please respond to this message 
with your experience.
Let me know which display you are using.
Brief responses preferred.

Thanks,


Richard
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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Richard Turner]

BTW, I just took another stab at the scheduling feature in the Total Connect 
Comfort app that works with Honeywell thermostats, and I was able to adjust it 
with a little tedious double checking.
But it is better than it was and it is mostly accessible.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi all, I'm in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/

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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi all, I'm in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/

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Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Mike B]

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the 
VIP Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking 
confirmation of setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...


We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of 
the app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.



But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.



The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?



Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.



I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I 
have not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those 
things.





The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, 
you would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make 
adjustments.

But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.

HTH,





Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...



Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide 
between a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your 
experience with smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models 
in the article seem way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set 
programs, be able to adjust temperature, or turn off the system.



Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.



https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/



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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Richard Turner]

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi all, I'm in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/

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RE: Microphone

[Richard Turner]

Well, if the Zoom IQ 7 is still available, it is a very good microphone, 
however, you have to plug an earphone into the microphone's 3.5 MM jack to hear 
VoiceOver, and Bluetooth earphones do not work while using the microphone.

I'm curious about the Shure MD5 microphone that was mentioned, I wonder if the 
same thing happens that you cannot hear voiceover when it is plugged in since 
it is plugging into the Lightning port.
The app is accessible, but you have to switch from the record screen back to 
the library screen to hear your recording.
Of course, you should be able to use the app of your choice.
Here is a link to their page about the Shure Mic: 
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/mv5

HTH,


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Subject: RE: Microphone

I am planning to use it for interviews for a podcast we are starting with the 
NFB of SC. 

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Turner
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Subject: RE: Microphone

The question has not been asked, and I did not see it in the original post, 
what kind of recording is the microphone going to be used for?

The Zoom IQ microphones are stereo and fairly small and work best on a phone 
without a case, or at least a case that leaves the charging port completely 
open since the post on the mic for the lightning plug is very short, even after 
removing the little plastic spacer they include.

The Line 6 looks like an over the top system focused completely on music and 
more.  Check their web site for a warning about the wireless system that needs 
a firmware update.

I think the Shure Mv5 Digital condenser microphone is a unidirectional 
microphone that would be great for recording either spoken word or a person 
playing an instrument or singing.

If we are talking just spoken word, the built in microphone or microphones, 
depending on the iPhone, do a fine job though an external mic does improve 
things.



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Importance: High

the zoom mics are very nice, but I also really like the line6 sonic port vx

Simon


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Subject: Microphone


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on which external microphone they would 
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Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
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https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-thermostats/ 


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RE: Microphone

[Steve Cook]

I am planning to use it for interviews for a podcast we are starting with the 
NFB of SC. 

-Original Message-
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The question has not been asked, and I did not see it in the original post, 
what kind of recording is the microphone going to be used for?

The Zoom IQ microphones are stereo and fairly small and work best on a phone 
without a case, or at least a case that leaves the charging port completely 
open since the post on the mic for the lightning plug is very short, even after 
removing the little plastic spacer they include.

The Line 6 looks like an over the top system focused completely on music and 
more.  Check their web site for a warning about the wireless system that needs 
a firmware update.

I think the Shure Mv5 Digital condenser microphone is a unidirectional 
microphone that would be great for recording either spoken word or a person 
playing an instrument or singing.

If we are talking just spoken word, the built in microphone or microphones, 
depending on the iPhone, do a fine job though an external mic does improve 
things.



Richard
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the zoom mics are very nice, but I also really like the line6 sonic port vx

Simon


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> Hi All,
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> Does anyone have any suggestions on which external microphone they would 
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RE: EcoBee Thermostat

[Richard Turner]

I don't, but if it works with Alexa, and you have Alexa in your house, it would 
be accessible.  Whether the setup is, hopefully someone can speak to that.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: EcoBee Thermostat

Hi,

Does anyone have experience with using the EcoBee thermostat, either with the 
app or the one that works with Alexa?  Any comments on its accessibility?

Thanks,
Pam



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RE: Microphone

[Richard Turner]

The question has not been asked, and I did not see it in the original post, 
what kind of recording is the microphone going to be used for?

The Zoom IQ microphones are stereo and fairly small and work best on a phone 
without a case, or at least a case that leaves the charging port completely 
open since the post on the mic for the lightning plug is very short, even after 
removing the little plastic spacer they include.

The Line 6 looks like an over the top system focused completely on music and 
more.  Check their web site for a warning about the wireless system that needs 
a firmware update.

I think the Shure Mv5 Digital condenser microphone is a unidirectional 
microphone that would be great for recording either spoken word or a person 
playing an instrument or singing.

If we are talking just spoken word, the built in microphone or microphones, 
depending on the iPhone, do a fine job though an external mic does improve 
things.



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the zoom mics are very nice, but I also really like the line6 sonic port vx

Simon


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EcoBee Thermostat

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

Does anyone have experience with using the EcoBee thermostat, either with the 
app or the one that works with Alexa?  Any comments on its accessibility?

Thanks,
Pam



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Re: Microphone

[goshawk on horseback]

the zoom mics are very nice, but I also really like the line6 sonic port vx

Simon


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Hi All,

Does anyone have any suggestions on which external microphone they would 
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reminder alerts back on track

[deidreandlouise]

Heelo

I don't know what I tweaked that worked - banners which would not stay
selected, or something in sounds, but my alerts are once more reading the
entire title of the Reminder. Thank goodness. I've missed a few too many
alerts in the last month and don't want to have to pick my phone up and
check manually for them.

   I guess I could use the Echo, but I try to keep it
uncluttered of that kind of stuff. I'm ot sure that makes sense, but the
least build up of extraneous stuff it stores, not to my advantage, kind of
rubs me wrong.

 

   One of my Echoes went off-line and I haven't figured that out
yet either. I guess I'll call Amazon customer service for customers with
disabilities. The tech service is excellent and is very easy to get through
to quickly.

 

   Deidre

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Re: Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 14

[Fred Olver]

If you decide to order this book you will not be disappointed. I first learned 
how to use my Iphone 4 or 4S from one of Anna's first "how-to" books and have 
recommended her various works  to others. Everything is presented in 
easy-to-learn segments and described beautifully. Although you may have learned 
to use your Iphone or Ipad on the fly I'm sure you will find this book to be 
extremely easy to read and understand. Her books are probably the most 
understood volume on any aspect of technology I have ever read. Thanks. Do 
yourself a favor and get this book which will expand your knowledge on the most 
intrinzic and valuable technological advance ever to make it's way in to the 
market for blind and visually impaired individuals. In fact I think I'll order 
one myself, just for the new and updated information which I'm sure it offers. 
Available in several formats I'm sure there's one or more which will meet your 
needs. 

Fred Olver
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  Hi everyone,


  I thought some of you might want to know about this, particularly if you or a 
friend are just starting out with the iPhone.


  Best,
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Reminder alert are in the last months my reminders are not being verbally spoken or at least when the alert comes in. I hear a tone but I’m missing the actual announcement. I’m more likely to hear the

[deidre muccio]

I’m a few updates in the rears. I’m not even sure I’m on 14 yet. Or 14 two.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Microphone

[Jim Portillo]

How about the Shure Mv5 Digital condenser microphone? Very good microphone.

Sent from my iPhone 12!

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:58 AM, Steve Cook  wrote:
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Re: Microphone

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi, i am usis on Zoom Q7 and I am satisfied from it..

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-30 באפר׳ 2021, בשעה 11:57, ‏‏Steve Cook ‏ כתב/ה:‬
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Microphone

[Steve Cook]

Hi All, 

Does anyone have any suggestions on which external microphone they would 
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