RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think people have to start mentioning exactly which phone they have since as 
far as I can tell people who report having this issue all seem to be people who 
have an iPhone 14 Pro, maybe also 14 Pro Max and regular 14, not sure.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Mark,
That is not my experience at all.
It says what it should say whether the phone is locked or not.
I just retested it.
For what it is worth, I use Siri Voice 4 female as my VoiceOver voice.




Richard, USA.
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone was 
both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
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subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
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subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
> mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers?
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, 
> davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select.
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing 
> others of this problem not being a bug, this is eventually a bug!

RE: ultiple message notifications

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And what you are saying about seeing the same messages over and over, it is not 
the actual message you see but the notification either on the lock screen or in 
the notification centre (or both).
If you clear these notifications and delete the message then it's gone or, as I 
said before, you can turn off to have message alerts and previews showing on 
the lock screen or in the notification centre.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ultiple message notifications

Hello all
   I never solved the problem of having messages only announced in 
the message App which sits at the bottom of  my home screen in the Doc.
   After an update to 16, suddenly, I get the same notifications in 
something on the home paged called “the notification center.” I do not want to 
see the same things twice and have to clear them from the “notification center, 
which never clears them all out even if I hit clear, or clear all.There are too 
many options that sometimes that show that I have no need for  .

Now I have the same messages I have deleted from inside the message app coming 
back over and over again over 3 or ore days. This also never used to happen. 
Look, if I deleted a series of messages or just one, I do not want to see them 
over and over again.
I really hate redundancy.
I think it’s time to call Apple Accessibility. There appear to be two parallel 
universes when it comes to where messages are being presented. Please just 
leave them in the Message App and I will see them on the in the doc which will 
say something like 4 new messages, and I can hit on that and respond to them 
once Mess App is open. Get rid of that unnecessary other place where reminders 
and other announcements show. One reminder is enough, I don’t need a list of 
all things for the day to show up  in the notification center.
I quit!

Deidre
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RE: ultiple message notifications

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then just go to Settings > Notifications,  find Messages and make sure you 
entirely turn off notifications for messages by setting "Allow Notifications" 
to off.
Alternatively, you can leave it on and go down a bit further to the "Alerts" 
heading and make sure the following 3 items are not selected:
Allow on lockscreen
Allow in notification centre
Allow as banner

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ultiple message notifications

Hello all
   I never solved the problem of having messages only announced in 
the message App which sits at the bottom of  my home screen in the Doc.
   After an update to 16, suddenly, I get the same notifications in 
something on the home paged called “the notification center.” I do not want to 
see the same things twice and have to clear them from the “notification center, 
which never clears them all out even if I hit clear, or clear all.There are too 
many options that sometimes that show that I have no need for  .

Now I have the same messages I have deleted from inside the message app coming 
back over and over again over 3 or ore days. This also never used to happen. 
Look, if I deleted a series of messages or just one, I do not want to see them 
over and over again.
I really hate redundancy.
I think it’s time to call Apple Accessibility. There appear to be two parallel 
universes when it comes to where messages are being presented. Please just 
leave them in the Message App and I will see them on the in the doc which will 
say something like 4 new messages, and I can hit on that and respond to them 
once Mess App is open. Get rid of that unnecessary other place where reminders 
and other announcements show. One reminder is enough, I don’t need a list of 
all things for the day to show up  in the notification center.
I quit!

Deidre
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A quirky iphone issue

[colleyd1952]

I have IOS version 16.3.1 on my phone and am having an issue with all of my
bluetooth earbuds and airpods. When I start to make a call they are all
paired to my phone. But as soon as the call connects and starts to ring, or
when the person answers, they become unpaired, or at least I can no longer
hear anything using them. I either have to turn them off and back on again,
or put them back in their case for a couple of seconds and them put them
back on again. The phone is then automatically connected again. I wouldn't
think this was strange, but I have both the airpods pro II and III, the
Treks Air, and a few others, and the same thing happens no matter which pair
I am using.

 

Is there some setting I am missing or something I need to do to correct this
issue?

 

Denise 

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OverDrive app being retired

[R Van Lant]

My local library had an article in the March newsletter saying Overdrive is 
being discontinued by the developer at the end of April. We are being told to 
use Libby instead.  One thing I noticed when I was reading the benefits listed 
for Libby is that it says you can transfer books to Kindle. I haven't 
researched it to see if that means the Kindle app, wherein we could use 
VoiceOver.  I don't have the time to read more now, but saved this Libby help 
link and wanted to share, so others aren't surprised by the news.

https://help.libbyapp.com/en-us/index.htm

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RE: New clean energy charging feature on iPhones ...

[R Van Lant]

Sorry the original link didn’t work – maybe since I shared it from the app.  
Here is the link on my desktop website and the text of the article below the 
link:
https://www.denver7.com/news/technology/new-clean-energy-charging-feature-on-iphones-raising-eyebrows-among-some-users


New clean energy charging feature on iPhones raising eyebrows among some users 
(denver7.com)

DENVER — When our phone's battery gets low, we're usually in a mad dash to find 
the nearest charger to give us a boost, but a new iPhone feature intentionally 
charges at a slower rate to help the environment.
Apple caused quite the stir on social media with the new feature called clean 
energy charging. One Twitter user wrote, “They snuck this in on us.” Another 
said, “If you noticed your iPhone is charging a little slower recently, it may 
be due to a new updated setting Apple added.”
The feature is set to the "on" position as a default, but it’s easy to turn 
off. Those with iPhones can go their phone’s settings, then battery, then 
battery health and charging and then clean energy charging. You then click 
"off."
“Apple is moving toward reducing the carbon footprint of all of our devices,” 
said Dr. Steve Beaty, professor and chair of computer sciences at Metropolitan 
State University of Denver.
The feature slows your phone’s charge during peak hours of electrical use. It 
also uses location information to slow your charge if you’re in a region of the 
country where the grid uses higher carbon emission electricity and less solar 
and wind.
Experts are at odds about whether this is good or bad.
“Most people think, and I think appropriately, ‘Hey, it’s my iPhone at my 
house. How much could it matter?’ But when we start looking at hundreds of 
millions of devices all over the world, to a certain degree, why not do this? 
Why not slow things down?” said Beaty.
“I don’t think this really appeals to the younger generation,” said Darin 
Duber-Smith, senior lecturer at MSU Denver and green energy consultant. “I 
think they’re very cynical about whether companies can really do anything about 
trying to save the planet, and rightfully so. These companies can really do 
nothing more than minimize their negative impact on the environment. They can’t 
really help the environment.”
Duber-Smith says green energy initiatives are putting more stress on the grid, 
and companies like Apple are working with the government to modify consumer 
behaviors because of that stress.
“It’s green washing,” he said. “It’s when you’re trying to make your company 
look more sustainable or greener than they really are. The grid is very 
stressed, and as we put more onto the grid, i.e. electric cars, it’s only going 
to get more stressed.”
On the other hand, Beaty sees this feature as encouraging smart consumption 
among phone users and says the location feature is intuitive.
“It won’t slow down charging at what it considers an unusual place,” Beaty 
said. “So, for example, it might slow down charging in the evening at your 
home, but it won’t slow down if you’re plugged in to a charger at an airport or 
hotel.”
“If I was Apple, I wouldn’t use the term clean energy,” said Duber-Smith. “I 
think that’s the problem. What you’re really doing is, it’s an energy saver 
function.”

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New clean energy charging feature on iPhones ...

I also got the page not pound message, so I got google to find it. Look under 
battery, battery health and charging.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Feb 27, 2023, at 10:56 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi when I looked at this link I got a page not found message. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: February 27, 2023 9:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New clean energy charging feature on iPhones ...

Just read this news story. As it notes, my iPhone SE 2020 had the clean energy 
setting turned on, so I turned it off. I’m usually in a hurry to charge my 
phone, so I don’t want anything to slow it down.

New clean energy charging feature on iPhones raising eyebrows among some users
https://www.denver7.com/decodedc/technology/new-clean-energy-charging-feature-on-iphones-raising-eyebrows-among-some-users

Robin in Colorado
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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Richard Turner]

Has anyone experiencing this behavior called Apple Accessibility? If so, was there a resolution?Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Mar 1, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
  

  
  
So right! Isn't that interesting!


On 2/28/2023 9:10 PM, Lielle Ben
  Simonליאל בן סימון wrote:


  
  Hi, it happens to me, but just when the screen is
locked.
I use iPhone 14 Pro and running iOS 16.3.1.
When I open my device VO reads it correctly.
  
  
מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
0509549090
לדף העסקי שלי:
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‫ב-28 בפבר׳ 2023, בשעה 22:19,
  ‏‏Katrina Anderson ‏
  כתב/ה:‬
  

  
  
Hi All,
  
  So weird.  I was preparing to write this message,
because I heard "unmuted" when sliding the switch back
or forward on my 14 Pro with the latest iOS 16 version.
  VO is Samantha...not enhanced.  I then saw Sieghard's
suggestion to clear apps and reboot, so I did that; no
change.   I started typing this message, and for
whatever reason chose to check the switch again.  VO
spoke "muted"  "unmuted" appropriately.  Things seemed
good, but before sending this message, I checked again,
and VO says "unmuted" no matter the position.  LOL 
  
  It isn't a huge problem for me, but it should be
checked out, and hopefully fixed, so I will notify Apple
Accessibility.
  
  Katrina
  
   when I move the mute switch to either position.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of Carolyn
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 1:02 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
  
  I'm using Samantha Enhanced. I just tried it to be
sure, and mine just unmuted either way. 
  
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica
Barr
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
  
  Hi,
  On my iPhone 14 Pro, VoiceOver always says "unmuted"
whichever way the mute switch is pushed as well. I am
using Nathan Enhanced.
  
  - Original Message -
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 11:31 AM
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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Steve Matzura]

And others have reported the same behavior as me.


On 2/28/2023 11:15 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Steve,

That is most interesting and you should probably investigate why this is 
happening just for you. It seems unlikely that all three of the devices you 
mentioned have hardware issues so it must be something with their settings. As 
others have reported, VoiceOver speaks muted and unmuted correctly on my iPhone 
13 Mini when the switch is activated or deactivated.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 28, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If I move the switch 
on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 
Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the 
phone sounds are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and restored 
when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?




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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Carolyn]

I'm running 14 Pro, but get unmuted regardless, with screen locked. \

Incidentally, I tried Siri 4, and it said something every time I flicked pass 
somethings, like settings zoom or some word, I couldn't quite hear what it 
said. I just went back to Samantha Enhanced. 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi Richard, I get the same results as you. And I'm running a 14.

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On Mar 1, 2023, at 9:24 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:

Mark,
That is not my experience at all.
It says what it should say whether the phone is locked or not.
I just retested it.
For what it is worth, I use Siri Voice 4 female as my VoiceOver voice.




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the 
phone was both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the 
switch when the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jennie Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or 
unmuted as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says 
whatever it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the 
phone will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, 
all is well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi 


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as 
it's suppose to.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe 
not. If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone 
sounds are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the 
phone, and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Carolyn]

I can move my switch up and down, but I've tried three voices, and with screen 
locked, it is always unmuted regardless of where the switch is, or, that is, it 
always says unmuted. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Could that be because the switch is locked as well?

Andy

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2023 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"


OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone 
was both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch 
when the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jennie Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or 
unmuted as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says 
whatever it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, 
the phone will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it 
again, all is well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, 
and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[janet gross]

Hello Everyone,
I am running a XR phone iOS 16.3.1.  When my phone is unlocked, and I switch 
the mute button off, Samantha says muted, when I switch back she says unmuted, 
which is right.  But, when my phone is locked, I press the mute button off, and 
Samantha says nothing, I press the mute button the other way, Samantha says 
nothing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi Richard, I get the same results as you. And I'm running a 14.
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On Mar 1, 2023, at 9:24 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Mark,
That is not my experience at all.
It says what it should say whether the phone is locked or not.
I just retested it.
For what it is worth, I use Siri Voice 4 female as my VoiceOver voice.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny's post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone was 
both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, "Unmuted."

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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Re: ultiple message notifications

[alban hoxha]

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 8:16:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: ultiple message notifications


Hello all

   I never solved the problem of having messages only announced in 
the message App which sits at the bottom of  my home screen in the Doc.

   After an update to 16, suddenly, I get the same notifications in 
something on the home paged called “the notification center.” I do not want to 
see the same things twice and have to clear them from the “notification center, 
which never clears them all out even if I hit clear, or clear all.There are too 
many options that sometimes that show that I have no need for  .

Now I have the same messages I have deleted from inside the message app coming 
back over and over again over 3 or ore days. This also never used to happen. 
Look, if I deleted a series of messages or just one, I do not want to see them 
over and over again.

I really hate redundancy.

I think it’s time to call Apple Accessibility. There appear to be two parallel 
universes when it comes to where messages are being presented. Please just 
leave them in the Message App and I will see them on the in the doc which will 
say something like 4 new messages, and I can hit on that and respond to them 
once Mess App is open. Get rid of that unnecessary other place where reminders 
and other announcements show. One reminder is enough, I don’t need a list of 
all things for the day to show up  in the notification center.

I quit!



Deidre

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ultiple message notifications

[deidreandlouise]

Hello all

   I never solved the problem of having messages only announced
in the message App which sits at the bottom of  my home screen in the Doc.

   After an update to 16, suddenly, I get the same notifications
in something on the home paged called "the notification center." I do not
want to see the same things twice and have to clear them from the
"notification center, which never clears them all out even if I hit clear,
or clear all.There are too many options that sometimes that show that I have
no need for  .

Now I have the same messages I have deleted from inside the message app
coming back over and over again over 3 or ore days. This also never used to
happen. Look, if I deleted a series of messages or just one, I do not want
to see them over and over again.

I really hate redundancy.

I think it's time to call Apple Accessibility. There appear to be two
parallel universes when it comes to where messages are being presented.
Please just leave them in the Message App and I will see them on the in the
doc which will say something like 4 new messages, and I can hit on that and
respond to them once Mess App is open. Get rid of that unnecessary other
place where reminders and other announcements show. One reminder is enough,
I don't need a list of all things for the day to show up  in the
notification center.

I quit!

 

Deidre

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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[joseph hudson]

Hi Amy, that's really strange. I have change with buttons off, so maybe that's 
why you're having this problem just out of curiosity.
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> On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> My 14 Pro, and then keep left will say, muted or on muted whenever I have 
> change with buttons, turned on, and whenever my screen is unlocked. I have 
> never seen this behavior before. I reported it to Apple Accessibility, and 
> they were unaware of it.
> Not a major issue, but a minor annoyance for sure.
> Amy.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>   I haven’t been able to follow this thread closely, but I wonder if it is 
>> related to the voice. I use the Irish SIRI female voice, but I’m going to 
>> experiment with other voices now.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, regina alvarado  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am also not having any trouble with mute unmute. I am running a 13 promax 
>>> with the current update. Interestingly, also, I am having no problem at all 
>>> with deleting or reading my subscriptions on App Store. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reggie Alvarado 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2023, at 5:15 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Using ESpeak as my TTS on a SE 2022 I can't reproduce it.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:26 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
>>> 
>>> I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
>>> suppose to.
>>> 
>>> Chris Judge
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Steve Matzura
>>> Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
>>> 
>>> I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
>>> If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
>>> "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
>>> However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
>>> are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, 
>>> and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?
>>> 
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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[joseph hudson]

Hi Richard, I get the same results as you. And I'm running a 14.
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> On Mar 1, 2023, at 9:24 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> That is not my experience at all.
> It says what it should say whether the phone is locked or not.
> I just retested it.
> For what it is worth, I use Siri Voice 4 female as my VoiceOver voice.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 5:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> OK, update to my last post.
> 
> After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone 
> was both locked and unlocked.
> 
> 1.
> When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.
> 
> 2.
> However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
> the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  
> 
> Interesting, to say the least.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
> Facer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
> as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
> it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
> will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all 
> is well.
> 
> Jenn
> Jenn and Kumi 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
> suppose to.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Steve Matzura
> Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
> If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
> "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
> However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
> are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
> restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?
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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Carolyn]

You are right; I tried it locked. That is pretty weird. 

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M. Taylor
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OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone was 
both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Carolyn]

I was too, but now, when I switch to Mute, it says Muted. I just switched 
voices. Someone else said they did that, and it worked for him, and it worked 
for me, so good work around. 

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Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:19 PM
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What I was hearing was on muted when I move the volume switches. A strange one 
to be sure.


Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:03 PM, John Panarese  wrote:




  I’m using a 14 Pro with the latest iOS 16 version and I am not 
experiencing this. VoiceOver says, muted, Or, unmuted, when I move the mute 
switch to either position.


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On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Yep, same on 14 Pro. 

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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, 
but maybe not. If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way 
VoiceOver says "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the 
phone sounds are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the 
phone, and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Carolyn]

I did, and it worked, thanks! 

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Curious. I just changed my VoiceOver voice from Samantha enhanced to Nathan 
enhanced and he says muted when the switch is set toward the back of my iPhone 
13 Mini and unmuted when the switch is set toward the screen. 

Alan Lemly 

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> On Feb 28, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> On my iPhone 14 Pro, VoiceOver always says "unmuted" whichever way the mute 
> switch is pushed as well. I am using Nathan Enhanced.
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> From: Steve Matzura 
> Date: Feb 28 07:37AM -0500
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/10b04999d160f
> I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe 
> not. If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver 
> says "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
> However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone 
> sounds are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of 
> the phone, and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice 
> this?
> 
> -- 2 of 6 --
> From: Donna Casteen 
> Date: Feb 28 06:11AM -0700
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/10cebbdee4f00
> I'm not experiencing this with my iPhone 11 or iPhone Se 2020. Both phones 
> are running the most up to date IOS version.
> Donna
> 
> -- 3 of 6 --
> From: Joshua Hendrickson 
> Date: Feb 28 08:03AM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/10fb52d5b9b9e
> I don't either.  If I flip my mute switch one way, I hear muted, if I
> flip it back, I hear unmuted.  I've got a 13 pro max updated to the
> latest version.
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> -- 4 of 6 --
> From: Alan Lemly 
> Date: Feb 28 10:15AM -0600
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/116edef5e1e2f
> Steve, 
> That is most interesting and you should probably investigate why this is 
> happening just for you. It seems unlikely that all three of the devices you 
> mentioned have hardware issues so it must be something with their settings. 
> As others have reported, VoiceOver speaks muted and unmuted correctly on my 
> iPhone 13 Mini when the switch is activated or deactivated. 
> Alan Lemly 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 5 of 6 --
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> Date: Feb 28 08:22AM -0800
> Url: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/msg/1175b2e9fc83f
> It sounds like a call to Apple Accessibility is needed: 877-204-3930 24/7
> My 13 pro says muted and unmuted like always.  I do not find any settings 
> related to the mute switch, but Apple Accessibility would be able to figure 
> this one out.
> 
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> Lemly
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 

Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Amy Ruell]

Hello all,My 14 Pro, and then keep left will say, muted or on muted whenever I have change with buttons, turned on, and whenever my screen is unlocked. I have never seen this behavior before. I reported it to Apple Accessibility, and they were unaware of it.Not a major issue, but a minor annoyance for sure.Amy.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 1, 2023, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:  I haven’t been able to follow this thread closely, but I wonder if it is related to the voice. I use the Irish SIRI female voice, but I’m going to experiment with other voices now.
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On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:I am also not having any trouble with mute unmute. I am running a 13 promax with the current update. Interestingly, also, I am having no problem at all with deleting or reading my subscriptions on App Store. Reggie Alvarado On Mar 1, 2023, at 5:15 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:Using ESpeak as my TTS on a SE 2022 I can't reproduce it.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.comSent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:26 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's suppose to.Chris Judge-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve MatzuraSent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2f9383d5-0555-8b70-6712-4d72790fa7de%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/058b01d94c1f%24d0649490%24712dbdb0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/01d94c26%24c4c73c80%244e55b580%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 

Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Andy Baracco]

Could that be because the switch is locked as well?

Andy

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Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"


OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone 
was both locked and unlocked.


1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch 
when the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”


Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jennie Facer

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or 
unmuted as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says 
whatever it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, 
the phone will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it 
again, all is well.


Jenn
Jenn and Kumi


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.


Chris Judge


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Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, 
and restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?


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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[John Panarese]

  I haven’t been able to follow this thread closely, but I wonder if it is 
related to the voice. I use the Irish SIRI female voice, but I’m going to 
experiment with other voices now.


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> On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> I am also not having any trouble with mute unmute. I am running a 13 promax 
> with the current update. Interestingly, also, I am having no problem at all 
> with deleting or reading my subscriptions on App Store. 
> 
> 
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2023, at 5:15 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> Using ESpeak as my TTS on a SE 2022 I can't reproduce it.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
> suppose to.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
> Matzura
> Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
> If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
> "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
> However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
> are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
> restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?
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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[regina alvarado]

I am also not having any trouble with mute unmute. I am running a 13 promax 
with the current update. Interestingly, also, I am having no problem at all 
with deleting or reading my subscriptions on App Store. 



Reggie Alvarado 

On Mar 1, 2023, at 5:15 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:

Using ESpeak as my TTS on a SE 2022 I can't reproduce it.

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Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max.
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
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Re: Setting constant speed in Voice Dream Reader

[Wayne Merritt]

Thanks for the feedback. I have sent the suggestion in, so perhaps it will be 
added in a future update. 

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You could write Winston and ask, but I think Joshua is correct.  Audio files 
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That is just something you'll have to get used to.  While you can quickly 
adjust the playback speed of whatever zip file you are reading, whenever you go 
to the new file to read, it always defaults to 100%.  There is nothing that can 
be done to change this.

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> All,
> So now that I've imported my zip files into folders in Voice Dream 
> Reader, I'm wondering if there is a way to set the audio speed for all 
> of the files in that folder? Currently I have to set the speed faster 
> for each zip file that I play. While this is doable, it can be 
> redundant. All thoughts welcome.
> 
> Warmly,
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RE: Setting constant speed in Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

You could write Winston and ask, but I think Joshua is correct.  Audio files 
are not like text based files.  supp...@voicedream.com




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That is just something you'll have to get used to.  While you can quickly 
adjust the playback speed of whatever zip file you are reading, whenever you go 
to the new file to read, it always defaults to 100%.  There is nothing that can 
be done to change this.

On 3/1/23, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> All,
> So now that I've imported my zip files into folders in Voice Dream 
> Reader, I'm wondering if there is a way to set the audio speed for all 
> of the files in that folder? Currently I have to set the speed faster 
> for each zip file that I play. While this is doable, it can be 
> redundant. All thoughts welcome.
>
> Warmly,
> Wayne Merritt
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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Richard Turner]

Mark,
That is not my experience at all.
It says what it should say whether the phone is locked or not.
I just retested it.
For what it is worth, I use Siri Voice 4 female as my VoiceOver voice.




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OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone was 
both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   


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I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[M. Taylor]

OK, update to my last post.

After reading Jenny’s post, I used the mute hardware switch when the phone was 
both locked and unlocked.

1.
When the phone is unlocked, Voiceover performs as expected.

2.
However, when the phone is locked, regardless of the state of the switch when 
the phone was unlocked, VoiceOver says, “Unmuted.”  

Interesting, to say the least.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   


On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

VoiceOver says "Muted" and "Unmuted" as expected on my 14 Pro Max using 
Samantha enhanced, running the latest version of iOS.

Mark

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Subject: RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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Re: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

Mine is strange. When my phone is unlocked, it will announce muted or unmuted 
as it should. When I lock it and press the side switch, then it says whatever 
it was on before I locked the phone. So, if my phone was on muted, the phone 
will say muted even when I flick the switch up. When I unlock it again, all is 
well.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
> suppose to.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
> Matzura
> Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"
> 
> I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. 
> If I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
> "unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
> However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds 
> are definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
> restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?
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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[Dennis Long]

Using ESpeak as my TTS on a SE 2022 I can't reproduce it.

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I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
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Re: Setting constant speed in Voice Dream Reader

[Joshua Hendrickson]

That is just something you'll have to get used to.  While you can
quickly adjust the playback speed of whatever zip file you are
reading, whenever you go to the new file to read, it always defaults
to 100%.  There is nothing that can be done to change this.

On 3/1/23, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> All,
> So now that I've imported my zip files into folders in Voice Dream Reader,
> I'm wondering if there is a way to set the audio speed for all of the files
> in that folder? Currently I have to set the speed faster for each zip file
> that I play. While this is doable, it can be redundant. All thoughts
> welcome.
>
> Warmly,
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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

[chrisjudge1967]

I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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