Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

It is over the button labeled Audio Settings and it tells you the number of words per minute.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 23, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,I have just tried and it works. For speed it may not be obvious as it will just repeat the sentence at a bit higher or slower speed but with two or three swipes the difference will be quite noticeable. Voice Dream Reader has a similar VoiceOver adjustable gesture for speed (I think that it is over their button that should be titled “Speech”). Can you perform such a gesture there?On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Ivan,I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does only switch between standard and high.Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything.I will revisit it again after reading the helps.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 23, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:OK,for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use VoiceOver)For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need to be aware of those layers:- navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the app is certainly useful in that way too.- every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc).Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So here is a general overview:- if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will issue audio command skip forward/backward- Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip forward and backward buttons- If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command that you have set for those gestures- Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE variantsThe app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available online on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Can you explain:1.  How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading? 2.  How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark? Is there an instruction guide?  I will give it more time. The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high speed.  Not terribly useful for me.   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

I have just tried and it works. For speed it may not be obvious as it will 
just repeat the sentence at a bit higher or slower speed but with two or 
three swipes the difference will be quite noticeable. 

Voice Dream Reader has a similar VoiceOver adjustable gesture for speed (I 
think that it is over their button that should be titled “Speech”). Can you 
perform such a gesture there?

On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Ivan,
> I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does only 
> switch between standard and high.
> Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything.
> I will revisit it again after reading the helps.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> OK,
>
>
> for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with 
> VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up 
> and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed 
> (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed 
> depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the 
> Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that 
> is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use 
> VoiceOver)
>
> For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more 
> different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need 
> to be aware of those layers:
> - navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with 
> headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all 
> Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on 
> multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I 
> find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to 
> use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way 
> handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in 
> using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any 
> explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the 
> feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the 
> app is certainly useful in that way too.
> - every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, 
> next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume 
> down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) 
> can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that 
> you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc).
>
> Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question 
> would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So 
> here is a general overview:
> - if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it 
> is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will 
> issue audio command skip forward/backward
> - Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger 
> screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip 
> forward and backward buttons
> - If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very 
> quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command 
> that you have set for those gestures
> - Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down 
> there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't 
> have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as 
> it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to 
> extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE 
> variants
>
> The app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available online 
> on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/
> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
>> Can you explain:
>>
>> 1.  How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading?
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2.  How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Is there an instruction guide?  I will give it more time.
>>
>>  
>>
>> The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high 
>> speed.  Not terribly useful for me.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>>
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>
>>  
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Ivan 
>> Icin
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PM

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Ivan,I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does only switch between standard and high.Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything.I will revisit it again after reading the helps.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 23, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:OK,for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use VoiceOver)For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need to be aware of those layers:- navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the app is certainly useful in that way too.- every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc).Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So here is a general overview:- if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will issue audio command skip forward/backward- Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip forward and backward buttons- If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command that you have set for those gestures- Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE variantsThe app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available online on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Can you explain:1.  How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading? 2.  How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark? Is there an instruction guide?  I will give it more time. The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high speed.  Not terribly useful for me.   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Richard, First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it. Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as the app that you were using for more than 10 years. So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable that some might not discover that in few minutes. I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case. As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide some positive 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

OK,

for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with 
VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up 
and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed 
(this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed 
depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the 
Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that 
is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use 
VoiceOver)

For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more 
different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need 
to be aware of those layers:
- navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with 
headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all 
Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on 
multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I 
find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to 
use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way 
handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in 
using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any 
explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the 
feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the 
app is certainly useful in that way too.
- every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, 
next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume 
down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) 
can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that 
you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc).

Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question 
would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So 
here is a general overview:
- if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it is 
'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will 
issue audio command skip forward/backward
- Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger 
screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip 
forward and backward buttons
- If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very 
quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command 
that you have set for those gestures
- Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down 
there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't 
have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as 
it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to 
extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE 
variants

The app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available online 
on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Can you explain:
>
> 1.  How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading?
>
>  
>
> 2.  How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark?
>
>  
>
> Is there an instruction guide?  I will give it more time.
>
>  
>
> The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high 
> speed.  Not terribly useful for me.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> Richard,
>
>  
>
> First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it.
>
>  
>
> Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as 
> the app that you were using for more than 10 years.
>
>  
>
> So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with 
> VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed 
> button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable 
> that some might not discover that in few minutes.
>
>  
>
> I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but 
> preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case.
>
>  
>
> As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide 
> some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use Neural 
> voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream Reader, many 
> other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it a cheap 
> option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound 

RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Wow, thanks for the great tip! You know, I think I knew this at one time, but I 
forgot about it a long time ago!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

Hi Christopher,

Thanks for confirming the same experience.

I spoke with Apple Accessibility and got an excellent rep who told me a 
workaround I'll be using in the future to delete apps. Go to Settings, General, 
iPhone storage, and swipe right until you reach the app listing which sorts all 
your apps in order of the most used to the least used storage amounts. With 
focus on the app you can single finger swipe up or down to access options to 
delete it, offload it, or activate it to view a screen showing the same options 
with info on how much space you'll save by deleting or offloading it. This 
worked much better than going to the App Library to delete it.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

I do the exact same thing you do, and I've experienced the same behavior you're 
seeing. I haven't reported this to Apple yet, but we need to do that. BTW, my 
workaround is to just find the app without going into the alphabetized list and 
deleting it that way. I find this is a bit better than copying it to a home 
screen first.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

Hi List,

I'm attempting to delete some apps never used from the growing list on my 
iPhone 13 Mini running iOS 16.5. I keep the apps I use often on multiple home 
screens but the ones seldom used are only located in the App Library listing 
found after the home screens. I like to place the App Library in an 
alphabetized listing in order to find the ones to delete as opposed to using 
Apple's category listings. However, I am unable to enter Edit mode when using 
the alphabetize listing and can only invoke drag requiring me to first drag the 
app to be removed to a home screen where I can then invoke Edit mode and delete 
it. This seems to be a major design flaw so I'm wondering if I'm missing a 
better way to delete an app located only in the App Library.

Many thanks if others can confirm what I'm experiencing and offer a quicker way 
to delete an app shown only in the App Library.

Alan Lemly
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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Christopher Chaltain]

I used to use this as well. I stopped using it when I started having trouble 
importing my media from One Drive. Since I already had Voice Dream Reader, and 
they added One Drive support, I switched and haven’t looked back. I will say 
that the issue with One Drive and Audio Book may be unique to me and not a 
global issue.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

I personally use  MP3 audiobook player pro, it not only allows for wi-fi 
transfer but also plays M4B audiobooks. You can read all the details in the 
description:
https://apps.apple.com/app/id889580711

Best,
Leo Bado

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

Hi Leo,

What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?

I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility. 
 I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.

I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more 
tedious in my opinion.

I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.

Thanks,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

Richard, you said:
I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

Best,
Leo Bado

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

I've let the owners know that.
I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.
I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.
I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

Later,
Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.
So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.
HTH,



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Can you explain:

1.  How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading?

 

2.  How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark?

 

Is there an instruction guide?  I will give it more time.

 

The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high speed.  
Not terribly useful for me.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard,

 

First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it.

 

Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as the app 
that you were using for more than 10 years.

 

So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with VoiceOver 
gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed button I think it 
is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable that some might not 
discover that in few minutes.

 

I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but 
preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case.

 

As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide some 
positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use Neural voices 
that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream Reader, many other 
options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it a cheap option for 
someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound right. Again nothing 
wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever reason - even if you just 
got used to it, but I don't find that statement as proper. Just for the record 
I know multiple blind users that have switched from Voice Dream Reader to 
Speech Central as they find it better for various reasons even as they have 
already paid the license. Some are using both for various use cases, as said 
there are many things that Voice Dream Reader (or Speech Central if you look 
from another perspective) cannot do.

 

I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it started 
with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those people that 
approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came didn't even want to 
reply most of the time... As such it is still where it was like 5 years ago and 
it certainly left some things to desire.

 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Ivan,

I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it is 
rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. 

The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop and use 
the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change the reading 
speed on the fly. 

But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you get very 
good reviews.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Richard,

 

Thanks for the question. 

 

Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare partners. I 
am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. 

 

Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to try all 
of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in this community 
as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I don’t have any direct 
benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the only indirect benefit is 
that I may get some more reviews on the App Store). 

Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech Central  
 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks and 
other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud enough volume.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com 
  escribió:



Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Just to add that most of my users (around 97%) are not blind people, and 
they pay for the app, so most of the reviews are from people that paid for 
the app (current price is 9$ lifetime). Further the share of the reviews or 
ratings from the time when Voice Dream became subscription only is tiny. So 
your comment on reviews wasn't factually correct, maybe there was a slight 
price advantage certainly but most users rated well Speech Central for its 
features that are versatile and overall more developed than in other apps.
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:25:03 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

> Richard,
>
> First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it.
>
> Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as 
> the app that you were using for more than 10 years.
>
> So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with 
> VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed 
> button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable 
> that some might not discover that in few minutes.
>
> I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but 
> preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case.
>
> As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide 
> some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use Neural 
> voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream Reader, many 
> other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it a cheap 
> option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound right. 
> Again nothing wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever reason - 
> even if you just got used to it, but I don't find that statement as proper. 
> Just for the record I know multiple blind users that have switched from 
> Voice Dream Reader to Speech Central as they find it better for various 
> reasons even as they have already paid the license. Some are using both for 
> various use cases, as said there are many things that Voice Dream Reader 
> (or Speech Central if you look from another perspective) cannot do.
>
> I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it 
> started with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those 
> people that approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came 
> didn't even want to reply most of the time... As such it is still where it 
> was like 5 years ago and it certainly left some things to desire.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
>> Ivan,
>> I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it 
>> is rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. 
>> The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop 
>> and use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change 
>> the reading speed on the fly. 
>> But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you 
>> get very good reviews.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> Richard, USA.
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the question. 
>>
>> Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare 
>> partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. 
>>
>> Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to 
>> try all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in 
>> this community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I 
>> don’t have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the 
>> only indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App 
>> Store). 
>>
>> Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech 
>> Central 
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks 
>>> and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud 
>>> enough volume.
>>>
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>>
>>> El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Richard, you said:
>>>
>>> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
>>>
>>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to 
>>> see further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B 
>>> books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi 
>>> connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.
>>>
>>>  
>>>

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it.

Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as the 
app that you were using for more than 10 years.

So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with 
VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed 
button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable 
that some might not discover that in few minutes.

I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but 
preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case.

As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even provide 
some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use Neural 
voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream Reader, many 
other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it a cheap 
option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound right. 
Again nothing wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever reason - 
even if you just got used to it, but I don't find that statement as proper. 
Just for the record I know multiple blind users that have switched from 
Voice Dream Reader to Speech Central as they find it better for various 
reasons even as they have already paid the license. Some are using both for 
various use cases, as said there are many things that Voice Dream Reader 
(or Speech Central if you look from another perspective) cannot do.

I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it 
started with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those 
people that approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came 
didn't even want to reply most of the time... As such it is still where it 
was like 5 years ago and it certainly left some things to desire.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Ivan,
> I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it is 
> rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. 
> The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop and 
> use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change the 
> reading speed on the fly. 
> But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you get 
> very good reviews.
>
>
>
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
>
> Thanks for the question. 
>
> Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare 
> partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. 
>
> Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to try 
> all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in this 
> community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I don’t 
> have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the only 
> indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App Store). 
>
> Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech 
> Central 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks 
>> and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud 
>> enough volume.
>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>
>> El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com escribió:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard, you said:
>>
>> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
>>
>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to 
>> see further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B 
>> books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi 
>> connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Leo Bado
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Richard 
>> Turner
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>>
>>  
>>
>> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  
>> If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I've let the owners know that.
>>
>> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.
>>
>> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester 
>> for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app 
>> at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Ivan,I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it is rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop and use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change the reading speed on the fly. But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you get very good reviews. Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,Thanks for the question. Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to try all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in this community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I don’t have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the only indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App Store). Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech Central https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com wrote:Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud enough volume.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com escribió:Richard, you said:I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have. Best, Leo Bado From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AMTo: vip...@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. I've let the owners know that.I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. Later,Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few days ago. So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly. However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader for the Mac computers only. Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the company before he did that.So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions. So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the Mac version.   At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.HTH,   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower sales volume). You can 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Leo, I mostly read from Bookshare with Voice Dream Reader. The DAISY text versions. So, I doubt the MP3 app would work for me. But good to know about the wi-fi transfer.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 23, 2023, at 12:18 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:I personally use  MP3 audiobook player pro, it not only allows for wi-fi transfer but also plays M4B audiobooks. You can read all the details in the description:https://apps.apple.com/app/id889580711 Best, Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Hi Leo, What apps allow for wi-fi transfer? I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility.  I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best. I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more tedious in my opinion. I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer. Thanks,   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of leobado1...@gmail.comSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Richard, you said:I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have. Best,Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. I've let the owners know that.I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. Later,Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few days ago. So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly. However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader for the Mac computers only. Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the company before he did that.So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions. So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the Mac version.   At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.HTH,   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people 

RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Christopher,

 

Thanks for confirming the same experience.

 

I spoke with Apple Accessibility and got an excellent rep who told me a 
workaround I’ll be using in the future to delete apps. Go to Settings, General, 
iPhone storage, and swipe right until you reach the app listing which sorts all 
your apps in order of the most used to the least used storage amounts. With 
focus on the app you can single finger swipe up or down to access options to 
delete it, offload it, or activate it to view a screen showing the same options 
with info on how much space you’ll save by deleting or offloading it. This 
worked much better than going to the App Library to delete it.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

 

I do the exact same thing you do, and I’ve experienced the same behavior you’re 
seeing. I haven’t reported this to Apple yet, but we need to do that. BTW, my 
workaround is to just find the app without going into the alphabetized list and 
deleting it that way. I find this is a bit better than copying it to a home 
screen first.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

 

Hi List,

 

I’m attempting to delete some apps never used from the growing list on my 
iPhone 13 Mini running iOS 16.5. I keep the apps I use often on multiple home 
screens but the ones seldom used are only located in the App Library listing 
found after the home screens. I like to place the App Library in an 
alphabetized listing in order to find the ones to delete as opposed to using 
Apple’s category listings. However, I am unable to enter Edit mode when using 
the alphabetize listing and can only invoke drag requiring me to first drag the 
app to be removed to a home screen where I can then invoke Edit mode and delete 
it. This seems to be a major design flaw so I’m wondering if I’m missing a 
better way to delete an app located only in the App Library.

 

Many thanks if others can confirm what I’m experiencing and offer a quicker way 
to delete an app shown only in the App Library.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

I personally use  MP3 audiobook player pro, it not only allows for wi-fi 
transfer but also plays M4B audiobooks. You can read all the details in the 
description:

https://apps.apple.com/app/id889580711

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Hi Leo,

 

What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?

 

I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility. 
 I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.

 

I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more 
tedious in my opinion.

 

I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

Thanks for the question. 

Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare 
partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. 

Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to try 
all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in this 
community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I don’t 
have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the only 
indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App Store). 

Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech Central 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com wrote:

> Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks and 
> other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud enough 
> volume.
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
> El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com escribió:
>
> 
>
> Richard, you said:
>
> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
>
> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>
>  
>
> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
> further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, 
> and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. 
> These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.
>
>  
>
> Best,
>
> Leo Bado
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
> *Richard 
> Turner
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  
> If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.
>
>  
>
> I've let the owners know that.
>
> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.
>
> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester 
> for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app 
> at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying 
> $59.99 per year.
>
> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>
>  
>
> I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I 
> very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.
>
>  
>
> Later,
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to 
> reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, 
> like just few days ago.
>
>  
>
> So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS 
> app.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
> Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.
>
>  
>
> However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream 
> Reader for the Mac computers only.
>
>  
>
> Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold 
> the company before he did that.
>
> So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.
>
>  
>
> So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have 
> been the Mac version.  
>
>  
>
> At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.
>
> HTH,
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that 
> is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it 
> was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ 
> price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US 
> markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings 
> due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are 
> people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price 
> was there very recently.
>
>  
>
> Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I 
> wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't 
> diametrically opposed to what I said.
>
> On 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Gerardo Corripio]

Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud enough volume.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leobado1...@gmail.com escribió:Richard, you said:I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have. Best, Leo Bado From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. I've let the owners know that.I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. Later,Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few days ago. So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly. However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader for the Mac computers only. Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the company before he did that.So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions. So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the Mac version.   At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.HTH,   Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently. Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically opposed to what I said.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual Subscription$79.99.Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each. What country are you in?Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases developers randomly assign those to users to 

RE: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I do the exact same thing you do, and I've experienced the same behavior you're 
seeing. I haven't reported this to Apple yet, but we need to do that. BTW, my 
workaround is to just find the app without going into the alphabetized list and 
deleting it that way. I find this is a bit better than copying it to a home 
screen first.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

Hi List,

I'm attempting to delete some apps never used from the growing list on my 
iPhone 13 Mini running iOS 16.5. I keep the apps I use often on multiple home 
screens but the ones seldom used are only located in the App Library listing 
found after the home screens. I like to place the App Library in an 
alphabetized listing in order to find the ones to delete as opposed to using 
Apple's category listings. However, I am unable to enter Edit mode when using 
the alphabetize listing and can only invoke drag requiring me to first drag the 
app to be removed to a home screen where I can then invoke Edit mode and delete 
it. This seems to be a major design flaw so I'm wondering if I'm missing a 
better way to delete an app located only in the App Library.

Many thanks if others can confirm what I'm experiencing and offer a quicker way 
to delete an app shown only in the App Library.

Alan Lemly
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Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Anna Dresner]

I got confirmation early on that the subscription covers both the Mac and iOS 
versions of Voice Dream Reader. If you have both platforms, it’s convenient 
having VDR on both and synced.

Best,
Anna


> On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Is your app available yet?  If so, what is it?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:43 AM
> To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>  
> Richard,
>  
> regarding the subscription price, I am not sure if they currently sell both 
> apps as part of the subscription or each app has its own subscription, as far 
> as I know it is price for both apps. Which may make it a better deal for 
> those that have a Mac, but many people may not have the Mac.
>  
> Regarding the Bookshare, as a Bookshare developer partner I can say that they 
> are very hostile to any other app than the ones that you have mentioned, for 
> whatever reason.
>  
> So I can say at the moment that my app does support Bookshare, has a feature 
> set that is at least in some aspects better than Voice Dream (and it is 
> individual who will love/need mode what, but overall it should have more 
> features if you count them) and is completely free for the blind people.
>  
> But as said Bookshare is very hostile to other apps. At this point I can say 
> that I prepare updates for my app for November that will in most aspects 
> double the feature set and move experience ahead probably more than 
> cumulative update of any other apps for the last 5 years or even more. At 
> that point it should be without much argue the best app out there. As the app 
> is rewritten from the scratch it doesn't make sense to reinvest into the 
> Bookshare support at the current usage. So I have just asked them for their 
> confirmation that they will promote my app as they promote other apps (which 
> it should deserve even without the update). Thus far no answer. And 
> considering the history, I don't expect any.
> 
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>> Hi Leo,
>>  
>> What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?
>>  
>> I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
>> price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about 
>> accessibility.  I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.
>>  
>> I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even 
>> more tedious in my opinion.
>>  
>> I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>  
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of leoba...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>>  
>> Richard, you said:
>> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>>  
>> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
>> further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
>> transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
>> are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Leo Bado
>>  
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>>  
>> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If 
>> for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.
>>  
>> I've let the owners know that.
>> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.
>> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
>> Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at 
>> the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 
>> per year.
>> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>>  
>> I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
>> impressed 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Is your app available yet?  If so, what is it?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:43 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard,

 

regarding the subscription price, I am not sure if they currently sell both 
apps as part of the subscription or each app has its own subscription, as far 
as I know it is price for both apps. Which may make it a better deal for those 
that have a Mac, but many people may not have the Mac.

 

Regarding the Bookshare, as a Bookshare developer partner I can say that they 
are very hostile to any other app than the ones that you have mentioned, for 
whatever reason.

 

So I can say at the moment that my app does support Bookshare, has a feature 
set that is at least in some aspects better than Voice Dream (and it is 
individual who will love/need mode what, but overall it should have more 
features if you count them) and is completely free for the blind people.

 

But as said Bookshare is very hostile to other apps. At this point I can say 
that I prepare updates for my app for November that will in most aspects double 
the feature set and move experience ahead probably more than cumulative update 
of any other apps for the last 5 years or even more. At that point it should be 
without much argue the best app out there. As the app is rewritten from the 
scratch it doesn't make sense to reinvest into the Bookshare support at the 
current usage. So I have just asked them for their confirmation that they will 
promote my app as they promote other apps (which it should deserve even without 
the update). Thus far no answer. And considering the history, I don't expect 
any.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Hi Leo,

 

What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?

 

I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility. 
 I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.

 

I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more 
tedious in my opinion.

 

I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
leoba...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

regarding the subscription price, I am not sure if they currently sell both 
apps as part of the subscription or each app has its own subscription, as 
far as I know it is price for both apps. Which may make it a better deal 
for those that have a Mac, but many people may not have the Mac.

Regarding the Bookshare, as a Bookshare developer partner I can say that 
they are very hostile to any other app than the ones that you have 
mentioned, for whatever reason.

So I can say at the moment that my app does support Bookshare, has a 
feature set that is at least in some aspects better than Voice Dream (and 
it is individual who will love/need mode what, but overall it should have 
more features if you count them) and is completely free for the blind 
people.

But as said Bookshare is very hostile to other apps. At this point I can 
say that I prepare updates for my app for November that will in most 
aspects double the feature set and move experience ahead probably more than 
cumulative update of any other apps for the last 5 years or even more. At 
that point it should be without much argue the best app out there. As the 
app is rewritten from the scratch it doesn't make sense to reinvest into 
the Bookshare support at the current usage. So I have just asked them for 
their confirmation that they will promote my app as they promote other apps 
(which it should deserve even without the update). Thus far no answer. And 
considering the history, I don't expect any.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Hi Leo,
>
>  
>
> What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?
>
>  
>
> I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
> price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about 
> accessibility.  I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.
>
>  
>
> I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even 
> more tedious in my opinion.
>
>  
>
> I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
> leoba...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> Richard, you said:
>
> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.
>
> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>
>  
>
> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
> further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, 
> and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. 
> These are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.
>
>  
>
> Best,
>
> Leo Bado
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
> *Richard 
> Turner
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  
> If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.
>
>  
>
> I've let the owners know that.
>
> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.
>
> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester 
> for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app 
> at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying 
> $59.99 per year.
>
> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.
>
>  
>
> I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I 
> very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.
>
>  
>
> Later,
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to 
> reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, 
> like just few days ago.
>
>  
>
> So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS 
> app.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
> Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.
>
>  
>
> However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream 
> Reader for the Mac computers only.
>
>  
>
> Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold 
> the company before he did that.
>
> So, the Applause group 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Hi Leo,

 

What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?

 

I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility. 
 I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.

 

I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more 
tedious in my opinion.

 

I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or 
that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower 
sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that 
were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently.

 

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't 
sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically 
opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

I think that I had that information from 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or 
that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower 
sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that 
were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently.

 

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't 
sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically 
opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 

In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, 
currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
Subscription$79.99.

Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.

 

What country are you in?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or 
that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower 
sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that 
were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently.

 

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't 
sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically 
opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 

In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, 
currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
Subscription$79.99.

Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.

 

What country are you in?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the 
most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several 
lower

 

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you 
are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is 
the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Where did you get that price from?

That is much higher than had 

Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to 
reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, 
like just few days ago.

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.
>
>  
>
> However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream 
> Reader for the Mac computers only.
>
>  
>
> Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold 
> the company before he did that.
>
> So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.
>
>  
>
> So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have 
> been the Mac version.  
>
>  
>
> At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.
>
> HTH,
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that 
> is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it 
> was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ 
> price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US 
> markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings 
> due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are 
> people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price 
> was there very recently.
>
>  
>
> Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I 
> wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't 
> diametrically opposed to what I said.
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:
>
> I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 
>
> In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked 
> there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
> I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
> Subscription$79.99.
>
> Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.
>
>  
>
> What country are you in?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
> experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
> developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings 
> the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
> currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
> currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and 
> several lower
>
>  
>
> So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that 
> you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, 
> which is the overall range that they use. 
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
> Where did you get that price from?
>
> That is much higher than had been announced.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> 
>
>  
>
> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:
>
> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If 
> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, 
> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition 
> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though 
> that should be a very tiny ratio. 
>
>  
>
> Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
> in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 

Announcement from Winston Chen

[Richard Turner]

Dear Customers, Partners, and Friends,

I am delighted to announce that Voice Dream Reader has joined Applause Group as 
a leading product in their portfolio of apps.

Voice Dream Reader started 12 years ago as a side project during my sabbatical 
in Arctic Norway. Since then, it has evolved into the best text-to-speech 
reader, helping hundreds of thousands of people worldwide read for learning and 
fun. Winning Apple Design Award in 2021 was the crowning achievement of my 
professional life.

But I could not have done it without the users. You constantly provided me with 
ideas for improvements and inspired me with your personal stories of how Reader 
changed your lives. And I could not have done it without my partners and 
friends who supported me at every step. For that, I will be forever grateful.

While I look at the past with nostalgia, I also look to the future with 
excitement. Applause Group is committed to investing in Reader and turning it 
into a household name. It will be stewarded by a sustainable company instead of 
being completely dependent on me. And that is good news for everyone who relies 
on Reader every day.

With Reader going to a new home, Voice Dream Scanner and Writer will remain 
with me under a different company, Opus Noma. (Noma stands for my children Nora 
and Marcus.) And they will be renamed to VDScan and VDWrite. My new email 
address is winston.c...@opusnoma.com  .

Happy reading, as we all look forward to a bright future.

Winston.

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com  

礪

 

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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or 
that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower 
sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that 
were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently.

 

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't 
sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically 
opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 

In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, 
currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
Subscription$79.99.

Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.

 

What country are you in?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the 
most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several 
lower

 

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you 
are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is 
the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Where did you get that price from?

That is much higher than had been announced.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:



 

I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:

Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If you 
already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, but the 
system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition and it it 
technically possible that some users might need to pay, though that should be a 
very tiny ratio. 

 

Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:

That is a good question...:) 
I had the same issue. 
Tim 

On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com   mailto:leoba...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
> Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family 
> sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
> one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops up 
> saying that it 

How do I delete an app from the App Library using Edit Mode?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I'm attempting to delete some apps never used from the growing list on my
iPhone 13 Mini running iOS 16.5. I keep the apps I use often on multiple
home screens but the ones seldom used are only located in the App Library
listing found after the home screens. I like to place the App Library in an
alphabetized listing in order to find the ones to delete as opposed to using
Apple's category listings. However, I am unable to enter Edit mode when
using the alphabetize listing and can only invoke drag requiring me to first
drag the app to be removed to a home screen where I can then invoke Edit
mode and delete it. This seems to be a major design flaw so I'm wondering if
I'm missing a better way to delete an app located only in the App Library.

 

Many thanks if others can confirm what I'm experiencing and offer a quicker
way to delete an app shown only in the App Library.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is 
in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ 
price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US 
markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings 
due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are 
people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price 
was there very recently.

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I 
wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't 
diametrically opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

> I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 
>
> In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked 
> there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
>> I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
>> Subscription$79.99.
>>
>> Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.
>>
>>  
>>
>> What country are you in?
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>>
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>
>>  
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Ivan 
>> Icin
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
>> *To:* VIPhone 
>> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>>
>>  
>>
>> You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
>> experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
>> developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings 
>> the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
>> currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
>> currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and 
>> several lower
>>
>>  
>>
>> So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that 
>> you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, 
>> which is the overall range that they use. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>> Where did you get that price from?
>>
>> That is much higher than had been announced.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>>
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:
>>
>> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
>> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
>> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If 
>> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, 
>> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition 
>> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though 
>> that should be a very tiny ratio. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
>> in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:
>>
>> That is a good question...:) 
>> I had the same issue. 
>> Tim 
>>
>> On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com  wrote: 
>> > Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and 
>> family 
>> > sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
>> > one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops 
>> up 
>> > saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Best, 
>> > 
>> > Leo Bado 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: iPhone SE third generation

[David Erich]

I know the brand ONNN makes an adapter that goes from lightning to the 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 

In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked 
there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
> Subscription$79.99.
>
> Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.
>
>  
>
> What country are you in?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing
>
>  
>
> You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
> experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
> developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings 
> the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
> currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
> currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and 
> several lower
>
>  
>
> So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that 
> you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, 
> which is the overall range that they use. 
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:
>
> Where did you get that price from?
>
> That is much higher than had been announced.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> 
>
>  
>
> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:
>
> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If 
> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, 
> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition 
> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though 
> that should be a very tiny ratio. 
>
>  
>
> Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
> in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:
>
> That is a good question...:) 
> I had the same issue. 
> Tim 
>
> On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com  wrote: 
> > Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and 
> family 
> > sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
> > one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops 
> up 
> > saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best, 
> > 
> > Leo Bado 
> > 
> > 
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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Richard Turner]

I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
Subscription$79.99.

Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.

 

What country are you in?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the 
most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several 
lower

 

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you 
are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is 
the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Where did you get that price from?

That is much higher than had been announced.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:



 

I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:

Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If you 
already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, but the 
system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition and it it 
technically possible that some users might need to pay, though that should be a 
very tiny ratio. 

 

Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:

That is a good question...:) 
I had the same issue. 
Tim 

On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com   mailto:leoba...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
> Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family 
> sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
> one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops up 
> saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
> 
> 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Leo Bado 
> 
> 
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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

Hmm, I guess you always learn something new…

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 2:42 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the 
most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several 
lower

 

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you 
are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is 
the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Where did you get that price from?

That is much higher than had been announced.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:



 

I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:

Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If you 
already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, but the 
system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition and it it 
technically possible that some users might need to pay, though that should be a 
very tiny ratio. 

 

Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:

That is a good question...:) 
I had the same issue. 
Tim 

On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com   mailto:leoba...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
> Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family 
> sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
> one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops up 
> saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
> 
> 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Leo Bado 
> 
> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[Ivan Icin]

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings 
the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and 
several lower

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that 
you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, 
which is the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

> Where did you get that price from?
> That is much higher than had been announced.
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> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
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> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:
> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If 
> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, 
> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition 
> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though 
> that should be a very tiny ratio. 
>
> Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
> in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:
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>> That is a good question...:) 
>> I had the same issue. 
>> Tim 
>>
>> On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com  wrote: 
>> > Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and 
>> family 
>> > sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
>> > one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops 
>> up 
>> > saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
>> > 
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>> > 
>> > Best, 
>> > 
>> > Leo Bado 
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