Re: Issue with Signing Into Google Apps on the iPhone

[Andy Baracco]

I have experienced the same thing and it's frustrating to say the least.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Portillo 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2023 10:05 PM
  Subject: Issue with Signing Into Google Apps on the iPhone


  Hi everyone,

  Here’s an interesting issue I’m not able to work around, and I’ve tried a few 
things.

  I upgraded to the new iPhone 15 Pro at the end of September, and I really 
like how it’s working. 

  I tried signing into YouTube TV on my app. I had to sign into my google 
account. When I entered my password, it went to a new Two-step Authentication 
process, which doesn’t seem to work at all. It told me to open the google app 
and tap “yes” on a message that would pop up. I also noticed that if I told it 
to “re-send”, the button was unavailable. That’s what VoiceOver said.\

  There was nothing in the google app when I opened itup. Then again, I hadn’t 
signed into my google account there yet. I thought perhaps it would work better 
if I actually signed into my google account on the google app. It did the same 
thing. I was signing up, and it told me to open my google app and tap something 
there. It’s weird and hard to open an app that you’re already trying to sign 
into for a two-step authentication.

  Now, in the two-step process, there was another option to get the code or 
message a different way, so I tried doing that and choosing to get a 
verification code by text via my phone. However, I was told that the option was 
unavailable because there were stronger ways of signing in, and it basically 
took me back to getting the message from the actual Google app.

  Oh, I also tried signing into Google using Safari, and it gave me the same 
message about opening the Google app and tapping on something in that message.

  So basically, I’m not able to sign into any of my Google apps on my new phone 
because of this two-step process. I wouldn’t mind the process, but I need to 
actually get into what they want.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks for any help or advice.

  Jim

   

   

   


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Issue with Signing Into Google Apps on the iPhone

[Jim Portillo]

Hi everyone,

Here's an interesting issue I'm not able to work around, and I've tried a
few things.

I upgraded to the new iPhone 15 Pro at the end of September, and I really
like how it's working. 

I tried signing into YouTube TV on my app. I had to sign into my google
account. When I entered my password, it went to a new Two-step
Authentication process, which doesn't seem to work at all. It told me to
open the google app and tap "yes" on a message that would pop up. I also
noticed that if I told it to "re-send", the button was unavailable. That's
what VoiceOver said.\

There was nothing in the google app when I opened itup. Then again, I hadn't
signed into my google account there yet. I thought perhaps it would work
better if I actually signed into my google account on the google app. It did
the same thing. I was signing up, and it told me to open my google app and
tap something there. It's weird and hard to open an app that you're already
trying to sign into for a two-step authentication.

Now, in the two-step process, there was another option to get the code or
message a different way, so I tried doing that and choosing to get a
verification code by text via my phone. However, I was told that the option
was unavailable because there were stronger ways of signing in, and it
basically took me back to getting the message from the actual Google app.

Oh, I also tried signing into Google using Safari, and it gave me the same
message about opening the Google app and tapping on something in that
message.

So basically, I'm not able to sign into any of my Google apps on my new
phone because of this two-step process. I wouldn't mind the process, but I
need to actually get into what they want.

Any ideas?

Thanks for any help or advice.

Jim

 

 

 

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Re: Sharing a contact.

[Robert Doc Wright]

If you keep swiping pass airdrop you will find message.
Now you can add the person you wish to share the contact with the same way 
you would send them a text message.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Sharing a contact.


I got a Pop Up, and every time I try, I get the last two people I have been 
in touch with - one a message and one a call, then Air Drop.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lisa Belville
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing a contact.

Carolyn,  This is for the latest version of iOS 17.


go into the contact you want to share and swipe past the general info until 
you hear share.  Double tap on this.


The next screen shows all of the fields in the contact that you can
choose to share, like phone, address, work phone, Email, etc. you can
deselect which ever fields you want or double tap on the done button at
the top of the screen to share all info.


The next screen is like a regular sharing screen where you choose which
method you want to use to send the information, text, mail, etc.


choose the option you want and enter the recipient's info.


Lisa




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 10/8/2023 2:12 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
> Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her number
> shared. I tried doing it, ended up just texting the number
> to the other person.
>
> Question: what do I do to share a contact, please?
>
>

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Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Mike Arrigo]

Chrome and Firefox both work really well.

> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are 
> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone tried 
> Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser?
> 
> 
> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a MAC 
>> a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a day-to-day bases.
>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 and 
>> since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a bug 
>> would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point of 
>> fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes Edge) 
>> along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long.
>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a 
>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now Jaws 
>> 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or Jaws 
>> crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often go the 
>> entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday evenings we 
>> usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are closed Sundays, 
>> but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on until Saturday 
>> evening.
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
>> gross
>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to 
>> Fellow Blind Computer Users.
>>  
>> Hello Everyone, 
>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to 
>> read. 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow 
>> Blind Computer Users
>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding 
>> issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive 
>> with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” 
>> When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several 
>> minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from 
>> Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far 
>> too often, the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver 
>> off, instead having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.
>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically 
>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision 
>> users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - 
>> many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine 
>> can also be affected by the “not responding” problem.
>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the 
>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners 
>> of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug.
>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions 
>> without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of 
>> disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can 
>> unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on 
>> using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often 
>> critical, tasks in Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an 
>> unreliable and frustrating platform.
>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they 
>> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be 
>> utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long without a 
>> permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions about the 
>> company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There can be no 
>> doubt that if sighted users were to experience something similar, that it 
>> would receive significant media coverage and that Apple's response would be 
>> fast.
>> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and 
>> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued VoiceOver 
>> users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you who use 
>> VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team at 
>> accessibil...@apple.com to share your own personal experiences with and 
>> frustrations about the “Safari not responding” issue. It is important we 
>> continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to prioritise resolving 
>> this 

Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Mike Arrigo]

I have the issue sometimes, but I’ve always been able to resolve it, and, 
Chrome and Firefox are also accessible on the mac, so you don’t even need to 
use safari if you are having these problems.

> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> I think this is a bit overblown. Sure I sometimes get the issue but really 
> not that often. I used to get it far worse before the M1 chip. Every so often 
> it happens now, but restarting VoiceOver always does the trick.
> 
> I certainly remember how often Windows used to freeze up and sometimes I 
> couldn’t get jaws working again so I had to do a total restart.
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone, Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you 
>> might like to read.
>>  
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow 
>> Blind Computer Users
>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding 
>> issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive 
>> with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” 
>> When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several 
>> minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from 
>> Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far 
>> too often, the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver 
>> off, instead having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.
>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically 
>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision 
>> users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - 
>> many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine 
>> can also be affected by the “not responding” problem.
>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the 
>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners 
>> of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug.
>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions 
>> without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of 
>> disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can 
>> unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on 
>> using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often 
>> critical, tasks in Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an 
>> unreliable and frustrating platform.
>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they 
>> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be 
>> utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long without a 
>> permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions about the 
>> company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There can be no 
>> doubt that if sighted users were to experience something similar, that it 
>> would receive significant media coverage and that Apple's response would be 
>> fast.
>> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and 
>> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued VoiceOver 
>> users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you who use 
>> VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team at 
>> accessibil...@apple.com to share your own personal experiences with and 
>> frustrations about the “Safari not responding” issue. It is important we 
>> continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to prioritise resolving 
>> this problem. Please be constructive in expressing your concerns. Consider 
>> also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by using his publicly shared 
>> email address tc...@apple.com to ensure he sees the direct impact this 
>> ongoing bug is having on Apple's blind and low vision customers.
>> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the 
>> only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems 
>> in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous other VoiceOver 
>> frustrations and failures impacting users. However, it has become a 
>> yardstick by which Apple's overall performance on and commitment to 
>> accessibility is being judged. It is a yardstick against which Apple has 
>> failed for some considerable time.
>> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives and 
>> discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply consumer pressure 
>> by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing new Macs until the 
>> “Safari not responding” issue is fixed once and for all. 

Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[lenron brown]

I haven't updated to the latest version of mac Os just because I was
kind of worried if there were any issues. I don't really use my mac
for everyday browsing, it's just for checking email and production
work. I haven't been working in logic all that much lately so it's
been sitting there looking pretty for a bit.

On 10/8/23, John Panarese  wrote:
> Google Chrome, Brave and Firefox are alternative browsers to Safari on
> the Mac. In addition Safari in Sonoma seems to work with better results on
> two different machines of mine compared to Ventura.
>
> There is an old expression about people and opinions that I’m sure some
> folks are familiar with. In thirty or so years in this industry, I wish I
> had a dollar for every negative review and voiced criticism of a piece of
> software, hardware, operating system etc. I’d have retired by now …
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are
>> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone
>> tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser?
>>
>>
>> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a
>>> MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a
>>> day-to-day bases.
>>>
>>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989
>>> and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a
>>> bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point
>>> of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes
>>> Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long.
>>>
>>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a
>>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now
>>> Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or
>>> Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often
>>> go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday
>>> evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are
>>> closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on
>>> until Saturday evening.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>>   On Behalf Of
>>> janet gross
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac
>>> to Fellow Blind Computer Users.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to
>>> read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
>>>
>>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to
>>> Fellow Blind Computer Users
>>>
>>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a
>>> longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently
>>> become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message
>>> “Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may
>>> become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be
>>> resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver
>>> can resolve the issue. However, far too often, the user is unable to
>>> switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead having to simply
>>> wait for their Mac to become responsive again.
>>>
>>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically
>>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low
>>> vision users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just
>>> Safari - many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit
>>> browser engine can also be affected by the “not responding” problem.
>>>
>>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the
>>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the
>>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even
>>> owners of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver
>>> bug.
>>>
>>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS
>>> versions without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and
>>> level of disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other
>>> applications, I can unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend 

Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[John Panarese]

Google Chrome, Brave and Firefox are alternative browsers to Safari on the 
Mac. In addition Safari in Sonoma seems to work with better results on two 
different machines of mine compared to Ventura. 

There is an old expression about people and opinions that I’m sure some 
folks are familiar with. In thirty or so years in this industry, I wish I had a 
dollar for every negative review and voiced criticism of a piece of software, 
hardware, operating system etc. I’d have retired by now …


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are 
> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone tried 
> Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser?
> 
> 
> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a MAC 
>> a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a day-to-day bases.
>> 
>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 and 
>> since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a bug 
>> would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point of 
>> fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes Edge) 
>> along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long.
>> 
>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a 
>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now Jaws 
>> 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or Jaws 
>> crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often go the 
>> entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday evenings we 
>> usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are closed Sundays, 
>> but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on until Saturday 
>> evening.
>> 
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>   On Behalf Of 
>> janet gross
>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to 
>> Fellow Blind Computer Users.
>> 
>>  
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to read.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
>> 
>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow 
>> Blind Computer Users
>> 
>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding 
>> issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive 
>> with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” 
>> When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several 
>> minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from 
>> Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far 
>> too often, the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver 
>> off, instead having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.
>> 
>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically 
>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision 
>> users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - 
>> many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine 
>> can also be affected by the “not responding” problem.
>> 
>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the 
>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners 
>> of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug.
>> 
>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions 
>> without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of 
>> disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can 
>> unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on 
>> using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often 
>> critical, tasks in Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an 
>> unreliable and frustrating platform.
>> 
>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they 
>> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be 
>> utterly ashamed that they have let 

Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there 
are other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has 
anyone tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser?



On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on 
a MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a 
day-to-day bases.


Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 
and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what 
such a bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a 
web-based point of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use 
Chrome (or sometimes Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all 
day long.


Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a 
Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while 
now Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, 
Chrome or Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail 
and I often go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. 
On Saturday evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off 
since we are closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday 
morning they stay on until Saturday evening.


Best regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *janet gross

*Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend 
a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.


Hello Everyone,

Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like 
to read.



https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users


  We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to
  Fellow Blind Computer Users

As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a 
longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently 
become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message 
“Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may 
become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can 
be resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting 
VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far too often, the user is 
unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead 
having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.


This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver 
dramatically impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for 
blind and low vision users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue 
extends beyond just Safari - many other common applications that 
utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine can also be affected by the “not 
responding” problem.


It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the 
latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even 
owners of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling 
VoiceOver bug.


This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS 
versions without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and 
level of disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other 
applications, I can unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend 
Macs to anyone who relies on using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug 
when performing routine, and often critical, tasks in Safari and other 
applications simply makes macOS an unreliable and frustrating platform.


Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and 
they offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple 
should be utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so 
long without a permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious 
questions about the company's frequently stated commitment to 
accessibility. There can be no doubt that if sighted users were to 
experience something similar, that it would receive significant media 
coverage and that Apple's response would be fast.


I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and 
permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued 
VoiceOver users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of 
you who use VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility 
team at accessibil...@apple.com  to 
share your own personal experiences with and frustrations about the 
“Safari not responding” issue. It is important we continue putting 
direct, polite pressure on Apple to prioritise resolving this problem. 
Please be constructive in expressing your concerns. Consider also 
copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by using his publicly shared 
email address tc...@apple.com  to ensure he 
sees the direct impact this ongoing bug is having 

Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Brandon Olivares]

I think this is a bit overblown. Sure I sometimes get the issue but really not 
that often. I used to get it far worse before the M1 chip. Every so often it 
happens now, but restarting VoiceOver always does the trick.

I certainly remember how often Windows used to freeze up and sometimes I 
couldn’t get jaws working again so I had to do a total restart.

> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to read.
>  
> 
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
> 
> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow 
> Blind Computer Users
> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding 
> issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive 
> with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” 
> When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several 
> minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from 
> Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far 
> too often, the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver 
> off, instead having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.
> 
> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically 
> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision 
> users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - 
> many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine can 
> also be affected by the “not responding” problem.
> 
> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the latest 
> Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners of 
> top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug.
> 
> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions 
> without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of 
> disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can 
> unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on 
> using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often 
> critical, tasks in Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an 
> unreliable and frustrating platform.
> 
> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they 
> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be 
> utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long without a 
> permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions about the 
> company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There can be no 
> doubt that if sighted users were to experience something similar, that it 
> would receive significant media coverage and that Apple's response would be 
> fast.
> 
> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and 
> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued VoiceOver 
> users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you who use 
> VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team at 
> accessibil...@apple.com  to share your own 
> personal experiences with and frustrations about the “Safari not responding” 
> issue. It is important we continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple 
> to prioritise resolving this problem. Please be constructive in expressing 
> your concerns. Consider also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by 
> using his publicly shared email address tc...@apple.com 
>  to ensure he sees the direct impact this ongoing bug 
> is having on Apple's blind and low vision customers.
> 
> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the only 
> issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems in 
> macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, 
> 
>  there are numerous other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting 
> users. However, it has become a yardstick by which Apple's overall 
> performance on and commitment to accessibility is being judged. It is a 
> yardstick against which Apple has failed for some considerable time.
> 
> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives and 
> discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply consumer pressure 
> by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing new Macs until the “Safari 
> not responding” issue is fixed once and for all. Apple simply must do better 
> and restore our trust that Macs provide a stable and fully accessible 
> experience for its blind and 

RE: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a MAC a 
little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a day-to-day bases.
Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 and 
since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a bug would 
do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point of fsale and 
accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes Edge) along with 
Excel and Outlook literally all day long.
Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a 
Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now Jaws 
2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or Jaws 
crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often go the 
entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday evenings we 
usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are closed Sundays, but 
once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on until Saturday evening.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to 
Fellow Blind Computer Users.

Hello Everyone,
Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to read.


https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow 
Blind Computer Users

As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a longstanding 
issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently become unresponsive 
with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message “Safari not responding.” When 
this issue occurs, the user's Mac may become unusable for up to several minutes 
at a time. Sometimes it can be resolved by switching away from Safari. 
Sometimes restarting VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far too often, 
the user is unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead 
having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again.

This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically 
impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low vision 
users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just Safari - many 
other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine can also 
be affected by the “not responding” problem.

It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the 
specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the latest 
Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even owners of 
top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver bug.

This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS versions 
without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and level of disruption 
caused by this bug across Safari and other applications, I can unfortunately no 
longer in good faith recommend Macs to anyone who relies on using VoiceOver. 
The impact of this bug when performing routine, and often critical, tasks in 
Safari and other applications simply makes macOS an unreliable and frustrating 
platform.

Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they offer 
some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should be utterly 
ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long without a permanent 
fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions about the company's 
frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There can be no doubt that if 
sighted users were to experience something similar, that it would receive 
significant media coverage and that Apple's response would be fast.

I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and permanently 
solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued VoiceOver users for far 
too long. To this end, I encourage those of you who use VoiceOver on Mac to 
directly contact Apple's accessibility team at 
accessibil...@apple.com to share your own 
personal experiences with and frustrations about the “Safari not responding” 
issue. It is important we continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to 
prioritise resolving this problem. Please be constructive in expressing your 
concerns. Consider also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on your email by using his 
publicly shared email address tc...@apple.com to ensure 
he sees the direct impact this ongoing bug is having on Apple's blind and low 
vision customers.

I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the only 
issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems in macOS 
Sonoma and the replies 

RE: installing apple tv without a tv?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Anouk,

No problem, always happy to discuss Sonos. I have actually downsized my Sonos 
system considerably. I used to have 3 stereo pairs of Sonos One speakers, a set 
of Sonos One SL which were my rear speakers in a setup with at first a Sonos 
Playbar and Gen 1 Sub and later with an Arc and Gen 3 Sub.
We also had a stereo pair of Play 5 in the bedroom, note these were the older, 
second generation Play 5 speakers which were replaced by the Sonos Five.
The Sonos One speakers I had set up as a stereo pair in the kitchen, another 
stereo pair in my woodworking shop and the third was and actually still is a 
stereo pair in our bathroom.
The first change was that we did a pretty major renovation to the upstairs of 
our house which consisted of a living room, kitchen, a short hallway, a guest 
bedroom, another smaller bedroom which I used as office and the slightly larger 
but still not very large master bedroom, and of course also a bathroom.
I started out by ripping out all interior walls from the living room and 
hallway to the guest bedroom as well as from the guest bedroom to the office 
and from the office to the master bedroom.
This left us with one large, slightly L-shaped area for the entire half of the 
upstairs which was not stairs, kitchen and bathroom, a little more than 700 
square feet as the entire house has a footprint of just under 1100 square feet.
We then partitioned off a new, larger master bedroom across the entire width of 
the house towards the backyard, still only about 11 feet wide, but 25 feet 
across. One one end I divided off about 4 feet which is now a walk-in clothet.
The new living room where we now use the part towards the front of the house as 
a dining area, is now about 14 feet wide by 30 feet long and on the other end 
towards the bedroom wall we set up our couches and a new 8-foot long 
custom-built entertainment unit. This has our 55-inch LG OLED TV mounted on a 
wall-mount in the centre with the middle of the screen at about head height 
when  you sit on the couch as it should be. This means it’s mounted a few 
inches higher than the Sonos Arc sound bar which sits in front of the Tv. 
Wall-mounted to each side of the main couch where we usually sit to watch TV is 
a set of Era 300’s as rear speakers and just to the right when you face the TV 
and at the end of the entertainment unit is the Sonos Sub sitting against the 
wall.
As I built an entirely new wall between the bedroom and living room, I planned 
for a set of in-wall speakers which are connected to a Sonos Amp for the 
bedroom. The are pretty much perfectly situated across from the bed and with th 
ebed right in between the speakers and of course before the drywall was 
installed I installed the speaker wire to the walk-in clothet where the Sonos 
Amp sits on a high shelf with an outlet right beside it.
In the bathroom we still have a wall-mounted stereo pair of Sonos One speakers.
As I don’t do as much woodworking any more as I used to do , I didn’t feel the 
need to have a stereo pair of Sonos One speakers in my shop, we didn’t need the 
stereo pair of Play 5 speakers any more which were in our bedroom, the Sonos 
One SL stereo pair we had as rear speakers got replaced with the Era 300’s and 
in the kitchen I felt we didn’t need a permanent stereo pair of Sonos Ones, 
either. So I ended up selling the two pairs of Sonos One and the pair of Sonos 
One SL as well as my stereo pair of Play 5.
I always had a Sonos Move and added a second one setting them up as a stereo 
pair in the kitchen and as they are battery operated speakers, this would of 
course allow me to also bring them to my workshop or outside if I wanted.
I recently bought a new set of the Sonos Move 2 and I’ll probably sell my set 
of the original Moves, one is from when they first came out and the other I 
only bought last February or March so it’s only just over half a year old.
I also have a single Sonos Roam which currently sits on it’s magnetic charging 
base in the bedroom, but it’s probably the one Sonos product I use the least so 
I’ll probably sell it as well.
This means we are down to the following 4 zones/rooms:
Living room: Sonos Arc, set of Era 300 and Sonos Sub with the Arc being 
connected to the EARC HDMI port of our LG 55-Inch C2 OLED TV
Bedroom: Sonos Amp connected to a somewhat higher-end set of Paradigm E80 
in-wall speakers and in time I will probably add a Sub Mini to that room
Bathroom: stereo pair of Sonos Ones
Kitchen as well as my shop and outside: a stereo pair of Sonos Move 2

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anouk 
Radix
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: installing apple tv without a tv?

Hi, thanks fo ryour replies! Yes I have two era300s now but am planning to 
expand my system to the setup that you mentioned in your first message 
(2xera300+sub+arc). After some more thinking I think that this indeed might not 
work as I want it too 

My Wi-Fi Issue Has Been Resolved.

[janet gross]

Hi All,
For those who might be curious about what I ended up having to do to resolve my 
Wi-Fi issue.  I had to finally reset my Network settings, and then all was well.

Thank you all for who was replying, but I tried to reply to Richard and 
Sieghard, but I never did see my replies on the list.  Reason being I started 
having MS 365 issues!
  Again, thank you all for all your help.

Janet

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RE: Sharing a contact.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I got a Pop Up, and every time I try, I get the last two people I have been in 
touch with - one a message and one a call, then Air Drop. 

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Lisa Belville
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing a contact.

Carolyn,  This is for the latest version of iOS 17.


go into the contact you want to share and swipe past the general info until you 
hear share.  Double tap on this.


The next screen shows all of the fields in the contact that you can 
choose to share, like phone, address, work phone, Email, etc. you can 
deselect which ever fields you want or double tap on the done button at 
the top of the screen to share all info.


The next screen is like a regular sharing screen where you choose which 
method you want to use to send the information, text, mail, etc.


choose the option you want and enter the recipient's info.


Lisa




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On 10/8/2023 2:12 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
> Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her number
> shared. I tried doing it, ended up just texting the number
> to the other person.
>
> Question: what do I do to share a contact, please?
>
>

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RE: Sharing a contact.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I am using 16.6.1, waiting for 17.1 before updating. Good question, thanks. 

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Jessica Dail
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 3:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Sharing a contact.

Hello,
Can you pbease tell us what version of iOS you're on?
I ask because iOS17 makes this process a lot easier, by adding the "name drop" 
feature.
This feature llows you to share contact info, & choose what you wan.
For exaample, I should share just my email with you, but my email & phone with 
someone I know a little bit better.
Thanks,

Jessica Dail

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To: viPhone
Date: Sunday, October 08, 2023 03:12 PM
Subject: Sharing a contact.

Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her number shared. I tried 
doing it, ended up just texting the number to the other person. 

Question: what do I do to share a contact, please? 


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Re: Sharing a contact.

[Lisa Belville]

Carolyn,  This is for the latest version of iOS 17.


go into the contact you want to share and swipe past the general info 
until you hear share.  Double tap on this.



The next screen shows all of the fields in the contact that you can 
choose to share, like phone, address, work phone, Email, etc. you can 
deselect which ever fields you want or double tap on the done button at 
the top of the screen to share all info.



The next screen is like a regular sharing screen where you choose which 
method you want to use to send the information, text, mail, etc.



choose the option you want and enter the recipient's info.


Lisa




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On 10/8/2023 2:12 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her number
shared. I tried doing it, ended up just texting the number
to the other person.

Question: what do I do to share a contact, please?




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Re: Sharing a contact.

[Jessica Dail]

Hello,Can you pbease tell us what version of iOS you're on?I ask because iOS17 makes this process a lot easier, by adding the "name drop" feature.This feature llows you to share contact info, & choose what you wan.For exaample, I should share just my email with you, but my email & phone with someone I know a little bit better.Thanks,Jessica Dail- Original Message -From: Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com>To: viPhone Date: Sunday, October 08, 2023 03:12 PMSubject: Sharing a contact.Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her numbershared. I tried doing it, ended up just texting the numberto the other person. Question: what do I do to share a contact, please? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/0c1101d9fa1b%2455c030a0%24014091e0%24%40gmail.com.



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Sharing a contact.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Last night, I had a call, and the caller wanted her number
shared. I tried doing it, ended up just texting the number
to the other person. 

Question: what do I do to share a contact, please? 


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Re: Smart News app is broken

[Sherrie Gosling]

Smart news running fine on my SE3 and 16.7. I I do have automatic updates, turned off and appreciate warnings of apps that are broken in their updates. I think you can turn off automatic updates in settings, then general, then updates.Sherrie GoslingSent from Sherrie's iPhoneOn Oct 5, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:Hi All,The Smart News App was broken a few days ago by the Smart News update. VO will not read the headlines of any of the stories. So you do not know what news stories are there. Everything in the app works fine. Anyone have any suggestions or work arounds for now. Also on my wife’s 11 iPhone her Smart News works fine. How can I stop the apps from updating. I know years back you could turn off automatic update for the apps. Mr. Ed



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Re: installing apple tv without a tv?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, thanks fo ryour replies! Yes I have two era300s now but am planning to
expand my system to the setup that you mentioned in your first message
(2xera300+sub+arc). After some more thinking I think that this indeed might
not work as I want it too because of the fact that you would stream
video+audio from the apple tv (hope jaws reads this better now) to the arc
even if I use an earc cable.
Thanks for mentioning the extractor have been thinking about this as well.
But of course this would get really expensive pretty fast.
Just out of curiosity what sonos setup are you running at this time? I
remember talking to you on this list about sonos a few years ago and you
mentioning htat you wanted to run two play fives.
Thanks again for the help and sorry for not being clear the first time
around. Sometimes things are clear in my head but when i have to write it
down...
Greetings, Anouk,

Op zo 8 okt 2023 om 08:55 schreef Sieghard Weitzel :

> And I just re-read your message and realized you asked specifically about
> using an Apple TV connected directly to Sonos.
>
> Sorry for missing it the first time, you spelled “appletv” as one single
> word and hearing it with Jaws it didn’t sound much like “Apple TV”.
>
> Anyways, to my knowledge the Apple TV’s HDMI output has to be connected to
> a TV; I tried connecting it once to my Sonos Arc and I got nothing.
>
> Maybe there are settings you can change to make this work, I just never
> bothered a lot because my wife is sighted so we have a fairly new LG OLED
> smart TV and I never watch/listen to a movie by myself; we do enjoy some
> movies together, but if I am by myself I’ll prefer a good audio book any
> day.
>
> You may want to call Sonos support and ask if there is a work-around,
> potentially you could get it to work using one of these “Hdfury Arcana”
> adapters, they aren’t cheap, but here is the description from their website
> followed by the link:
>
>
>
> WORLD’S FIRST eARC adapter that allows FULL AUDIO up to Dolby Atmos over
> TrueHD from ANY external HDMI source to ANY eARC sound system
>
> Perfect solution for SONOS Arc and ANY eARC AVR, soundbar or headphones.
>
>
>
> In other words, if you have a Sonos Arc which I can’t quite figure out
> from your message, this adapter would probably allow you to connect your
> Apple TV which would be considered the “external HDMI source” directly to
> your Sonos Arc, but once again, I don’t have one of these gadgets so I
> can’t guaranty it will work. Here is the link to their website:
>
>
>
> Hdfury Arcana 
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Anouk Radix
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2023 10:10 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* installing apple tv without a tv?
>
>
>
> Hi this might sound like a strange question. I have 2 era300s now from
> sonos and want to make this into a surround system that I then want to use
> with an appletv to stream netflix/disney plus. Since I live alone I dont
> need a tv. Is it possible to install the appletv if I connect it via hdmi
> to the sonos arc/then use the remote for navigation? Or could i use my
> iphone for installing it?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info
>
> Greetings, Anoukk,
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RE: installing apple tv without a tv?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And I just re-read your message and realized you asked specifically about using 
an Apple TV connected directly to Sonos.
Sorry for missing it the first time, you spelled “appletv” as one single word 
and hearing it with Jaws it didn’t sound much like “Apple TV”.
Anyways, to my knowledge the Apple TV’s HDMI output has to be connected to a 
TV; I tried connecting it once to my Sonos Arc and I got nothing.
Maybe there are settings you can change to make this work, I just never 
bothered a lot because my wife is sighted so we have a fairly new LG OLED smart 
TV and I never watch/listen to a movie by myself; we do enjoy some movies 
together, but if I am by myself I’ll prefer a good audio book any day.
You may want to call Sonos support and ask if there is a work-around, 
potentially you could get it to work using one of these “Hdfury Arcana” 
adapters, they aren’t cheap, but here is the description from their website 
followed by the link:

WORLD’S FIRST eARC adapter that allows FULL AUDIO up to Dolby Atmos over TrueHD 
from ANY external HDMI source to ANY eARC sound system
Perfect solution for SONOS Arc and ANY eARC AVR, soundbar or headphones.

In other words, if you have a Sonos Arc which I can’t quite figure out from 
your message, this adapter would probably allow you to connect your Apple TV 
which would be considered the “external HDMI source” directly to your Sonos 
Arc, but once again, I don’t have one of these gadgets so I can’t guaranty it 
will work. Here is the link to their website:

Hdfury Arcana

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anouk 
Radix
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: installing apple tv without a tv?

Hi this might sound like a strange question. I have 2 era300s now from sonos 
and want to make this into a surround system that I then want to use with an 
appletv to stream netflix/disney plus. Since I live alone I dont need a tv. Is 
it possible to install the appletv if I connect it via hdmi to the sonos 
arc/then use the remote for navigation? Or could i use my iphone for installing 
it?
Thanks in advance for any info
Greetings, Anoukk,
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RE: installing apple tv without a tv?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all, two Era 300 speakers will not generate a “surround” system. You 
will get stereo sound with some spacial music features, but for a true surround 
system you need at least a Sonos Arc (or Beam 2) soundbar and a set of rear 
speakers and for that the Era 300 will give you the best possible sound if you 
are able to stream Dolby Atmos content. Ideally you would have at least one 
Sonos Sub as part of that system as well, the setup can support up to two Sonos 
Subs.
Now, as for streaming Netflix and Disney Plus there is only one option as far 
as I know if you don’t own either a smart TV or an Apple TV connected to a TV 
which in turn is again connected to a Dolby Atmos capable Sonos sound bar via 
an EARC port (that stands for enhanced audio return channel),.. That option 
would be to play your movie on your iPhone or of course on an iPad and to then 
send it to your Era 300 speakers via Airplay. I guess considering that the Era 
300 does have a USB-C input which requires a special adapter from Sonos, you 
could potentially connect your iPhone or an iPad to them with a cable although 
I am not sure what if any advantages that would give you.
The Sonos app itself give you access to the largest collection of free and paid 
music services I have seen in such platforms, but there is no native way to 
stream Netflix or Disney Plus or even YouTube, anything which involves video 
has to come from a TV and a connected Sonos sound bar.
Having said all this listening to a movie which you sent to your set of Era 300 
speakers via Airplay would still sound very nice, but you would not get a true 
surround sound let alone Dolby Atmos experience.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anouk 
Radix
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: installing apple tv without a tv?

Hi this might sound like a strange question. I have 2 era300s now from sonos 
and want to make this into a surround system that I then want to use with an 
appletv to stream netflix/disney plus. Since I live alone I dont need a tv. Is 
it possible to install the appletv if I connect it via hdmi to the sonos 
arc/then use the remote for navigation? Or could i use my iphone for installing 
it?
Thanks in advance for any info
Greetings, Anoukk,
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