RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Carolyn Arnold]

That makes sense. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

Hi Carolyn,

I also have Bluetooth hearing aids, and when I am using them, I am getting the 
sound rather than the haptic feedback when I initiate Siri. Very interesting. I 
imagine that is the way it is supposed to work.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have Bluetooth in my hearing aids, which is probably the reason why I got 
> a sound for Siri. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 12:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
> 
> I just played with this a little and I learned something.
> 
> If I am using the phone speaker, then it does the haptic vibrations instead 
> of the sound when pressing the button for Siri.  But if I am wearing my 
> Airpods, then I do hear the sound.
> 
> So the sound is still there, but it is turned off for some reason when using 
> the phone speaker.
> 
> I do think Siri just has hiccups from time to time.  I experienced this no 
> matter what version of iOS I was running.
> 
> For best results, wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the side button before 
> issuing the command.
> 
> I just asked Siri to open 5 or 6 different apps back to back, and she did 
> them all perfectly.  And one of those was mail, of which I opened multiple 
> times.
> 
> One tip:
> You can train Siri to listen and understand you better.
> Go to Settings, Siri and Search.
> Even though I previously had this set to on, when updating to iOS 17.1, it 
> turned off the listen for Siri.
> Just tap on Siri, hey siri, or both siri and hey siri to turn it on and do 
> the practice speaking.
> After hitting the continue button, it will give you 5 short siri commands.  
> It will read the command to you, then you are to repeat them.  Once done, you 
> are all set.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris Chaffin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row 
> successfully.
> 
> 
> 
>I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when 
> holding in the side button, but that is one that writing 
> accessibil...@apple.com   and providing 
> feedback through www.apple.com/feedback   is a 
> good idea.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Richard, USA.
> 
>“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> 
> 
>My web site: https://www.turner42.com  
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
> 
> 
>I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when 
> after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was 
> answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered 
> "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please try again 
> later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get 
> the same thing.
> 
> 
> 
>Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold 
> the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if 
> VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.
> 
> 
> 
>But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
> 
> 
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RE: Annoying Emergency Update.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I get:

Bluetooth Switch Button on

Allow new connections. New Blutooth connections have been turned off at the 
Control Center (that happened, when I was trying to get rid of the device I 
used to have)

Devices

In progress

To pair an Apple watch with your iPhone, go to the Apple watch link

No better at the Control Center. 

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
joseph hudson
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Annoying Emergency Update.

Hi Carolyn, if you flick down to more info on the device, that you no longer 
have, and double tap on more info, there is a button that says forget this 
device. Double tap on that, and the device will be forgotten.

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have two problems now, so I will have to call Apple about that and my 
> Bluetooth, where I can't get it turned off for a device that I no longer 
> possess. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Annoying Emergency Update.
> 
> Try hitting deal with this later, or whatever it says.
> If that doesn't work, then yes, call Apple Accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:12 AM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Annoying Emergency Update.
> 
> So, every time I check Settings, I get 
> 
> One new item
> 
> I have gone to update emergency information. I have double tapped done. 
> Still, when I tap Settings, it says one new item. All the new information is 
> there. I have pressed done.
> Yet, it still annoys me with that One New Item. 
> 
> Am I going to have to call Apple Accessibility? I just don't know why it 
> keeps saying that. I have been tempted to press Cancel, but think maybe if I 
> did that, the new information would go away, and that I'd still be annoyed 
> with the message of One New Item. 
> 
> Anyone have any ideas? 
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Re: changing alarm sound

[Richard Turner]

You do not need to use a ringtone for alarms. Songs, mp3 or m4a work fine for 
alarm sounds. 
'

Richard, USA 
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"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 2:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think Richard already explained it, you absolutely can select a song from 
> your music library, but as Richard said, the key is that the song has to be 
> downloaded to your iPhone, if it's in the cloud it won't work.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
> 
> She might need to convert that song to a ringtone first.
> 
>> On 10/27/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I believe the original poster wanted to use a song in her music
>> library for the alarm and not one of the provided tones.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>> 
>> Hi Paula.  I just changed my alarm sound and tried an alarm, and all
>> worked well.  I went to my clock, then to add, I chose the time for my
>> alarm, and called it a quick test.  I then swiped over and I saw sound
>> and a button.  I double tapped on the button, and I was taken in to my
>> various ring tomes, I chose the one I wanted, then I went to the top
>> of the screen and a back button, then I double tapped on save.  I was
>> good to go from then on.  All worked very well.  I don't use alarms
>> much, but it is good to know I can set them if I wish.
>> 
>>> On 10/27/23, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>>> Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded.
>>> 
>>> I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe
>>> I’ll just have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying
>>> an 17.1 as the previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>>> 
>>> God bless!
>>> 
>>> Paula and the pups
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Chris Chaffin
>>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I
>>> had the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But now it works for me.  This is what I did.
>>> 
>>> Open music, go to library, and find that song.
>>> 
>>> Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose
>>> download.
>>> 
>>> In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be
>>> downloaded to your device.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.
>>> 
>>> Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is
>>> turned off.
>>> 
>>> I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not
>>> have to do that if downloading it works.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Chaffin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound
>>> set for a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:
>>> 
>>> 1.Open clock
>>> 2.Flick left to add
>>> 3.Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
>>> 4.Flick left to the back button
>>> 5.Set an alarm time
>>> 6.Flick left to save.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to
>>> write the steps down just in case I loose the email.
>>> 
>>> God bless!
>>> 
>>> Paula and the pups
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on
>>> sound, you should be able to flick through to song, and double tap
>>> and pick something from your library.
>>> 
>>> I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always.
>>> 
>>> So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will
>>> be the answerÎ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> 
>>> ——
>>> 
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>>> Wesley
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change
>>> the sound on my alarm, however, the phone 

RE: changing alarm sound

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think Richard already explained it, you absolutely can select a song from 
your music library, but as Richard said, the key is that the song has to be 
downloaded to your iPhone, if it's in the cloud it won't work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

She might need to convert that song to a ringtone first.

On 10/27/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I believe the original poster wanted to use a song in her music 
> library for the alarm and not one of the provided tones.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
> Hi Paula.  I just changed my alarm sound and tried an alarm, and all 
> worked well.  I went to my clock, then to add, I chose the time for my 
> alarm, and called it a quick test.  I then swiped over and I saw sound 
> and a button.  I double tapped on the button, and I was taken in to my 
> various ring tomes, I chose the one I wanted, then I went to the top 
> of the screen and a back button, then I double tapped on save.  I was 
> good to go from then on.  All worked very well.  I don't use alarms 
> much, but it is good to know I can set them if I wish.
>
> On 10/27/23, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded.
>>
>> I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe 
>> I’ll just have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying 
>> an 17.1 as the previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Chris Chaffin
>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I 
>> had the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> But now it works for me.  This is what I did.
>>
>> Open music, go to library, and find that song.
>>
>> Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose 
>> download.
>>
>> In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be 
>> downloaded to your device.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.
>>
>> Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is 
>> turned off.
>>
>> I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not 
>> have to do that if downloading it works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Chaffin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan >  > wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound 
>> set for a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:
>>
>> 1.   Open clock
>> 2.   Flick left to add
>> 3.   Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
>> 4.   Flick left to the back button
>> 5.   Set an alarm time
>> 6.   Flick left to save.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to 
>> write the steps down just in case I loose the email.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on 
>> sound, you should be able to flick through to song, and double tap 
>> and pick something from your library.
>>
>> I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always.
>>
>> So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will 
>> be the answerÎ
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> ——
>>
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley
>>
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan >  > wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change 
>> the sound on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the 
>> obnoxious default sound.  I’d like to change it to play a song that 
>> is on my phone, but can’t seem to get it to work.  Could someone 
>> please talk me through the steps.  I plan to update to 17.1 when it’s 
>> available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help would 
>> be most appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
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RE: Reading Books

['Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard.  I was trying to use 3 fingers.

Karen 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading Books

I just opened the books app, and found a book I had downloaded. I found chapter 
1 after opening the menu and tapping around. Once I touched in the text and 
flicked down with two fingers, it read and flipped pages just fine. 
You cannot lock the phone and have it continue reading. If you want to do that, 
that is a setting not just about VO. It is under Spoken Content under 
accessibility. I'll look it up if you need it. 

Richard, USA 
��
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." � John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:22�AM, 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> ?Oops!  I apologize.   I'm using the Books app that came on the phone.
> 
> It's probably been a year since I've read a book on my phone, and it may have 
> been before I received my current phone, which is the latest SE.
> 
> Karen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading Books
> 
> What app are you using?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> ?Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.?  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reading Books
> 
> I don't read a lot of books on my pone, but just purchased one, and things 
> aren't working as I thought they did when I purchased my last book.
> 
> On my iPhone Se, with IOS 6.7,  I can't seem to figure out how to read 
> continuously.  When I touch the screen, it will read what I think is a 
> paragraph at a time.  Is there a setting I need to change? or, a gesture I 
> can't seem to figure out?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Karen P
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Re: changing alarm sound

[Joshua Hendrickson]

She might need to convert that song to a ringtone first.

On 10/27/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I believe the original poster wanted to use a song in her music library for
> the alarm and not one of the provided tones.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
> Hi Paula.  I just changed my alarm sound and tried an alarm, and all worked
> well.  I went to my clock, then to add, I chose the time for my alarm, and
> called it a quick test.  I then swiped over and I saw sound and a button.  I
> double tapped on the button, and I was taken in to my various ring tomes, I
> chose the one I wanted, then I went to the top of the screen and a back
> button, then I double tapped on save.  I was good to go from then on.  All
> worked very well.  I don't use alarms much, but it is good to know I can set
> them if I wish.
>
> On 10/27/23, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>> Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded.
>>
>> I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe
>> I’ll just have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying
>> an 17.1 as the previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Chris Chaffin
>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I
>> had the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> But now it works for me.  This is what I did.
>>
>> Open music, go to library, and find that song.
>>
>> Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose
>> download.
>>
>> In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be
>> downloaded to your device.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.
>>
>> Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is
>> turned off.
>>
>> I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not
>> have to do that if downloading it works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Chaffin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan >  > wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound
>> set for a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:
>>
>> 1.   Open clock
>> 2.   Flick left to add
>> 3.   Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
>> 4.   Flick left to the back button
>> 5.   Set an alarm time
>> 6.   Flick left to save.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to
>> write the steps down just in case I loose the email.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on
>> sound, you should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and
>> pick something from your library.
>>
>> I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always.
>>
>> So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will
>> be the answerÎ
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA
>>
>> ——
>>
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>> Wesley
>>
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan >  > wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change
>> the sound on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the
>> obnoxious default sound.  I’d like to change it to play a song that is
>> on my phone, but can’t seem to get it to work.  Could someone please
>> talk me through the steps.  I plan to update to 17.1 when it’s
>> available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help would be
>> most appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> God bless!
>>
>> Paula and the pups
>>
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RE: changing alarm sound

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I believe the original poster wanted to use a song in her music library for the 
alarm and not one of the provided tones.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

Hi Paula.  I just changed my alarm sound and tried an alarm, and all worked 
well.  I went to my clock, then to add, I chose the time for my alarm, and 
called it a quick test.  I then swiped over and I saw sound and a button.  I 
double tapped on the button, and I was taken in to my various ring tomes, I 
chose the one I wanted, then I went to the top of the screen and a back button, 
then I double tapped on save.  I was good to go from then on.  All worked very 
well.  I don't use alarms much, but it is good to know I can set them if I wish.

On 10/27/23, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded.
>
> I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe 
> I’ll just have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying 
> an 17.1 as the previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I 
> had the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.
>
>
>
> But now it works for me.  This is what I did.
>
> Open music, go to library, and find that song.
>
> Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose 
> download.
>
> In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be 
> downloaded to your device.
>
>
>
> If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.
>
> Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is 
> turned off.
>
> I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not 
> have to do that if downloading it works.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Chris Chaffin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan   > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound 
> set for a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:
>
> 1.Open clock
> 2.Flick left to add
> 3.Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
> 4.Flick left to the back button
> 5.Set an alarm time
> 6.Flick left to save.
>
>
>
> I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?
>
> Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to 
> write the steps down just in case I loose the email.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
>
>
> Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on 
> sound, you should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and 
> pick something from your library.
>
> I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always.
>
> So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will 
> be the answerÎ
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> ——
>
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
> Wesley
>
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan   > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change 
> the sound on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the 
> obnoxious default sound.  I’d like to change it to play a song that is 
> on my phone, but can’t seem to get it to work.  Could someone please 
> talk me through the steps.  I plan to update to 17.1 when it’s 
> available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help would be most 
> appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
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Re: Reading Books

[Richard Turner]

I just opened the books app, and found a book I had downloaded. I found chapter 
1 after opening the menu and tapping around. Once I touched in the text and 
flicked down with two fingers, it read and flipped pages just fine. 
You cannot lock the phone and have it continue reading. If you want to do that, 
that is a setting not just about VO. It is under Spoken Content under 
accessibility. I'll look it up if you need it. 

Richard, USA 
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:22 AM, 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oops!  I apologize.   I'm using the Books app that came on the phone.
> 
> It's probably been a year since I've read a book on my phone, and it may have 
> been before I received my current phone, which is the latest SE.
> 
> Karen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading Books
> 
> What app are you using?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> �Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.�  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reading Books
> 
> I don't read a lot of books on my pone, but just purchased one, and things 
> aren't working as I thought they did when I purchased my last book.
> 
> On my iPhone Se, with IOS 6.7,  I can't seem to figure out how to read 
> continuously.  When I touch the screen, it will read what I think is a 
> paragraph at a time.  Is there a setting I need to change? or, a gesture I 
> can't seem to figure out?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Karen P
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Re: changing alarm sound

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Hi Paula.  I just changed my alarm sound and tried an alarm, and all
worked well.  I went to my clock, then to add, I chose the time for my
alarm, and called it a quick test.  I then swiped over and I saw sound
and a button.  I double tapped on the button, and I was taken in to my
various ring tomes, I chose the one I wanted, then I went to the top
of the screen and a back button, then I double tapped on save.  I was
good to go from then on.  All worked very well.  I don't use alarms
much, but it is good to know I can set them if I wish.

On 10/27/23, Paula Jordan  wrote:
> Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded.
>
> I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe I’ll
> just have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying an 17.1 as
> the previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris
> Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I had
> the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.
>
>
>
> But now it works for me.  This is what I did.
>
> Open music, go to library, and find that song.
>
> Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose
> download.
>
> In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be downloaded to
> your device.
>
>
>
> If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.
>
> Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is turned
> off.
>
> I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not have
> to do that if downloading it works.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Chris Chaffin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan   > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound set for
> a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:
>
> 1.Open clock
> 2.Flick left to add
> 3.Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
> 4.Flick left to the back button
> 5.Set an alarm time
> 6.Flick left to save.
>
>
>
> I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?
>
> Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to write the
> steps down just in case I loose the email.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: changing alarm sound
>
>
>
> Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on sound, you
> should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and pick something
> from your library.
>
> I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always.
>
> So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will be the
> answerÎ
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> ——
>
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan   > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change the
> sound on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the obnoxious default
> sound.  I’d like to change it to play a song that is on my phone, but can’t
> seem to get it to work.  Could someone please talk me through the steps.  I
> plan to update to 17.1 when it’s available, so perhaps I should wait until I
> update.  Any help would be most appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and the pups
>
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I get this as well at times, but for the nmost part there does seem to be some 
sort of learning/memory going on if I call somebody and have to specify which 
phone, often the next time it will default to that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It doesn't matter if it has been reported, if you have this issue you should 
report it because if only 1 person reports it Apple will probably pay little 
attention to it. If 100 people report it maybe it gets higher priority.
This does happen for me at times or at least it used to, now not so much any 
more, but usually if you wait it will restart after it beeps, at least for me 
it usually does. Actually in the beginning it would sometiems just say "You 
said" and then it would beep, but then it would go again if I didn't touch the 
screen and the second time around  it would usually read the entire message and 
then ask if I wanted to send it.
As a final thought, any time I have to send a slightly longer message or one 
which I know will contain words or names Siri is likely to get wrong and where 
I have to edit them, I usually open Messages or Mail or whatever app and use 
dictation because I can then dictate in smaller portions of text and I find it 
is a lot quicker to edit something.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I hate it when siri doesn't finish confirmation of messages I send to people, 
it beeps prior and cuts itself off midsentence so I feel I have to manually 
send it either using dictation or braille screen input. It’s been doing that 
ever since I upgraded to iOS 17 and I have iOS 17.1 now. Any Anybody having 
this issue where Siri cuts itself off? Are there any solutions around it? Has 
Has this bug been reported to Apple?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 11:36 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, 
> Las Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
> "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."
> Elbert Hubbard
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RE: changing alarm sound

[Paula Jordan]

Hi Chris.  The song is already downloaded. 

I can’t find a place that lets me choose audio.  Where is it.  Maybe I’ll just 
have to deal with the default which isn’t quite as annoying an 17.1 as the 
previous sound.  Thanks for the suggestions.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

 

 

OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I had the 
song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.

 

But now it works for me.  This is what I did.

Open music, go to library, and find that song.

Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose download.

In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be downloaded to 
your device.

 

If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.

Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is turned off.

I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not have to 
do that if downloading it works.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Chris Chaffin

 





On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:



Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound set for a 
particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:

1.  Open clock
2.  Flick left to add
3.  Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
4.  Flick left to the back button
5.  Set an alarm time
6.  Flick left to save.

 

I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?

Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to write the 
steps down just in case I loose the email.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

 

Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on sound, you 
should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and pick something from 
your library. 

I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always. 

So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will be the 
answerÎ 

 

Richard, USA 

——

"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley

(Sent from my iPhone)






On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:



Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change the sound 
on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the obnoxious default sound.  
I’d like to change it to play a song that is on my phone, but can’t seem to get 
it to work.  Could someone please talk me through the steps.  I plan to update 
to 17.1 when it’s available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help 
would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Carolyn,

I also have Bluetooth hearing aids, and when I am using them, I am getting the 
sound rather than the haptic feedback when I initiate Siri. Very interesting. I 
imagine that is the way it is supposed to work.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have Bluetooth in my hearing aids, which is probably the reason why I got 
> a sound for Siri. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 12:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
> 
> I just played with this a little and I learned something.
> 
> If I am using the phone speaker, then it does the haptic vibrations instead 
> of the sound when pressing the button for Siri.  But if I am wearing my 
> Airpods, then I do hear the sound.
> 
> So the sound is still there, but it is turned off for some reason when using 
> the phone speaker.
> 
> I do think Siri just has hiccups from time to time.  I experienced this no 
> matter what version of iOS I was running.
> 
> For best results, wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the side button before 
> issuing the command.
> 
> I just asked Siri to open 5 or 6 different apps back to back, and she did 
> them all perfectly.  And one of those was mail, of which I opened multiple 
> times.
> 
> One tip:
> You can train Siri to listen and understand you better.
> Go to Settings, Siri and Search.
> Even though I previously had this set to on, when updating to iOS 17.1, it 
> turned off the listen for Siri.
> Just tap on Siri, hey siri, or both siri and hey siri to turn it on and do 
> the practice speaking.
> After hitting the continue button, it will give you 5 short siri commands.  
> It will read the command to you, then you are to repeat them.  Once done, you 
> are all set.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris Chaffin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row 
> successfully.
> 
> 
> 
>I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when 
> holding in the side button, but that is one that writing 
> accessibil...@apple.com   and providing 
> feedback through www.apple.com/feedback   is a 
> good idea.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Richard, USA.
> 
>“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> 
> 
>My web site: https://www.turner42.com  
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
>Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
> 
> 
>I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when 
> after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was 
> answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered 
> "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please try again 
> later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get 
> the same thing.
> 
> 
> 
>Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold 
> the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if 
> VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.
> 
> 
> 
>But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
> 
> 
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RE: Reading Books

['Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone]

Oops!  I apologize.   I'm using the Books app that came on the phone.

It's probably been a year since I've read a book on my phone, and it may have 
been before I received my current phone, which is the latest SE.

Karen

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reading Books

What app are you using?





Richard, USA.
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-Original Message-
From: 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reading Books

I don't read a lot of books on my pone, but just purchased one, and things 
aren't working as I thought they did when I purchased my last book.

On my iPhone Se, with IOS 6.7,  I can't seem to figure out how to read 
continuously.  When I touch the screen, it will read what I think is a 
paragraph at a time.  Is there a setting I need to change? or, a gesture I 
can't seem to figure out?

Any help is appreciated.

Karen P

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Re: Annoying Emergency Update.

[joseph hudson]

Hi Carolyn, if you flick down to more info on the device, that you no longer 
have, and double tap on more info, there is a button that says forget this 
device. Double tap on that, and the device will be forgotten.

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have two problems now, so I will have to call Apple about that and my 
> Bluetooth, where I can't get it turned off for a device that I no longer 
> possess. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Annoying Emergency Update.
> 
> Try hitting deal with this later, or whatever it says.
> If that doesn't work, then yes, call Apple Accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:12 AM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Annoying Emergency Update.
> 
> So, every time I check Settings, I get 
> 
> One new item
> 
> I have gone to update emergency information. I have double tapped done. 
> Still, when I tap Settings, it says one new item. All the new information is 
> there. I have pressed done.
> Yet, it still annoys me with that One New Item. 
> 
> Am I going to have to call Apple Accessibility? I just don't know why it 
> keeps saying that. I have been tempted to press Cancel, but think maybe if I 
> did that, the new information would go away, and that I'd still be annoyed 
> with the message of One New Item. 
> 
> Anyone have any ideas? 
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RE: Reading Books

[Richard Turner]

What app are you using?





Richard, USA.
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reading Books

I don't read a lot of books on my pone, but just purchased one, and things 
aren't working as I thought they did when I purchased my last book.

On my iPhone Se, with IOS 6.7,  I can't seem to figure out how to read 
continuously.  When I touch the screen, it will read what I think is a 
paragraph at a time.  Is there a setting I need to change? or, a gesture I 
can't seem to figure out?

Any help is appreciated.

Karen P

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RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't use Siri to open apps either, but this doesn't mean it shouldn't work 
for those who do want to use this feature.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

I never use Siri to open apps.  I never saw the point.  I also don't mind the 
no Siri sound when holding down the side button.  Really, it isn't that big a 
deal.

On 10/27/23, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face
> when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and
> was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I
> answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please
> try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to
> open mail, I get the same thing.
>
>
> Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and
> hold the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you
> would get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to
> reverse this one.
>
>
> But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
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RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have Bluetooth in my hearing aids, which is probably the reason why I got a 
sound for Siri. 

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Chris Chaffin
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 12:25 PM
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Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse


I just played with this a little and I learned something.

If I am using the phone speaker, then it does the haptic vibrations instead of 
the sound when pressing the button for Siri.  But if I am wearing my Airpods, 
then I do hear the sound.

So the sound is still there, but it is turned off for some reason when using 
the phone speaker.

I do think Siri just has hiccups from time to time.  I experienced this no 
matter what version of iOS I was running.

For best results, wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the side button before 
issuing the command.

I just asked Siri to open 5 or 6 different apps back to back, and she did them 
all perfectly.  And one of those was mail, of which I opened multiple times.

One tip:
You can train Siri to listen and understand you better.
Go to Settings, Siri and Search.
Even though I previously had this set to on, when updating to iOS 17.1, it 
turned off the listen for Siri.
Just tap on Siri, hey siri, or both siri and hey siri to turn it on and do the 
practice speaking.
After hitting the continue button, it will give you 5 short siri commands.  It 
will read the command to you, then you are to repeat them.  Once done, you are 
all set.

Hope this helps.

Chris Chaffin




On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:





I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row 
successfully.

 

I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound 
when holding in the side button, but that is one that writing 
accessibil...@apple.com   and providing 
feedback through www.apple.com/feedback   is a 
good idea.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse

 

I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when 
after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was answered 
with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered "mail," and was 
immediately told something went wrong, please try again later. Well, later 
hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get the same thing.

 

Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and 
hold the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get 
if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.

 

But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.

 

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RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Carolyn Arnold]

Siri is working for me in 17.1. It makes sort of a different sound. 

I asked her a couple of questions and got her to make a call, which I normally 
don't do. Siri made the call for me, and answered my questions. 

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I never use Siri to open apps.  I never saw the point.  I also don't mind the 
no Siri sound when holding down the side button.  Really, it isn't that big a 
deal.

On 10/27/23, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face 
> when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and 
> was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I 
> answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please 
> try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to 
> open mail, I get the same thing.
>
>
> Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and 
> hold the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you 
> would get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to 
> reverse this one.
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> But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Dave Grossoehme]

I've had Alexa start telling me about something that we are talking 
about, when she hasn't even spoken to.  Her name was not referenced in 
anyway.  I've also had the Googgle Pod start copying me or start singing 
a song on the spoken subject.  In which case that is worse than the 
dumbest of Seri.


Dave


On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set up called 
"Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start Carol's timer," 
and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which is what we 
get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean Artificial!


  




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
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I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
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Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
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RE: Annoying Emergency Update.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have two problems now, so I will have to call Apple about that and my 
Bluetooth, where I can't get it turned off for a device that I no longer 
possess. 

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Try hitting deal with this later, or whatever it says.
If that doesn't work, then yes, call Apple Accessibility.




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Arnold
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:12 AM
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Subject: Annoying Emergency Update.

So, every time I check Settings, I get 

One new item

I have gone to update emergency information. I have double tapped done. Still, 
when I tap Settings, it says one new item. All the new information is there. I 
have pressed done.
Yet, it still annoys me with that One New Item. 

Am I going to have to call Apple Accessibility? I just don't know why it keeps 
saying that. I have been tempted to press Cancel, but think maybe if I did 
that, the new information would go away, and that I'd still be annoyed with the 
message of One New Item. 

Anyone have any ideas? 

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Re: changing alarm sound

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OK, I just tried this myself, and at first, it did the same thing.  I had the song selected, but it still played the default sound for me.But now it works for me.  This is what I did.Open music, go to library, and find that song.Flick down, and download should be one of your choices.  So choose download.In order for any song to be used as an alarm sound, it must be downloaded to your device.If this for some reason does not work, then I have one more thing to try.Go to music, swipe and choose audio quality.  Make sure lossess is turned off.I read online that this sometimes caused an issue.  But you might not have to do that if downloading it works.Hope this helps.Chris ChaffinOn Oct 27, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound set for a particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take: Open clock Flick left to addFlick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.Flick left to the back buttonSet an alarm timeFlick left to save. I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to write the steps down just in case I loose the email.God bless!Paula and the pups From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: changing alarm sound Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on sound, you should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and pick something from your library. I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always. So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will be the answerΠ Richard, USA ——"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley(Sent from my iPhone)On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan  wrote:Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change the sound on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the obnoxious default sound.  I’d like to change it to play a song that is on my phone, but can’t seem to get it to work.  Could someone please talk me through the steps.  I plan to update to 17.1 when it’s available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help would be most appreciated.  Thanks.God bless!Paula and the pups-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/026501da05e1%24ba2d6a90%242e883fb0%24%40roadrunner.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/764FCE85-EBEF-4477-A698-4E9BA8A4BA51%40comcast.net.



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Re: seo in communication

[Dave Grossoehme]

Yes I received several emails from them with a link in it only.

Dave


On 10/26/2023 1:00 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

In the past few hours, I have gotten a bunch of e-mails from this list 
filtered properly into my viPhone folder that contain only links.  I 
would think this must be some sort of Spam.  Is anyone else receiving 
these types of e-mails?



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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Actually, I don't use Siri for opening apps either. I just tried it 
yesterday for the first time after reading some of the posts here about 
people having problems and it worked fine.


Evan


On 10/27/2023 12:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
necessary at all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
the others.

Mark

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Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
Apple.
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RE: changing alarm sound

[Paula Jordan]

I forgot to add that I’m running IOS 17.1 using an Iphone 13 mini.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing alarm sound

 

Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound set for a 
particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:

1.  Open clock
2.  Flick left to add
3.  Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
4.  Flick left to the back button
5.  Set an alarm time
6.  Flick left to save.

 

I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?

Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to write the 
steps down just in case I loose the email.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

 

Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on sound, you 
should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and pick something from 
your library. 

I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always. 

So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will be the 
answerÎ 

 

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Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change the sound 
on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the obnoxious default sound.  
I’d like to change it to play a song that is on my phone, but can’t seem to get 
it to work.  Could someone please talk me through the steps.  I plan to update 
to 17.1 when it’s available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help 
would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: changing alarm sound

[Paula Jordan]

Richard and all, I am still having difficulty getting my alarm sound set for a 
particular song in my play list.  Here are the steps I take:

1.  Open clock
2.  Flick left to add
3.  Flick right to sound (the song title shows up Double tap on that.
4.  Flick left to the back button
5.  Set an alarm time
6.  Flick left to save.

 

I still get the default sound when I set an alarm.  What am I missing?

Thanks for your patience.  Once this gets figured out I’m going to write the 
steps down just in case I loose the email.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing alarm sound

 

Well, unless something changed in 17.0.3, when you double tap on sound, you 
should be able to flick through to song, and double tap and pick something from 
your library. 

I'm on the 17.1 beta 3 and everything works as always. 

So maybe trying 17.1 when it is released if it isn't working now will be the 
answerÎ 

 

Richard, USA 

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(Sent from my iPhone)





On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Paula Jordan mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:



Hi all. I’ve asked this question some time ago and was able to change the sound 
on my alarm, however, the phone has gone back to the obnoxious default sound.  
I’d like to change it to play a song that is on my phone, but can’t seem to get 
it to work.  Could someone please talk me through the steps.  I plan to update 
to 17.1 when it’s available, so perhaps I should wait until I update.  Any help 
would be most appreciated.  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Chris Chaffin]

I just played with this a little and I learned something.If I am using the phone speaker, then it does the haptic vibrations instead of the sound when pressing the button for Siri.  But if I am wearing my Airpods, then I do hear the sound.So the sound is still there, but it is turned off for some reason when using the phone speaker.I do think Siri just has hiccups from time to time.  I experienced this no matter what version of iOS I was running.For best results, wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the side button before issuing the command.I just asked Siri to open 5 or 6 different apps back to back, and she did them all perfectly.  And one of those was mail, of which I opened multiple times.One tip:You can train Siri to listen and understand you better.Go to Settings, Siri and Search.Even though I previously had this set to on, when updating to iOS 17.1, it turned off the listen for Siri.Just tap on Siri, hey siri, or both siri and hey siri to turn it on and do the practice speaking.After hitting the continue button, it will give you 5 short siri commands.  It will read the command to you, then you are to repeat them.  Once done, you are all set.Hope this helps.Chris ChaffinOn Oct 27, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row successfully. I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when holding in the side button, but that is one that writing accessibil...@apple.com and providing feedback through www.apple.com/feedback is a good idea.Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve MatzuraSent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: 17.1 just made iOS worse I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get the same thing. Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one. But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/f6a93687-ec36-414d-a60e-92de022ae80c%40gmail.com.



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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
> instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
> wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
> request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
> which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
> of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
> necessary at all.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
> rick.alf...@gmail.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>
> I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
> you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
> app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
> Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
> to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
> give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
> one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
> after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
> so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
> that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
> Get it together on Siri.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
>> find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
>> opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
>> iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
>> into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
>> text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
>> list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
>> addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
>> call (998) 555-.
>> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Mary,
>>>
>>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>>
>>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
>>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
>>> the others.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
>>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
>>> than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
>>> Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
>>> that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
>>> Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
>>> find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
>>> the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
>>> much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
>>> the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
>>> Apple.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I never use Siri to open apps.  I never saw the point.  I also don't
mind the no Siri sound when holding down the side button.  Really, it
isn't that big a deal.

On 10/27/23, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face
> when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and
> was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I
> answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please
> try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to
> open mail, I get the same thing.
>
>
> Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold
> the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would
> get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse
> this one.
>
>
> But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Now that's weird because I told her to open TuneIn yesterday twice, and 
she opened it without saying anything.


Also, I have told her to call a couple of numbers in my Contacts and she 
said that she was calling them, although her inflection does sound 
different in 17.1. But for the things I use her for, she's working here 
the same as before the update.


Evan

On 10/27/2023 9:25 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I don't mind not having the sound.  I feel a small vibration on my
finger when I hold down the side button.  I feel the vibration and I
know its time to ask Siri my command.

On 10/27/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row
> successfully.
>
>
>
> I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when
> holding in the side button, but that is one that writing
> accessibil...@apple.com   and providing
> feedback through www.apple.com/feedback   is
> a good idea.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
>
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>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve
> Matzura
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse
>
>
>
> I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard about
> and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when after
> upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was answered
> with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered "mail," and
> was immediately told something went wrong, please try again later. Well,
> later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get the same
> thing.
>
>
>
> Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold the
> side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if
> VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.
>
>
>
> But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
>
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Re: noticed when I was recording something, phone call ringer didn't come through speaker.

[Kimberly Gardner]

Chris,

I think Jonathan Mosen was talking about a similar issue on the last
episode of his podcast. I can't recall how he fixed it, but he did fix
it. The podcast is living blindfully and it's the most recent episode.

I hope this helps.

Kim

On 10/18/23, Chris Judd  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Tonight, I was recording something, and I received a phone call, but I
> didn't hear the ring tone come through the speaker.
> I tried just press record, and I also tried audio memos, but got the
> same result.
> I would like to record things, and if I get a call, have the ring tone
> come through.  I noticed that in a previous update, just press record
> talked about phone calls not intrupting recordings.
> Any help would be apppreciated.  If anyone still knows of a recording
> app that works, let me know.
> Chris
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RE: Annoying Emergency Update.

[Richard Turner]

Try hitting deal with this later, or whatever it says.
If that doesn't work, then yes, call Apple Accessibility.




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-Original Message-
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Arnold
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:12 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Annoying Emergency Update.

So, every time I check Settings, I get 

One new item

I have gone to update emergency information. I have double tapped done. Still, 
when I tap Settings, it says one new item. All the new information is there. I 
have pressed done.
Yet, it still annoys me with that One New Item. 

Am I going to have to call Apple Accessibility? I just don't know why it keeps 
saying that. I have been tempted to press Cancel, but think maybe if I did 
that, the new information would go away, and that I'd still be annoyed with the 
message of One New Item. 

Anyone have any ideas? 

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RE: 17.1 just made iOS worse

[Richard Turner]

I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row 
successfully.

 

I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when 
holding in the side button, but that is one that writing 
accessibil...@apple.com   and providing 
feedback through www.apple.com/feedback   is a 
good idea.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Matzura
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse

 

I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard about 
and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when after 
upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was answered with 
"which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered "mail," and was 
immediately told something went wrong, please try again later. Well, later 
hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get the same thing.

 

Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold the 
side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if 
VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.

 

But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.

 

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Annoying Emergency Update.

[Carolyn Arnold]

So, every time I check Settings, I get 

One new item

I have gone to update emergency information. I have double
tapped done. Still, when I tap Settings, it says one new
item. All the new information is there. I have pressed done.
Yet, it still annoys me with that One New Item. 

Am I going to have to call Apple Accessibility? I just don't
know why it keeps saying that. I have been tempted to press
Cancel, but think maybe if I did that, the new information
would go away, and that I'd still be annoyed with the
message of One New Item. 

Anyone have any ideas? 

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17.1 just made iOS worse

[Steve Matzura]

I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face 
when after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and 
was answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I 
answered "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please 
try again later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to 
open mail, I get the same thing.



Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold 
the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would 
get if VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse 
this one.



But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.

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RE: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

[Richard Turner]

Scott, et al,
I wrote i...@bemyeyes.com to ask about offering texting for volunteers 
especially for the Deaf-Blind community.
Here is Hans' response:
"We have been looking into how we can help the deaf blind community, but has 
not been able to create a really meaningful solution. However, I know that the 
BMI AI solution is something that you can use as a blind person."

I suggest everyone who wants to see texting volunteers for help also write 
i...@bemyeyes.com and request it.
Clearly all volunteers are using a smart phone, so I would think a texting 
solution could be found.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Scott 
Davert
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023

Well deserved, but I still wish BME would work on developing an interface so 
that one can text a volunteer instead of calling. There are some circumstances 
where a blind hearing person may find this of value, but they're not providing 
as much access to as many people as they could be. I understand be My AI works 
with braille, but what I also understand is that those who can hear are able to 
make audio calls to volunteers. Why can't DeafBlind people be given the same 
access?
All of that said, yes this tech is very revolutionary, I just wish people would 
start thinking in more broad terms sometimes. I've passed along the feedback a 
few times on the lack of texting, hopefully if enough people ask for it they 
will take it into consideration!

Scott

On 10/26/23, Corey Cook  wrote:
> This is excellent news.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 3:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023
>
>
>
> Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023
>
>
> Be My AI Mentioned Amongst TIME Best Inventions of 2023
>
>
> The new AI Describer for people who are blind or have low vision is 
> featured in the AI Category
>
> By Michele Paris, Marketing and Communications Manager
>
>
>
> Michele Paris
>
> Marketing and Communications Manager
>
>
>
> Be My AI, the  first-of-its-kind digital visual assistant powered by 
> GPT-4, was mentioned amongst the 
>  /> Time Best Invention of 2023 thanks to the collaboration between Be 
> My Eyes and OpenAI. The annual list features the most groundbreaking 
> inventions, including new products and ideas, that TIME editors have 
> identified as “life changing”.
>
> “Be My Eyes is proud to be mentioned among the brilliant innovations 
> included in TIME’s Best Inventions 2023 list with Be My AI. This new 
> tool is providing people who are blind or have low vision with a 
> better way to address everyday needs and acquire tools and visual 
> descriptions never before possible,” said Michael Buckley, CEO of Be 
> My Eyes. “We are grateful to TIME for this incredible recognition, as 
> we work to create a more accessible world for people of all abilities.”
>
> This acknowledgment comes after a week from Be My Eyes’ celebrations 
> for officially reaching 1,000,000 chats on Be My AI. As of today, over 
> 5,500 blind people are accessing Be My AI every day, asking over 
> 30,000+ questions daily to the AI-powered tool.
>
> “The new feature of having an AI assistant, specifically Be My AI, has 
> truly been a game-changer for me. It allows me to experience the world 
> in a whole new way by providing detailed descriptions of various 
> things,” says Malak, who has been beta testing Be My AI since March. 
> “Thanks to Be My AI, I now have the ability to enjoy visual 
> experiences and share moments in ways that were once unimaginable. Be 
> My Eyes' contribution has made a significant impact on our lives, and 
> we are incredibly thankful for their invaluable support.”
>
> Be My AI is currently available for all Be My Eyes users on iOS. We 
> have already started closed beta testing Be My AI for Android devices 
> and our goal is to move it to broadly-available open beta status in 
> the coming months. It is already possible to sign up on the waitlist 
> for Android beta testing in the Be My Eyes app.
>
> To keep updated about Be My AI, make sure to follow Be My Eyes on 
> 
> LinkedIn,
>  Ctwgr%5Eauthor> X,   Facebook, 
>  Instagram, 
>  Mastodon and 
>  TikTok.
>
> See the full 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Richard Turner]

Actually, for the most part, I don't have issues with Siri.  I think the fact 
that the time it takes to get Siri's attention has increased a little.
If you use the side button or home button to get Siri, you have to keep it held 
in/down for a bit longer than before.
If you are using Siri or Hey Siri under 17, I've started just saying Siri and 
waiting for Siri to respond before making my request.  That way I know it is 
listening.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: iPhone Photos

[Richard Turner]

You can create a VoiceOver label for any photo in your library. The label will 
not stay with the photo if you send it to someone else, it is just on your 
phone. 
Having said that, the steps are the same if you want to rename an app on your 
screen. 
To label anything, photo, icon, whatever,  with VO,  make sure the one you want 
is in focus by touching it once with one finger. Then do a two finger double 
tap and hold until you hear some tones and an edit box opens. You can either 
write what you want, or paste something you have copied into that edit box and 
then flick/swipe to the save button and do a one finger double tap. 
As someone else said, if you want to copy the entire Be My AI description into 
the photo, when you have heard the description, touch the screen with one 
finger and swipe up or down to copy and double tap. Then close the description, 
and do the steps above for labeling the photo and paste the description into 
the edit box. 
If you don't know how to paste something you copied. Ask.


Richard, USA 
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 9:17 PM, Tom Cramer  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have been using the new Be My AI service and it has been great at
> describing all of the photos in my photos app.
> Is there a way to either label or rename these photos now that I know
> what they are so that I can find them easier? I would think there
> would have to be an easy way of labeling them but ca't see how.
> Thanks.
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