RE: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Richard Turner]

Thanks for the correction.  I understand you are prioritizing your paying, 
sighted, customers, that makes perfect sense.

 

And how many people on this list are not VoiceOver users?  I suspect next to 
none.

 

Your description in the app store does say free to VoiceOver users and since 
this list is primarily VoiceOver users, I guess I didn’t see any reason to get 
lost in the details.

 

Still waiting for those steps to get books into your app.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 3:31 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

 

Oh, just to note that you did succeed to misquote even in that short post (this 
post comes with lot of smiles, so no hard feelings regarding that):

 

My app is not free, it is just free for VoiceOver users. It costs 10$ 
otherwise. 97% of users of my app on Apple devices aren't VoiceOver users and 
the same is for 89% of users on Android devices. So I just provide for free the 
app that other people regularly pay as I have decided to do so.

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 12:08:28 AM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:

Thank you Ivan. 

I'm looking forward to trying your app out with a Bookshare book once it is 
clear to me how to go about getting one into the app. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On Jan 31, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Richard,

 

I apologise for that word "misquoting". Maybe my impression from the old time 
that you are biased wasn't correct or maybe something has changed, but that is 
irrelevant now.

 

I am happy for myself to feel the trust in the words that you post. So from my 
side feel completely free to share your honest opinion and you can count on my 
full respect for it.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+1 Mary Otten wrote:

Ivan,

Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff from 
bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not at all 
like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin easy 
reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. 

For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I have 
imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where I read 
all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the website where 
you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t have that, they 
should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to implement it. However, it 
is disingenuous to suppose that your figures wouldn’t be a heck of a lot 
different if you actually had a straightforward means of importing things . 
Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to the process of getting a document 
from where it is to where you want to read it is a significant deterrent, 
especially when other much more efficient alternatives are available. That’s 
just how it is.

directly from books like Voice dream has. 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Richard,

 

I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.

 

Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 years. 
All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 books from 
Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book for those 10 
users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I would quickly 
remind you on your statements on how much support is expensive for one app that 
you love and how they need to charge immense amount for that).

 

I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if you 
make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, ePubs, 
web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did spend my 
effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people even if their 
volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. I would imagine 
that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something similar. What 
exactly did I do wrong?

 

Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is Bookshare 
as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement the share 
function in their Reader app which would make importing into any app a piece of 
cake. No need for 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I have a lot of bookshare books I have easily put into voice dream
reader.  I wouldn't want to use an app if the process weren't quick
and easy like voice dream.  I don't care if I do have to pay a
subscription in the future.  Voice dream reader is an app I use all
the time.

On 1/31/24, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Thank you Ivan.
> I'm looking forward to trying your app out with a Bookshare book once it is
> clear to me how to go about getting one into the app.
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get
> it.”
>
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I apologise for that word "misquoting". Maybe my impression from the old
>> time that you are biased wasn't correct or maybe something has changed,
>> but that is irrelevant now.
>>
>> I am happy for myself to feel the trust in the words that you post. So
>> from my side feel completely free to share your honest opinion and you can
>> count on my full respect for it.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+1 Mary Otten wrote:
>>>
>>> Ivan,
>>> Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff
>>> from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all?
>>> Not at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also
>>> dolphin easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at.
>>> For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I
>>> have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is
>>> where I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of
>>> the website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare
>>> doesn’t have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them
>>> to implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures
>>> wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a
>>> straightforward means of importing things . Anything that adds
>>> unnecessary complexity to the process of getting a document from where it
>>> is to where you want to read it is a significant deterrent, especially
>>> when other much more efficient alternatives are available. That’s just
>>> how it is.
>>> directly from books like Voice dream has.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:

 Richard,


 I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.

 Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7
 years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded
 10 books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten
 book for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare
 (and I would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support
 is expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge
 immense amount for that).

 I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including
 if you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use
 PDFs, ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare.
 I did spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those
 people even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the
 support. I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you"
 or something similar. What exactly did I do wrong?

 Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is
 Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't
 implement the share function in their Reader app which would make
 importing into any app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this
 world to write the support for Bookshare as every app would support
 Bookshare.
 On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner
 wrote:
>
> I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install
> books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it
> because the developer decided that customers could download the ten
> books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to
> program for their interface ...
> BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your
> download issue?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I
>> had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or
>> what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s
>> for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there
>> using iPhones who have use this app. 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Ivan Icin]

Oh, just to note that you did succeed to misquote even in that short post 
(this post comes with lot of smiles, so no hard feelings regarding that):

My app is not free, it is just free for VoiceOver users. It costs 10$ 
otherwise. 97% of users of my app on Apple devices aren't VoiceOver users 
and the same is for 89% of users on Android devices. So I just provide for 
free the app that other people regularly pay as I have decided to do so.

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 12:08:28 AM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:

> Thank you Ivan. 
> I'm looking forward to trying your app out with a Bookshare book once it 
> is clear to me how to go about getting one into the app. 
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
> get it.”
>
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>  
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I apologise for that word "misquoting". Maybe my impression from the old 
> time that you are biased wasn't correct or maybe something has changed, but 
> that is irrelevant now.
>
> I am happy for myself to feel the trust in the words that you post. So 
> from my side feel completely free to share your honest opinion and you can 
> count on my full respect for it.
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+1 Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Ivan,
>> Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff 
>> from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not 
>> at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin 
>> easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. 
>> For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I 
>> have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where 
>> I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the 
>> website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t 
>> have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to 
>> implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures 
>> wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a straightforward 
>> means of importing things . Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to 
>> the process of getting a document from where it is to where you want to 
>> read it is a significant deterrent, especially when other much more 
>> efficient alternatives are available. That’s just how it is.
>> directly from books like Voice dream has. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>> I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.
>>
>> Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 
>> years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 
>> books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book 
>> for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I 
>> would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is 
>> expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense 
>> amount for that).
>>
>> I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if 
>> you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, 
>> ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did 
>> spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people 
>> even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. 
>> I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something 
>> similar. What exactly did I do wrong?
>>
>> Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is 
>> Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement 
>> the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any 
>> app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support 
>> for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install 
>>> books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it 
>>> because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books 
>>> per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for 
>>> their interface ... 
>>> BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your 
>>> download issue? 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had 
>>> it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it 
>>> would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Richard Turner]

Thank you Ivan. I'm looking forward to trying your app out with a Bookshare book once it is clear to me how to go about getting one into the app. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 31, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,I apologise for that word "misquoting". Maybe my impression from the old time that you are biased wasn't correct or maybe something has changed, but that is irrelevant now.I am happy for myself to feel the trust in the words that you post. So from my side feel completely free to share your honest opinion and you can count on my full respect for it.On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+1 Mary Otten wrote:Ivan,Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a straightforward means of importing things . Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to the process of getting a document from where it is to where you want to read it is a significant deterrent, especially when other much more efficient alternatives are available. That’s just how it is.directly from books like Voice dream has. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense amount for that).I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something similar. What exactly did I do wrong?Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




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As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

I apologise for that word "misquoting". Maybe my impression from the old 
time that you are biased wasn't correct or maybe something has changed, but 
that is irrelevant now.

I am happy for myself to feel the trust in the words that you post. So from 
my side feel completely free to share your honest opinion and you can count 
on my full respect for it.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:45:13 PM UTC+1 Mary Otten wrote:

> Ivan,
> Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff 
> from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not 
> at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin 
> easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. 
> For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I 
> have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where 
> I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the 
> website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t 
> have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to 
> implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures 
> wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a straightforward 
> means of importing things . Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to 
> the process of getting a document from where it is to where you want to 
> read it is a significant deterrent, especially when other much more 
> efficient alternatives are available. That’s just how it is.
> directly from books like Voice dream has. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
>
> I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.
>
> Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 
> years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 
> books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book 
> for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I 
> would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is 
> expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense 
> amount for that).
>
> I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if 
> you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, 
> ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did 
> spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people 
> even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. 
> I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something 
> similar. What exactly did I do wrong?
>
> Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is 
> Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement 
> the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any 
> app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support 
> for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:
>
>> I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install 
>> books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it 
>> because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books 
>> per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for 
>> their interface ... 
>> BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download 
>> issue? 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had 
>> it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it 
>> would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I 
>> want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who 
>> have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I 
>> already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.
>> The next generation of Speech Central has been launched
>> AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products 
>> ...  /  Labsii
>>
>> Forum
>> iOS and iPadOS
>>
>> As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people 
>> may already know what the new version is about.
>>
>> But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has 
>> happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
>>
>> This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it 
>> is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing 
>> apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size 
>> doesn't even come close to this.
>>
>> The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to 
>> tell. If we talk about new features, that would 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

Ivan,Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a straightforward means of importing things . Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to the process of getting a document from where it is to where you want to read it is a significant deterrent, especially when other much more efficient alternatives are available. That’s just how it is.directly from books like Voice dream has. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense amount for that).I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something similar. What exactly did I do wrong?Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




Forum
iOS and iPadOS


As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and 

Re: Reading PDF files

[Ivan Icin]

Hi Richard,

I appreciate everything that you said here. I'll try to provide some 
instructions but I do think that this is complicated especially on the 
phone and I appreciate that you want to try it. And if you want to suggest 
Bookshare the share option in their app you deserve a big thank you from my 
side.

Just wanted to say that if people are interested and this is the only way 
to provide the content to them I will rebuild the Bookshare support. I 
built app from scratch for this new version and at the launch point this 
was a clear and reasonable decision as it would require quite a work and it 
doesn't appear that at least on the start many people would use it. But it 
doesn't mean that this can't be reevaluated.

I am grateful that you made me think some more regarding that. I do highly 
respect your opinion, as the times go by I have learnt that it is good to 
do that.
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:28:55 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:

> OK Ivan, could you give me your recommended steps for downloading the 
> DAISY file from Bookshare and importing it? Am I downloading to the Files 
> app, or exactly where? 
> I sometimes download more than 10 titles a month, but I'm willing to give 
> your approach a try. As well as ask Bookshare to use the share feature. 
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
> get it.”
>
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
>  
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>  
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:
>
> Hi to everyone,
>
>
> I am the developer and I can confirm Greg's answer to be correct.
>
> I also appreciate that Richard wanted to take another look in the app. 
> Some improvements were based on his comments, and while we may have not 
> agreed on some things and possibly our conversation regarding them went 
> further than it should those suggestions were really helpful and I am 
> thankful for them.
>
> The sad reality is that after 7 years of supporting Bookshare I had to 
> conclude that it is a less of a work for users to download those 10 books 
> (that is literal statistics for the December 2023) each month than for me 
> to rebuild the support for the new app.
>
> I sent suggestion to Bookshare that they should implement the share 
> function within their reader app. That would make every app to support 
> Bookshare, and considering that they allow downloads on the webiste there 
> is no reason on why not to do this. I am not sure if that is going to 
> happen as I got no answer on that, but if more people suggest that the 
> chances for that to happen may be bigger. And I think that it is fairly 
> simple for them and would be of great value for all Bookshare users.
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:34:58 PM UTC+1 Greg Wocher wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> The only way to get bookshare books in the app is to download the daisy 
>> file from the bookshare site and import that file into Speech Central. You 
>> download the file into the files app on your phone.
>>
>> Greg Wocher
>> . 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK, I want to explore Speech Central now that it has been updated.
>>  
>> I downloaded it.
>> How do you add content from Bookshare.org ?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
>> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
>> get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>  
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>  
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
>> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
>>  
>>  
>> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
>> Icin
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2024 1:42 AM
>> *To:* VIPhone 
>> *Subject:* Re: Reading PDF files
>>  
>>
>> It's always the best to try and decide yourself. One good option is 
>> mentioned above. It has been a gold standard for years. One thing that 
>> hasn't been mentioned is that it now costs 80$/year (comparing to 
>> 30$/lifetime that it has cost last year or 15$/lifetime that it has cost 
>> for the largest part of its history).
>> My app Speech Central is completely free when used with VoiceOver. It has 
>> been developed for 10 years and current official version should be more 
>> than competitive with any other app. However for 10 years celebration in 
>> several days there will be a new version that has over 1000 improvements, 
>> many of them bringing improvements not available in any other app. I still 
>> haven't announced the feature set so you will have to wait for the official 
>> announcement for few more days, but you can try that new feature set even 
>> now through the beta channel as described here: 
>> https://speechcentral.net/2023/11/17/beta-testing-of-the-next-gen-of-speech-central/
>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:57:48 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Duane Steele]

Thanks Richard for your swift reply to my inquiry. At least, now, I'll be better informed in the event that I'd like to try the APP. the only thing not included in the article about Speech Central is the cost of the paid version or subscription. I appreciate all this info.+Peace & Blessings,Pastor Duane L. SteelePhone (276) 730-5194On Jan 31, 2024, at 5:14 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I will try to give a neutral answer. If someone does not want to pay for Voice Dream Reader, then Speech Central or Dolphin EasyReader would be free options. So I don’t misquote anything about Speech Central, here is the description from the app store.You can compare it with other apps as you like.DescriptionFeature set that exceeds the competition, no subscription for the premium tier with the free tier that can be customised to be limited by the quantity or by the quality, that is the reason why you'll love Speech Central. Here are just some of our outstanding features:◦ The best text-to-speech experience - our proprietary engine significantly enhances the output of Apple's voices and AI voices by infusing their readings with emotion and variation.◦ The best PDF support in text to speech apps - your reading flow will not be interrupted by footers, headers, footnotes, in text citations and long web links as they are detected by the advanced artificial intelligence in most cases. No other app has all those features. Even the scanned PDF documents are imported with titles recognised.◦ The best web support in text to speech apps - for the first time you can listen everything as both articles and headlines (including RSS feeds) are supported. Articles can be added from the headlines page for fully uninterrupted flow or from Safari. And you can send articles from the desktop browser with the Pocket extension.◦ The widest support for documents/office and e-book formats.◦ Knowledge and text annotation tools built-in.◦ Import the text from the physical books with the camera.◦ The widest choice of options to customize the voice, appearance and various other parameters.◦ Sync playlist items across Apple devices including with the macOS app and the current position in the text.◦ Apple Watch app that can play the content independently of the main app.◦ Export the text with annotations to .docx format◦ Functions of audio buttons can be customized for high productivity and accessibility. The widest selection of tools to control the speed and browse the text that is read aloud.◦ The app can be used with dozens of languages that have text-to-speech support on the device with automatic language detection from the content.◦ Export the text to the audio file.◦ The best in class accessibility. It is completely free when used with VoiceOver and tested to be accessible by legally blind users.◦ Your data stays truly private, we collect only analytics data with no identifiable reference to the user or imported content even when the syncing is enabled.◦ Track the Mindfulness time in the Health appThe app is installed on over 250,000 devices and with consistent ratings above 4 stars Speech Central it is one of the leading global text-to-speech brands. It was nominated for the best iOS accessible app in 2020 and 2017 on AppleVis, the leading authority in the field of accessibility on Apple devices.By moving your reading activities to commuting, walking, running, doing the housework or another activity you can save an hour each day. You'll also save eyes for better things while having your battery and data plan last significantly longer. Keeping the screen off grants that you won't get into the internet addiction and waste your time on unwanted things, and thus it can also help people with ADHD.The app can be used as an assistive technology and helper for people with visual impairments (eyesight problems) and disabilities like dyslexia.Supported document types are: PDF (including scanned documents), Microsoft Word (.docx), Microsoft PowerPoint (.pptx), OpenOffice/LibreOffice (.odt, .odp), .html, .mhtml, .webarchive, .txt, .rtf. E-books in the .epub format are supported.Get the app now and enjoy the most convenient text to audio!Notes:- The free version has a daily limitation in the number of articles that you can add to it which is removed by purchasing the Pro add-on.- Some features are available only on the latest version of the operating system.- The license is valid only for the iOS/watchOS. Other operating systems have separate licenses.- DRM protected books (e.g. Kindle books) are locked to their respective vendor apps and cannot be imported into the app.moreWhat’s NewVersion HistoryJan 31, 2024 Version 14.2.3The full text edit option is back, paragraph editing is still preferred and more safe option The only thing I will add that I’m sure will make the Speech Central developer angry is that check which apps have won the best apps on Applevis.com Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Malcolm Parfitt]

A perfectly reasonable post there Richard, many here, myself included have benefitted from your honest and objective opinions over the years.Malcolm ParfittOn 31 Jan 2024, at 22:14, Richard Turner  wrote:I will try to give a neutral answer. If someone does not want to pay for Voice Dream Reader, then Speech Central or Dolphin EasyReader would be free options. So I don’t misquote anything about Speech Central, here is the description from the app store.You can compare it with other apps as you like.DescriptionFeature set that exceeds the competition, no subscription for the premium tier with the free tier that can be customised to be limited by the quantity or by the quality, that is the reason why you'll love Speech Central. Here are just some of our outstanding features:◦ The best text-to-speech experience - our proprietary engine significantly enhances the output of Apple's voices and AI voices by infusing their readings with emotion and variation.◦ The best PDF support in text to speech apps - your reading flow will not be interrupted by footers, headers, footnotes, in text citations and long web links as they are detected by the advanced artificial intelligence in most cases. No other app has all those features. Even the scanned PDF documents are imported with titles recognised.◦ The best web support in text to speech apps - for the first time you can listen everything as both articles and headlines (including RSS feeds) are supported. Articles can be added from the headlines page for fully uninterrupted flow or from Safari. And you can send articles from the desktop browser with the Pocket extension.◦ The widest support for documents/office and e-book formats.◦ Knowledge and text annotation tools built-in.◦ Import the text from the physical books with the camera.◦ The widest choice of options to customize the voice, appearance and various other parameters.◦ Sync playlist items across Apple devices including with the macOS app and the current position in the text.◦ Apple Watch app that can play the content independently of the main app.◦ Export the text with annotations to .docx format◦ Functions of audio buttons can be customized for high productivity and accessibility. The widest selection of tools to control the speed and browse the text that is read aloud.◦ The app can be used with dozens of languages that have text-to-speech support on the device with automatic language detection from the content.◦ Export the text to the audio file.◦ The best in class accessibility. It is completely free when used with VoiceOver and tested to be accessible by legally blind users.◦ Your data stays truly private, we collect only analytics data with no identifiable reference to the user or imported content even when the syncing is enabled.◦ Track the Mindfulness time in the Health appThe app is installed on over 250,000 devices and with consistent ratings above 4 stars Speech Central it is one of the leading global text-to-speech brands. It was nominated for the best iOS accessible app in 2020 and 2017 on AppleVis, the leading authority in the field of accessibility on Apple devices.By moving your reading activities to commuting, walking, running, doing the housework or another activity you can save an hour each day. You'll also save eyes for better things while having your battery and data plan last significantly longer. Keeping the screen off grants that you won't get into the internet addiction and waste your time on unwanted things, and thus it can also help people with ADHD.The app can be used as an assistive technology and helper for people with visual impairments (eyesight problems) and disabilities like dyslexia.Supported document types are: PDF (including scanned documents), Microsoft Word (.docx), Microsoft PowerPoint (.pptx), OpenOffice/LibreOffice (.odt, .odp), .html, .mhtml, .webarchive, .txt, .rtf. E-books in the .epub format are supported.Get the app now and enjoy the most convenient text to audio!Notes:- The free version has a daily limitation in the number of articles that you can add to it which is removed by purchasing the Pro add-on.- Some features are available only on the latest version of the operating system.- The license is valid only for the iOS/watchOS. Other operating systems have separate licenses.- DRM protected books (e.g. Kindle books) are locked to their respective vendor apps and cannot be imported into the app.moreWhat’s NewVersion HistoryJan 31, 2024 Version 14.2.3The full text edit option is back, paragraph editing is still preferred and more safe option The only thing I will add that I’m sure will make the Speech Central developer angry is that check which apps have won the best apps on Applevis.com Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 

RE: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Richard Turner]

I will try to give a neutral answer.

 

If someone does not want to pay for Voice Dream Reader, then Speech Central or 
Dolphin EasyReader would be free options.

 

So I don’t misquote anything about Speech Central, here is the description from 
the app store.

You can compare it with other apps as you like.

Description

Feature set that exceeds the competition, no subscription for the premium tier 
with the free tier that can be customised to be limited by the quantity or by 
the quality, that is the reason why you'll love Speech Central. Here are just 
some of our outstanding features:


◦ The best text-to-speech experience - our proprietary engine significantly 
enhances the output of Apple's voices and AI voices by infusing their readings 
with emotion and variation.


◦ The best PDF support in text to speech apps - your reading flow will not be 
interrupted by footers, headers, footnotes, in text citations and long web 
links as they are detected by the advanced artificial intelligence in most 
cases. No other app has all those features. Even the scanned PDF documents are 
imported with titles recognised.


◦ The best web support in text to speech apps - for the first time you can 
listen everything as both articles and headlines (including RSS feeds) are 
supported. Articles can be added from the headlines page for fully 
uninterrupted flow or from Safari. And you can send articles from the desktop 
browser with the Pocket extension.


◦ The widest support for documents/office and e-book formats.


◦ Knowledge and text annotation tools built-in.


◦ Import the text from the physical books with the camera.


◦ The widest choice of options to customize the voice, appearance and various 
other parameters.


◦ Sync playlist items across Apple devices including with the macOS app and the 
current position in the text.


◦ Apple Watch app that can play the content independently of the main app.


◦ Export the text with annotations to .docx format


◦ Functions of audio buttons can be customized for high productivity and 
accessibility. The widest selection of tools to control the speed and browse 
the text that is read aloud.


◦ The app can be used with dozens of languages that have text-to-speech support 
on the device with automatic language detection from the content.


◦ Export the text to the audio file.


◦ The best in class accessibility. It is completely free when used with 
VoiceOver and tested to be accessible by legally blind users.


◦ Your data stays truly private, we collect only analytics data with no 
identifiable reference to the user or imported content even when the syncing is 
enabled.


◦ Track the Mindfulness time in the Health app


The app is installed on over 250,000 devices and with consistent ratings above 
4 stars Speech Central it is one of the leading global text-to-speech brands. 
It was nominated for the best iOS accessible app in 2020 and 2017 on AppleVis, 
the leading authority in the field of accessibility on Apple devices.


By moving your reading activities to commuting, walking, running, doing the 
housework or another activity you can save an hour each day. You'll also save 
eyes for better things while having your battery and data plan last 
significantly longer. Keeping the screen off grants that you won't get into the 
internet addiction and waste your time on unwanted things, and thus it can also 
help people with ADHD.


The app can be used as an assistive technology and helper for people with 
visual impairments (eyesight problems) and disabilities like dyslexia.


Supported document types are: PDF (including scanned documents), Microsoft Word 
(.docx), Microsoft PowerPoint (.pptx), OpenOffice/LibreOffice (.odt, .odp), 
.html, .mhtml, .webarchive, .txt, .rtf. E-books in the .epub format are 
supported.


Get the app now and enjoy the most convenient text to audio!


Notes:

- The free version has a daily limitation in the number of articles that you 
can add to it which is removed by purchasing the Pro add-on.

- Some features are available only on the latest version of the operating 
system.

- The license is valid only for the iOS/watchOS. Other operating systems have 
separate licenses.

- DRM protected books (e.g. Kindle books) are locked to their respective vendor 
apps and cannot be imported into the app.

more

What’s New

Version History

Jan 31, 2024 

Version 14.2.3

The full text edit option is back, paragraph editing is still preferred and 
more safe option

 

The only thing I will add that I’m sure will make the Speech Central developer 
angry is that check which apps have won the best apps on Applevis.com

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Duane Steele]

Hello Listers,After reading the latest AppleVis entry about speech central, I'm puzzled. Having been a Voice Dream user since its initial launch, and following its changes and updates to the present, I'm really not convinced about Speech Central. It's so easy to load Voice Dream content, and PDF documents read well. My question is: What would make me even want to try any other program? I don't ask this question to invoke controversy, but to learn why some would prefer any other program over Voice Dream. If, at some point, another program is more efficient than Voice Dream, I'll certainly jump on that proverbial "band wagon". For now, I'm just wondering... and exploring. Thanks.+Peace & Blessings,Pastor Duane L. SteelePhone (276) 730-5194On Jan 31, 2024, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I have downloaded the update, but I have not yet downloaded any more books. I downloaded several recently, and after a lot of missing around and reporting to the developers, they all loaded. I still don’t know why, but now I have all these books and a couple of them I need to get read by the weekend for stuff. But I’m definitely going to try it. If it works, awesome. I am not at all excited about having to go through a big process to get books share books into an app. Thumbs down. Unless Voice Dream just turns into an absolute piece of junk, I’ll deal with it rather than have to deal with a convoluted process for just accessing books. In my opinion, that was not a good decision the developer of this app speech Central made. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




Forum
iOS and iPadOS


As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen
As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it yourself: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155







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RE: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Richard Turner]

Ivan,

I simplified what you said but did not misquote you.

Since Mary to whom I address my comments is on this same list, she will likely 
have read your full explanation of your situation with bookshare and how you 
had supported it, etc.

 

It seems like I cannot say anything about your app other than undaunted praise 
without your taking offense.

 

Since you also cannot be bothered to explain your process of getting bookshare 
booksinto your app, then I guess I don’t need to give it an honest try.

I was willing to do that.

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:36 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

 

Richard,

 

I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.

 

Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 years. 
All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 books from 
Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book for those 10 
users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I would quickly 
remind you on your statements on how much support is expensive for one app that 
you love and how they need to charge immense amount for that).

 

I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if you 
make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, ePubs, 
web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did spend my 
effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people even if their 
volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. I would imagine 
that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something similar. What 
exactly did I do wrong?

 

Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is Bookshare 
as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement the share 
function in their Reader app which would make importing into any app a piece of 
cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support for Bookshare as 
every app would support Bookshare.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:

I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books 
from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the 
developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that 
way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... 

BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download 
issue? 

 

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten mailto:mott...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on 
android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good 
for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if 
there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m 
not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I 
want real world users commenting. Thanks.

The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  
Labsii

 

Forum

iOS and iPadOS

As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may 
already know what the new version is about.

But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has 
happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.

This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is 
hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and 
their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come 
close to this.

The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. 
If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even 
major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.

So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind 
the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a 
bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava 
Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: 
https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc

Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and 
NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY

Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the 
App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Ivan Icin]

Richard,

I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.

Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 
years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 
books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book 
for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I 
would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is 
expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense 
amount for that).

I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if 
you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, 
ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did 
spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people 
even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. 
I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something 
similar. What exactly did I do wrong?

Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is 
Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement 
the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any 
app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support 
for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:

> I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install 
> books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it 
> because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books 
> per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for 
> their interface ... 
> BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download 
> issue? 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it 
> on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would 
> be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want 
> to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use 
> this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw 
> his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.
> The next generation of Speech Central has been launched
> AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products 
> ...  /  Labsii
>
> Forum
> iOS and iPadOS
>
> As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people 
> may already know what the new version is about.
>
> But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has 
> happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
>
> This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it 
> is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing 
> apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size 
> doesn't even come close to this.
>
> The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to 
> tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of 
> lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
>
> So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic 
> behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature 
> brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark 
> using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and 
> Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
>
> Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and 
> NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
>
> Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in 
> the App Store:
> - Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds 
> sidebar functionality to the iPad
> - Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
> - Instant mode for quick and simple reading
> - Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
> - Improved accessibility
> - Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
> - Numerous new settings options
> - Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen
>
> As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it 
> yourself: 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155
>
>
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> https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/next-generation-speech-central-has-been-launched
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Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

I have downloaded the update, but I have not yet downloaded any more books. I downloaded several recently, and after a lot of missing around and reporting to the developers, they all loaded. I still don’t know why, but now I have all these books and a couple of them I need to get read by the weekend for stuff. But I’m definitely going to try it. If it works, awesome. I am not at all excited about having to go through a big process to get books share books into an app. Thumbs down. Unless Voice Dream just turns into an absolute piece of junk, I’ll deal with it rather than have to deal with a convoluted process for just accessing books. In my opinion, that was not a good decision the developer of this app speech Central made. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




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As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen
As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it yourself: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155







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Re: Reading PDF files

[Richard Turner]

OK Ivan, could you give me your recommended steps for downloading the DAISY file from Bookshare and importing it? Am I downloading to the Files app, or exactly where? I sometimes download more than 10 titles a month, but I'm willing to give your approach a try. As well as ask Bookshare to use the share feature. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Hi to everyone,I am the developer and I can confirm Greg's answer to be correct.I also appreciate that Richard wanted to take another look in the app. Some improvements were based on his comments, and while we may have not agreed on some things and possibly our conversation regarding them went further than it should those suggestions were really helpful and I am thankful for them.The sad reality is that after 7 years of supporting Bookshare I had to conclude that it is a less of a work for users to download those 10 books (that is literal statistics for the December 2023) each month than for me to rebuild the support for the new app.I sent suggestion to Bookshare that they should implement the share function within their reader app. That would make every app to support Bookshare, and considering that they allow downloads on the webiste there is no reason on why not to do this. I am not sure if that is going to happen as I got no answer on that, but if more people suggest that the chances for that to happen may be bigger. And I think that it is fairly simple for them and would be of great value for all Bookshare users.On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:34:58 PM UTC+1 Greg Wocher wrote:Hello,The only way to get bookshare books in the app is to download the daisy file from the bookshare site and import that file into Speech Central. You download the file into the files app on your phone.Greg Wocher. On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:OK, I want to explore Speech Central now that it has been updated. I downloaded it.How do you add content from Bookshare.org? Thanks, Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: vip...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ivan IcinSent: Friday, January 19, 2024 1:42 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Reading PDF files It's always the best to try and decide yourself. One good option is mentioned above. It has been a gold standard for years. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that it now costs 80$/year (comparing to 30$/lifetime that it has cost last year or 15$/lifetime that it has cost for the largest part of its history).My app Speech Central is completely free when used with VoiceOver. It has been developed for 10 years and current official version should be more than competitive with any other app. However for 10 years celebration in several days there will be a new version that has over 1000 improvements, many of them bringing improvements not available in any other app. I still haven't announced the feature set so you will have to wait for the official announcement for few more days, but you can try that new feature set even now through the beta channel as described here: https://speechcentral.net/2023/11/17/beta-testing-of-the-next-gen-of-speech-central/On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:57:48 PM UTC+1 Jody ianuzzi wrote:Good morning everyone, What app do you recommend is the best for reading PDF files? Thank you,JODY To Boldly Go     thunderw...@gmail.com  "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/vip...@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/14a61799-40d8-4d41-8200-c00a4fbf6c63n%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns 

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Richard Turner]

I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




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As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen
As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it yourself: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155







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Re: Reading PDF files

[Ivan Icin]

Hi to everyone,

I am the developer and I can confirm Greg's answer to be correct.

I also appreciate that Richard wanted to take another look in the app. Some 
improvements were based on his comments, and while we may have not agreed 
on some things and possibly our conversation regarding them went further 
than it should those suggestions were really helpful and I am thankful for 
them.

The sad reality is that after 7 years of supporting Bookshare I had to 
conclude that it is a less of a work for users to download those 10 books 
(that is literal statistics for the December 2023) each month than for me 
to rebuild the support for the new app.

I sent suggestion to Bookshare that they should implement the share 
function within their reader app. That would make every app to support 
Bookshare, and considering that they allow downloads on the webiste there 
is no reason on why not to do this. I am not sure if that is going to 
happen as I got no answer on that, but if more people suggest that the 
chances for that to happen may be bigger. And I think that it is fairly 
simple for them and would be of great value for all Bookshare users.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:34:58 PM UTC+1 Greg Wocher wrote:

> Hello,
> The only way to get bookshare books in the app is to download the daisy 
> file from the bookshare site and import that file into Speech Central. You 
> download the file into the files app on your phone.
>
> Greg Wocher
> . 
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> OK, I want to explore Speech Central now that it has been updated.
>  
> I downloaded it.
> How do you add content from Bookshare.org ?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
> get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
>  
>  
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of *Ivan 
> Icin
> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2024 1:42 AM
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Reading PDF files
>  
>
> It's always the best to try and decide yourself. One good option is 
> mentioned above. It has been a gold standard for years. One thing that 
> hasn't been mentioned is that it now costs 80$/year (comparing to 
> 30$/lifetime that it has cost last year or 15$/lifetime that it has cost 
> for the largest part of its history).
> My app Speech Central is completely free when used with VoiceOver. It has 
> been developed for 10 years and current official version should be more 
> than competitive with any other app. However for 10 years celebration in 
> several days there will be a new version that has over 1000 improvements, 
> many of them bringing improvements not available in any other app. I still 
> haven't announced the feature set so you will have to wait for the official 
> announcement for few more days, but you can try that new feature set even 
> now through the beta channel as described here: 
> https://speechcentral.net/2023/11/17/beta-testing-of-the-next-gen-of-speech-central/
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:57:48 PM UTC+1 Jody ianuzzi wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone,
>  
> What app do you recommend is the best for reading PDF files?
>  
> Thank you,
> JODY
>  
> To Boldly Go   
>  
>  
> thunderw...@gmail.com 
>  
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS 
>  Erik Weihenmayer
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The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on 
android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good 
for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if 
there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m 
not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I 
want real world users commenting. Thanks.
The next generation of Speech Central has been launched
AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  
Labsii

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iOS and iPadOS
As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may 
already know what the new version is about.

But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has 
happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.

This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is 
hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and 
their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come 
close to this.

The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. 
If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even 
major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.

So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind 
the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a 
bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava 
Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: 
https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc

Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and 
NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY

Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the 
App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds 
sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen

As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it 
yourself: 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155



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Re: Reading PDF files

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The only way to get bookshare books in the app is to download the daisy file 
from the bookshare site and import that file into Speech Central. You download 
the file into the files app on your phone.

Greg Wocher
. 



> On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, I want to explore Speech Central now that it has been updated.
>  
> I downloaded it.
> How do you add content from Bookshare.org ?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 1:42 AM
> To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Reading PDF files
>  
> It's always the best to try and decide yourself. One good option is mentioned 
> above. It has been a gold standard for years. One thing that hasn't been 
> mentioned is that it now costs 80$/year (comparing to 30$/lifetime that it 
> has cost last year or 15$/lifetime that it has cost for the largest part of 
> its history).
> 
> My app Speech Central is completely free when used with VoiceOver. It has 
> been developed for 10 years and current official version should be more than 
> competitive with any other app. However for 10 years celebration in several 
> days there will be a new version that has over 1000 improvements, many of 
> them bringing improvements not available in any other app. I still haven't 
> announced the feature set so you will have to wait for the official 
> announcement for few more days, but you can try that new feature set even now 
> through the beta channel as described here: 
> https://speechcentral.net/2023/11/17/beta-testing-of-the-next-gen-of-speech-central/
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:57:48 PM UTC+1 Jody ianuzzi wrote:
>> Good morning everyone,
>>  
>> What app do you recommend is the best for reading PDF files?
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> JODY
>>  
>> To Boldly Go   
>>  
>>  
>> thunderw...@gmail.com  
>>  
>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
>> Weihenmayer
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Re: Uber Eats issue

[David Grossoehme]

I'd contact their customer service and have them verify for you, what 
has been paid.  If overcharged, then they can either credit you if you 
use their service to get your money back in a timely matter.  If you 
don't use their service that often, than I'd demand a credit back to 
your card that was charged.


Dave


On 1/29/2024 10:29 PM, billoutman...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello, list.

I had a mishap occur earlier this evening I have never experienced, 
and wonder what additional steps I need to take.


I put in a McDonald’s order but the driver never showed, and despite 
repeated attempts I could not connect with her.  So I rated her thumbs 
down and selected a couple options for problems, but they didn’t 
really fit.


I put in a second order, the same one I had intended, a bit later, and 
it came.  I discussed with the fellow what had happened, and he didn’t 
have any further advice other than what I had done and to contact Uber.


I am concerned about having a double charge when I only got the one 
order.  I need to know the correct procedure to follow at this point.


I have in the last wee already had to eat, quite literally, a pizza 
order situation wherein I ended up with a double order because a call 
center messed up and two orders got run when I was left on hold for 
taking my check card number, and a second agent reran the order since 
we didn’t know the first one had been sent.  At least then I had an 
overabundance that I could enjoy over a couple days.


Bill Outman

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RE: Voicedream scanner and small formats

[Richard Turner]

I have not had much success getting accurate info off bank cards with any 
scanning software.  I think the fonts are just not clear enough to be trusted.

Perhaps others have a different experience.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 11:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voicedream scanner and small formats

 

Hello list,

please, do you know any tips and tricks to scan smal format documents like 
debit card with voice Dream scanner?

As far as I know, Voice Dream doesn't need internet connection to scan 
documents.

I mean when I get a new debit card, I would like to be able read Card number 
without sighted help if possible.

My bank doesn't provide debit card number info in Braille. I know some banks in 
some countries 

do that.

I have a few other cards (e.g. bus pass and I sometime need its number for 
online registration.

I know I can ask someone sighted to read it for me, but there are situations 
when no one is around.

For now, I have card and ID numbers saved in my notes and I learnt them, but 
I'm just curious.

I will not use Be my eyes or Seeing AI as they are online services, so I don't 
feel safe to give them my credentials.

I tried to scan my bus pass card, I could rea some info, but not the number, it 
said "card number", but there were different signs and symbols.

Thanks for help.

Maria



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Speech Central

[Richard Turner]

 

 

Does anyone know how to access Bookshare.org with the Speech Central app?

According to Bookshare's web site, it is supposed to show up under Add.  But
in the current version, Jan 31, 2024 Version 14.2.3, it does not.

 

 

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Voicedream scanner and small formats

[Mária Orovčíková]

    Hello list,

please, do you know any tips and tricks to scan smal format documents 
like debit card with voice Dream scanner?


As far as I know, Voice Dream doesn't need internet connection to scan 
documents.


I mean when I get a new debit card, I would like to be able read Card 
number without sighted help if possible.


My bank doesn't provide debit card number info in Braille. I know some 
banks in some countries


do that.

I have a few other cards (e.g. bus pass and I sometime need its number 
for online registration.


I know I can ask someone sighted to read it for me, but there are 
situations when no one is around.


For now, I have card and ID numbers saved in my notes and I learnt them, 
but I'm just curious.


I will not use Be my eyes or Seeing AI as they are online services, so I 
don't feel safe to give them my credentials.


I tried to scan my bus pass card, I could rea some info, but not the 
number, it said "card number", but there were different signs and symbols.


Thanks for help.

Maria

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RE: Reading PDF files

[Richard Turner]

OK, I want to explore Speech Central now that it has been updated.

 

I downloaded it.

How do you add content from Bookshare.org?

 

Thanks,

 

Richard, USA

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-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Reading PDF files

 

It's always the best to try and decide yourself. One good option is mentioned 
above. It has been a gold standard for years. One thing that hasn't been 
mentioned is that it now costs 80$/year (comparing to 30$/lifetime that it has 
cost last year or 15$/lifetime that it has cost for the largest part of its 
history).

My app Speech Central is completely free when used with VoiceOver. It has been 
developed for 10 years and current official version should be more than 
competitive with any other app. However for 10 years celebration in several 
days there will be a new version that has over 1000 improvements, many of them 
bringing improvements not available in any other app. I still haven't announced 
the feature set so you will have to wait for the official announcement for few 
more days, but you can try that new feature set even now through the beta 
channel as described here: 
https://speechcentral.net/2023/11/17/beta-testing-of-the-next-gen-of-speech-central/

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:57:48 PM UTC+1 Jody ianuzzi wrote:

Good morning everyone,

 

What app do you recommend is the best for reading PDF files?

 

Thank you,

JODY

 

To Boldly Go   

 

 

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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

[Christopher Chaltain]

I was killing time in a bookstore when my wife was shopping, and I started 
pointing Be My Eyes at bookshelves and pulling random books off of the shelves, 
and it was amazing!

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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program isn't 
designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well 
considering. I've been trying to find a way to get the text results from the 
Iphone into something I could transfer to e-mail or some other way to get it 
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RE: Menus4ALL - The App is Back. Thank you

[Corey Cook]

This is great news.

 

 

Corey Cook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve 
Cook
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: Menus4ALL - The App is Back. Thank you

 

 

 

Steve Cook

You are invited to join us on the 1st and 2nd Friday of each month at 8:00 PM 
Eastern for audio described movies using the below Zoom platform! 

  
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Meeting ID: 803 254 3777

Passcode: 124578

 

From: Helen Fernety  
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 6:38 PM
To: Brandon Foshee ; Paul Herman ; 
Stephanie Jones ; kirkadams...@gmail.com; Everette 
Bacon ; Troy Otillio ; Anne Marie 

Subject: Menus4ALL - The App is Back. Thank you

 

Hello loyal Menus4ALL Customer,

We are thrilled to announce that Menus4ALL has secured new contracts with our 
vendors, which means the app is back in the Apple App Store without having to 
increase our prices. Your Apple Account will remain unaffected.

We are deeply grateful for the overwhelming support and well wishes we have 
received from you in the past week. Your kind words and prayers have shown us 
that success comes to those who work hard and put in their best effort. It 
reminds me of something my mother always said: where there is a will, there is 
a way. And when you need help, God puts the right people in your path. Thank 
you for being there for us.

We are aware that many of you have expressed a desire to lend a hand. One of 
the best and easiest ways to assist Menus4ALL is to spread the word about our 
app. If you enjoy using it, please share it with others. If you would like to 
join our board and help us plan marketing strategies, find partnerships, and 
work smarter, please reach out to us. We appreciate your support and together, 
we can make sure that everyone who can benefit from the independence and joy 
this app provides does not miss out.

 

Thank you for supporting Menus4ALL, 


Helen Fernety and Stephanie Jones

 

 

 



 

  

 

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RE: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

[Richard Turner]

There is an update today that they think may fix this.

They have two engineers working on it.

Here is what the update says:

Fix bug when loading content. Custom margins for PDFs, support for more audio 
files and fix go to percentage 

 

The Fixed bug while loading content is the relevant one to this issue.

I hope it solves it for those dealing with this.

Of course, signing out and back in may also help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

 

Have you logged out, then back in? I wonder if this would fix it, at least for 
a while. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Jan 30, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Kerry Macdonald mailto:kerryma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Richard, I tried all of your good suggestions and so far nothing has worked. 
Mary, I agree with you completely all of the problems that you describe are 
exactly what is happening to me. I asked it to download a book a lot of times 
it will just say waiting, waiting waiting and then sometimes I can go back in 
and open up the app and the title will appear but when I open it, there is 
nothing there in the book will not read. I am so frustrated with the way. This 
app is going and I too. I’m glad that I bought it before it turned into the 
subscription model. It was way better when Winston ran it. I have reached out 
to the new people and they don’t even get back to me.  I am not sure what to 
try next.

 

 

 

Kerry

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 27, 2024, at 11:08 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I don’t download large audio files. I do have a few MP threes, but nothing 
like that has been downloaded by me in a very long time. So, these are books 
from bookshare. So I expect that when it says download complete, it’s there. So 
they need to fix it. I thought they had it fixed after an update a few months 
ago. But it didn’t last.
Sent from my iPhone




On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I have a very large voice dream library as well.  I don't usually have

any problems when stuff says download complete.  However, if these

files are large ones, like my audio dramas, even though I know the

file is completely downloaded, I have to wait a couple minutes or so,

for the file to kind of process and become available.  If I don't,

I'll hear unavailable and the name of my zipped file.  I'm talking

about audio dramas, that are 3 or more gigs in size.  Voice dream

reader is great.  I use it all the time.  Bookshare downloads work

very well, and having a great selection of text to speech voices is

very nice

 

On 1/26/24, 'john riehl' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Yes; I don’t understand why you should have trouble even if you have a large

library.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary

Otten

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:57 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

 

 

 

It may well be because I have a big Voice Dream library. But if it says

download complete, which it always does, I feel like I should be able to go

into my library and see it’s there. Not unavailable. Why is it unavailable?

And why God‘s name, since I have iCloud Sync enabled on both of my devices,

why doesn’t that work? I don’t even open it on my phone anymore because

there’s so many books that I’ve downloaded to my iPad that I know absolutely

if I open my phone there’s going to be a massive problem. So I suppose I

should just not have my phone answering with iCloud anymore. But then what

do I do when I finally get a new phone  Probably next year? I just wish

these people would get into the guts of this thing and fix it.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 

 

 

On Jan 26, 2024, at 7:53 PM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone

mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com%20%3cmailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
 > wrote:

 



 

Wow!! That sucks!!

 

 

 

I haven’t had that problem.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   


mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com%20%3cmailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
 > On Behalf Of

Mary Otten

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: updaate apple iD settings

[Richard Turner]

Yes, calling Apple would likely solve it more quickly.

It could be they are wanting you to enable Apple Pay or Wallet or something and 
you are missing the option to either do so, or select not now…

I personally don’t use either so I skipped it and it eventually stopped asking.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com/

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: updaate apple iD settings

 

Michael, 

 

This is the sort of issue where calling Apple Accessibility and getting them to 
screen share can make a big difference. Good luck. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 31, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Michael Amaro mailto:mikeameli1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello Listers,

 

I  have an iPhone sE 2022, running latest iOS.  In settings,  I  have  a button 
that says update apple iD settings.  When I press it, I hit continue after 
pressing the update apple iD settings button.  The phone just sits there.  It 
takes me back to continue fore some reason.  Help Please?

 

Michael

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Re: updaate apple iD settings

[Alan Lemly]

Michael, This is the sort of issue where calling Apple Accessibility and getting them to screen share can make a big difference. Good luck. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Michael Amaro  wrote:





Hello Listers,
 
I  have an iPhone sE 2022, running latest 
iOS.  In settings,  I  have  a button that says update apple 
iD settings.  When I press it, I hit continue after pressing the update 
apple iD settings button.  The phone just sits there.  It takes me 
back to continue fore some reason.  Help Please?
 
Michael



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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

[llumpkin]

I'littl try notes. Thsnks.
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Subject: RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

You could paste it into notes, or any other word processing type app you have.
I don't know what the word limit is, but perhaps a text message?




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Hi Richard. I don't have e-mail active on my phone. Where can I paste it to? 
Thanks.


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Hi Larry,
When you are on the results screen, just touch anywhere in the text and swipe 
up or down with one finger.  You should hear Copy.
Double tap and then paste it where you wish.

I hadn't tried recipes.  I will try that later.




Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program isn't 
designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well 
considering. I've been trying to find a way to get the text results from the 
Iphone into something I could transfer to e-mail or some other way to get it 
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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

[Richard Turner]

You could paste it into notes, or any other word processing type app you have.
I don't know what the word limit is, but perhaps a text message?




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

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JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


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Hi Richard. I don't have e-mail active on my phone. Where can I paste it to? 
Thanks.


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Turner
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Subject: RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

Hi Larry,
When you are on the results screen, just touch anywhere in the text and swipe 
up or down with one finger.  You should hear Copy.
Double tap and then paste it where you wish.

I hadn't tried recipes.  I will try that later.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


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Subject: Be My AI and cookbooks

My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program isn't 
designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well 
considering. I've been trying to find a way to get the text results from the 
Iphone into something I could transfer to e-mail or some other way to get it 
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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

[llumpkin]

Hi Richard. I don't have e-mail active on my phone. Where can I paste it to? 
Thanks.


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Hi Larry,
When you are on the results screen, just touch anywhere in the text and swipe 
up or down with one finger.  You should hear Copy.
Double tap and then paste it where you wish.

I hadn't tried recipes.  I will try that later.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program isn't 
designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well 
considering. I've been trying to find a way to get the text results from the 
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RE: Be My AI and cookbooks

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Hi Larry,
When you are on the results screen, just touch anywhere in the text and swipe 
up or down with one finger.  You should hear Copy.
Double tap and then paste it where you wish.

I hadn't tried recipes.  I will try that later.




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-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page or 
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Be My AI and cookbooks

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My wife has shelves and shelves of cookbooks so I thought I'd shoot a page
or to with Be My AI and have been getting some amazing results. The program
isn't designed to be a text or document reader but it does amazingly well
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updaate apple iD settings

[Michael Amaro]

Hello Listers,

I  have an iPhone sE 2022, running latest iOS.  In settings,  I  have  a button 
that says update apple iD settings.  When I press it, I hit continue after 
pressing the update apple iD settings button.  The phone just sits there.  It 
takes me back to continue fore some reason.  Help Please?

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