Re: PASTING A NOTE INTO A TEXT MESSAGE

2024-03-24 Thread Barbara Stahl
Hi! 
You can share the note via text message.  Just go to notes, select the note you 
want to text, then double tap share and choose how you want to share it.  In 
this case it would be via text.  Then choose who to send it to double tap send 
and the note should go to the other person via text.  You could also just open 
the note double tap the edit field then use the roder to select and copy the 
text in the note then go to messages and use the roder to paste the text in to 
the text message field.  

> On Mar 24, 2024, at 4:01 PM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  
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> Hi:
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> For some reason, I’m not able to paste a note into a text message I’m sending 
> to someone, seems that I’ve done it before.
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Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread Richard Turner
I just did a little experiment. I shared a voice mail to Voice Dream Reader. I 
went back to the voice mail, had VO say the number, date, and length of the 
voice mail and did the quadruple 3 finger tap to copy that to the clipboard 
then went back to Voice Dream and selected rename file and replaced the name 
with the phone number etc, then added the name of the caller and double tapped 
on OK. So now I have the entire voice mail, the date and and who it was. 

Very slick. 

 

 

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

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On Mar 24, 2024, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:

 

Hi Richard, 

 

I think I like the idea of just sending the whole message to the notes or Voice 
Memos now.  

Some  times we need to save an important Voice Mail Message, so in my case, I 
do need to keep the entire original Voice Mail Message.  

I just don’t want to take the chance of losing certain messages.  

I updated to the newest update in Feb of 2023, and low in behold, I lost 
important messages from within the recent calls app.  

In which I needed those recent calls for verification purposes, but they were 
lost.  

 

Janet 

 

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Turner
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

 

Janet, only way I can think of to∂ that, is to have VO read the transcript, and 
assuming it reads it all in one go, do the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy the 
text to the clipboard and open a new note, and paste the text into that note... 
 Or you could paste x~to an email of course. 

HTH, 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 











On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:30 PM, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Everyone, 

 

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes 
folder.  

I don’t want to lose those messages again.  

Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I 
can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email 
address? 

I’m running an iPhone XR.  

Thank you all in advance.  

 

Janet  

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RE: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Richard,

I think I like the idea of just sending the whole message to the notes or Voice 
Memos now.
Some  times we need to save an important Voice Mail Message, so in my case, I 
do need to keep the entire original Voice Mail Message.
I just don’t want to take the chance of losing certain messages.
I updated to the newest update in Feb of 2023, and low in behold, I lost 
important messages from within the recent calls app.
In which I needed those recent calls for verification purposes, but they were 
lost.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

Janet, only way I can think of to∂ that, is to have VO read the transcript, and 
assuming it reads it all in one go, do the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy the 
text to the clipboard and open a new note, and paste the text into that note... 
 Or you could paste x~to an email of course.
HTH,
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:30 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes 
folder.
I don’t want to lose those messages again.
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I 
can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email 
address?
I’m running an iPhone XR.
Thank you all in advance.

Janet
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RE: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Ron,

You save the audio, but not the original Voice Mail Message, meaning with the 
phone number where it came from, the date ETC?
Do you know if you wanted to forward that same message to another email 
address, could you?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

Hi Janet,

You may not be asking for the audio, but I regularly save audio versions of my 
voice mails that are left on my Spectrum Phone account.
I am able to look under voice mail under the iPhone app and see a copy of the 
message. If I swipe up once, I get a menu one item of which is share. If I 
share, one of the options is to send it to voice memos. When I do this, I can 
see the voice memo in audio format listed in the voice memo app with a 
hexadecimal type title (series of numbers and letters.)  I can then edit the 
name by double tapping on the name field and deleting the default and replacing 
it with something recognizable.

On 3/24/2024 6:28 PM, Jody ianuzzi wrote:
Tap on the voicemail to open it. From there tap on the name and swipe down 
until you hear share. Then from the share sheet you can save it to Notes or I 
save it to Voice Memos.
JODY

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On Mar 24, 2024, at 5:30 PM, janet gross 
 wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes 
folder.
I don’t want to lose those messages again.
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I 
can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email 
address?
I’m running an iPhone XR.
Thank you all in advance.

Janet
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RE: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Jody,
When you say tap the name which name are you talking about?
So, you save the voice mail messages to the Voice Memos, I’m assuming if the 
message is saved to the Voice Memos, one could listen to the message, and if 
need be, one can forward that same  voice Mail Message to another email address?
Thank you so much.

Janet
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ianuzzi
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

Tap on the voicemail to open it. From there tap on the name and swipe down 
until you hear share. Then from the share sheet you can save it to Notes or I 
save it to Voice Memos.
JODY


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On Mar 24, 2024, at 5:30 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes 
folder.
I don’t want to lose those messages again.
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I 
can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email 
address?
I’m running an iPhone XR.
Thank you all in advance.

Janet
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Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread Ron Canazzi

Hi Janet,

You may not be asking for the audio, but I regularly save audio versions 
of my voice mails that are left on my Spectrum Phone account.
I am able to look under voice mail under the iPhone app and see a copy 
of the message. If I swipe up once, I get a menu one item of which is 
share. If I share, one of the options is to send it to voice memos. When 
I do this, I can see the voice memo in audio format listed in the voice 
memo app with a hexadecimal type title (series of numbers and letters.)  
I can then edit the name by double tapping on the name field and 
deleting the default and replacing it with something recognizable.



On 3/24/2024 6:28 PM, Jody ianuzzi wrote:
Tap on the voicemail to open it. From there tap on the name and swipe 
down until you hear share. Then from the share sheet you can save it 
to Notes or I save it to Voice Memos.

JODY

To Boldly Go  


thunderwalker...@gmail.com

"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS 
 Erik Weihenmayer


On Mar 24, 2024, at 5:30 PM, janet gross  
wrote:




Hi Everyone,

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to 
my notes folder.


I don’t want to lose those messages again.

Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes 
folder, so I can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to 
send them to an email address?


I’m running an iPhone XR.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

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Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread Richard Turner
That is very helpful. I did not realize you could save the recordings. Good to know. 'Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 24, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Tap on the voicemail to open it. From there tap on the name and swipe down until you hear share. Then from the share sheet you can save it to Notes or I save it to Voice Memos.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Mar 24, 2024, at 5:30 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Everyone, 
 
Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes folder. 

I don’t want to lose those messages again.  
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email address?

I’m running an iPhone XR.  
Thank you all in advance.  
 
Janet  






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Re: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone

2024-03-24 Thread Chuck Adkins
I had the same problem with my focus, blue braille display. I had to turn
it off and unplug it completely, and then tell my iPhone to forget the
device. Then I turned Bluetooth completely off, rebooted the phone, turned
Bluetooth back on, and it seemed to fix the problem. Don't know if that
would work for you, but just thought I would let you know what happened to
me. I have other displays and they don't seem to have that issue like the
Bluetooth does, or at least I should say the issue that my Bluetooth had

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 7:43 PM CJ & AA MAY  wrote:

> I recently purchased a Focus Blue Notetaker which for the past three weeks
> has happily acted as a braille display for my computer and iPhone.
>
> But I seem to have inadvertently upset the settings and at the moment,
> none of my Bluetooth headphones will work on the iPhone. I can see the
> devices listed in Bluetooth in settings but it tells me that none of them
> are available, only my Focus Blue Notetaker.
>
> I have now deleted the Focus Blue in my iPhone’s settings and also in the
> Focus Blue’s Connectivity settings itself, but still, my Bluetooth devices
> refuse to work on my iPhone.
>
> I am tempted to remove everything and then re-install them but does anyone
> have any other ideas?
>
> Alison
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RE: unable to use any of my Bluetooth devices with my iPhone

2024-03-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
If you haven't tried this already, empty the App Switcher and restart your 
iPhone. Also, try forgetting one of those Bluetooth devices to see if you can 
then pair it up again. If you've tried that, and you're getting desperate, 
reset all network settings to see if that does the rick. You'll need to pair 
all of your Bluetooth devices again.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone

I recently purchased a Focus Blue Notetaker which for the past three weeks has 
happily acted as a braille display for my computer and iPhone.
But I seem to have inadvertently upset the settings and at the moment, none of 
my Bluetooth headphones will work on the iPhone. I can see the devices listed 
in Bluetooth in settings but it tells me that none of them are available, only 
my Focus Blue Notetaker.
I have now deleted the Focus Blue in my iPhone's settings and also in the Focus 
Blue's Connectivity settings itself, but still, my Bluetooth devices refuse to 
work on my iPhone.
I am tempted to remove everything and then re-install them but does anyone have 
any other ideas?
Alison
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Re: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone

2024-03-24 Thread Andy Baracco
Probably should forget them and re pair them.

Andy

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  Subject: RE: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone


  I recently purchased a Focus Blue Notetaker which for the past three weeks 
has happily acted as a braille display for my computer and iPhone.

  But I seem to have inadvertently upset the settings and at the moment, none 
of my Bluetooth headphones will work on the iPhone. I can see the devices 
listed in Bluetooth in settings but it tells me that none of them are 
available, only my Focus Blue Notetaker.

  I have now deleted the Focus Blue in my iPhone’s settings and also in the 
Focus Blue’s Connectivity settings itself, but still, my Bluetooth devices 
refuse to work on my iPhone.

  I am tempted to remove everything and then re-install them but does anyone 
have any other ideas?

  Alison


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RE: unable to use any of my bluetooth devices with my iPhone

2024-03-24 Thread CJ & AA MAY
I recently purchased a Focus Blue Notetaker which for the past three weeks has 
happily acted as a braille display for my computer and iPhone.

But I seem to have inadvertently upset the settings and at the moment, none of 
my Bluetooth headphones will work on the iPhone. I can see the devices listed 
in Bluetooth in settings but it tells me that none of them are available, only 
my Focus Blue Notetaker.

I have now deleted the Focus Blue in my iPhone’s settings and also in the Focus 
Blue’s Connectivity settings itself, but still, my Bluetooth devices refuse to 
work on my iPhone.

I am tempted to remove everything and then re-install them but does anyone have 
any other ideas?

Alison

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RE: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Carolyn,
Thank you.
What a mess that was, but now, all is well.

Janet

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

That is great news, Janet. Glad you found the right fix.

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janet gross
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 5:24 PM
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Subject: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

Hi Everyone,



I finally updated to iOS 17.4.1 from the advice of Apple.

Sure enough, it worked.

As soon as I updated, I restarted my phone, and there were some of my voice 
mail messages I was saving.

I then went in to the deleted folder, and undeleted the messages I wanted to 
put back in my Voice Mail Messages folder.

At least when I talked to an Apple rep this last time, she told me the iOS 
17.4.1 was to fix the issue I was having, and Apple was aware of this issue, as 
it happened to others.

So, I wasn't the only one who was having this problem.



Janet

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RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Tom,

Thank you, but I didn’t need to remove the Sem card after all.
Removing the Sem card wouldn’t have helped my issue.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

hi Janet,
The SIM tray is very hard to locate by touch, and when you do, use something 
like a push pin that you would use for posting something on a bulletin board; 
that’s worked great for me. However, when I switched to Spectrum Mobile I 
switched to using an E-SIM  and would only go back to using an old-fashioned 
SIM card if there wasn’t an E-Sim option. Hope this helps.
Tom



On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:18 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Mike,

No, I don’t have my phone in any case though.
That  Sem Tray must be pretty darn tiny, because I can’t feel it.


Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

Did you take the phone out of the case, if it's in one?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


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From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.

Hi,

My phone is an XR so it is far from being a new phone, I’ve been told the Sem 
Tray on my phone is on the right side, but I still can’t feel it.
If the newer phones don’t have a Sem Tray, where does the Sem Card go on the 
newer phones?
I am not yet convinced removing the Sem Card from my phone will solve my issues.
Today I reset my Network settings, that did no good, with the advice from 
T-Mobile.
I am now waiting for my phone to charge, so I can download the iOS 17.4.1, as 
Apple said this will bring back my voice mail messages.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 9:00 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

I just reviewe!
d this thread.

First off, newer phones don’t have a sim tray. My SE has a very small hole on 
the left side to eject the sim card.
There are time when a sim card can get corrupted and need replacing. And often 
the  diagnostic codes sent to the phone will disconnect the network briefly, so 
it would probably be best to go to a T-Mobile store if you don’t have a second 
cell line or more conventional phone.
HTH
On Mar 22, 2024, at 7:14 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,
I just got off the phone with Apple.
The rep who I talked to said she didn’t know anything about this, and she 
hasn’t heard anything about this before.
I told her to check the Apple Community web site, and she did, and she did see 
what I was talking about.
She also said because of this issue, Apple should be looking in to this, I told 
her T-Mobile is still waiting for Apple to return their call, as they reported 
this to Apple.
Maybe this is just something new, I’m not sure.
She did also tell me I should remove the Sim Card, and replace it back in, the 
same thing T-Mobile told me to do.
She told me where the Sim Tray is, but I don’t know if I have anything around 
the house that small to push in the Sim Tray though.
I don’t remember if I kept the box my phone came in, because she said there is 
a little pin that comes with the phones to use for the Sim  Tray, so I will 
have to look for that.
Just thought  I would let you know.
Another bug to deal with!  Ouch!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

I hope this isn't just another case of each company blaming the other, but ... 
the simm tray is opened by pushing a tiny pin, end of a paperclip, or such, 
into the tiny hole on the left side of the phone, I think about 1/3 of the way 
from the bottom.
I think.

Richard, USA
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On Mar 22, 2024, at 3:04 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,

I just now got a call back from T-Mobile, and they talked to Apple.
T-Mobile said they are waiting for Apple to call them back again to see what 
the fix for this issue is.
T-Mobile said Apple told them the work around for this is to remove the Sim 
card for about a minute, and insert the card back in the tray again, and all 
should be well.
I 

Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

2024-03-24 Thread Tom Lange
hi Janet,The SIM tray is very hard to locate by touch, and when you do, use something like a push pin that you would use for posting something on a bulletin board; that’s worked great for me. However, when I switched to Spectrum Mobile I switched to using an E-SIM  and would only go back to using an old-fashioned SIM card if there wasn’t an E-Sim option. Hope this helps. TomOn Mar 24, 2024, at 2:18 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Mike, 
 
No, I don’t have my phone in any case though. 

That  Sem Tray must be pretty darn tiny, because I can’t feel it. 

 
 
Janet 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.


 

Did you take the phone out of the case, if it's in one?



Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


 


 


- Original Message -


From:
janet gross



To:
viphone@googlegroups.com



Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 8:15 PM


Subject: RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.



 

Hi, 
 
My phone is an XR so it is far from being a new phone, I’ve been told the Sem Tray on my phone is on the right side, but I still can’t feel it.  
If the newer phones don’t have a Sem Tray, where does the Sem Card go on the newer phones?  
I am not yet convinced removing the Sem Card from my phone will solve my issues.    
Today I reset my Network settings, that did no good, with the advice from T-Mobile. 

I am now waiting for my phone to charge, so I can download the iOS 17.4.1, as Apple said this will bring back my voice mail messages. 

 
 
 


From:
viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 9:00 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.


 
I just reviewe!

d this thread.

 


First off, newer phones don’t have a sim tray. My SE has a very small hole on the left side to eject the sim card. 


There are time when a sim card can get corrupted and need replacing. And often the  diagnostic codes sent to the phone will disconnect the network briefly, so it would probably be best to go to a T-Mobile store if you don’t have a second
 cell line or more conventional phone. 


HTH 


On Mar 22, 2024, at 7:14 PM, janet gross  wrote:

 


Richard, 


I just got off the phone with Apple.  


The rep who I talked to said she didn’t know anything about this, and she hasn’t heard anything about this before. 


I told her to check the Apple Community web site, and she did, and she did see what I was talking about. 


She also said because of this issue, Apple should be looking in to this, I told her T-Mobile is still waiting for Apple to return their call, as they reported this to Apple.  


Maybe this is just something new, I’m not sure.  


She did also tell me I should remove the Sim Card, and replace it back in, the same thing T-Mobile told me to do.  


She told me where the Sim Tray is, but I don’t know if I have anything around the house that small to push in the Sim Tray though. 


I don’t remember if I kept the box my phone came in, because she said there is a little pin that comes with the phones to use for the Sim  Tray, so I will have to look for that. 


Just thought  I would let you know.  


Another bug to deal with!  Ouch!  


 


Janet 


 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.




 


I hope this isn't just another case of each company blaming the other, but ... the simm tray is opened by pushing a tiny pin, end of a paperclip, or such, into the tiny hole on the left side of the phone,
 I think about 1/3 of the way from the bottom. 




I think. 




 




Richard, USA


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On Mar 22, 2024, at 3:04 PM, janet gross 
 wrote:








Richard, 


 


I just now got a call back from T-Mobile, and they talked to Apple. 


T-Mobile said they are waiting for Apple to call them back again to see what the fix for this issue is. 


T-Mobile said Apple told them the work around for this is to remove the Sim card for about a minute, and insert the card back in the tray again, and all should be well. 


I can’t seem to find the Sim card tray to remove the card.  


T-Mobile said I could use maybe a earring to remove the card. 


Do you know anything about this? 


So, T-Mobile said everything is working fine on their end, and only Apple can correct this. 


 


Janet 


Janet 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile 

RE: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

2024-03-24 Thread Carolyn Arnold
That is great news, Janet. Glad you found the right fix. 

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janet gross
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Subject: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

Hi Everyone, 

 

I finally updated to iOS 17.4.1 from the advice of Apple.  

Sure enough, it worked.  

As soon as I updated, I restarted my phone, and there were some of my voice 
mail messages I was saving.  

I then went in to the deleted folder, and undeleted the messages I wanted to 
put back in my Voice Mail Messages folder.   

At least when I talked to an Apple rep this last time, she told me the iOS 
17.4.1 was to fix the issue I was having, and Apple was aware of this issue, as 
it happened to others.   

So, I wasn’t the only one who was having this problem.  

 

Janet 

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Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread Jody ianuzzi
Tap on the voicemail to open it. From there tap on the name and swipe down until you hear share. Then from the share sheet you can save it to Notes or I save it to Voice Memos.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Mar 24, 2024, at 5:30 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Everyone, 
 
Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes folder. 

I don’t want to lose those messages again.  
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email address?

I’m running an iPhone XR.  
Thank you all in advance.  
 
Janet  






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Re: Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread Richard Turner
Janet, only way I can think of to∂ that, is to have VO read the transcript, and assuming it reads it all in one go, do the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy the text to the clipboard and open a new note, and paste the text into that note...  Or you could paste x~to an email of course. HTH, Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:30 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Everyone, 
 
Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes folder. 

I don’t want to lose those messages again.  
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email address?

I’m running an iPhone XR.  
Thank you all in advance.  
 
Janet  






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Saving Voice Mail Messages Question Please.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Everyone,

Now that I have my voice mail messages back, I Want  to save them to my notes 
folder.
I don't want to lose those messages again.
Can someone please tell me how to save the messages to my notes folder, so I 
can retrieve them to read in the future, or if I want to send them to an email 
address?
I'm running an iPhone XR.
Thank you all in advance.

Janet

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Re: Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

2024-03-24 Thread Richard Turner
Janet, that i great news. Too bad when they fix things like that, they are not more specific in the update info. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:24 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Everyone, 
 
I finally updated to iOS 17.4.1 from the advice of Apple.  

Sure enough, it worked.  
As soon as I updated, I restarted my phone, and there were some of my voice mail messages I was saving. 

I then went in to the deleted folder, and undeleted the messages I wanted to put back in my Voice Mail Messages folder.   
At least when I talked to an Apple rep this last time, she told me the iOS 17.4.1 was to fix the issue I was having, and Apple was aware of this issue, as it happened to others.   
So, I wasn’t the only one who was having this problem.  

 
Janet 






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Updating to iOS 17.4.1, and Voice Mail Messages.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Everyone,

I finally updated to iOS 17.4.1 from the advice of Apple.
Sure enough, it worked.
As soon as I updated, I restarted my phone, and there were some of my voice 
mail messages I was saving.
I then went in to the deleted folder, and undeleted the messages I wanted to 
put back in my Voice Mail Messages folder.
At least when I talked to an Apple rep this last time, she told me the iOS 
17.4.1 was to fix the issue I was having, and Apple was aware of this issue, as 
it happened to others.
So, I wasn't the only one who was having this problem.

Janet

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RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.

2024-03-24 Thread janet gross
Hi Mike,

No, I don’t have my phone in any case though.
That  Sem Tray must be pretty darn tiny, because I can’t feel it.


Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

Did you take the phone out of the case, if it's in one?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


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From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.

Hi,

My phone is an XR so it is far from being a new phone, I’ve been told the Sem 
Tray on my phone is on the right side, but I still can’t feel it.
If the newer phones don’t have a Sem Tray, where does the Sem Card go on the 
newer phones?
I am not yet convinced removing the Sem Card from my phone will solve my issues.
Today I reset my Network settings, that did no good, with the advice from 
T-Mobile.
I am now waiting for my phone to charge, so I can download the iOS 17.4.1, as 
Apple said this will bring back my voice mail messages.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 9:00 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

I just reviewe!
d this thread.

First off, newer phones don’t have a sim tray. My SE has a very small hole on 
the left side to eject the sim card.
There are time when a sim card can get corrupted and need replacing. And often 
the  diagnostic codes sent to the phone will disconnect the network briefly, so 
it would probably be best to go to a T-Mobile store if you don’t have a second 
cell line or more conventional phone.
HTH
On Mar 22, 2024, at 7:14 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,
I just got off the phone with Apple.
The rep who I talked to said she didn’t know anything about this, and she 
hasn’t heard anything about this before.
I told her to check the Apple Community web site, and she did, and she did see 
what I was talking about.
She also said because of this issue, Apple should be looking in to this, I told 
her T-Mobile is still waiting for Apple to return their call, as they reported 
this to Apple.
Maybe this is just something new, I’m not sure.
She did also tell me I should remove the Sim Card, and replace it back in, the 
same thing T-Mobile told me to do.
She told me where the Sim Tray is, but I don’t know if I have anything around 
the house that small to push in the Sim Tray though.
I don’t remember if I kept the box my phone came in, because she said there is 
a little pin that comes with the phones to use for the Sim  Tray, so I will 
have to look for that.
Just thought  I would let you know.
Another bug to deal with!  Ouch!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

I hope this isn't just another case of each company blaming the other, but ... 
the simm tray is opened by pushing a tiny pin, end of a paperclip, or such, 
into the tiny hole on the left side of the phone, I think about 1/3 of the way 
from the bottom.
I think.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Mar 22, 2024, at 3:04 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,

I just now got a call back from T-Mobile, and they talked to Apple.
T-Mobile said they are waiting for Apple to call them back again to see what 
the fix for this issue is.
T-Mobile said Apple told them the work around for this is to remove the Sim 
card for about a minute, and insert the card back in the tray again, and all 
should be well.
I can’t seem to find the Sim card tray to remove the card.
T-Mobile said I could use maybe a earring to remove the card.
Do you know anything about this?
So, T-Mobile said everything is working fine on their end, and only Apple can 
correct this.

Janet
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

Do you have the latest Be My Eyes? Check under service directory, technical, 
there is a way to call TMobile/Sprint in there. Might be worth a try.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth


PASTING A NOTE INTO A TEXT MESSAGE

2024-03-24 Thread John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Hi:

 

For some reason, I’m not able to paste a note into a text message I’m sending 
to someone, seems that I’ve done it before. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
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Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.

2024-03-24 Thread Mike B.
Did you take the phone out of the case, if it's in one?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!


- Original Message - 
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: T-Mobile Phone Number.


Hi,



My phone is an XR so it is far from being a new phone, I’ve been told the 
Sem Tray on my phone is on the right side, but I still can’t feel it.

If the newer phones don’t have a Sem Tray, where does the Sem Card go on the 
newer phones?

I am not yet convinced removing the Sem Card from my phone will solve my 
issues.

Today I reset my Network settings, that did no good, with the advice from 
T-Mobile.

I am now waiting for my phone to charge, so I can download the iOS 17.4.1, 
as Apple said this will bring back my voice mail messages.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 9:00 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.



I just reviewe!

d this thread.



First off, newer phones don’t have a sim tray. My SE has a very small hole 
on the left side to eject the sim card.

There are time when a sim card can get corrupted and need replacing. And 
often the  diagnostic codes sent to the phone will disconnect the network 
briefly, so it would probably be best to go to a T-Mobile store if you don’t 
have a second cell line or more conventional phone.

HTH



  On Mar 22, 2024, at 7:14 PM, janet gross  
wrote:



  Richard,

  I just got off the phone with Apple.

  The rep who I talked to said she didn’t know anything about this, and she 
hasn’t heard anything about this before.

  I told her to check the Apple Community web site, and she did, and she did 
see what I was talking about.

  She also said because of this issue, Apple should be looking in to this, I 
told her T-Mobile is still waiting for Apple to return their call, as they 
reported this to Apple.

  Maybe this is just something new, I’m not sure.

  She did also tell me I should remove the Sim Card, and replace it back in, 
the same thing T-Mobile told me to do.

  She told me where the Sim Tray is, but I don’t know if I have anything 
around the house that small to push in the Sim Tray though.

  I don’t remember if I kept the box my phone came in, because she said 
there is a little pin that comes with the phones to use for the Sim  Tray, 
so I will have to look for that.

  Just thought  I would let you know.

  Another bug to deal with!  Ouch!



  Janet



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 5:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.



  I hope this isn't just another case of each company blaming the other, but 
... the simm tray is opened by pushing a tiny pin, end of a paperclip, or 
such, into the tiny hole on the left side of the phone, I think about 1/3 of 
the way from the bottom.

  I think.



  Richard, USA

  “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
get it.”

  -- Cedrick Bridgeforth



  My web site: https://www.turner42.com/













On Mar 22, 2024, at 3:04 PM, janet gross  
wrote:



Richard,



I just now got a call back from T-Mobile, and they talked to Apple.

T-Mobile said they are waiting for Apple to call them back again to see 
what the fix for this issue is.

T-Mobile said Apple told them the work around for this is to remove the 
Sim card for about a minute, and insert the card back in the tray again, and 
all should be well.

I can’t seem to find the Sim card tray to remove the card.

T-Mobile said I could use maybe a earring to remove the card.

Do you know anything about this?

So, T-Mobile said everything is working fine on their end, and only 
Apple can correct this.



Janet

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile Phone Number.



Do you have the latest Be My Eyes? Check under service directory, 
technical, there is a way to call TMobile/Sprint in there. Might be worth a 
try.





Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth



My web site: https://www.turner42.com/















  On Mar 22, 2024, at 2:22 PM, janet gross  
wrote:

  

  Hello Everyone,

  Would someone who uses T-Mobile as their phone carrier give me a phone 
number to call them for tech support?

  I just called them, and the rep who I talked to said T-Mobile has been 
having a problem on their end regarding the same issue I am having.

  The rep also said he can set up my voice mail greeting, but I can do 
that myself, and he said he 

Re: Test

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An Editor Who Makes Times Visuals Accessible to All

2024-03-24 Thread Richard Turner
An Editor Who Makes Times Visuals Accessible to All

Jaime Tanner, The New York Times's first accessibility visuals editor, wants
to remove barriers to make sure readers with disabilities can engage with
Times visual journalism.

By Sarah Bahr

March 24, 2024, 3:00 a.m. ET

 

When Jaime Tanner joined The New York Times as its first accessibility
visuals editor in July 2022, it was also her first time in a newsroom.

 

Ms. Tanner, who has a master's degree in data visualization from the Parsons
School of Design, came to The Times from Visa, where she built accessible
user interfaces for products and applications.

 

"I tended to overexplain early on," she said of her first few months at The
Times. "I would say, 'This is important for this reason and will benefit our
audience in this way.'"

 

Ultimately, she found that Times journalists were eager to learn about how
they could make articles and visuals accessible to readers with
disabilities. (At least one in four adults in the United States live with at
least one disability, according to the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.)

 

One accessibility feature that readers can find in online articles is alt
text: descriptions of images that can be read aloud or presented as Braille
by assistive technologies. Alt text is critical for people who are blind or
have low vision. Soon after joining The Times, Ms. Tanner worked with the
Newsroom Development and Support team to improve upon and expand the
availability of alt text on photos, graphics and illustrations.

 

Accessibility, Ms. Tanner said, is about "identifying and removing barriers
to make sure everyone can engage with our stories." In an interview, she
reflected on the feedback she had received from readers and her goals for
The Times's journalism. These are edited excerpts from the conversation.

 

What were the first steps you took when you arrived at The Times?

 

One was to do accessibility reviews of stories: I read articles, gave
feedback and made changes that improved the experience for readers who use
different assistive technologies - software or equipment that help readers
with disabilities interact with the web. For example, screen readers read
web pages aloud or translate them into Braille. Speech recognition software
allows people to interact with a page by voice command. When I review
articles, I think about readers who use these technologies and whether they
can access and understand the information.

 

How has your work evolved over the past two years?

 

When I started at The Times, I spent a bit more time explaining what
accessibility meant. Now, Times journalists ask more specific questions
like: "I'm working on this quiz. Does it work with a screen reader?" I can
chat with a Graphics editor about how they might address certain issues. I'm
grateful to see people developing new components of their work with
accessibility in mind.

 

Day to day, I work on accessibility edits on articles, help make changes to
our platforms and discuss best practices and reader feedback with teams.
Looking ahead, I'm thinking more about overall systems versus individual
stories. For example, how can I support our Graphics editors so they can
identify barriers and incorporate accessibility measures using our
publishing tools?

 

What feedback have you received from readers?

 

The Times worked with the American Council of the Blind to put together
focus groups and surveys, which involved reviewing examples of alt text from
articles we have published. There was a lot of feedback about how much extra
detail we were including; readers wanted it short and sweet.

 

On the other hand, they were telling us that the alt text we'd written for
graphics - specifically maps - was often too simple. So now when we write
alt text for graphics, we try to really hone in on all the vital information
that's there. That's challenging for more complex displays like weather
graphics, which are constantly changing.

 

Is there a project you are particularly proud of?

 

After earthquakes struck Turkey and Syria in February 2023, The Times
published an interactive piece that showed a historic Turkish street before
and after the earthquakes. As you scroll through the article, you can see
the demolished street with overlays of buildings that used to be there,
alongside text and more photos describing the scene. There's so much going
on in the article - so many layers of information, more images than text -
and the reporters did a tremendous job describing that experience in alt
text.

 

I shared it with a colleague from a different news organization who's blind;
he said it had a wonderful dynamism he hadn't experienced in a story before.
It was awesome to know that, even for these complex stories, we're able to
do the work to make sure all readers can access the information and feel
immersed in the storytelling.

 

Anything else you want to add?

 

People often think that my work with our visual teams 

Re: seeking tutorial

2024-03-24 Thread Margaret Thomas

Thanks, Michael.

Also, thank you for including a Table of Contents in your book.  I have 
the ePub version of a book on IOS 17 by another author and, apparently, 
there's noTOC which I find very unusual in a non-fiction title.


The rumors about IOS 18 sound like it could be very interesting.

Margaret


On 3/22/2024 9:17 PM, Michael Feir wrote:
It was writen for iOS 15. I started on an iPhone 10R and finished 
writing it on an iPhone 13. I'm now using an iPhone 15 to write the 
third edition which will be aimed at iOS 18. I'll likely need a few 
months to write in all the new additions Apple throws at us, but I'll 
publish as soon as possible. I'm thinking around the end of April 2025. 
Sooner if I can manage that.


Michael Feir
Author of Personal Power: Getting The Most From iOS as a Totally Blind User
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-second-edition-of-personal-power.html?m=1 

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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:38 PM Margaret Thomas > wrote:


Michael,

I have the 2nd edition of your book.  Could you please tell what iPhone
and version of IOS was used?

Many thanks,

Margaret


On 3/21/2024 6:40 AM, Michael Feir wrote:
 > Hello Viki. Quite a lot of help is out ther regarding Face id.
Jonathan
 > Mosen did a very good podcast demonstrating the process of
setting it up
 > and using it. It would still be found at:
 > www.livingblindfully.com 
>
 > Applevis also has lots of resources including at least one podcast
 > episode and likely much more on the subject. Go to:
 > www.applevis.com 
>
 > and search for face id.
 > There's also my book. I did my best to describe how to hold the
iPhone
 > while seting up and using Face ID. You'll find a link to my book
in my
 > signature below.
 >
 > Michael Feir
 > Author of Personal Power: Getting The Most From iOS as a Totally
Blind User
 >
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-second-edition-of-personal-power.html?m=1 
 
>
 > Mastodon: @mfeir@mstdn.social
 > Twitter: mfeir
 > Skype: michael-feir
 > Check out my blog at:
 > http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca

>
 >
 >
 > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 6:06 AM Vicki W. mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>
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 >
 >     __
 >     Hi,
 >     I am switching from the original SE to either a 14 or 15. Since I
 >     have never had to deal with face ID or a phone without a home
key,
 >     does anyone have any suggestions as to where I can get a tutorial
 >     for the new gestures and features of either of those phones?
 >     Also, I was told that one of the 15 models gives you the
option of
 >     using face ID or not. Is that true, and if so, which one?
 >     Thank you.
 >     Vicki
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RE: Pill Reminder App Question

2024-03-24 Thread 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone
It's called Pill Reminder.

Karen P

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Good evening we might not be able to find this app and what is it called again? 
Thank you very much.
Sent from my iPhone

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> Do I need to allow notifications in order for the reminder for taking his
> meds to come through?  On my phone I usually leave notifications off.
> Also, is there anything I need to do to have the reminder appear on his
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Re: Pill Reminder App Question

2024-03-24 Thread Mary Ellen Sanchez
Good evening we might not be able to find this app and what is it called again? 
Thank you very much.
Sent from my iPhone

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