RE: What is the subscription link

[Sieghard Weitzel]

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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 4:18 PM
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Subject: What is the subscription link

My wife has been trying to subscribe to this list but the link I gave her
doesn't seem to be working. Could someone send me the correct subscribe link
so I can give it to her.


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RE: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Can you explain what happened to you?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 5:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble with Zell and Bank Of America app

Honestly, I don’t use Zelle nor PayPal nor Venmo anymore after what had 
happened to me last August with Patelco Credit Union whenever I have a gig 
since I’m a trumpet player, I get paid in cash. I get regular deposits as 
normal, but I don’t use any of the other online ways of getting cash instantly.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 22, 2024, at 12:51 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

Hey guys. Here's the bottom line. When you are in zel, and you go to send money 
to someone, and you double tap the select account button, it's broken. It 
worked for years, and then the last time I used it, it just stopped.
It makes no sense. Only logical explanation is someone broke the app, and we 
need to let them know about it.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 3:10 PM 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
They deny such a policy exist and indicate that I should be able to request 
money from a person I have listed as a contact.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:15 PM, David Grossoehme 
> mailto:d...@grossoehme.com>> wrote:
>
> some banks have a requirement that the sender of the money has to send the 
> money to you and they need to enter your email address at the time that the 
> sending party sends the money.  It sounds like you need to check the Bank of 
> america's policy for these money transfers.  Good luck.
>
> Dave
>
>
>> On 7/20/2024 3:34 AM, 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Sent from my iPhone Hello all,
>> I have no difficulty paying people with Zelle. In general, I find the Bank 
>> of America app quite accessible. However, I am now trying to request money 
>> from someone who does not use Zelle easily. I can get to the screen and can 
>> find that contact, and there is Zelle credentials. However, once I enter the 
>> amount I am requesting, I swipe to a button that reads deposit to select 
>> account. However, if I try to activate the button, nothing happens. 
>> Interestingly, my sited husband indicates that there is no such button at 
>> that spot on the screen. I have tried connecting with Bank Of America 
>> employees to no avail. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I’ve been at 
>> this for quite some time today without success.
>> Amy.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Survey of users regarding native Mail app and no subject messages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Don't see this here with my iPhone 13 Pro. Are you sure these messages in fact 
do have subjects? The only time I hear this is when the message has nothing in 
the subject line.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Survey of users regarding native Mail app and no subject messages

Hi List,

I get an awfully lot of emails to my single email address but I’m noticing a 
peculiarity when reading them this morning with the native Mail app on my 
iPhone 13 Mini running iOS 17.5.1. Many of these messages are being identified 
by Voiceover as having no subject as I move through them by flicking right and 
left. I’m curious whether others are experiencing the same thing and am a bit 
perplexed as to what might have caused it as I’ve changed no settings or 
updated anything recently.

Thanks for any comments.

Alan Lemly
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RE: how send text message with audio recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The link you provided explains how to send audio messages. The only reference 
to transcription is at the beginning where it says:

You can use the Messages app  to record and send audio messages, along with 
transcripts of what’s said in the message.
It further says:
Note: Audio message transcription available in select languages. See the
iOS and iPadOS Feature Availability website, this is a link and if you activate 
it, you get a huge list of all sorts of accessibility and other features.
If I check for "transcription", I do find "audio message transcription", and 
activating the link gives me "Requires download of speech models" and this is 
followed by a list of supported languages.
I find this is not very clear at all. In any case, I'll leave it at this since 
personally I have no need for it and if the transcription is as good as the 
voice mail transcription then it leaves a lot to be desired anyways. Maybe with 
iOS 18 and all the Apple Intelligence stuff that is coming for people who have 
an iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max or later, this will get a lot better.

Best regards,
Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 7:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Finally here in English
Send and receive audio messages in Messages on 
iPhone<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph2e42d3117/ios>
support.apple.com<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph2e42d3117/ios>
[cid:image001.png@01DADB04.B6A7BFD0]<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph2e42d3117/ios>
Lyne


Le 19 juill. 2024 à 21:57, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
 a écrit :
I wonder if it is like the voice mail transcription on the iPhone.
I had not heard of this with audio text messages either. But that is a nice 
option.


Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro)



On Jul 19, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Then I must admit my ignorance, I have no idea how you would send an "audio 
text message" which gets translated into text.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Hello,
Here we are talking about audio text message not text message.
If you send an audio text message there is a possibility that could be 
translate in text for deaf person.
When the audio text message is translated, it’s most of the time hard for us to 
listen the audio message. Hope you understand better now
Lyne



Le 18 juill. 2024 à 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :

Sorry, but I'm not sure here what you mean.
" text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get 
the audio when it happened."
Not sure what you mean by "text audio" and by " it's impossible to get the 
audio when it happened."
 As far as I am concerned I can either send a text message or an audio message 
which would be a recording of my actual voice.
If I send a text message I can either type the text using the onscreen keyboard 
or a connected Bluetooth keyboard or Braille display or I can use dictation.
If I send an audio message I start the message, enter my recipient and then I 
tap on "Apps" and "Audio" and then I record my message and send it or of course 
I can ask Siri to send an audio message to whoever my recipient is, Siri will 
ask me to go ahead and record and then send it. I just asked Siri to send an 
audio message to myself to test it, after I recorded a phrase and confirmed I 
wanted to send it, I received a text from myself with the audio and I had to 
tap on it to play it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Not totally true because your text audio can be written for deaf person and for 
us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened.
Lyne




Le 17 juill. 2024 à 19:41, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> a écrit :

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as 
text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you 
can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

That way some time translate in words...
I think it's what he doesn't want...
Lyne





Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> a é

RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Which alarm company do you deal with?


From: 'Amy ruell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 12:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Z-Waive hub recommendations

I have an alarm system, but it is not compatible with the light switches, so no 
luck there.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 20, 2024, at 12:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And I assume you don't have an alarm panel from Alarm.com? If so that will be 
your hub.


From: aruell via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Hi,
Unfortunately, the switches were bought and installed two years ago, so unless 
I wanted to replace them all, (a costly proposition), I need a Z-waive hub to 
configure them, at least according to the Levitton manufacturer.
Thanks.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Did you just buy these switches? Leviton also makes switches which connect 
directly to Wi-Fi, something to think about if you only just bought them and 
they are not yet installed.

From: aruell via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 9:10 AM
To: 'ViPone list' mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Hello,
I need to buy a Z-waive compatible hub so I can automate my levitton light 
switches. Which hubs have accessible aps with VoiceOver?
Thanks.
Amy

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RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And I assume you don't have an alarm panel from Alarm.com? If so that will be 
your hub.


From: aruell via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Hi,
Unfortunately, the switches were bought and installed two years ago, so unless 
I wanted to replace them all, (a costly proposition), I need a Z-waive hub to 
configure them, at least according to the Levitton manufacturer.
Thanks.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Did you just buy these switches? Leviton also makes switches which connect 
directly to Wi-Fi, something to think about if you only just bought them and 
they are not yet installed.

From: aruell via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 9:10 AM
To: 'ViPone list' mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Hello,
I need to buy a Z-waive compatible hub so I can automate my levitton light 
switches. Which hubs have accessible aps with VoiceOver?
Thanks.
Amy

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RE: Z-Waive hub recommendations

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you just buy these switches? Leviton also makes switches which connect 
directly to Wi-Fi, something to think about if you only just bought them and 
they are not yet installed.

From: aruell via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 9:10 AM
To: 'ViPone list' 
Subject: Z-Waive hub recommendations

Hello,
I need to buy a Z-waive compatible hub so I can automate my levitton light 
switches. Which hubs have accessible aps with VoiceOver?
Thanks.
Amy

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RE: how send text message with audio recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then I must admit my ignorance, I have no idea how you would send an "audio 
text message" which gets translated into text.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Hello,
Here we are talking about audio text message not text message.
If you send an audio text message there is a possibility that could be 
translate in text for deaf person.
When the audio text message is translated, it’s most of the time hard for us to 
listen the audio message. Hope you understand better now
Lyne


Le 18 juill. 2024 à 11:36, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :

Sorry, but I'm not sure here what you mean.
" text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get 
the audio when it happened."
Not sure what you mean by "text audio" and by " it's impossible to get the 
audio when it happened."
 As far as I am concerned I can either send a text message or an audio message 
which would be a recording of my actual voice.
If I send a text message I can either type the text using the onscreen keyboard 
or a connected Bluetooth keyboard or Braille display or I can use dictation.
If I send an audio message I start the message, enter my recipient and then I 
tap on "Apps" and "Audio" and then I record my message and send it or of course 
I can ask Siri to send an audio message to whoever my recipient is, Siri will 
ask me to go ahead and record and then send it. I just asked Siri to send an 
audio message to myself to test it, after I recorded a phrase and confirmed I 
wanted to send it, I received a text from myself with the audio and I had to 
tap on it to play it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Not totally true because your text audio can be written for deaf person and for 
us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened.
Lyne



Le 17 juill. 2024 à 19:41, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> a écrit :

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as 
text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you 
can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

That way some time translate in words...
I think it's what he doesn't want...
Lyne




Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you 
open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app 
section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you 
will see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either 
visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio 
message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating 
an audio message note that I believe, unless you alter some thing in Settings, 
these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't 
want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under 
messages in settings




On Jul 17, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'd like to learn how to do this but I can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out 
there know how to send messages that have audio recordings instead of 
everything written out?



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RE: contacts

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe you meant to say you were running the iOS 18 Beta since last month 
because if you were running it since last year you must have a really close 
connection to tim Cook 

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RE: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Here is the group owner's email, this is taken directly from a message I 
received from that group today:

apple-beta-users+ow...@groups.io

Based on this format what I wrote was probably turned around, instead of 
"subscribe+" you could try putting the group name first followed by +subscribe 
just as in the example above it has +owner.



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I did try the email and unfortunately it must not be the correct one. Hopefully 
someone will have an email from them and be able to provide me the address. 
Thank you so much for trying to answer questions and also trying to point me in 
the right direction of the list for the beta discussion.
Loreal
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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> There is also a list to specifically discuss the Beta. I don't currently 
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> I can’t remember, but is commenting or asking questions about a beta release 
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RE: Asking a question about a beta on this list?

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There is also a list to specifically discuss the Beta. I don't currently have a 
message from the list, but you can try this:

subscribe+apple-beta-us...@groups.io

 

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I can’t remember, but is commenting or asking questions about a beta release of 
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RE: how send text message with audio recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, but I'm not sure here what you mean.
" text audio can be written for deaf person and for us it's impossible to get 
the audio when it happened."
Not sure what you mean by "text audio" and by " it's impossible to get the 
audio when it happened."
 As far as I am concerned I can either send a text message or an audio message 
which would be a recording of my actual voice.
If I send a text message I can either type the text using the onscreen keyboard 
or a connected Bluetooth keyboard or Braille display or I can use dictation.
If I send an audio message I start the message, enter my recipient and then I 
tap on "Apps" and "Audio" and then I record my message and send it or of course 
I can ask Siri to send an audio message to whoever my recipient is, Siri will 
ask me to go ahead and record and then send it. I just asked Siri to send an 
audio message to myself to test it, after I recorded a phrase and confirmed I 
wanted to send it, I received a text from myself with the audio and I had to 
tap on it to play it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 6:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

Not totally true because your text audio can be written for deaf person and for 
us it's impossible to get the audio when it happened.
Lyne


Le 17 juill. 2024 à 19:41, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> a écrit :

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as 
text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you 
can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

That way some time translate in words...
I think it's what he doesn't want...
Lyne



Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you 
open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app 
section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you 
will see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either 
visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio 
message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating 
an audio message note that I believe, unless you alter some thing in Settings, 
these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't 
want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under 
messages in settings



On Jul 17, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I'd like to learn how to do this but I can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out 
there know how to send messages that have audio recordings instead of 
everything written out?



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RE: How to Set Split Tap

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with the slide to type, but both of these are personal preference, I 
personally like the predictive text function.

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Set Split Tap

The other things to be sure you change in settings, general, keyboard is to 
turn off slide to type and predictive text. They are both a pain in the butt 
for VoiceOver users. If those are off, touch typing works very well because you 
do not have to slide unless you touch the wrong letter, then slide to the 
correct letter and lift. It works great. But I usually use braille screen input 
just because it is even easier for me.


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On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:35 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
I could never figure out touch typing either. I could never really slide to 
the letters I wanted very easily. I’m glad I have my braille keyboard to use 
instead.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!


On Jul 17, 2024, at 7:27 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

The setting is called Touch Typing and is under VoiceOver settings, typing: and 
will say:
Typing Style Touch Typing

You probably have typing style set to normal, double tap and flick through the 
options and select touch typing. Then, touch and lift will be their friend.

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On Jul 17, 2024, at 5:06 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:

Actually I was referring to just split tapping on the home screen but since you 
mentioned it, I was also looking on how to set up typing such that I can touch 
a letter & when I lift my finger, it is typed.  I looked through settings but 
could not find it & set it up so long ago that I can’t remember what I did.  I 
think this would also help the friend who just started using voice over.

I thought about changing the subject for this but decided I should stick to the 
thread.  I’ve seen so many complaints about changing the subject.

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Set Split Tap

She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing 
has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you 
set up a new iPhone and you have to change it to touch typing which in my 
opinion is much more efficient.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: How to Set Split Tap

Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this 
for free, just like double tapping.

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From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: How to Set Split Tap

There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon 
then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other 
finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger 
double tap.



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On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com<mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  
I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone.

Thanks,
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RE: how send text message with audio recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you mean dictation where you speak the message, but it is then entered as 
text then no, an audio message means sending a voice recording just like you 
can send a voice message or a text message in Whatsapp.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how send text message with audio recording

That way some time translate in words...
I think it's what he doesn't want...
Lyne


Le 17 juill. 2024 à 16:22, Barbara Stahl  a écrit 
:

Are you talking about sending an audio Message if this is the case, then you 
open messages, compose a message and The audio message option is in the app 
section if you scroll down your phone in the compose message dialogue thing you 
will see or rather hear VoiceOver say apps, and it'll say they're either 
visible or hidden double tap until it says apps visible, then scroll to audio 
message and double tap that and then it'll tell you instructions for creating 
an audio message note that I believe, unless you alter some thing in Settings, 
these messages will disappear after a specified amount of time so if you don't 
want them to disappear, you have to make the change in settings probably under 
messages in settings


On Jul 17, 2024, at 2:53 PM, Dan  wrote:


I'd like to learn how to do this but I can't seem to find the info.  Anyone out 
there know how to send messages that have audio recordings instead of 
everything written out?



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RE: How to Set Split Tap

[Sieghard Weitzel]

She may refer to using split tap when typing text in which case standard typing 
has to be selected, but I believe that is still the case by default when you 
set up a new iPhone and you have to change it to touch typing which in my 
opinion is much more efficient.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 10:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Set Split Tap

Agreed. Split tap is just an alternative to double tapping, and you get this 
for free, just like double tapping.

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From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Set Split Tap

There is no setting I know of. Split Tap means holding one finger on the icon 
then while keeping that finger in contact with the screen, tap with any other 
finger then release. It can be more accurate for some than the single finger 
double tap.



Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro)


On Jul 17, 2024, at 9:17 AM, 
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Hello,

I have been using split tap for years & years so don’t remember how to set it.  
I want to share this with a friend who recently got an Iphone.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells
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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You only have to pay if you want to speak to Aira agents for more than 5 
minutes or make multiple calls in a day. When it comes to the AI feature, I 
don't think Aira charges for using it.
Yes, Be My Eyes human help is free, but we were discussing the AI functionality 
here and Aira definitely has more options in that regard.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 8:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

Yes, those features are nice but be my AI is free, whereas you have to pay a 
subscription to use all of iris features, right


On Jul 7, 2024, at 4:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Yes, this is currently the only way to get a description for a picture you 
already have, hopefully Be My Eyes  will at some point add a button to access 
the photo library. In the Scene channel of the Seeing AI app you have a button 
to take a picture and another button which allows you to access your photo 
library but there still is an option for sharing it with the Seeing AI app as 
well in the share sheet.
Also, Aira now has expanded their Access AI feature so everybody can uswe it 
and in here you also have several buttons:

Quick Capture and Send - this will simply take a picture with the backfacing 
camera and submit it similar to how it works in Be My Eyes
Detailed Capture - this will actually open the camera app where you can choose 
backfacing or front facing camera, you then have to tap on "Take Picture" and 
after that select either "Retake" or "use". I fyou select use the picture is 
uploaded, but still you don't get a description, at this point you can find the 
"Send" button and the picture will be analysed and described but before doing 
so you can type a message asking for something specific. This is similar to how 
Jaws Picture Smart now gives you the option to submit a photo with a specific 
question already asked rather than just submiting the picture, waiting for the 
description and then asking.
Lastly you have "Choose from Gallery" which if you tap on it for the first time 
asks for permission to access your photo library, you can give limited or full 
access and then you can select any picture you already took and request a 
description.

I find Access AI is also very good, but it gives you these extra options which 
is nice and in addition you also have two other buttons/options at the top 
which are:

Request Aira Verify - this will send the image to an Aira agent who if it was 
described correctly will reply with "Access aI chat has been verified and is 
accurate" or I assume if it is not correct he would provide a better 
description.
Transfer to Aira Agent - this will start a call to an Aira agent and the image 
will be submitted to them so that once the call is answered you can immediately 
discuss the picture and the response provided by the AI

I guess since Be My Eyes has "real" human volunteers, they could implement 
similar options, but currently I would say Access AI has a bit of an edge over 
Be My AI due to these features.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

You open the picture you want described, this could be in photos or in a text 
or email and then you double tap share and you swipe to the option describe 
with by be my eyes and then the app will play music and then describe the image.



On Jul 6, 2024, at 4:18 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:
I find BeMyAI truly remarkable, too, and so useful. But, i don't know how to 
get it to describe a picture/photo that the camera included in the app doesn't 
take. How do you bring the app's attention to a photo that BeMyEyes doesn't 
take? Thanks for your help. Penny
Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 6, 2024, at 12:17 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:

In  my opinion, the Be my AI picture describing feature is much better than 
Seeing AI's scene describing feature.  I just got a notification that a package 
arrived.  I went outside, but could not find it.  I then pulled up the email 
that had the picture showing proof of delivery.  I used both apps to describe 
the image.  The Seeing AI app just said that the picture showed a white sign 
with black letters saying the number of my apartment.  In contrast, the be my 
AI app told me exactly where the package was located in relation to the sign.   
I was able to locate the package immediately.



On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:28 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was 
truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for 
handwriting recognition.
And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now.
However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight 
forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial

RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, this is currently the only way to get a description for a picture you 
already have, hopefully Be My Eyes  will at some point add a button to access 
the photo library. In the Scene channel of the Seeing AI app you have a button 
to take a picture and another button which allows you to access your photo 
library but there still is an option for sharing it with the Seeing AI app as 
well in the share sheet.
Also, Aira now has expanded their Access AI feature so everybody can uswe it 
and in here you also have several buttons:

Quick Capture and Send - this will simply take a picture with the backfacing 
camera and submit it similar to how it works in Be My Eyes
Detailed Capture - this will actually open the camera app where you can choose 
backfacing or front facing camera, you then have to tap on "Take Picture" and 
after that select either "Retake" or "use". I fyou select use the picture is 
uploaded, but still you don't get a description, at this point you can find the 
"Send" button and the picture will be analysed and described but before doing 
so you can type a message asking for something specific. This is similar to how 
Jaws Picture Smart now gives you the option to submit a photo with a specific 
question already asked rather than just submiting the picture, waiting for the 
description and then asking.
Lastly you have "Choose from Gallery" which if you tap on it for the first time 
asks for permission to access your photo library, you can give limited or full 
access and then you can select any picture you already took and request a 
description.

I find Access AI is also very good, but it gives you these extra options which 
is nice and in addition you also have two other buttons/options at the top 
which are:

Request Aira Verify - this will send the image to an Aira agent who if it was 
described correctly will reply with "Access aI chat has been verified and is 
accurate" or I assume if it is not correct he would provide a better 
description.
Transfer to Aira Agent - this will start a call to an Aira agent and the image 
will be submitted to them so that once the call is answered you can immediately 
discuss the picture and the response provided by the AI

I guess since Be My Eyes has "real" human volunteers, they could implement 
similar options, but currently I would say Access AI has a bit of an edge over 
Be My AI due to these features.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

You open the picture you want described, this could be in photos or in a text 
or email and then you double tap share and you swipe to the option describe 
with by be my eyes and then the app will play music and then describe the image.


On Jul 6, 2024, at 4:18 PM, Penny Reeder  wrote:
I find BeMyAI truly remarkable, too, and so useful. But, i don't know how to 
get it to describe a picture/photo that the camera included in the app doesn't 
take. How do you bring the app's attention to a photo that BeMyEyes doesn't 
take? Thanks for your help. Penny
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 6, 2024, at 12:17 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:

In  my opinion, the Be my AI picture describing feature is much better than 
Seeing AI's scene describing feature.  I just got a notification that a package 
arrived.  I went outside, but could not find it.  I then pulled up the email 
that had the picture showing proof of delivery.  I used both apps to describe 
the image.  The Seeing AI app just said that the picture showed a white sign 
with black letters saying the number of my apartment.  In contrast, the be my 
AI app told me exactly where the package was located in relation to the sign.   
I was able to locate the package immediately.


On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:28 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was 
truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for 
handwriting recognition.
And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now.
However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight 
forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps 
that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by 
quite a bit.
At least in my opinion.
Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to 
it first for most things I want to know what it says/is.
But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes.


Richard
"There's a nap for that."
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where 
I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday

RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The provided link is simply a link to Google search results when you search for 
"3d youtube downloader (x64)".
And while this is the French results site, all you would have to do to get the 
same is to open www.Google.com in your browser of choice, copy the above search 
term and paste it into the search field.
Alternatively, often when you have a website in another language like this you 
can look at the address bar and in this case towards the end of the address you 
see the letters "fr" as in =fr- and this is what determines the language, see 
below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=3d+youtube+downloader+(x64)=UTF-8=UTF-8=fr-ca=safaritwermi

If you open this French results page and then go to the address bar with Alt + 
D and then replace "fr" with "en" and press enter, you get everything in 
English, here that link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=3d+youtube+downloader+(x64)=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-ca=safari

By the way, I am explaining this so hopefully if somebody runs into something 
like this again they can do their own trouble shooting and get what they want, 
I don't mean it like "doesn't everybody know this", as in a condescending way.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

I need an English link.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 6:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hello Simon,

Try it:
3d youtube downloader 
(x64)
google.com
[cid:image001.png@01DAD071.53FC3390]

Lyne

Le 5 juill. 2024 à 23:01, Goshawk On Horseback 
mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>>
 a écrit :
Please could you share a link for this app, thanks.

Simon, the March Merman.

On 30 Jun 2024, at 16:23, Lyne 
mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Sarai,
I don't have premieum but I use the link with  3D Youtube Download and it's 
accessible.
Lyne

Le 30 juin 2024 à 10:20, 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com a écrit :

All:
I have youtube premium.
I downloaded a couple videos.
How can I save them to dropbox or a thumb drive?
If I cannot is there another Youtube video downloader app that is accessible?
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RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

[Sieghard Weitzel]

OK, I was able to get TCA Media Downloader, after I couldn't extract it from 
the download link Mario provided, I Googled "Download TCAMD3 and the first 
search result was Richard Turner's website where he has a link to download a 
version which is not password protected and it unzipped without any issues 
using Windows 11. So thanks, Richard, for providing all those resources and 
below is his website, you can simply use Jaws search or I assume the equivalent 
in NVDA and search for "TCA" or use heading navigation to find it:

Richard Turner's Home Page (turner42.com)<https://www.turner42.com/>


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

When I selected "Extract All" after downloading the compressed file, I got the 
message that an error prevented the file from being extracted, it never gave me 
an option to enter the password.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hi,
I use the following program to download YouTube audio and video files.
TCA-MediaDownloader

Download the program here.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=18drXPIjAfjj_BjX1CKnAX1-pT3J4P7fP=download
When unarchiving (also known as unzipping) the .rar file, it has a password, it 
is all lowercase and you
can simply select and copy it to the clipboard and paste it when the process 
asks for the password:
Tecnoconocimientoaccesible
It is a program that does not need to be installed, simply unrar it into it's 
own folder and run it's
executable.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Th Youtube app won’t allow me to share it. I have to keep in in the YT appp.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

You said you already downloaded them, as long as you know where they are just 
go to the video, start playing it and find the Sghare button, then send it to 
your Dropbox.
As for saving it on a thumb drive directly from an iPhone would require you to 
have one of the USB drives which can plug directly into an iPhone, if you have 
anything below an iPhone 15 this means the drive has to have a Lightning port. 
Such drives usually come with an app and you would save it to the drive the 
same way via the share sheet and then instead of selecting Dropbox, you would 
select the app your thumb drive uses.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lyne
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hello Sarai,
I don't have premieum but I use the link with  3D Youtube Download and it's 
accessible.
Lyne

Le 30 juin 2024 à 10:20, 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> a écrit :

All:
I have youtube premium.
I downloaded a couple videos.
How can I save them to dropbox or a thumb drive?
If I cannot is there another Youtube video downloader app that is accessible?
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RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When I selected "Extract All" after downloading the compressed file, I got the 
message that an error prevented the file from being extracted, it never gave me 
an option to enter the password.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hi,
I use the following program to download YouTube audio and video files.
TCA-MediaDownloader

Download the program here.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=18drXPIjAfjj_BjX1CKnAX1-pT3J4P7fP=download
When unarchiving (also known as unzipping) the .rar file, it has a password, it 
is all lowercase and you
can simply select and copy it to the clipboard and paste it when the process 
asks for the password:
Tecnoconocimientoaccesible
It is a program that does not need to be installed, simply unrar it into it's 
own folder and run it's
executable.

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Th Youtube app won’t allow me to share it. I have to keep in in the YT appp.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

You said you already downloaded them, as long as you know where they are just 
go to the video, start playing it and find the Sghare button, then send it to 
your Dropbox.
As for saving it on a thumb drive directly from an iPhone would require you to 
have one of the USB drives which can plug directly into an iPhone, if you have 
anything below an iPhone 15 this means the drive has to have a Lightning port. 
Such drives usually come with an app and you would save it to the drive the 
same way via the share sheet and then instead of selecting Dropbox, you would 
select the app your thumb drive uses.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
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Subject: Re: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hello Sarai,
I don't have premieum but I use the link with  3D Youtube Download and it's 
accessible.
Lyne

Le 30 juin 2024 à 10:20, 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> a écrit :

All:
I have youtube premium.
I downloaded a couple videos.
How can I save them to dropbox or a thumb drive?
If I cannot is there another Youtube video downloader app that is accessible?
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RE: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want to copy a text message you just have to flick down when you are on 
the message you want and copy will be one of the rotor items.
It only copies individual messages in a conversation, however.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

Apparently text selection is not available in messages. On the Action menu 
there is a copy option.
otherwise there is the three finger quadruple tap to copy the last thing spoken 
by VoiceOver.



Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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(sent from my iPhone 13 pro)



On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:01 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:

I thought I’d be able to use this to copy text from a text message I received – 
apparently not.  I’ll try something else.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 6:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

You only get text selection in edit fields or places where you can actually 
select any text.
Have you tried, for example, in the Messages app or Mail app or in Notes? Open 
a new Note and write something, then turn the rotor and I am pretty sure you 
would find text selection.


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Subject: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

Hello,

I have an IPhone SE & have the latest version 17 of IOS.  I have text selection 
on under voice over / rotor but it does not show up when I go through the 
rotor.  I tried unselecting it & selecting it again with no luck.  I do get 
something in rotor called actions.  It says actions activate.  When I select 
that nothing happens.

So what am I doing wrong?  And what is actions in the rotor?

Thanks,
Sherry WElls
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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It can, but as for text recognition, I have so far not found it even close to 
how well Seeing AI works when using the Short Text channel.
And just as a side note, I really miss not having access to it, I am using the 
iOS 18 Developer Beta and while I can use the Seeing AI app with the Document 
channel, light detection and so on, Short Text does nothing at this point and 
also you have to manually tap the Take Picture button in the documents channel, 
it does not take a picture automatically. Similary, it does currently not 
recognize barcodes.
It will be interesting to see if at some point during the Beta cycle this 
starts working again or if it will take an update to Seeing AI.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you 
> can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up 
> text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something 
> more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>
> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
> one at this point.
>
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that."
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
 It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
 feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
 packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
 read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
 or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page 
 of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take 
 a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it 
 high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. 
 All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere 
 else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
 Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
 turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
 inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
 and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
 phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
 My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when 
 I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
 poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
 time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
 was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
 where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
 pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
 like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
 example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
 and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
 Take care, y’all.
 Tom

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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where 
I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!


Richard
"There's a nap for that."
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at 
reading mail. I love it too.


On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a 
while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve 
used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works 
pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide 
whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents 
, or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to 
my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get 
nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and 
microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But 
anyway…

In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, 
so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and 
put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s 
camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded 
by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the 
thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I 
flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly 
see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that 
the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was 
pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted 
assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was 
HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!

For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and 
I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.

Tom



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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, using AI for such things is amazing and while Be My Eyes was the first or 
maybe one of the first apps to offer this in such an easy to use interface, by 
now all the major apps have similar functionality. In Seeing AI The "Scene" 
channel doe smore or less the same thing by letting you take a picture and then 
using AI to describe it, you can also browse the photos on your device to get 
descriptions and Aira just announced that it's "Access AI" is now available to 
all. And of course on the PC, the recent improvements to Jaws Picture Smart are 
nothing short of amazing especially with today's addition which allows you to 
ask a specific question right from the start, if this was possible in Be My 
Eyes or the other apps you could simply ask right from the start that you are 
looking to find out what the temperature on the thermostat is set to and then 
take the picture and send it rather than sending a picture first, waiting for a 
description and then asking if the initial description doesn't include the 
information.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lang...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Be My AI Rocks!

Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a 
while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve 
used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works 
pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide 
whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents 
, or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to 
my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get 
nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and 
microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But 
anyway…

In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, 
so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and 
put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s 
camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded 
by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the 
thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I 
flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly 
see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that 
the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was 
pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted 
assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was 
HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!

For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and 
I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.

Tom



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RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official one

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is all nice and good, but by now the new Sonos app is actually working 
somewhat OK even though it seems less efficient than the old one, but from what 
I read on some Sonos groups and forums I am on, a lot of the complaints by 
sighted users concern the fact that you cannot play music from a local library 
like on a NAS, you can't eduit queues and the snooze feature is missing from 
alarms. Local library playback and alarms are both features which are mentioned 
this SonoPhone app doesn't have to begin with.
This would be quite an opportunity however if a developer could come out with a 
Sonos replacement which can do all these things and do them better than the 
official Sonos app.
Sonos has definitely won the how to make a mess of things lottery; they screwed 
up before when they first started their upgrade program and bricked any device 
you would use to get an upgrade credit before changing their tune and letting 
you use a device to get an upgrade credit but then also either continue to use 
said device or sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Spence, the current 
CEO, is going to be looking for a new job since ultimately I assume the CEO is 
to blame for this idiocy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 1:16 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled 
official one


I have not had any experience with this app, as I have no Sonos gear. However, 
for those of you who are still having a problem with the Sonos screwed up app 
that they still haven’t put completely right, maybe this one will be better. No 
idea how accessible it is or is not.
Mary
Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official 
one
TechRadar - All the latest technology news


[sonos]

If you're one of the Sonos users who doesn't like the updated 
app,
 there may be a solution: a third-party app called SonoPhone.

The app has been out for some time – its version history on the 
Apple App Store goes back eight years and 
the YouTube promo clip embedded below is 
10 years old – but it's being rediscovered by 
Sonos users such as "Cake Burner", who 
writes on Apple's iOS App Store that "after the dreadful launch of the new 
Sonos app... SonoPhone does what it says on the tin... it lacks a few of the 
admin functions [but] for actually playing your own music, managing queues and 
enjoying your hardware it is excellent." It's also proved a hit with 
multiple
 users 
of 
the 
Sonos
 
subreddit.

Sonos has issued multiple updates to restore features removed from the app 
earlier this year, but even the most recent update is still missing some key 
features.
 This month's update is planned to deliver better playback settings, local 
library editing, improved Autoplay settings and improved Sub audio settings; a 
future update will add snooze alarms.
SonoPhone - YouTube [SonoPhone - YouTube]
Watch On 
What you need to know about the SonosPhone app

If you're hoping to run SonoPhone on Android, unfortunately you're out of luck: 
it's an iOS-only app. And while it supports most music streamers it doesn't 
currently support Google Music or enable 
you to stream locally stored music from your phone. It doesn't do alarms, and 
it isn't designed to set up a new Sonos system.

What it does do rather well is operate as a controller for the best Sonos 
speakers. It's been designed to require as few taps as possible to access 
commonly used features, and while it's not going to win any awards for its 
looks – its interface is very dated – it's fast and effective. It's also 
compatible with tons of iPhones going back to the iPhone 4S and the 5th-gen 
iPod Touch.

Writing on 
HowToGeek.com,
 Sonos owner and SonoPhone user Tyler Hayes says that while he doesn't 
anticipate it being his main Sonos app forever "it's a great stop-gap measure 
right now"; Hayes "wouldn't be surprised if other burned Sonos 

RE: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You only get text selection in edit fields or places where you can actually 
select any text.
Have you tried, for example, in the Messages app or Mail app or in Notes? Open 
a new Note and write something, then turn the rotor and I am pretty sure you 
would find text selection.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 2:13 PM
To: 'VIPhone' 
Subject: Adding Text Selection to Rotor

Hello,

I have an IPhone SE & have the latest version 17 of IOS.  I have text selection 
on under voice over / rotor but it does not show up when I go through the 
rotor.  I tried unselecting it & selecting it again with no luck.  I do get 
something in rotor called actions.  It says actions activate.  When I select 
that nothing happens.

So what am I doing wrong?  And what is actions in the rotor?

Thanks,
Sherry WElls
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RE: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You said you already downloaded them, as long as you know where they are just 
go to the video, start playing it and find the Sghare button, then send it to 
your Dropbox.
As for saving it on a thumb drive directly from an iPhone would require you to 
have one of the USB drives which can plug directly into an iPhone, if you have 
anything below an iPhone 15 this means the drive has to have a Lightning port. 
Such drives usually come with an app and you would save it to the drive the 
same way via the share sheet and then instead of selecting Dropbox, you would 
select the app your thumb drive uses.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2024 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: saving youtube videos to dropbox or thumb drive

Hello Sarai,
I don't have premieum but I use the link with  3D Youtube Download and it's 
accessible.
Lyne


Le 30 juin 2024 à 10:20, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com a écrit :

All:
I have youtube premium.
I downloaded a couple videos.
How can I save them to dropbox or a thumb drive?
If I cannot is there another Youtube video downloader app that is accessible?
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RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, there is no extra step if you unlock your iPhone, you do it as you always 
do with Face Id or Touch Id depending on your phone model and of course from 
time to time your PIN if you reboot your phone or if biometric authentication 
doesn't work for some reason, but it's the same as before.
2-Factor authentication for your Apple Id only comes into play if you log into 
the website and so on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Sieghard, I understand the use of two factor authentication within apps , such 
as for banking.  My original question relates to setting it up as security for 
the iPhone itself, which it looks like I might need to do if I want to be able 
to switch automatically between using my airpods pro 2nd gen on my iPhone and 
my iPad.

I was wondering if there are any disadvantages to setting it up on my phone, 
and also if it is set, is that an extra step I would have to take every time I 
opened my phone?  Maybe a stupid question, but…

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been under a misconception for a few 
years now. I guess you learn something new every day in the world of technology.
On 6/27/2024 9:32 AM, Barbara Stahl wrote:
Great job on the explanation I particularly like the analogy to the lockpicks 
that was great

On Jun 27, 2024, at 1:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.
In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.
Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.
2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.
Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

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Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.
On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com<mailto:paekstr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


Hello,



I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web 

RE: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ron, you are talking about Apples and Oranges here, non pun intended, but using 
biometric authentication like Touch Id or Face Id has nothing to do with 
2-Factor authentication.
In any case, you cannot set up Touch Id or Face Id without also setting up a 
6-digit PIN. I say 6-digit because that is the default on the iPhone, you can 
still do a 4-digit PIN, but it's not immediately apparent how to do it since 
Apple wants you to have the higher security of a 6 digit PIN.
Not using Touch Id or Face Id depending on which device you have is a little 
bit like using a set of lockpick tools to unlock your front door instead of 
simply using your key. It is very quick, for me at least it is highly reliable 
and for the occasional time when for some reason it does not unlock via Face 
Id, I just use the PIN.
2-Factor authentication is an entirely different security measure as it 
requires you to authenticate your sign-in with a second method in addition to 
entering your password. For example, if I want to log into my bank's online 
system, I go to their website and enter my user name and my password, but now 
instead of getting logged in, another screen comes up which tells me that a 
notification was sent to my mobile device and I now first have to unlock my 
iPhone, then I double tap on the notification and I am then presented with my 
bank's app which asks me to confirm that I am trying to sign in. Only when I 
tap on "allow" will the sign in process on the website  complete.
Other websites or services employ different methods of 2-factor authentication, 
if I sign into Dropbox online I am asked to enter a code which I have to get 
from my authenticator app where I have setup Dropbox like that, yet other sites 
may send a code via text message or email.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad

Hi Group,

I always worry about any type of picture/fingerprint/alternative method of 
authentication. I worry that my fingers might have gotten dirty or sticky or 
callused or that I wouldn't be able to position my iPhone properly for the AI 
within the authentication process to properly identify my 'ugly' face.
That is why I try avoiding two factor authentication.

On 6/24/2024 4:56 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,

I can’t answer your question, but am wondering if you are finding a problem 
with it being turned on?

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Reason to Not Use Two Factor Authentication on iPhone and iPad


Hello,



I recently wanted to turn two factor authentication off but!

I read on the web that if off, and you turn it on, you have only 2 weeks to 
turn it off again.

In the 1 year since getting my first iPhone, it must have been turned on and I 
didn't know.

Maybe the store clerk who sett me up to get started with SIRI and VoiceOver,  
did it.

I guess that means I can't turn it off.



If anyone knows how to, please let us know.



Peter T.





On 2024-06-24 12:33 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:
I have never set up two factor authentication on my iPhone or iPad.  I have 
recently gotten the airpods pro 2nd generation, and it seems that in order for 
them to switch automatically between the iPhone and iPad, I would need to be 
using two factor authentication.

Are there any downsides to using two factor?  Also, does this mean that every 
time I open my phone, for example, that in addition to face ID or entering my 
PIN, I would also need to enter the code sent to me?

Thanks for any information.

Pam

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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I assume it will be available not so much further down the road considering 
it's been in Beta for some time now.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

Hello Sieghard,
Unfortunately, the iPad beta version is locked. It says that it is full and no 
longer takes new testers.
Follow me on X @ibnalbalad


On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it<https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/ipad-users-finally-get-a-dedicated-whatsapp-application-heres-how-to-do-it/articleshow/103842898.cms?from=mdr>



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
>>>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.

>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found 

RE: Fast forwarding or rewinding through a Disney+ movie using the track position adjuster button

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you tried to double tap and hold on the slider and then drag your finger 
left or right?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:11 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Fast forwarding or rewinding through a Disney+ movie using the track 
position adjuster button

Hi List!
I recently updated disney plus and now the track position button only allows me 
to move a few seconds forward or back through the movie at a time.  It takes 
forever to move so much as a minute forward or back through the movie.  It used 
to allow me to move at at least one minute intervals.  do any of you know of a 
way to change the intervals for this button?
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RE: A question for Bluetooth users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad "yet", 
but it is in Beta, see the below article:



iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to do 
it



Best regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it using a 
browser like Safari.

Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland 
> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the layout 
> might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being used on a 
> larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume you use 
> the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate WhatsApp on 
> the iPhone.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Cris Ali

> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>

> Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

> I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an iPad can 
> be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you tried using 
> the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the chronology of chats 
> very confusing.

> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>

>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland 
>> mailto:eila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Cris,

>> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite extensively. I 
>> have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I have been fine. 
>> Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone or iPad, I use 
>> it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people to use an iPad 
>> since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more screen real 
>> estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low vision folks so 
>> that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing with zooming in 
>> and out.

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>> Of Cris Ali

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

>> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

>>

>> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard setting today 
>> to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is turned off. 
>> Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did you use on 
>> an iPhone or with an iPad?

>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

>>

 On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
 mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using a

>>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

>>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Cris Ali" mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>>

>>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

>>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello dear listers,

>>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

>>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth keyboard users 
>>> on that list.

>>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

>>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

>>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under settings,

>>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

>>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on

>>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?

>>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.

>>> Cheers,

>>> Follow me on X @ibnalbalad

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RE: What's Up With GMail's Spam Filtering?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Are you sure you meant to send this reply to this thread?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 3:35 PM
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Subject: Re: What's Up With GMail's Spam Filtering?

So I know you guys are aware of the Facebook messenger issue I did find a way 
to report it through meta-accessibility at least that’s what they’re calling 
themselves now. Here’s the website.
facebook.com
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On Jun 19, 2024, at 12:57 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
Every once in a while I go into my Gmail Junk folder using the native mail app 
on my phone.  It’s amazing what I find in there sometimes. Unfortunately, I 
keep finding stuff that is posted to this list that should have gone directly 
to my inbox but it is routed to the junk folder instead. So why is Gmail doing 
that? Any ideas?
Thanks,
Tom


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RE: What's Up With GMail's Spam Filtering?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't use Gmail much, but I find they filter out a lot of messages which 
shouldn't be. We have the ability to send sales receipts to a customer from our 
point of sale solution, but whenever a customer has a Gmail address I usually 
warn them that it is quite likely they may have to look for their receipt in 
their junk mail/spam mailbox and more often than not when I send just normal 
email and I later hear from the customer they didn't get it, it ended up in 
their Gmail junk mail box. I am not saying Outlook is perfect here, but it is 
definitely quite rare this happens and then usually pressing Shift + F10 on the 
message, arrowing to "Junk" and selecting "This is not junk" does the trick, it 
moves the message back to the Inbox and at the same time adds the email address 
to the safe senders list. Of course this has to be done on a computer using 
Outlook or on the new Outlook app as there is no such option in the Mail app of 
the iPhone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 1:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What's Up With GMail's Spam Filtering?

Good to know, I’m not the only one having this issue and it’s weird because I’m 
using the native mail app on the iPhone can’t see spam mail at all folder 
regarding the folder until I go on the website for Gmail on the chrome browser 
on my laptop since I use Windows 11, that’s what I do and then I look and see 
some of these Threads that or supposed to go to my inbox directly as well in 
the spam so it’s not just you having this issue I think it’s very interesting. 
Do not know a solution other than two unmark from spam.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 19, 2024, at 12:57 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
Every once in a while I go into my Gmail Junk folder using the native mail app 
on my phone.  It’s amazing what I find in there sometimes. Unfortunately, I 
keep finding stuff that is posted to this list that should have gone directly 
to my inbox but it is routed to the junk folder instead. So why is Gmail doing 
that? Any ideas?
Thanks,
Tom


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RE: Walmart Black Friday deal

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can always send your iPhone 15 Pro to me, I assure you I would use it as my 
daily iPhone 藍
I don't even know what to do with 2 iPhones, never saw a reason why I should 
have 2 devices, I once did that and kept an older iPhone and after a few weeks 
I decided there really was no point since I never used it anyways.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2024 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Walmart Black Friday deal

Of course, grin, you're right. After all, I could just go and buy myself a $500 
Walmart E gift card, but where is the fun in that. I can assure you, though, 
that I always put my designated amount into my money market/savings account 
each month before doing something impractical like this. My sighted sister 
likes to joke that I always manage to keep her in iPhones. And in fact, just as 
I kind of suspected, she very quickly made that iPhone 14 Plus with its much 
bigger screen her daily iPhone, and she relegated the iPhone 13 Mini that I 
gave her last year to a backup iPhone. She is also giving me back the iPhone 11 
I gave her two or three years ago, and I'm going to trade that in at Apple for 
an Apple E gift card for myself.

As for myself, believe it or not, I'm currently using as my daily iPhones a 12 
Mini and a 13 Mini. I had originally planned to start using my 15 Pro and trade 
in my own 13 Mini for an E gift card with Apple when the battery Reached 80%, 
and it's now at 82%. I had also planned to trade in my iPhone 12 Mini, where 
its battery is also at 82%, for an iPhone 15 when its battery reached 80%. But 
now with the new upgrades coming this fall  only being on the iPhone 15 Pro 
models, I'm just not sure what I'm going to do. And of course, grin, there's 
always the Walmart gift card promotion to think about around this coming 
Thanksgiving.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 18, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

You sure go through a lot of trouble for a $500 Walmart gift card; in my 
opinion it's never wortthwhile buying something to get something else if you 
don't really need or want the item in the first place, but as I said, just my 
opinion.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:27 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Walmart Black Friday deal

Well, here I am at this late date replying to my own message again, and I'm 
replying on the web since I no longer have the original email I sent, so who 
knows how it will turn out. But I learned some things that I didn't realize 
along the way, so I figured I would just, hopefully, finally complete this 
journey with the phones from Walmart and pass along my experience as well.

Anyway, as I mentioned below in an earlier message, one of the iPhones I 
purchased on the installment agreement was a 14 Plus. And the more I thought 
about it over the few months while I was paying on the installment agreement, I 
decided that since I had already gotten what I really wanted, meaning the $500 
Walmart E-gift card, that I would just give the 14 Plus to my sister and think 
about getting myself another smaller iPhone. Thus, since I had kept the 
installment agreement more than twice as long as the two months I was required 
to keep it, and since the AT phone unlock policy said in part: "Paid off 
early: The wireless number assigned to the device must be active for at least 
60 days," I thought I could just simply pay off the installment agreement, wait 
for that payment to post, and then request that AT unlock the phone.

Well, was I ever wrong! And to think I had already given my sister the phone! 
For, when I went to the AT unlock portal and gave the phone IMEI and the rest 
of my information, I was told that they couldn't unlock the phone, saying 
something like they didn't recognize the IMEI as being on their network. And 
seeing as the 14 Plus was still in its unsealed box when I gave it to my 
sister, I guess that makes sense, even if I did kind of assume that the IMEI 
would've already been associated with AT because of the installment agreement 
for that 14 Plus that I had with them.

Now I didn't know what to do as I certainly didn't want to ask my sister for 
the phone back and tell her that I would be happy to give it back to her to use 
on Verizon after I had activated it and used it myself on AT for a couple of 
months. So I finally decided to look around on the web and see what I could 
find about getting the phone unlocked either by AT or a third party. And 
while I was doing that, I thought to use one or two of the IMEI check sites to 
see if they would confirm for me that the phone was indeed locked to AT

When I ran a check on the IMEI, it told me, among other things: "Carrier: US 
Reseller Flex Policy
Next Tether Policy: 4000."
And when I researched that further, it sure looked like to me that it was 
saying that the phone was shipped to me from Walmart as unloc

RE: Walmart Black Friday deal

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You sure go through a lot of trouble for a $500 Walmart gift card; in my 
opinion it's never wortthwhile buying something to get something else if you 
don't really need or want the item in the first place, but as I said, just my 
opinion.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:27 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Walmart Black Friday deal

Well, here I am at this late date replying to my own message again, and I'm 
replying on the web since I no longer have the original email I sent, so who 
knows how it will turn out. But I learned some things that I didn't realize 
along the way, so I figured I would just, hopefully, finally complete this 
journey with the phones from Walmart and pass along my experience as well.

Anyway, as I mentioned below in an earlier message, one of the iPhones I 
purchased on the installment agreement was a 14 Plus. And the more I thought 
about it over the few months while I was paying on the installment agreement, I 
decided that since I had already gotten what I really wanted, meaning the $500 
Walmart E-gift card, that I would just give the 14 Plus to my sister and think 
about getting myself another smaller iPhone. Thus, since I had kept the 
installment agreement more than twice as long as the two months I was required 
to keep it, and since the AT phone unlock policy said in part: "Paid off 
early: The wireless number assigned to the device must be active for at least 
60 days," I thought I could just simply pay off the installment agreement, wait 
for that payment to post, and then request that AT unlock the phone.

Well, was I ever wrong! And to think I had already given my sister the phone! 
For, when I went to the AT unlock portal and gave the phone IMEI and the rest 
of my information, I was told that they couldn't unlock the phone, saying 
something like they didn't recognize the IMEI as being on their network. And 
seeing as the 14 Plus was still in its unsealed box when I gave it to my 
sister, I guess that makes sense, even if I did kind of assume that the IMEI 
would've already been associated with AT because of the installment agreement 
for that 14 Plus that I had with them.

Now I didn't know what to do as I certainly didn't want to ask my sister for 
the phone back and tell her that I would be happy to give it back to her to use 
on Verizon after I had activated it and used it myself on AT for a couple of 
months. So I finally decided to look around on the web and see what I could 
find about getting the phone unlocked either by AT or a third party. And 
while I was doing that, I thought to use one or two of the IMEI check sites to 
see if they would confirm for me that the phone was indeed locked to AT

When I ran a check on the IMEI, it told me, among other things: "Carrier: US 
Reseller Flex Policy
Next Tether Policy: 4000."
And when I researched that further, it sure looked like to me that it was 
saying that the phone was shipped to me from Walmart as unlocked, but it was 
set such that it would lock to the first carrier in which a SIM card was put. 
Although I didn't call AT since I was looking to take the phone away from 
them, I did call both Walmart and Apple and asked if I gave them the IMEI, 
could they confirm that the phone was indeed under this US Reseller Flex 
Policy, but they each said they could not and I didn't press the issue.

I next, although I wasn't quite ready to do so yet but wanted to try and help 
my sister, got out my 15 Pro and set it up, although I didn't yet opt to 
transfer my data plan from my 13 Mini to that phone. I then told my sister I 
set up my phone without a problem and didn't have to change my data plan or 
anything, so she then set up the 14 Plus, also electing not to set up a data 
plan on it. It seemed kind of strange to me, though, as when I then checked the 
IMEI of our respective phones that it showed they were activated and even gave 
the start and end dates for the limited Apple warranty, even though neither of 
us at that time had actually activated the phone with a carrier.

Finally, though, since my data is only through my iPhones and I couldn't update 
my 15 Pro via Personal Hotspot, I had to transfer my physical SIM from my 13 
Mini to an E-SIM on my 15 Pro, which was really easy and only took a couple of 
minutes, and then I could update the 15 Pro to the latest iOS version via the 
cellular data plan, although I then transferred my E-SIM back to the 13 Mini as 
I'm not quite ready to make the switch to the 15 Pro quite yet. And then for 
the much bigger test, I told my sister how easy it was for me to transfer my 
data plan to the new phone and suggested she might want to try that as well, 
just to make sure I gave her a phone that she could use in case something 
happened to her 13 Mini. And, sure enough, she finally did transfer her SIM to 
the 14 Plus without a problem and it activated on Verizon, even though I had 
purchased the phone as an upgrade 

RE: Screen recognition

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I just tried the new Sonos app with screen recognition and for me I found it 
doesn't read half of the stuff that I get when I turn it off. For example, when 
I touch near the bottom where it showed me the currently playing room and what 
is/was playing there, without screen recognition I get from top to bottom 
(swiping right as I go):

Playing on Bedroom (that was the last place/speaker I played last night)
An Spailpin Fanach, Connie Dover
Output selector button
Play track position at 68% button
Mute bedroom off button
Bedroom volume 30%, adjustable

If I turn screen recognition on, I get this:
Bedroom, An Spailpin Fanach,
Button
Play button
Next swipe I just hear a Voiceover click, but nothing is spoken
Adjustable
30

That's it, no output selector unless that unamed button is it, no indication of 
track position and the mute button is not even mentioned, as well as the 
"Bedroom volume, 30%, adjustable" slider which actually was just fixed in 
yesterday's update, is broken up in that "adjustable 30"
Sonos has certainly made a big mess of this update which is supposed to be so 
much better and which according to a Sonos group I joined on Facebook is hated 
universally by just about everybody, but they have certainly been fixing a lot 
of things, many features which were initially missing have been added back and 
Voiceover accessibility is greatly improved although I still think it's not as 
good as it was and the simple fact is that the app itself in my opinion really 
is a step back. Of course many people complained about the old app as well so 
in some ways these companies sometimes thik they should do something and in the 
end it's the wrong thing. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out 
and where this app is a year from now, but that is a different topic.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition

How did screen recognition work with your pool control app? If not at all, then 
the app is completely inaccessible.
The Sonos app, if you have any sonos speakers, works better with screen 
recognition.
I have not found a lot of other apps where it helped. My Arboleaf app for my 
scale reads better with it on, but that is about it.
Someone said the weather channel worked better with it.


Richard, USA
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On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:21 PM, paekstr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi , yes , I understood that.  I was just surprised that with screen 
recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what 
someone else was reporting.

Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well?  In 
the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, 
the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover.  It doesn’t announce the word 
“button” or anything.

Thanks,
Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see 
what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App 
though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it 
might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that 
up if I were you! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition

I am still trying to understand how this works.  It was mentioned in another 
thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, 
specifically, just to see how it acted.  Someone else said they did this and 
got nonsense from the app.  I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it 
said screen recognition on, but acted normally.  I understand that this should 
not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to 
understand what is going on.

I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic 
app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have 
logged in.  Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to 
determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we 
can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s 

RE: Question about Voiceover?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Make sure as well that audio ducking is on, this lowers the volume of other 
audio when Voiceover is speaking.

-Original Message-
From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover?

Yes I have a difficult time hearing voice over. The voice or music on the other 
end of the line is much louder, and when I turn the volume up to hear voice 
over, the volume on the other end becomes louder drowning out voice over. I 
haven't figured out how to fix this.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you have a hard time hearing Voiceover, when on a phone 
> call, say at the pharmacy, when they are giving information and you 
> want to punch in the number for something or doctor clinic, when you 
> want to punch the number for the nurse's extension? I have a real hard 
> time, and I've tried with Audio Ducking off and with it on, no help.
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RE: Recommended smart plugs

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would recommend the TP Link, make sure you get the ones which have Matter 
support. Nobody should buy any smart home device these days unless it has 
Matter support. I for one refuse to do so and if I want something in particular 
which does not have it, I probably would rather wait until that happens. I also 
usually try to nake sure that all 3 voice platforms are s upport, Alexa, Google 
and Apple Homekit/Siri.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Duncan
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 10:16 AM
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Subject: Recommended smart plugs

Hello, what are some of your favorite smart plugs? Whether it works well with 
iOS, or smart speakers.

Thank you,
Traci
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RE: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think these captions you enter are read automatically by Voiceover.

From: VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 11:38 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about it, 
summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos.  Until 
now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as I take more 
and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that photo 
when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view?  If so, 
please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think it 
will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because (1) it 
has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable handrails, and (3) 
it comes completely already assembled, out of the box.  But I want to wait a 
few days, just to put it through it paces before posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.
In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.
If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.
I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.
It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.
This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

HTH,


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

I keep hearing that 

RE: Volume Buttons And Ring Mode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Correct, it used to say Mute on and Mute off, now it says "Ring Mode" when mute 
is off and "Silent Mode" when mute is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Volume Buttons And Ring Mode

I have the 13 Pro and with iOS 17 dot something it changed what is spoken when 
you mute or unmute the phone with the switch.
Since the 15 replaced the switch with a button, are you sure you are not 
pressing the top most button?
Or, is nothing playing when you press a volume control so it is telling you the 
current state?
Just guessing since I have not touched the 15.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Jun 15, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Edward Przybylek  wrote:

Hi all,

Over the last few days, my iPhone 15 Pro running the latest release of iOS has 
begun saying “ring mode” when I press either one of the volume buttons.  I have 
no idea what ccaused this problem nor do I know how to correct it.  As always, 
any help with this issue is greatly appreciated.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek

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RE: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is another way of saying it and I completely agree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data

I just read through the page with the new policy.
I’m not a lawyer, but I am not sure it is that different than before, they are 
just being forced to be more up front with the fact that if you are using a 
third party service through or with your Sonos, they may have to share your 
information in order to make that happen.  If I authorize my Amazon Music 
account on Sonos, I would have expected some information sharing between Sonos 
and Amazon.
The same with Apple Music, TuneIn etc.

I for one, will not be losing any sleep over this.  That is until something 
goes wrong, 

I have too much money invested in their system to just drop them and spend a 
bunch more money for another system, which likely won’t have any better 
security.  Yes, we could have the entire house wired but we looked into that 
before deciding on Sonos.  It would cost as much or more than what we’ve have 
spent on Sonos products.
At this point, I can deal with the app as of the June 4th update; when I 
accidentally updated it.  I believe more updates are coming later this month 
that may improve the VoiceOver access even more.


Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone via mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data


Make of this what you will, but at the very least I agree with the article 
author who says that Sonos needs to clarify this change in their policy. If 
they really are going to sell your data, you need to know about it and make a 
decision about whether you want to keep using the product of a company which 
first did a really bad redesign and destroyed Accessibility, second maybe going 
to sell your data to whoever. Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now 
sells your data
9to5Mac  /  Ryan Christoffel

[https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/05/sonos-app.jpg?quality=82=all=1600]

Sonos is probably wishing its only controversy was an app 
redesign. Today the company 
is receiving a lot of heat for a revision to its privacy policy that introduced 
a major policy reversal with the removal of a single line.

New policy quietly introduces major change

In his latest YouTube video, 
Louis Rossmann brings attention to the recently revised Sonos privacy policy, 
highlighting a disturbing omission compared to the previous policy.

The previous privacy policy contained the important line, “Sonos does not and 
will not sell personal information about our customers.”

Here is the former privacy 
policy:

Sonos does not and will not sell personal information about our customers. 
However, certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement

And now, the updated 
policy:

Certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement

9to5Mac’s Take

Sonos has yet to comment on the policy change, but its users deserve an answer 
ASAP. If the company is, indeed, now selling its users’ personal information, 
that decision should be detailed with extreme clarity so customers can decide 
for themselves whether to continue using Sonos products.


Original Article: 

RE: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They certainly made a mess of accessibility and the new app in general, but the 
update on May 21 which was 2 weeks after the new app was released already made 
a big difference and further updates since then have further improved 
accessibility. Why they couldn't wait 2 weeks to make these changes first or 
maybe wait 4 weeks since alarms and sleep timers were only added back recently 
is beyond me, but I assume they had the launch of the Sonos Ace headset all 
scheduled and planned and the new app was required for that. I am not totally 
defending them, but given their track record of excellent accessibility 
support, let's cut them a little bit of slack, for me 4 or 6 weeks is not such 
a long time and so far they have kept their promises regarding app improvements 
and apparently by the end of June everything should be equivalent to before 
with respect to Voiceover accessibility.
As far as this privacy thing is concerned, here is one guy who apparently has 
the time to pick these terms and conditions apart, I bet you that 99% of the 
people don't even read them in detail and I doubt that many existing Sonos 
customers will immediately divest themselves of all Sonos product because that 
line was taken out; I don't even want to know what you agree to when you accept 
these agreements from all the companies associated or owned by Alphabet 
(Google) or Meta (Facebook). And how many people use Tiktok and don't even ever 
think of what the Chinese government does with all that information.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now sells your data


Make of this what you will, but at the very least I agree with the article 
author who says that Sonos needs to clarify this change in their policy. If 
they really are going to sell your data, you need to know about it and make a 
decision about whether you want to keep using the product of a company which 
first did a really bad redesign and destroyed Accessibility, second maybe going 
to sell your data to whoever. Sonos’ new privacy policy implies the company now 
sells your data
9to5Mac  /  Ryan Christoffel

[https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/05/sonos-app.jpg?quality=82=all=1600]

Sonos is probably wishing its only controversy was an app 
redesign. Today the company 
is receiving a lot of heat for a revision to its privacy policy that introduced 
a major policy reversal with the removal of a single line.

New policy quietly introduces major change

In his latest YouTube video, 
Louis Rossmann brings attention to the recently revised Sonos privacy policy, 
highlighting a disturbing omission compared to the previous policy.

The previous privacy policy contained the important line, “Sonos does not and 
will not sell personal information about our customers.”

Here is the former privacy 
policy:

Sonos does not and will not sell personal information about our customers. 
However, certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement

And now, the updated 
policy:

Certain data practices described throughout this Privacy Statement may 
constitute a “sale” or “sharing” of data under California and/or other US state 
laws. See the below CA Addendum for more information applicable to CA 
residents. We want you to understand that information about our customers is an 
important part of our business. We only disclose your data as described in this 
Statement

9to5Mac’s Take

Sonos has yet to comment on the policy change, but its users deserve an answer 
ASAP. If the company is, indeed, now selling its users’ personal information, 
that decision should be detailed with extreme clarity so customers can decide 
for themselves whether to continue using Sonos products.


Original Article: 
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/14/sonos-new-privacy-policy-implies-the-company-now-sells-your-data/

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RE: Dropbox problem between iPhone and computer.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am also not sure what might be the problem, but I find files show up quite 
fast. I often save screenshots of bank transactions on my iPhone and I then 
share the file via Dropbox so I can save it on my computer and I would say as 
soon as I tap the upload button on my iPhone, it takes at most 10 seconds 
before I hear Jaws give me the notification from Dropbox that the file was 
added.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dropbox problem between iPhone and computer.

I do not have a solution, but I've noticed that it can take a long time for 
files to show up.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Jun 13, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Flor Lynch 
mailto:florl...@iol.ie>> wrote:
Hello,


I have the iOS (current up-to-date published version) of Dropbox, and the 
Dropbox Desktop app for Windows.

Sometimes, when I wish to share a file with others, and drop my file into their 
folder shared with me,  using my Desktop's Dropbox, it's not shared or being 
seen by those others with whom the folders are shared. (I can ascertain that 
this will be the case and is, if, as sometimes happens, the files aren't being 
seen by me on my iPhone either, in the folders.)

The current solution I've found to this is to connect my iPhone to my PC, and 
with a bit of navigating and what-not, getting both my Dropboxes to see each 
other on-line.


Has anyone else experienced this anomaly, and have you solved it without 
recourse to uninstalling either the iOS version or the Windows Desktop version 
of Dropbox?


I have found Dropbox to be quite opaque, when trying to ferret out issues.


Help appreciated.

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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think it's this easy especially with phones, but even with computers a 
chip/CPU change typically also requires a motherboard change especially with 
Intel. Anyways, I doubt we'll see an iPhone with an upgradeable CPU any time 
soon. I also don't think this I san issue, rightnow these new AI features 
require a modern chip, but I am pretty sure that going forward you'll be fine 
with say an A17 or A18 chip (which will be this year's version) for years to 
come.

-Original Message-
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2024 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

hi,
The speed of the advancement of AI is so dramatic that I think it's a bit hard 
to predict how long the phones are going to last, obviously, they can't keep on 
making new phones to suit the new AI, at some point we should be offered the 
possibility of having the chips changed and not the phone, what do people think?
Sandy NZ 
Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 13 Jun 2024, at 00:43, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I think as iPhone users we really shouldn't complain, apple delivers updates 
> to phones usually about 5 years back, but if they introduce something like 
> Apple Intelligence which requires such massive amounts of computing power and 
> probavbly also RAM, then to me that has nothing to do with planned 
> obsolescence and it's no different than if a particular new feature requires 
> specific hardware such as when Touch Id or Face Id was introduced or when you 
> have features like measuring or determining how far you are from something 
> which requires a LiDAR sensor. We should be glad that Apple at least still 
> has some kind of standard with respect to privacy and they do as much as 
> possible on device instead of just sending it up to the cloud where it is 
> processed on some server.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will 
> prove to be?
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is what " planned obsolescence" means.  Companies plan on a piece of 
>> equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put 
>> up with the reduced effectiveness...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
>> 
>> It's a way to sell more phones too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
>> Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.
>> 
>> As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
>> previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 
>> pro and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 
>> 15 plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and 
>> pro max got the new A17.
>> 
>> So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
>> pro max the A18…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  
>> 
>> Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> 
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think as iPhone users we really shouldn't complain, apple delivers updates to 
phones usually about 5 years back, but if they introduce something like Apple 
Intelligence which requires such massive amounts of computing power and 
probavbly also RAM, then to me that has nothing to do with planned obsolescence 
and it's no different than if a particular new feature requires specific 
hardware such as when Touch Id or Face Id was introduced or when you have 
features like measuring or determining how far you are from something which 
requires a LiDAR sensor. We should be glad that Apple at least still has some 
kind of standard with respect to privacy and they do as much as possible on 
device instead of just sending it up to the cloud where it is processed on some 
server.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will 
prove to be? 
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That is what " planned obsolescence" means.  Companies plan on a piece of 
> equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put 
> up with the reduced effectiveness...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> It's a way to sell more phones too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple 
> Intelligence.  I believe yours has the A16 chip.
> 
> As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the 
> previous phone’s chip.  So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 
> pro and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and 
> 15 plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and 
> pro max got the new A17.
> 
> So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and 
> pro max the A18…
> 
> 
> 
> This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence.  
> 
> Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> 
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> 
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> 
> 
> Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple 
> intelligence? From Mich.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement
> 
> 
> 
> Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
> newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
> probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.
> 
> Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
> iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
> the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
> before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
> iPhone 13 series phones, the A15.

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As somebody else said, if you just got it as in less than 2 weeks or maybe 30 
days, depending on where you bought it, you might be able to return it and 
upgrade to a 15 Pro, then you'd be set with respect to Apple Intelligence.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.
Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.
I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long 
mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever t

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, iPhone 15 Pro is the minimum.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple intelligence? 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.
Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.
I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long 
mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
T

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

iPhones don't have "m" chips, that is only iPads and Mac computers. But as far 
as it goes, the A17 Bionic from last year's iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max 
appears to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence to be fully 
functional.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I kind of figured that, but was hoping.  Is the 15 the first model to use the M 
chips?  I think it is.
I’m too lazy to go searching for that info right now.
If in the fall when the 16 comes out, if my carrier offers a great trade-in 
deal on my 13 pro, I might update to the 15 pro, or even the 16 if the offer is 
good enough.  I won’t be holding my breath though, .



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long 
mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com<mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or 
newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as 
probably all this year's iPhone 16 models.
Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular 
iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones 
the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year 
before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the 
iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received 
the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and 
15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 Bionic 
from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro and Pro Max 
received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is that chip which 
seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. This year the 
regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last year and I 
assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum requirements for Apple 
Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is what they will be called 
will get the latest A18 chip.
I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence 
and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on Pro 
phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My 2-year 
contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may just have 
to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it can do and 
all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I would have 
probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all sounds just too 
cool and useful to pass it up.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is 
gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be 
getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge 
since I have an iPhone 14.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:

I agree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com<mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple

RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I have a 
feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of course from 
the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments where as soon 
as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what it will have a 
year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which typically happen 
in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and again in early March. 
And then of course it is my understanding that the true Apple Intelligence will 
require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for many of us it may be years 
before we experience it all and by then of course even more powerful hardware 
and advances in AI will even add more functionality. One thing I am sure of is 
that in the next years we'll see a lot of cool stuff around all the AI 
development and we'll benefit greatly from it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I got 
one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.”
Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X years 
later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com<mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.


On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

OK, guess I have to watch this again tonight. I stopped when they started 
talking about Mac OS, anyways, I wouldn't have had enough time to listen to the 
entire thing now anyways. I guess not all is lost then!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tai 
Tomasi
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They just 
separated it.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com<mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.


On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
into this because maybe it's not yet ready to be presented and we'll hear all 
about it when the new iPhones are released in September, but I thought it was a 
bit of a let down anyways.

Best regards,
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Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement

[Sieghard Weitzel]

After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to announce how 
Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was disappointing to 
listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not hear the word Siri 
or AI even once. Of course this could still mean that Apple decided to not go 
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bit of a let down anyways.

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RE: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is my understanding that it is in the US already. I believe I even saw 
download links for the Apple Store and Google Play Store on their website, did 
you even check their website?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 10:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

Do you have any idea when this app might be available in the US App Store?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Maps "across the United States" doesn't include chicago!  We're still 
> waiting.
> At 03:13 PM 6/9/2024, you wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't recall coming across posts about this app. I had signed up for beta 
>> testing it here in Canada back in February. At the time the only 
>> functionality available was the pedesstrian signal information. Of course 
>> this may be less important at intersections which have an audible signal 
>> which many here in Canbada have, but even here the app can still be 
>> interesting especially if it's a big intersection since the app can help you 
>> to go straight. In any case, I tried it only here in my small town where all 
>> lights have audible signals and it certainly worked well.
>> 
>> Now the app will be officially launched in Canada on July 1 and will 
>> hopefully soon include maps and turn-by-turn directions which for now is 
>> only available in the United States.
>> 
>> Unlike with main stream apps like Apple Maps or google Maps, it says these 
>> are instructions specifically for the pedestrian and also include 
>> information about crosswalks and so on. I always liked how in the old 
>> Sendero apps/devices you would get information like whether an intersection 
>> was a 4-way or 3-way intersection and while I didn't specifically read this, 
>> hopefully this app will also include this or it can be suested as an 
>> improvement. Maybe it will give Good Maps Outdoor a run for it's money 
>> although since both apps are free I guess that isn't quite the right term to 
>> use. I am definitely curious about the AI features other than the pedestrian 
>> crossing. Below is an email I received from them a few days ao:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> We have two incredible announcements to make today. First of all, Oko has 
>> won the prestigious 2024 Apple Design Awards! This award celebrates our 
>> commitment to inclusivity and our mission to empower individuals with 
>> disabilities. We couldn’t be more proud to be recognized for making a 
>> difference.
>> 
>> Our mission at Oko is to reimagine how 1.4 billion people with mobility 
>> disabilities navigate and explore places. Secondly, we are super proud to 
>> say that
>> 
>> we’ve taken a new step in that mission. We have launched Maps into Oko 
>> across the United Sates, more regions coming soon. We can not wait to get 
>> your feedback
>> 
>> on our new Oko version. Visit our website to get familiar with the new 
>> updates coming to Oko and watch the explainer video below.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visit
>>  website
>> 
>> Oko explainer video
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Below you can get familiar with the most important features and screens in 
>> Oko.
>> 
>> Homescreen
>> 
>> On Oko's main screen, you'll find a map with your location, a search bar to 
>> enter your destination, an AI button to scan your environment.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AI Button screen
>> 
>> When clicking on the AI button on the homescreen it will open up the camera 
>> screen and starts running our AI. The camera screen displays on top what the 
>> AI is looking for, in the example below it is looking for a pedestrian 
>> signal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Navigation using AI screen
>> 
>> When in navigation mode you'll get turn-by-turn instructions, as well as 
>> intersection announcements like the following example: signalized 
>> intersection ahead, cross Broadway to continue. If you're crossing a 
>> signalized intersection you can simply raise your phone to activate the 
>> camera to look for pedestrian signals. Instructions about your route are 
>> visualized at the top of the screen. ETA updates and the possibility to end 
>> your route can be done at the bottom of the screen.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy exploring and we would love to hear from your feedback by sending a 
>> message to feedb...@ayes.ai
>> 
>> Join the oko community and find us on:
>> 
>> Follow
>>  us on TikTok
>> 
>> 

RE: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have no insights regarding when Oko will be available in which country. This 
is why I included the entire email they sent including links to send them an 
email, visit their website and contact them on their various social media 
platforms. Just ask them directly.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gradimir 
Kragic
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: feedb...@ayes.ai
Subject: RE: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI


Hi,

This app is not available in all regions and countries. Why? Can you give a 
more specific answer when it will be available in the apple store for Serbia?

Thank you

Gradimir

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

Hi,

I don't recall coming across posts about this app. I had signed up for beta 
testing it here in Canada back in February. At the time the only functionality 
available was the pedesstrian signal information. Of course this may be less 
important at intersections which have an audible signal which many here in 
Canbada have, but even here the app can still be interesting especially if it's 
a big intersection since the app can help you to go straight. In any case, I 
tried it only here in my small town where all lights have audible signals and 
it certainly worked well.
Now the app will be officially launched in Canada on July 1 and will hopefully 
soon include maps and turn-by-turn directions which for now is only available 
in the United States.
Unlike with main stream apps like Apple Maps or google Maps, it says these are 
instructions specifically for the pedestrian and also include information about 
crosswalks and so on. I always liked how in the old Sendero apps/devices you 
would get information like whether an intersection was a 4-way or 3-way 
intersection and while I didn't specifically read this, hopefully this app will 
also include this or it can be suested as an improvement. Maybe it will give 
Good Maps Outdoor a run for it's money although since both apps are free I 
guess that isn't quite the right term to use. I am definitely curious about the 
AI features other than the pedestrian crossing. Below is an email I received 
from them a few days ao:

Hi there,
We have two incredible announcements to make today. First of all, Oko has won 
the prestigious 2024 Apple Design Awards!  This award celebrates our 
commitment to inclusivity and our mission to empower individuals with 
disabilities. We couldn’t be more proud to be recognized for making a 
difference.
Our mission at Oko is to reimagine how 1.4 billion people with mobility 
disabilities navigate and explore places. Secondly, we are super proud to say 
that we’ve taken a new step in that mission. We have launched Maps into Oko 
across the United Sates, more regions coming soon. We can not wait to get your 
feedback on our new Oko version. Visit our website to get familiar with the new 
updates coming to Oko and watch the explainer video below.

https://www.ayes.ai/?utm_campaign=7b482b46-6ff1-486a-940b-1de5bbd228ae_source=so_medium=mail=4269ce05-52fa-4ce6-9dc3-3b19f7b2cbfa
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H_710vt0-No

Below you can get familiar with the most important features and screens in Oko.
Homescreen
On Oko's main screen, you'll find a map with your location, a search bar to 
enter your destination, an AI button to scan your environment.  

AI Button screen
When clicking on the AI button on the homescreen it will open up the camera 
screen and starts running our AI. The camera screen displays on top what the AI 
is looking for, in the example below it is looking for a pedestrian signal.  

Navigation using AI screen
When in navigation mode you'll get turn-by-turn instructions, as well as 
intersection announcements like the following example: signalized intersection 
ahead, cross Broadway to continue. If you're crossing a signalized intersection 
you can simply raise your phone to activate the camera to look for pedestrian 
signals. Instructions about your route are visualized at the top of the screen. 
ETA updates and the possibility to end your route can be done at the bottom of 
the screen.  

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RE: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Interesting, I thought if they had coverage for the United States that it would 
include everything or at least all the major cities.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 1:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

Maps "across the United States" doesn't include chicago!  We're still waiting.
At 03:13 PM 6/9/2024, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>
>
>I don't recall coming across posts about this app. I had signed up for 
>beta testing it here in Canada back in February. At the time the only 
>functionality available was the pedesstrian signal information. Of 
>course this may be less important at intersections which have an 
>audible signal which many here in Canbada have, but even here the app 
>can still be interesting especially if it's a big intersection since 
>the app can help you to go straight. In any case, I tried it only here 
>in my small town where all lights have audible signals and it certainly 
>worked well.
>
>Now the app will be officially launched in Canada on July 1 and will 
>hopefully soon include maps and turn-by-turn directions which for now 
>is only available in the United States.
>
>Unlike with main stream apps like Apple Maps or google Maps, it says 
>these are instructions specifically for the pedestrian and also include 
>information about crosswalks and so on. I always liked how in the old 
>Sendero apps/devices you would get information like whether an 
>intersection was a 4-way or 3-way intersection and while I didn't 
>specifically read this, hopefully this app will also include this or it 
>can be suested as an improvement. Maybe it will give Good Maps Outdoor 
>a run for it's money although since both apps are free I guess that 
>isn't quite the right term to use. I am definitely curious about the AI 
>features other than the pedestrian crossing. Below is an email I 
>received from them a few days ao:
>
>
>
>Hi there,
>
>We have two incredible announcements to make today. First of all, Oko 
>has won the prestigious
>2024 Apple Design Awards! This award celebrates our commitment to 
>inclusivity and our mission to empower individuals with disabilities. 
>We couldn’t be more proud to be recognized for making a difference.
>
>Our mission at Oko is to reimagine how 1.4 billion people with mobility 
>disabilities navigate and explore places. Secondly, we are super proud 
>to say that
>
>we’ve taken a new step in that mission. We have launched Maps into 
>Oko across the United Sates, more regions coming soon. We can not wait 
>to get your feedback
>
>on our new Oko version. Visit our website to get familiar with the new 
>updates coming to Oko and watch the explainer video below.
>
>
>
>Visit
> 
>website
>
>Oko explainer video
>
>
>
>Below you can get familiar with the most 
>important features and screens in Oko.
>
>Homescreen
>
>On Oko's main screen, you'll find a map with 
>your location, a search bar to enter your 
>destination, an AI button to scan your environment.
>
>
>
>AI Button screen
>
>When clicking on the AI button on the homescreen 
>it will open up the camera screen and starts 
>running our AI. The camera screen displays on 
>top what the AI is looking for, in the example 
>below it is looking for a pedestrian signal.
>
>
>
>Navigation using AI screen
>
>When in navigation mode you'll get turn-by-turn 
>instructions, as well as intersection 
>announcements like the following example: 
>signalized intersection ahead, cross Broadway to 
>continue. If you're crossing a signalized 
>intersection you can simply raise your phone to 
>activate the camera to look for pedestrian 
>signals. Instructions about your route are 
>visualized at the top of the screen. ETA updates 
>and the possibility to end your route can be 
>done at the bottom of the screen.
>
>
>
>Enjoy exploring and we would love to hear from 
>your feedback by sending a message to feedb...@ayes.ai
>
>Join the oko community and find us on:
>
>Follow
> 
>us on TikTok
>
>Follow
> 
>us on Instagram
>

Oko | Navigate and explore places using AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

I don't recall coming across posts about this app. I had signed up for beta 
testing it here in Canada back in February. At the time the only functionality 
available was the pedesstrian signal information. Of course this may be less 
important at intersections which have an audible signal which many here in 
Canbada have, but even here the app can still be interesting especially if it's 
a big intersection since the app can help you to go straight. In any case, I 
tried it only here in my small town where all lights have audible signals and 
it certainly worked well.
Now the app will be officially launched in Canada on July 1 and will hopefully 
soon include maps and turn-by-turn directions which for now is only available 
in the United States.
Unlike with main stream apps like Apple Maps or google Maps, it says these are 
instructions specifically for the pedestrian and also include information about 
crosswalks and so on. I always liked how in the old Sendero apps/devices you 
would get information like whether an intersection was a 4-way or 3-way 
intersection and while I didn't specifically read this, hopefully this app will 
also include this or it can be suested as an improvement. Maybe it will give 
Good Maps Outdoor a run for it's money although since both apps are free I 
guess that isn't quite the right term to use. I am definitely curious about the 
AI features other than the pedestrian crossing. Below is an email I received 
from them a few days ao:

Hi there,
We have two incredible announcements to make today. First of all, Oko has won 
the prestigious 2024 Apple Design Awards!  This award celebrates our 
commitment to inclusivity and our mission to empower individuals with 
disabilities. We couldn’t be more proud to be recognized for making a 
difference.
Our mission at Oko is to reimagine how 1.4 billion people with mobility 
disabilities navigate and explore places. Secondly, we are super proud to say 
that
we’ve taken a new step in that mission. We have launched Maps into Oko across 
the United Sates, more regions coming soon. We can not wait to get your feedback
on our new Oko version. Visit our website to get familiar with the new updates 
coming to Oko and watch the explainer video below.

Visit 
website
Oko explainer video

Below you can get familiar with the most important features and screens in Oko.
Homescreen
On Oko's main screen, you'll find a map with your location, a search bar to 
enter your destination, an AI button to scan your environment.

AI Button screen
When clicking on the AI button on the homescreen it will open up the camera 
screen and starts running our AI. The camera screen displays on top what the AI 
is looking for, in the example below it is looking for a pedestrian signal.

Navigation using AI screen
When in navigation mode you'll get turn-by-turn instructions, as well as 
intersection announcements like the following example: signalized intersection 
ahead, cross Broadway to continue. If you're crossing a signalized intersection 
you can simply raise your phone to activate the camera to look for pedestrian 
signals. Instructions about your route are visualized at the top of the screen. 
ETA updates and the possibility to end your route can be done at the bottom of 
the screen.

Enjoy exploring and we would love to hear from your feedback by sending a 
message to feedb...@ayes.ai
Join the oko community and find us on:
Follow us on 
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RE: Cannot sign into I cloud with Chrome.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Your iCloud account is home to your photos, reminders, contacts and so on and 
all of this content is accessed by your iPhone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot sign into I cloud with Chrome.

I now have access to my I cloud account using Windows and Chrome. It took about 
2 hours. Many fustrations and the need to send of verification codes to verify 
the eMail address, alternate phone number and the Iphone (for texting).

When I started, using Windows and Chrome, The verification screen was 
presented. There were the 6 edit fields, 1 for each digit of the verification 
number. After the 6th digit was pressed, the focus jumped to the 1st digit 
field and all fields were blank. With a few attempts, it was always announced 
as an incorrect verification number.

I suspected the password and it’s relation to the eMail address. So I tried to 
change the password.

first, using the Iphone setup. Double tapping my name and eventually getting to 
the screen to change the password. Each password used was announced as weak. So 
I switched to the I cloud site.

The audio challenge was needed to change the password. The I cloud site passed 
control to the Iphone. which I had to tap “allow”. The remaining steps were 
done on the Iphone.

This 2nd attempt successfully changed the password.  The password I chose was 
the very same one I tried in my first attempt going through the Iphone’s 
settings.

Is there a way to access the I cloud account with the Iphone?
I could only find I cloud in the Iphone’s settings.

Thanks for your suggestions, they spurred me on to keep trying.

Peter T.

On 2024-06-05 3:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just tried it on my Windows 11 computer with both Chrome and Edge and had no 
issues. After I entered my Apple Id and password, Jaws focus was automatically 
in the first field of the 6 numbers, the message with the code popped up on my 
phone and I entered it without difficulties. The important thing to note is 
that as soon as you enter the first number, focus will jump to the next field 
and if you end up entering the number and pressing tab, you are skipping fields 
and it will not work. I usually review the number on my iPhone and memorize it, 
then I turn on NumLock on my computer and use the numeric pad to enter the six 
numbers. As I said, after each number you enter focus goes to the next box and 
after you enter the last number and as long as you entered them correctly, you 
will be logged in and in my case I was asked if I wanted to trust this browser 
which if I said Yes, I would not be prompted for 2-factor authentication next 
time I log in with that computer and browser.
I also deliberately entered the number incorrectly to see what happens and each 
time Jaws announced it was incorrect and focus again automatically jumped to 
the first number field. I did this twice with the same result and then I 
entered it correctly and I was logged into the iCloud website. I assume there 
is a limited number of attempts you are allowed for incorrect entries before it 
locks you out and you then may have to do something more elaborate to 
authenticate yourself.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 6:27 PM
To: Viphone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Cannot sign into I cloud with Chrome.

That 6 digit  code entry can be annoying. Generally, once you do it though you 
won’t need to repeat the process.
As you indicated there are 6 fields. I would make sure you are on the first 
one, and then just behave as though it is one contiguous text field. It might 
be helpful to turn off the virtual cursor while entering the number, but I 
don’t believe that is necessary. (I haven’t done this process since 2017). Once 
all 6 numbers are entered then it automatically submits the numbers for 
validation, so don’t look for a submit button or press the enter key.


On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:10 PM, Peter Tesar 
mailto:pte...@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Hello,

I’m trying to access my I cloud accound using Windows 11 and Chrome.
On my iPhone 14, I have a passcode. I thought that it would get me into my I 
cloud account from any device.

Using the web site icloud.com<http://icloud.com>, I enter my eMail and password 
and a 6 digit access code is sent to my phone.

The problem is trying to enter the number into the 6 edit fields provided. When 
pressing each key, the number is announced. The cursor jumps to the next digit 
field until I get to the last field.
Nothing happens. On reviewing the fields, they are empty. I keep hearing 
“invalid”.
I know that my eMail address and password are correct since I’m sent the access 
code.

I used Jaws and NVDA and both Chrome and Firefox.

When signing in, choosing the Forgot password

RE: Cannot sign into I cloud with Chrome.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just tried it on my Windows 11 computer with both Chrome and Edge and had no 
issues. After I entered my Apple Id and password, Jaws focus was automatically 
in the first field of the 6 numbers, the message with the code popped up on my 
phone and I entered it without difficulties. The important thing to note is 
that as soon as you enter the first number, focus will jump to the next field 
and if you end up entering the number and pressing tab, you are skipping fields 
and it will not work. I usually review the number on my iPhone and memorize it, 
then I turn on NumLock on my computer and use the numeric pad to enter the six 
numbers. As I said, after each number you enter focus goes to the next box and 
after you enter the last number and as long as you entered them correctly, you 
will be logged in and in my case I was asked if I wanted to trust this browser 
which if I said Yes, I would not be prompted for 2-factor authentication next 
time I log in with that computer and browser.
I also deliberately entered the number incorrectly to see what happens and each 
time Jaws announced it was incorrect and focus again automatically jumped to 
the first number field. I did this twice with the same result and then I 
entered it correctly and I was logged into the iCloud website. I assume there 
is a limited number of attempts you are allowed for incorrect entries before it 
locks you out and you then may have to do something more elaborate to 
authenticate yourself.

Best regards,
Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 6:27 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Cannot sign into I cloud with Chrome.

That 6 digit  code entry can be annoying. Generally, once you do it though you 
won’t need to repeat the process.
As you indicated there are 6 fields. I would make sure you are on the first 
one, and then just behave as though it is one contiguous text field. It might 
be helpful to turn off the virtual cursor while entering the number, but I 
don’t believe that is necessary. (I haven’t done this process since 2017). Once 
all 6 numbers are entered then it automatically submits the numbers for 
validation, so don’t look for a submit button or press the enter key.



On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:10 PM, Peter Tesar 
mailto:pte...@ca.inter.net>> wrote:

Hello,

I’m trying to access my I cloud accound using Windows 11 and Chrome.
On my iPhone 14, I have a passcode. I thought that it would get me into my I 
cloud account from any device.

Using the web site icloud.com, I enter my eMail and password 
and a 6 digit access code is sent to my phone.

The problem is trying to enter the number into the 6 edit fields provided. When 
pressing each key, the number is announced. The cursor jumps to the next digit 
field until I get to the last field.
Nothing happens. On reviewing the fields, they are empty. I keep hearing 
“invalid”.
I know that my eMail address and password are correct since I’m sent the access 
code.

I used Jaws and NVDA and both Chrome and Firefox.

When signing in, choosing the Forgot password link, requires the image test.
The audio challenge does not work for me.

Is it possible to use the passcode to access my I cloud account through Windows?

In the iPhone settings, I know where to change the passcode or turn it on or 
off.
The 2-factor authentication is on and I tried to turn it off but there is 
something about having a key. I'm confused.

Any suggestions?

Peter T.


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RE: loss of volume

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When you ask a question like this you should always include your iPhone model 
and even more importantly, the version of iOS you are using.
It's difficult to answer something like this to begin with, but even more so 
without knowing if you are using the latest version of iOS on a still supported 
phone or an older version of iOS. It can also have to do with certain apps and 
you should pay attention if you see a pattern, e.g. every time you use a 
certain app this happens.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: loss of volume

Any idea why occasionally the volume suddenly drops on my iPhone. Taking out my 
Airpods usually sorts it out but cant understand why it happens.
Alison

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RE: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But not everybody wants to pay $20 or whatever the monthly cost for that is.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?

Just sign up for Chat-GPT Plus and it’ll do it no problem. I do it all the time.

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Eiland 
Date: Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?
HI Keith,
This might help.

Here is a YouTube video tutorial for a Chrome Image to Text for ChatGPT 
extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zob0us4bPc8


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?

Hi,
I have a nine page PDF composed of both text and images. I would like to get an 
AI chat bot to describe this to me.

I cannot figure out how to get the complete PDF uploaded to a chatbot in order 
to do this. Is it possible, or just too long?

I would appreciate any guidance on the viability of this, and if possible, 
Specific guidance on how to achieve it.

Thanks in advance. Keith

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RE: Sonos App Update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sonos App Update

Hi,
I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.
Tom

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As promised, today's Sonos update brings significant Voiceover improvements

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi, as Sonos promised, an update of the new Sonos app which was released two 
weeks ago came out today. I decided to update and I am happy to say that while 
not perfect, the app is now definitely very usable with Voiceover. Exploring by 
touch again lets you find stuff and swiping is much more efficient. There are 
still places where a certain item has two or three different labels/icons you 
can click on with the same result, but while I haven't spend more than 10 or 15 
minutes with the app, I can now say it's not a complete disaster any more. 
There was, by the way, also an update of the firmware today which I assume has 
to do with the announcement of the new headset. One thing I have not yet 
figured out and it may simply not yet be possible is how to rearrange one's 
home screen. According to the app tour you can arrange what you want to see on 
yoru home screen and in which order, e.g. Recently Added, Albums, Artists etc. 
Sounds like this is a drag and drop sort of thing and I may have to ask one of 
my sighted employees to figure it out and then see if it can be done, but after 
going into "Edit", doing a double tap and hold does not seem to work. There is 
a remove button on the left of all the items which are showing, but not the 
typical reorder button one finds in other iOS apps.
Let's hope Sonos will keep their promise and continue with more Voiceover 
improvements to bring accessibility up to par with the old app by the end of 
June. If this wasn't such a busy time for me work wise I'd probably ask to be 
back in the beta program, but hopefully there are a few other blind users who 
do have time and can do this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Sonos headphones are here

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's definitely somewhat disappointing, but not being an audio engineer, I have 
no idea how easy or not it would be to put all of that hardware into a headset; 
Sonos took years to finally release a headset and I assume there is a reason 
why it doesn't have the ability to stream over Wi-Fi. For that matter, I don't 
think I have ever heard of a headset which can do this so it may simply not be 
possible to do this given the size of components and maybe the amount of 
battery power required. Look how heavy the small Roam from Sonos is and even 
the new Roam 2 which was also announced today still only have 10 hours of 
battery life. I now also understand the timing of their new app release, I 
wouldn't be surprised if the headset required whatever new functionality may be 
in this app. The app by the way also had an update today as promised and 
Voiceover improvements were mentioned and implemented; I'll post a separate 
message.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos headphones are here

What a lost opportunity from Sonos. They could have waited and implemented 
technology so that they can work with their ecosystem. to go.
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On May 21, 2024, at 10:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
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I always find it funny when companies and Sonos is included here, claim they 
support lossless audio via Bluetooth which is simply not possible. I'm not 
saying it doesn't sound very good, but even the most current and modern 
Bluetooth version and protocols have limitations when it comes to how much 
information can be streamed ant 1411 Kbps which is truly lossless audio is not 
possible, here is an excerpt from an article I recently read on Gear Patrol, I 
am putting the link to the full article below:

Can lossless audio be streamed over Bluetooth?
The short answer is no.
In order to listen to lossless digital audio files, you have two main options. 
You can use an analog connection, like connecting your wired headphones
to your smartphone or computer. Or you can stream the lossless audio over 
Wi-Fi, through a pair of
active speakers, such as KEF Wireless II or even multi-room speaker like Sonos.
There are technologies that let you stream high bitrate audio over Bluetooth. 
For example, if your smartphone and headphones support either of some audio 
codecs, such as Sony’s LDAC (up to 990 kbps) or Qualcomm’s aptX Adaptive (up to 
570 kbps), you can stream stream high bitrate and low latency audio files over 
Bluetooth. However, these audio files aren’t lossless (which is 1,411 kbps).

Is Lossless Audio the New Hi-Fi? It’s Not That 
Simple<https://www.gearpatrol.com/audio/lossless-audio-hi-fi/>


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here

Since I have had the Apple Airpods Max since they came out, unless they die, I 
don’t see any real need to buy these.
The extra battery life looks great, but to my ears, the Apple Airpods Max are 
fantastic.

Like you say, since they didn’t include Wi-Fi, the battery life is really the 
only thing I would want, but only if these die.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here

No worries Richard, now instead of posting the first message I'll simply say 
that I am deeply disappointed that these are just another pair of super 
expensive Bluetooth headsets. I really thought that apart from that they would 
also support Wi-Fi connectivity when you are at home as all other Sonos 
products do and that they could be used as any other Sonos player and could be 
grouped with other Sonos players if, for example, my wife was watching a movie 
on our Arc surround setup and I wanted to listen on the heads

RE: Sonos headphones are here

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I always find it funny when companies and Sonos is included here, claim they 
support lossless audio via Bluetooth which is simply not possible. I'm not 
saying it doesn't sound very good, but even the most current and modern 
Bluetooth version and protocols have limitations when it comes to how much 
information can be streamed ant 1411 Kbps which is truly lossless audio is not 
possible, here is an excerpt from an article I recently read on Gear Patrol, I 
am putting the link to the full article below:

Can lossless audio be streamed over Bluetooth?
The short answer is no.
In order to listen to lossless digital audio files, you have two main options. 
You can use an analog connection, like connecting your wired headphones
to your smartphone or computer. Or you can stream the lossless audio over 
Wi-Fi, through a pair of
active speakers, such as KEF Wireless II or even multi-room speaker like Sonos.
There are technologies that let you stream high bitrate audio over Bluetooth. 
For example, if your smartphone and headphones support either of some audio 
codecs, such as Sony’s LDAC (up to 990 kbps) or Qualcomm’s aptX Adaptive (up to 
570 kbps), you can stream stream high bitrate and low latency audio files over 
Bluetooth. However, these audio files aren’t lossless (which is 1,411 kbps).

Is Lossless Audio the New Hi-Fi? It’s Not That 
Simple<https://www.gearpatrol.com/audio/lossless-audio-hi-fi/>


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here

Since I have had the Apple Airpods Max since they came out, unless they die, I 
don’t see any real need to buy these.
The extra battery life looks great, but to my ears, the Apple Airpods Max are 
fantastic.

Like you say, since they didn’t include Wi-Fi, the battery life is really the 
only thing I would want, but only if these die.



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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here

No worries Richard, now instead of posting the first message I'll simply say 
that I am deeply disappointed that these are just another pair of super 
expensive Bluetooth headsets. I really thought that apart from that they would 
also support Wi-Fi connectivity when you are at home as all other Sonos 
products do and that they could be used as any other Sonos player and could be 
grouped with other Sonos players if, for example, my wife was watching a movie 
on our Arc surround setup and I wanted to listen on the headset while I was 
doing something else. Apparently it is very easy to transfer whatever is 
playing on another Sonos speaker to the headset which is somewhat nice, but I 
find it disappointing nonetheless. The first review I just read did sound 
positive in terms of the headset's design and sound quality. Apparently it is a 
definite step up from Apple's Airpods Max at a $100 lower price point and also 
competes well against Sony's top of the line offering. I may order one just to 
experience it, but I am 95% certain that I would probably send it back. Here 
the link to the review from Cult of Mac:

Sonos Ace headphones, the company's first, take on AirPods Max | Cult of 
Mac<https://www.cultofmac.com/857004/sonos-ace-headphones-take-on-airpods-max/#google_vignette>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Sonos headphones are here



Sorry Sieghared to beat you to the punch, but for those waiting for Sonos to 
release headphones, they announced them today.  They will be available June 5th 
for $449 US.
https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/sonos-ace


Richard, USA
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RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Your best excuse is simply that you feel it's time to upgrade and that you want 
to do it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

Darn, I was hoping IOS 18 wouldn't support the iPhone 11 so I'd have an excuse 
to upgrade my iPhone. I guess I'll have to work on coming up with another 
reason! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility:

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
the A10 Fusion and will reportedly support iPadOS 18.

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 9:09 AM
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Subject: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
Thanks.


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RE: Sonos headphones are here

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No worries Richard, now instead of posting the first message I'll simply say 
that I am deeply disappointed that these are just another pair of super 
expensive Bluetooth headsets. I really thought that apart from that they would 
also support Wi-Fi connectivity when you are at home as all other Sonos 
products do and that they could be used as any other Sonos player and could be 
grouped with other Sonos players if, for example, my wife was watching a movie 
on our Arc surround setup and I wanted to listen on the headset while I was 
doing something else. Apparently it is very easy to transfer whatever is 
playing on another Sonos speaker to the headset which is somewhat nice, but I 
find it disappointing nonetheless. The first review I just read did sound 
positive in terms of the headset's design and sound quality. Apparently it is a 
definite step up from Apple's Airpods Max at a $100 lower price point and also 
competes well against Sony's top of the line offering. I may order one just to 
experience it, but I am 95% certain that I would probably send it back. Here 
the link to the review from Cult of Mac:

Sonos Ace headphones, the company's first, take on AirPods Max | Cult of 
Mac

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sonos headphones are here



Sorry Sieghared to beat you to the punch, but for those waiting for Sonos to 
release headphones, they announced them today.  They will be available June 5th 
for $449 US.
https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/sonos-ace


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RE: Pro V Pro Mas?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all, you probably meant to say SE 2022 since there is no SE 2023. The 
iPhone SE currently has 3 Generations as below:

iPhone SE (1st generation), released March 31, 2016
iPhone SE (2nd generation), released April 24, 2020
iPhone SE (3rd generation), released March 18, 2022
iPhone SE (4th generation), rumoured release dae is March, 2025

I would also seriously consider waiting until September to update as we are 
only a couple of weeks away from the world wide developer's conference at the 
beginning of June when Apple will announce iOS 18 and we are now only 4 months 
away from the release of the new iPhones in September. It is quite possible 
that these new iPhones will have some hardware specs required for the rumored 
AI functionality which is expected to be part of iOS 18 and even if you decide 
to get an iPhone 15 or 15 Pro, you'll get a better deal in September and it's 
not like you have a super old phone which is about to give up the ghost.

Now as far as regular versus Pro phones, I personally find the Pro phones are 
the way to go if you can afford them since the LiDAR sensor does give you 
access to several features you otherwise won't have. Of course maybe all 
iPhones will have the LiDAR sensor this year, we won't know until September.
Strictly from the camera perspective I don't think a blind person gets all that 
much nmore out of a Pro phone because even the cameras on the regular iPhone 15 
is very good and I doubt there would be a difference with respect to apps like 
Seeing AI, Aira, Be My Eyes etc.
One thing I would definitely not do is to by anything below an iPhone 15 
because then you still end up with a phone witgh Lightning port instead of 
USB-C which now that Apple has adopted it has definitely become the standard.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
donmoor...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Pro V Pro Mas?

I'm looking to upgrade from the S E 2023 to either the Pro or Pro Max.
Wonder what people's thoughts are?

My visuals would be primarily for OCR and such, but sometimes a sightie might 
want to take a photo with my camera.

Any thoughts?

Thanks so much in advance.



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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I received a reply from Chef IQ which unfortunately is not encouraging. I wrote 
them back and they replied again, the thread is below:

On May 16, 2024, at 5:51?AM, CHEF iQ Support 
supp...@chefiq.com<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com> wrote:
Good Morning Sieghard,
Thanks for reaching out to CHEF iQ Support my name is Eve,
At this time we do not offer accessibility for the blind / visually impaired. 
However, I have referred this to the appropriate team.

Best Regards,
Eve
Customer Support Representative
CHEFiQ.com
supp...@chefiq.com<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com>

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From: Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@outlook.com]
Sent: 5/16/2024, 12:55 PM
To: supp...@chefiq.com<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com>
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737

That is very unfortunate and disappointing. As our population ages there are 
more and more  people with visual impairments and for many companies 
Accessibility has become part of their philosophy. It is not difficult to make 
an app that is accessible, but in the meantime I had already heard that 
apparently somebody tried your product some time ago and found it very 
difficult to use if not inaccessible. Obviously Chef IQ does not care about 
this and I will therefore go ahead and order the Meater Plus thermometer even 
if I think you may have a better product.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: nore...@salesforce.com<mailto:nore...@salesforce.com> 
nore...@salesforce.com<mailto:nore...@salesforce.com> On Behalf Of CHEF iQ 
Support
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:02 AM
To: siegh...@outlook.com<mailto:siegh...@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Chef iQ Support 00356737

Hello Sieghard,

I do apologize we are working on it.

Eve
Customer Support Representative
CHEFiQ.com
supp...@chefiq.com<mailto:supp...@chefiq.com>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Thanks for that and I should have thought to check Applevis. Anyways, let's see 
what Chef IQ has to say, 3 years can be a long time and if it was discussed on 
Applevis I hope somebody contacted them to recommend accessibility improvments. 
If this was the case and nothing has been done regarding accessibility then my 
conclusion would be that the company is not very interested in it. Ultimateily 
I may just order both the Meater Plus and the Chef IQ and try/compare them and 
then send back the one I don't like.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

A quick follow up. this topic got me curious. I came across this thread on 
Applevis<https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/food-drink/chef-iq> about the Chef 
IQ app. It’s from three years ago and by the review, while it seems you can 
work with the app, acccessibility might be a challenge. Hopefully there have 
been accessibility improvements since this review was posted.

Cristóbal

From: Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did suggest it as an accessible 
option with VoiceOver  though so I pulled the trigger on one when it  went on 
sale as a lightning deal, but by the time I got it, I’d already received the 
reply from Meater about it’s limitations for what I wanted to use it for.
I’m currently using a Weber leave-in probe with a stainless steel stovetop 
popcorn maker which works well enough. The nice thing about the Weber app is 
that when you leave VO focus on the temperature readout, VO speaks the 
temperature change in realtime.
I’d be curious to know what the Chef IQ folks say if they get back to you.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Did you use it at all, just wondering how easy the app is to use.
I actually think the Chef Iq sounds a little better, it says it can handle over 
700+°F for ambient temperature and it comes with a hub which is used as a 
charging base and which also has a speaker which can speak the temperature. It 
also connects the thermometer to your device via Wi-Fi, I assume it's Bluetooth 
from the probe to the hub, but then it's WiFi so you have better range. 
Thirdly, you can add I think up to 2 additional probes through the one hub 
which could be a bonus. Lastl

RE: need help with the hitch app and IPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Louise wrote "It’s supposed to provide transportation between cities.  Thanks."
For more details I would just go to the App Store and read the descriptions 
especially in terms of whether this is only for the United States or if it is 
also available in Canada and other countries.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need help with the hitch app and IPhone

What is the hitch app? Is it a dating app? From Mich verrier from new Liskeard 
Ontario Canada
Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Louise Peyton  wrote:

I’ve tried it with voiceover and find it somewhat difficult.  Then again, it 
may be me.  Please, Ryan, as an instructor, please take a look.  It’s supposed 
to provide transportation between cities.  Thanks.
Louise

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: need help with the hitch app and IPhone

Is this app difficult to use with VoiceOver? I haven’t tried it yet, but I 
might. If you write her, please include me as well.
Thanks.

Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175




On May 16, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Louise Peyton 
mailto:lp2...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello, all:
Does any totally blind person use the hitch app with the IPhone?  Need step by 
step guidance on how to use it.  Please write me off list at: 
lp2...@hotmail.com  Thanks in advance.
Louise
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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks for that and I should have thought to check Applevis. Anyways, let's see 
what Chef IQ has to say, 3 years can be a long time and if it was discussed on 
Applevis I hope somebody contacted them to recommend accessibility improvments. 
If this was the case and nothing has been done regarding accessibility then my 
conclusion would be that the company is not very interested in it. Ultimateily 
I may just order both the Meater Plus and the Chef IQ and try/compare them and 
then send back the one I don't like.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

A quick follow up. this topic got me curious. I came across this thread on 
Applevis<https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/food-drink/chef-iq> about the Chef 
IQ app. It’s from three years ago and by the review, while it seems you can 
work with the app, acccessibility might be a challenge. Hopefully there have 
been accessibility improvements since this review was posted.

Cristóbal

From: Cristóbal Muñoz 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Honestly, no. Someone on the Blind subreddit did suggest it as an accessible 
option with VoiceOver  though so I pulled the trigger on one when it  went on 
sale as a lightning deal, but by the time I got it, I’d already received the 
reply from Meater about it’s limitations for what I wanted to use it for.
I’m currently using a Weber leave-in probe with a stainless steel stovetop 
popcorn maker which works well enough. The nice thing about the Weber app is 
that when you leave VO focus on the temperature readout, VO speaks the 
temperature change in realtime.
I’d be curious to know what the Chef IQ folks say if they get back to you.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Did you use it at all, just wondering how easy the app is to use.
I actually think the Chef Iq sounds a little better, it says it can handle over 
700+°F for ambient temperature and it comes with a hub which is used as a 
charging base and which also has a speaker which can speak the temperature. It 
also connects the thermometer to your device via Wi-Fi, I assume it's Bluetooth 
from the probe to the hub, but then it's WiFi so you have better range. 
Thirdly, you can add I think up to 2 additional probes through the one hub 
which could be a bonus. Lastly, Chef IQ seems to also make a smart pressure 
cooker and other small appliances which all work through the same app.
I sent them an email to ask about Voiceover accessibility, let's see if they 
reply and what they say.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

I bought one a few months ago, but ended up returning it. In my case, I was/am 
looking for something to measure the temperature of the roasting chamber while 
roasting coffee beans. I wrote the Meater folks and explained what I wanted to 
use it for, but they said that while it could handle higher temps when inserted 
into something, it was only rated around 200 and something degrees Fahrenheit 
for ambient temps (don’t recall the exact temperature they told me, but I know 
it wasn’t more than 300º). In order to properly roast coffee beans, you have to 
get around 400º depending on the bean. That and the way beans are roasted (lots 
of agitation), it might be too rough for the probe.

Cristóbal

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
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Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Hi,

Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:

Meater 
Plus<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you use it at all, just wondering how easy the app is to use.
I actually think the Chef Iq sounds a little better, it says it can handle over 
700+°F for ambient temperature and it comes with a hub which is used as a 
charging base and which also has a speaker which can speak the temperature. It 
also connects the thermometer to your device via Wi-Fi, I assume it's Bluetooth 
from the probe to the hub, but then it's WiFi so you have better range. 
Thirdly, you can add I think up to 2 additional probes through the one hub 
which could be a bonus. Lastly, Chef IQ seems to also make a smart pressure 
cooker and other small appliances which all work through the same app.
I sent them an email to ask about Voiceover accessibility, let's see if they 
reply and what they say.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

I bought one a few months ago, but ended up returning it. In my case, I was/am 
looking for something to measure the temperature of the roasting chamber while 
roasting coffee beans. I wrote the Meater folks and explained what I wanted to 
use it for, but they said that while it could handle higher temps when inserted 
into something, it was only rated around 200 and something degrees Fahrenheit 
for ambient temps (don’t recall the exact temperature they told me, but I know 
it wasn’t more than 300º). In order to properly roast coffee beans, you have to 
get around 400º depending on the bean. That and the way beans are roasted (lots 
of agitation), it might be too rough for the probe.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Hi,

Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:

Meater 
Plus<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And when I just Googled it I also found another one which sounds interesting:

Chef iQ Smart Wireless Meat Thermometer, Unlimited Range, Bluetooth & WiFi 
Enabled, Digital Cooking Thermometer with Ultra-Thin Probe for Remote 
Monitoring<https://www.amazon.ca/iQ-Thermometer-Unlimited-Ultra-Thin-Monitoring/dp/B0B14D4B8M/ref=sr_1_12?crid=2SZM0XB5VOL7X=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._AjRJ8cE7YRNmy9GTtRqHoW-CT23YtR-xmjppLB9B3Yj6e0lFFGWwdnsM-Lz8ltxvHDN80sHSlvkilRwjJo0EyLCd19RPAo1Xo47W2rLJet6lBerFLajMs4Y_pQAlGdxzuY-Y0FlEcslMVHFZWuGxt_o6vY_ALJ2qlcKMyvXs4rV0oNqtme2L41ZiwKBsDXOhEzN4uQ3U6QKXzV0TNagx_1y_E1FAXTUmfUR6mbu3aX0my45HPXtH1PeIsdGU30sfVDx4MBq9C_jbA-vO1RRMzabjVUKzqAReVy2fG4BIlo.Hx8R8BSkynFKoM2zqrIBOdmBHxyjGAjT5j2Uikb4uxQ_tag=se=Meater%2BPlus%2Bwifi=1715803638=meater%2Bplus%2Bwifi%2Caps%2C169=8-12=1>

This link is from Amazon Canada, just not sure if that Chef Iq app is 
accessible whereas I assume if A T Guys sells the Meater Plus then their app 
would be accessible. The Meater Plus in Canada is also available from Home 
Depot and Amazon Canada and both places currently sell it for $99.99 Canadian 
so same price as A T Guys, but in Canadian Dollars which works out to around 
$72 or $73 US.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

Hi,

Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:

Meater 
Plus<https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=66_id=418>

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Meater Plus wireless cooking thermometer

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

Just saw this promoted in an email from A T Guys and was wondering if anybody 
has purchased and used it:

Meater 
Plus

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: mbasic facebook site down?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Don't typically use it since I find the Windows 11 Facebook app works quite 
well, but I just tried mbasic.facebook.com and it worked fine for me.

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I’m getting error something went wrong on mbasic.facebook.com.

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RE: Question about ringtone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is typically controlled by your carrier and if you call them they may 
change how long your phone rings before it goes to voice mail.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about ringtone

Hello,

My phone scarcely rings twice. Is there any way to have it ringing longer?
That’s SE22.

Rena
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RE: Phone Not Ringing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Definitely sounds like one o fthe focus modes like Do Not Disturb could be 
turned on. If you pull down from the top a little way to bring up control 
centre, you can then check on the left side of the screen about half way down 
where it says "Focus", if it only says "Focus" then it's fine, but if you hear 
something like "Focus, Do Not Disturb" or "Focus, Sleep" this means the Do Not 
Disturb or Sleep focus is is turned on and this would most likely cause all 
your calls to go straight to voice mail unless you set up exceptions in 
Settings > Focus to allow certain calls through or to allow notifications from 
certain apps.
Also keep in mind that if you go to Settings > Focus, it will tell you if any 
of the focus options is "on", but you can't turn it off from there, this has to 
be done via control centre and I believe you can also ask Siri to turn a 
particular focus on or off..

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 6:14 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Phone Not Ringing

When people call me my  cell phone automatically goes to  voice mail. It does 
not ring at all. And yes, I know the difference between Ring Mode and Silent 
Mode and my phone is most definitely in the former.  What other settings could 
cause this behavior?  Thank you.
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RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think at time we are all guilty of reading only the first part of an email 
and jumping to some sort of conclusion.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

Sieghard.
That is what I get for not being thorough.  O well.


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

He wrote in his message " On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner"

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

I copied the name you gave, Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner, but there was no such 
app. There was something called tuneable for $7.99 with in-app purchases...
Do you have the link or the developer name?


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



On May 12, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Chela Robles 
mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Try Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner. It has a metronome that is what you want. 
It's accessible. On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner. I use it all 
the time when I practice.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Jim Portillo 
mailto:portillo@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am so sorry. I did not look it up on Applevis. I should have, and I didn't 
even think about it. I think I spent more time playing with it and after 
frustration, I just went to the list. My apologies.
Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro!

On May 12, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
Hello Jim,

Have you looked this app up on appleVis? It's fine to ask here, but someone may 
have written it up in the app directory there.

HTH,
Anna


On May 12, 2024, at 10:40 PM, 
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Hello there friends and list members,
I am needing to get a good metronome app that goes beyond the basics. I’m 
needing one that is easy to set and that allows for particular sub beats to be 
set as well.
The app my music teacher is using is called ProMetronome, and it does some 
fantastic stuff. However, I don’t know if it is just operator error, but I 
haven’t found it to be very accessible or useable. Some of the buttons don’t 
seem to be labeled, and I can’t tell how to set a particular tempo or beats per 
minute.
Before I write to the app developer, I wanted to know if anyone has used it or 
if other people find it useable and maybe I am the one missing something. I 
don’t want to write a developer and give him a whole deal about accessibility 
to blind people when other blind people are using the app just fine. I hope you 
don’t mind if I brought this up on the list.
If this is not a useable app, does anyone have a good app that can be used with 
the phone? I’m using Tempo Perfect, but to set it, I have to literally slide my 
finger up and down through the beats per minute, and if I’m going from 60 to 
160, I would like a better way. Any help would be appreciated.
Jim


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RE: Problem with messages in WhatsApp

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Two things to try:
1. When you get out of WhatsApp, don't just reopen it, but make sure you first 
close the app out of the app switcher as well, then reopen it.
2. Make sure you don't have Screebn Recognition for WhatsApp enabled as this 
may give you strange results. Typically screen recognition is in the rotor, so 
turn the rotor until you get to it and make sure it says "off".


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Problem with messages in WhatsApp

Yes, it does. I even turned of the phone and restarted.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
hudson
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with messages in WhatsApp

Hi Rena, if you close it, and then go back into it, does it still bring up the 
same message?

On May 13, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Rena 
mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I’m using my new SE22. The problem is that when I opened WhatsApp to listen to 
my audio messages, I got stock in something that says
Messages are generated by meta
And I can’t get out. I don’t see any cancel or back button.
Any suggestion?

Rena

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RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

He wrote in his message " On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner"

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

I copied the name you gave, Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner, but there was no such 
app. There was something called tuneable for $7.99 with in-app purchases...
Do you have the link or the developer name?



Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On May 12, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Chela Robles 
mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Try Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner. It has a metronome that is what you want. 
It's accessible. On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner. I use it all 
the time when I practice.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Jim Portillo 
mailto:portillo@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am so sorry. I did not look it up on Applevis. I should have, and I didn't 
even think about it. I think I spent more time playing with it and after 
frustration, I just went to the list. My apologies.
Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro!


On May 12, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
Hello Jim,

Have you looked this app up on appleVis? It's fine to ask here, but someone may 
have written it up in the app directory there.

HTH,
Anna



On May 12, 2024, at 10:40 PM, 
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Hello there friends and list members,
I am needing to get a good metronome app that goes beyond the basics. I’m 
needing one that is easy to set and that allows for particular sub beats to be 
set as well.
The app my music teacher is using is called ProMetronome, and it does some 
fantastic stuff. However, I don’t know if it is just operator error, but I 
haven’t found it to be very accessible or useable. Some of the buttons don’t 
seem to be labeled, and I can’t tell how to set a particular tempo or beats per 
minute.
Before I write to the app developer, I wanted to know if anyone has used it or 
if other people find it useable and maybe I am the one missing something. I 
don’t want to write a developer and give him a whole deal about accessibility 
to blind people when other blind people are using the app just fine. I hope you 
don’t mind if I brought this up on the list.
If this is not a useable app, does anyone have a good app that can be used with 
the phone? I’m using Tempo Perfect, but to set it, I have to literally slide my 
finger up and down through the beats per minute, and if I’m going from 60 to 
160, I would like a better way. Any help would be appreciated.
Jim


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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks Larry, I had already noticed the fact that if I use the gesture to go to 
the very bottom and swip eback I see my speakers/rooms, but with all these 
strange buttons and images I hadn't figured out yet which one to tap. Let's 
hope that the May 21 update we are being told includes a lot of accessibility 
improvements will address a lot of this especially the fact that right now you 
have to swipe everywhere and can't find anything buy simply touching the 
screen. I also found that if you do what yiou describe and are not careful, you 
easily end up a the top again so if you have a number of speakers and lose your 
place you then have to start all over again with the gesture to go to the 
bottom and swipe 10 or 15 times to get one of your speakers near the top of the 
list etc.
I am definitely not updating my Sonos app on the iPhone until this gets a lot 
better, but you really have to be careful bvecause not just do you have to pay 
attention that you don't accidently or by habit tap on "Update All", but when I 
opened the old Sonos app last night I was also presented with a screen touting 
the new update and I had to dismiss it before I could use the app and the 
"Update" bvutton was right next to the "Dismiss" button so one can easily tap 
the wrong thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:19 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I have found a couple of ways to do this. I guess the easiest way 
if you can call it that is to: When you open the Sonos app, do a 4 finger 
single tap on the bottom of the screen. Once you are at the bottom of the 
screen, start swiping back. Now because you are swiping back, You are going to 
see things related to the room before you see the name of the room itself. For 
example, when I start swiping back, I see something like  volume small. I then 
see what is playing Tim Mcgraw, live like you were dying. Swipe again and I see 
the play button. I keep swiping until I see the room name. If I know what room 
I’m in based on the song, I only swipe back until I hear speakers. If you 
double tap speakers, the app will then bring up a list of your rooms. You then 
swipe to the room you want to add. After the room name, It will say something 
like circlecheck. Double tap that and continue this until all rooms you want is 
selected. At the bottom there is an apply button. 
As I stated in my previous email, there is a lot of swiping required for this 
new app. This needs to be addressed by the Sonos team sooner rather than later. 
There are other accessibility issues that has to be fixed also. I guess my hope 
is that those who can use this app will do so. That way, issues can be found 
and reported to Sonos. If Sonos cares about all of their customers, including 
The blind community, They will hear us and fix these issues. I have over $7,000 
invested in Sonos products and growing. 

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play 
> music on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had 
> little success selecting a particular room and then select for example my 
> Apple Music subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I 
> actually don't even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but 
> until I can reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to 
> play, I won't update my iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
> there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
> everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
> accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
> originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
> iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
> touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is 
> off no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that 
> it is changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker 
> that is playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope 
> Sonos address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. 
> But for me, The app is useable.
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
>> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update 
>> 

A little more about the new Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I had been in touch with somebody at Sonos back in 2010 and with all these new 
Sonos app issues I decided to take a chance and send her a message. It turned 
out that she is still with Sonos and she is now Vice President, Global Consumer 
Direct. Below is her reply to my message in which I was not all that subtle 
about how I felt by this stupid move to release such an update without making 
it first accessible:

Hi Sieghard,

Sorry for the delay in response. I wanted to connect with our product 
leadership team ahead of responding.

They have confirmed that key experience benefits for our visually impaired user 
community remain a top priority, and their goal is to ensure the new app not 
only reaches parity with previous versions, but hopefully improves upon the 
experience over time.

That being said, some of those accessibility features will be rolled out in 
upcoming releases, along with a number of additional features that weren't 
included in the initial release. The current estimation is the app will be at 
full parity within the next 8 weeks. We also expect to release a key update on 
May 21st that will address some of the biggest gaps that were highlighted in 
the article you shared. 
Here
 is the "official" company position that was shared yesterday with our online 
Community.

I appreciate you reaching out to me directly, and want you to know I am always 
available to receive and discuss feedback you have related to your personal 
Sonos experience. We value your business and long term customer status!

Best,
Lindsay

The "here" link goes to the Sonos community website where a Sonos employee 
basically said the same thing"

Keith N, Sonos Staff
At Sonos, we take accessibility seriously and aim to build listening 
experiences that everyone can enjoy.
The redesigned Sonos app was built from the ground up to support both modern 
and future Sonos experiences, and as part of that, we'll be implementing 
ongoing improvements and enhancements over time. On May 7, the app will have 
basic support for screen readers, allowing you to swipe through and read 
through all items on the screen. Following launch, ongoing improvements to the 
accessibility of the updated mobile app will remain a top priority. A software 
release available May 21 will improve screen readers so you can select items on 
screen in any order. Further improvement will be added to the experience 
regularly until we reach parity with the S2 app by late June.
In the meantime, the Sonos Windows and Mac applications will continue to 
operate as normal until our new web app has met our accessibility standards.
Thank you for your patience as we continuously improve the accessibility of the 
Sonos app.

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RE: [Tech-VI] From Jonathan Mosen via Living Blindfully: Updated blog post on the Sonos accessibility issue

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I was under the impression Sonos already announced that there was a roadmap in 
place for restoring accessibility first with an update in 2 weeks and more by 
end of June. Is that a good thing, well obviously it would have been nice if 
they had just delayed releasing the app until it was all done, but let's wait 
to see if they follow through with these promises. In the meantime nobody 
forces you to update the app.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:34 PM
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Subject: Fwd: [Tech-VI] From Jonathan Mosen via Living Blindfully: Updated blog 
post on the Sonos accessibility issue


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It has been a difficult couple of days for Sonos users. Now that the 
inaccessible app is out, I've reworked, and substantially updated, my blog 
post. I'll continue to add to it if I receive word of further media releases or 
coverage.
I think Sonos now owes us two thinks, an urgent repair of the app, and a public 
apology to repair trust. https://mosen.org/sonos2024/
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play music 
on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had little 
success selecting a particular room and then select for example my Apple Music 
subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I actually don't 
even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but until I can 
reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to play, I won't 
update my iPhone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about a 
new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  

> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the 
> Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And also, I did manage to find System Update in the new app on the iPad and 
when I double tapped "Check for updates" I was told that my system did not need 
to be updated which indicates that this is entirely an app/user interface 
update and does not involve any firmware update of the Sonos speakers. 
Therefore, for the time at least even if you do turn on automatic updates in 
your old Sonos app and the speakers get an update, this should not affect the 
app or force you to update to the new app. Just make sure you don't have 
automatic app updates turned on or accidently tap on "update all" and you 
should be fine using the fully accessible Sonos app until hopefully Sonos comes 
to their senses. Of course it will definitely not hurt to continue bugging them 
about this terrible decision to release such a big UI update without making 
sure it is fully accessible. It would be great if somebody could contact 
reputable organisations like Engadget, What HiFi, 9to5Mac and so on to see if 
they wouldn't jump in by publishing articles about this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Richard,

I updated the Sonos app on our iPad and while it's far from good, I did not 
have any issues swiping to and activating buttons like Account Info, System 
Info. It was late last night so I only spend maybe 5 minutes with it and I 
certainly wouldn't want it on my iPhone 13 Pro which I use as my primary 
device, but like I said, some of these things worked fine for me without screen 
recognition. I have yet to ask a sighted person to tell me what they see and 
how it all interacts with Voiceover. Let's hope Sonos will implement an initial 
round of Voiceover improvements in 2 weeks as they mentioned in some post I 
read. If they say this and don't do it then this would truly be not a good sign.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu to always connect with the operator?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If anybody is paying me big bucks they must deposit them to an account I don't 
know about 藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone 
menu to always connect with the operator?

Great suggestion.  Why didn’t I think of that?  Guess that’s why they pay you 
big bucks. 

Katrina
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 2:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone 
menu to always connect with the operator?

Another thing Peter could do is to provide the phone number of his taxi company 
so maybe somebody else could try this for him.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Katrina Anderson
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone 
menu to always connect with the operator?

Hi Peter,

There is no getting around it, figuring out the right formula (how many commas, 
etc.) is horribly frustrating, but it is worth the trouble when you find that 
formula.

I am a bit confused by your statement, “The phone app does not connect after 
sending the touch tone for “0”.”  To be clear does that mean you open the phone 
app, click on a recent attempt to call the contact or perhaps open contacts and 
select/call?  If I’m understanding correctly, that should work, unless there is 
the wrong number of commas, etc.  I use Voiceover, or Siri, to dial contacts 
that include commas, etc.; works all the time.  What a mystery!

You said, “When placing the call manually, I can use VoiceOver to double tap 
“0”.”  To be clear, in this scenario, do tap zero early in the announcement 
and/or before the “tone?”  If so, the following paragraph can be ignored.

Some systems force us to listen to at least part of the announcements.  It is 
possible that the system insists you listen to the entire recording before 
dialing zero.  You said, “Using 3 commas there is enough of a delay to hear:  
Press 1 to order a taxi, press 0 for an operator.”  My question is if there is 
more spoken after that before the “tone” and the recording repeats?  If so, try 
adding another comma (or more) until what may be required listening is done.

As for if there is something else to push at the end of the phone number field, 
that is a great question, but there is not an automatic answer to that 
question…every system is different.  I assume, since you didn’t hear 
instruction to dial 1 or 0, followed by the pound sign (or whatever), you 
should only need the 10-digit phone number, followed by enough commas to pause 
while a mandatory announcement plays, and finally then zero.  However, I 
encourage you to speak with someone at the company to find the truth.

I strongly encourage you to communicate the problem with the company.  Maybe 
they can help resolve this by tweaking their system a bit.  Sounds like you are 
a good customer, so I’m sure they do not want to lose your business.  I learned 
long ago, unasked questions can never be answered/addressed.  The worst that 
could happen is they cannot help and/or aren’t supportive, but obviously you 
won’t be worse off than if the question wasn’t asked.  A year or so back, I had 
serious trouble connecting with a human at Medicaid.  The system simply didn’t 
provide enough time to react via Voiceover.  I respectfully requested they slow 
the system, providing sufficient time to act.  I was denied by Medicaid, so 
haven’t had a need to call for a very long time; thus, no idea if they followed 
through.

I would love to know how this all ends; please share if you feel comfortable.  
In the meantime, good luck

Katrina

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu 
to always connect with the operator?

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions but it doesn't work.
I would like to use the phone app to call 2 taxi companies. They play a menu 
with the option to press “0” to be redirected to the operator.
They do not give the option to stay on the line to be redirected to an operator.
The menu then repeats continuously.

I was told that the “0” could be automatically sent by editing the contact and 
adding 1 or more commas and “0” to the end of the phone number field.

I tried 1 and then more commas after the taxi number followed by the num

RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu to always connect with the operator?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Another thing Peter could do is to provide the phone number of his taxi company 
so maybe somebody else could try this for him.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone 
menu to always connect with the operator?

Hi Peter,

There is no getting around it, figuring out the right formula (how many commas, 
etc.) is horribly frustrating, but it is worth the trouble when you find that 
formula.

I am a bit confused by your statement, “The phone app does not connect after 
sending the touch tone for “0”.”  To be clear does that mean you open the phone 
app, click on a recent attempt to call the contact or perhaps open contacts and 
select/call?  If I’m understanding correctly, that should work, unless there is 
the wrong number of commas, etc.  I use Voiceover, or Siri, to dial contacts 
that include commas, etc.; works all the time.  What a mystery!

You said, “When placing the call manually, I can use VoiceOver to double tap 
“0”.”  To be clear, in this scenario, do tap zero early in the announcement 
and/or before the “tone?”  If so, the following paragraph can be ignored.

Some systems force us to listen to at least part of the announcements.  It is 
possible that the system insists you listen to the entire recording before 
dialing zero.  You said, “Using 3 commas there is enough of a delay to hear:  
Press 1 to order a taxi, press 0 for an operator.”  My question is if there is 
more spoken after that before the “tone” and the recording repeats?  If so, try 
adding another comma (or more) until what may be required listening is done.

As for if there is something else to push at the end of the phone number field, 
that is a great question, but there is not an automatic answer to that 
question…every system is different.  I assume, since you didn’t hear 
instruction to dial 1 or 0, followed by the pound sign (or whatever), you 
should only need the 10-digit phone number, followed by enough commas to pause 
while a mandatory announcement plays, and finally then zero.  However, I 
encourage you to speak with someone at the company to find the truth.

I strongly encourage you to communicate the problem with the company.  Maybe 
they can help resolve this by tweaking their system a bit.  Sounds like you are 
a good customer, so I’m sure they do not want to lose your business.  I learned 
long ago, unasked questions can never be answered/addressed.  The worst that 
could happen is they cannot help and/or aren’t supportive, but obviously you 
won’t be worse off than if the question wasn’t asked.  A year or so back, I had 
serious trouble connecting with a human at Medicaid.  The system simply didn’t 
provide enough time to react via Voiceover.  I respectfully requested they slow 
the system, providing sufficient time to act.  I was denied by Medicaid, so 
haven’t had a need to call for a very long time; thus, no idea if they followed 
through.

I would love to know how this all ends; please share if you feel comfortable.  
In the meantime, good luck

Katrina

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu 
to always connect with the operator?

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions but it doesn't work.
I would like to use the phone app to call 2 taxi companies. They play a menu 
with the option to press “0” to be redirected to the operator.
They do not give the option to stay on the line to be redirected to an operator.
The menu then repeats continuously.

I was told that the “0” could be automatically sent by editing the contact and 
adding 1 or more commas and “0” to the end of the phone number field.

I tried 1 and then more commas after the taxi number followed by the number “0”.
The menu continues to repeat.

Using 3 commas there is enough of a delay to hear:
   Press 1 to order a taxi, press 0 for an operator.
I then hear the touch tone but the menu continues.

When placing the call manually, I can use VoiceOver to double tap “0”.
The operator then comes on the line.

The phone app does not connect after sending the touch tone for “0”.
Is there another character required at the end of the phone number field?

Peter T.

On 2024-04-24 12:48 AM, Katrina Anderson wrote:
Peter, try the following:

  1.  Inside of the contact, there is an edit button.  Click on that; you can 
swipe through and open fields as desired.  When finished editing, click on 
update or save…can’t recall the prompt, but do whatever is needed to save the 
changes.
  2.  Navigate to and open (single finger double tap) the phone number field.
  3.  Put the cursor at the end of the phone number.
  4.  Add 1 or more commas and then zero.  The commas are there to pass time 
and/or get to the prompt to tap zero.  You could try using 1 

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Chris, it would be if it's true. I assumed it was, but usually Jonathan has 
good information and if he heard that the accessibility of the new app is 
terrible then I am sure he has good reasons to say this. If I hear back from my 
Sonos contact I will certainly provide that information. In any case, we'll 
find out in a day and a half provided you choose to upgrade. I have two 
systems, one at home and one at my retail store and I may just try it first 
there with an iPad we have before updating the app on my phone.

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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

That’s great to hear.

Chris Judge

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app


I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks Sieghard,
This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around th

RE: Question about iPhone case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not that I have seen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

Do any of these tech 21 cases have a place for a lanyard?

James B


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

Amazon is probably the best place as you can find literally dozens and dozens 
of different cases. I personally like the Tech 21 cases as they are thin but 
very tough.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

Do you have the phone number?
Just in case, where else can I buy a case?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?
I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the 
iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit.

www.atguys.com<http://www.atguys.com>



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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Question about iPhone case

Hello,

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.
I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

Rena
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RE: Caller ID Help Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Janet, now you are talking about something totally different. The "Show my 
Caller Id" in Settings > Phone is strictly so that your number is displayed 
when somebody else receives a call from you. Whether you see incoming numbers 
depends on how the person who is calling you has it set and it's of course easy 
to block your number so it shows as "private" or "no caller Id".

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Carolyn,

It wouldn't hurt to ask them.
As I said before, and as I still say, I think it is important to have a caller 
ID.
I can't tell you how many times I've answered the phone, only to hear someone 
on the other end wanting me to send money to another country.
I don't want to be bothered by all the scammers calling me.

Janet
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Wow, Janet that really gives me incentive to call Verizon and see if they can 
get mine on.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Hi Sieghard and All,

I just called my phone carrier T-Mobile, regarding the caller ID issue I have 
been having.
They turned the caller ID on for me, and they said they just updated it, but 
they also said some times this can take 72 hours, before it will take affect.
So, they had me to hang up the phone, and restart the phone to see if it worked 
then.
They then called me back a few minutes later, and I told them I still get the 
message saying in progress, but not the option to toggle it on or off.
They assured me it will be working within 72 hours, and they will call me back 
this coming Tuesday to check if I can turn it on then.
They told me to keep checking the setting in between now and Tuesday.
They also said because of this issue, they will not charge me any monthly 
payment for my next bill.
So, we'll see.


Thank you all.

Janet
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

I just did a Google search for "Show Caller Id not available on iPhone" and I 
found the following which clearly indicates that having the Show Caller Id 
switch depends on your carrier and that Verizon and Sprint don't make this 
available to their customers:

Hanlab1 Posted on Dec 20, 2021 6:39 AM
Caller ID option doesn’t exist in settings > Phone Hi, could you please help me 
in finding the caller ID option on my iPhone 13 pro max so I would be able to 
toggle it on/off?
  When I went to Setting > Phone, I couldn’t find the caller ID function there. 
Is it hidden?
Thanks for the help!

Axel Foley Posted on Dec 20, 2021 7:33 AM The Caller ID feature and option on 
the iPhone, is provided and managed by your carrier. Most carriers provide the 
feature to be toggled OFF or ON right from the iPhone.
Some carriers do not provide this capability and require the user to call them.
Therefore I recommend that you contact your carrier for a resolution.

IdrisSeabright posted on Dec 20, 2021 7:42 AM in response to Honlab1 If you're 
a Verizon customer or were a Sprint customer (or using a carrier that uses 
their networks), you will not see that option on your phone.
You will need to manage the options by dialing short codes.
For Verizon, start here:
https://www.verizon.com/support/caller-id-services/
:



-Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

And have you called T-Mobile to ask why his does not work for you?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Carolyn,
Can I ask you who is your phone carrier?
I'm wondering why this problem with the caller ID is all about.
My phone carrier is T-Mobile.
Janet

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 6:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

I found no Caller ID. I did go through the prompts and tried making it take my 
name, but when I called here, it said Wireless Caller.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.

Carolyn,

Open the Settings app, swip

RE: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu to always connect with the operator?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, and some systems don't allow you to interrupt, i.e. you have to listen to 
the entire message first before you can enter a number. I have our local 
Safeway number in my contacts and here you have to dial 8 in order to get to 
customer service and it works perfectly, the number, a single comma and then 8.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone 
menu to always connect with the operator?

Normally, you simply add enough commas to get to the place you can enter the 
required number with no punctuation after that. Like, 555-555-,,,0


Richard, USA
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On May 4, 2024, at 9:36 PM, Peter Tesar  wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for your suggestions but it doesn't work.
I would like to use the phone app to call 2 taxi companies. They play a menu 
with the option to press “0” to be redirected to the operator.
They do not give the option to stay on the line to be redirected to an operator.
The menu then repeats continuously.

I was told that the “0” could be automatically sent by editing the contact and 
adding 1 or more commas and “0” to the end of the phone number field.

I tried 1 and then more commas after the taxi number followed by the number “0”.
The menu continues to repeat.

Using 3 commas there is enough of a delay to hear:
   Press 1 to order a taxi, press 0 for an operator.
I then hear the touch tone but the menu continues.

When placing the call manually, I can use VoiceOver to double tap “0”.
The operator then comes on the line.

The phone app does not connect after sending the touch tone for “0”.
Is there another character required at the end of the phone number field?

Peter T.

On 2024-04-24 12:48 AM, Katrina Anderson wrote:
Peter, try the following:

  1.  Inside of the contact, there is an edit button.  Click on that; you can 
swipe through and open fields as desired.  When finished editing, click on 
update or save…can’t recall the prompt, but do whatever is needed to save the 
changes.
  2.  Navigate to and open (single finger double tap) the phone number field.
  3.  Put the cursor at the end of the phone number.
  4.  Add 1 or more commas and then zero.  The commas are there to pass time 
and/or get to the prompt to tap zero.  You could try using 1 comma to see if 
that is sufficient, and if not, continue to add commas as needed.  When 
finished editing, remember to save your changes.  That may be a poor 
explanation; perhaps someone else can do a better job.
  5.  Although it is a tad more complex and/or requires more effort, you can 
use the commas to automatically move you through automated systems.  I use 
commas in contacts where multiple responses are needed.  For example, the first 
prompt might require me to push 3, the second prompt might require me to push 
1, etc.  It takes some trial/error to determine how many commas are placed 
between digits, but when done, all I have to do is activate the contact and 
wait as digits are automatically entered.  Different actions are needed at a 
particular point in my banks process, so I include only digits needed to that 
point; I can then manage to tap the required digit when prompted.

HTH
Katrina
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Peter 
Tesar
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu to always connect 
with the operator?

Hello,

I’m using the iPhone 14 and IOS 17.4.
My Contacts has two taxies and whenever I call one of them, a talking menu 
comes up. With each menu there is no option to remain on the line to be 
redirected to a live operator. The menu keeps repeating.
I have to enter the number zero for the operator.

In a noisy area, it is difficult to find the number (on the onscreen number 
pad), with VoiceOver and the menu talking at the same time.
Is there a way to have zero (or another number) pressed without having to use 
VoiceOver?

Peter T.
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RE: Question about iPhone case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Amazon is probably the best place as you can find literally dozens and dozens 
of different cases. I personally like the Tech 21 cases as they are thin but 
very tough.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

Do you have the phone number?
Just in case, where else can I buy a case?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?
I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the 
iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit.

www.atguys.com



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about iPhone case

Hello,

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.
I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

Rena
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RE: Question about iPhone case

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Almost funny, that is what I get for checking my email in a noisy environment!


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about iPhone case

They said, 6-S, not success!  The number 6 then the letter, S.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2024 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

What is a success?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 1:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

It’s a 6S.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

Which model was it? I have an iPhone 13 and I dropped it into a full sink of 
water with dish soap in it not too long ago and while I of course grabbed it 
right away and dried it off, it was completely submersed and there was no issue 
which of course makes sense since any of the phones in the past few years are 
waterproof. Apparently Apple has not made them Sauerkraut proof.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

It seems that the phone didn’t have the same opinion because it stopped working.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

What's wrong with pooring Sauerkraut on an iPhone? Just wipe it off and you are 
good to go 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Question about iPhone case

Hello,

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.
I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

Rena
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RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Richard, I send two messages to people I dealt with at Sonos back in 2009 when 
I ordered my first sonos equipment (guess keeping old emails can be a good 
thing).
One came back right away as undeliverable saying that no such person was found 
and of course that isn't surprising since that was almost 14 years ago and 
people do change jobs.
However, after that one came back I tried a message to another lady who back 
then was simply a customer service person and who sent me a "Welcome to the 
Sonos family" messagre. The nessage to her did not come back and about 30 
minutes later I received a reply even though it is Saturday afternoon. I had 
actually replied to that message from 15 years ago and she wrote:

Hi Sieghard,
Nice to hear from you again. I am still with Sonos, and I remember you. I’d 
love to hear your feedback.

I won't give her name or email on this list, but her signature now says she is 
"VP, Global Consumer Direct" so apparently she not only stuck with her career 
at Sonos, but also climbed the corporate ladder a bit. I sent her another 
message with some more information and the concerns we have as well as a link 
to Jonathan's article on his website. Let's see what happens.

And just for the fun of it, here is her email from 2009, I don't think 
customers get this treatment any more nowadays:
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: siegh...@telus.net
Subject: Welcome to the Sonos Family
Sieghard:
Thank you for your order. Welcome to the Sonos family!
Your new Sonos system should be a breeze to setup, but if you do have hiccups, 
our in-house support team is second to none. And they even work on Saturdays! 
Don't hesitate to contact them anytime.
Also, before getting started, you might want to review our Pre-Install 
checklist.
Superior & personalized customer service is our number one priority here at 
SONOS DIRECT. Please let us know how we can best serve you!

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RE: Caller ID Help Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As it should be.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Sieghard,

I don't want to use the call forwarding, I just noticed it was turned off too.

Janet
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

I would be careful with turning on Call Forward, many carriers charge for this 
and why would you want to forward your calls to begin with?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Sieghard,

I'm glad you just mentioned the calling forward, as I just now checked that, 
and I tried to turn that on as well, but to no avail either!
I just find all this strange though.

Janet

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

It is not in the Phone app, it is in Settings > Phone and it is towards the 
bottom and the exact name is "Show my caller Id, button". It is after Call 
Forwarding and Call Waiting.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

I did not find Caller ID in my phone app.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 11:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Hi,



I don't get the option to show my caller ID.

I go to settings, phone, caller ID, I tap on that, and I then get a message 
saying in progress but nothing changes. ,



Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 9:35 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.





1. Go to Settings, Tap Phone

2. Press Show My Caller ID

3. Use the toggle switch to show or hide your number



Apparently this does not work with Verizon






On May 2, 2024, at 6:51 PM, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > wrote:



Hi Carolyn,

What do you mean when you say your card?
I am talking about the caller ID on an iPhone.
I've had caller ID turned on my iPhone for over 5 years.
I accidentally   turned it off, now that I think of it.
So, are you saying you don't have caller ID on your phone?
What kind of a phone do you have?

Janet

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

On My Card, you can put your picture and name, but mine did not take 
just my name, and I'm not about to fool with dealing with a picture.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.

I looked and saw what you mentioned on my 10R and it said what yours 
said but mine doesn't have cellular.  My 13 doesn't offer Caller ID.

   - Original Message -
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   To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 2:49 PM
   Subject: Caller ID Help Please.


   Hi Everyone,



   Some way some how my caller ID has been turned off.

   When I call someone, they always ask why do I have my caller ID 
not shown.

   I went in to  settings, phone, caller ID, tap on show my caller 
ID, but all I get when I do that is a message says in progress.

   I can't seem to turn on my caller ID.

   Is there some way I can turn on my caller ID so when I call 
someone they will know the call is coming from me?

   I have a XR with 17.4.1.





   Thank you all.



   Janet



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RE: Caller ID Help Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As the article mentioned, instead of controlling it via the Settings app you 
use so-called short codes, e.g. *86 or whatever it may be. In any case, why or 
why not I can't answer, you would have to ask your carrier. Anyways, did you 
try the steps from the other article, turn Wi-Fi off, then turn on Airplane 
mode, then turn on Wi-Fi again and turn off airplane mode? It's simple enough 
and certainly doesn't require much effort so it's worth a shortt.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

Sieghard,

I do believe what you are saying, but I just can't imagine why a phone carrier 
wouldn't give that option  to their customers.
I think having a caller ID is important, and I thought all phone carriers 
offered this option.
Especially in this day and age, I find this quite surprising.
I know so many people who will not even answer their phone unless they know who 
is calling, and I am one of those people.
If I don't know who is calling, I just simply don't answer my phone, and I will 
wait to see if they leave a message, and if it is someone who I know, I will 
call them back.


Janet

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Caller ID Help Please.

There is no fix, it seems that Verizon and some other carrier simply don't make 
this available.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joseph 
hudson
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.

Then my best bet would be to call Verizon and see if they can fix this for you.

> On May 3, 2024, at 7:26 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, our land line is Voice Call, connected to the Internet.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Caller ID Help Please.
>
> Hi Carolyn, to fix this problem on your landline a call to Verizon is in 
> order. They can adjust your color ID settings where it will say your name 
> whenever you call your landline. The only way I don't think this can be 
> fixed, is if you're using one of those landline connect boxes.
>
>> On May 2, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I went into My Card and put my name in, yet, still mine will show Wireless 
>> Caller, when I call our landline. I'd like to know what to do about that 
>> too, Janet.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of janet gross
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 4:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Caller ID Help Please.
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Some way some how my caller ID has been turned off.
>>
>> When I call someone, they always ask why do I have my caller ID not shown.
>>
>> I went in to  settings, phone, caller ID, tap on show my caller ID, but all 
>> I get when I do that is a message says in progress.
>>
>> I can’t seem to turn on my caller ID.
>>
>> Is there some way I can turn on my caller ID so when I call someone they 
>> will know the call is coming from me?
>>
>> I have a XR with 17.4.1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Janet
>>
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