I think as iPhone users we really shouldn't complain, apple delivers updates to phones usually about 5 years back, but if they introduce something like Apple Intelligence which requires such massive amounts of computing power and probavbly also RAM, then to me that has nothing to do with planned obsolescence and it's no different than if a particular new feature requires specific hardware such as when Touch Id or Face Id was introduced or when you have features like measuring or determining how far you are from something which requires a LiDAR sensor. We should be glad that Apple at least still has some kind of standard with respect to privacy and they do as much as possible on device instead of just sending it up to the cloud where it is processed on some server.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will prove to be? Malcolm Parfitt > On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > That is what " planned obsolescence" means. Companies plan on a piece of > equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put > up with the reduced effectiveness... > > > > Richard, USA > "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than > a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or > you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. > Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > It's a way to sell more phones too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > Nope. > > Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple > Intelligence. I believe yours has the A16 chip. > > As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the > previous phone’s chip. So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 > pro and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and > 15 plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and > pro max got the new A17. > > So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and > pro max the A18… > > > > This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence. > > Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard, USA > > "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than > a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or > you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. > Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) > > > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com> > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple > intelligence? From Mich. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or > newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as > probably all this year's iPhone 16 models. > > Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular > iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones > the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year > before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the > iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received > the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and > 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 > Bionic from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro > and Pro Max received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is > that chip which seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. > This year the regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last > year and I assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum > requirements for Apple Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is > what they will be called will get the latest A18 chip. > > I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence > and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on > Pro phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My > 2-year contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may > just have to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it > can do and all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I > would have probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all > sounds just too cool and useful to pass it up. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Chela Robles > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is > gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be > getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge > since I have an iPhone 14. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com > <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I > have a feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of > course from the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments > where as soon as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what > it will have a year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which > typically happen in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and > again in early March. And then of course it is my understanding that the true > Apple Intelligence will require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for > many of us it may be years before we experience it all and by then of course > even more powerful hardware and advances in AI will even add more > functionality. One thing I am sure of is that in the next years we'll see a > lot of cool stuff around all the AI development and we'll benefit greatly > from it. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I > got one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.” > > Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X > years later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Tai Tomasi > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They > just separated it. > > Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. > > Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com <mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. > > > > On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: > > > > After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to > announce how Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was > disappointing to listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not > hear the word Siri or AI even once. 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