RE: Navigation App Recommendation

[MMMAT]

Thanks, all good options.  Now I need to try them out for myself to determine 
how easy they are to set up.
 
Mario Tobia
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Not to mention how long does the battery last?
 
Using Voice Vista or another app that lets you mark a location might make more 
sense.
Soundscape Community is another one based on Microsoft’s Soundscape.
They are both free.
 
 
 
 
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I wonder if air tags would go 200 yards.
 
 
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You’d think an air tag on the mailbox might help too maybe.
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: Navigation App Recommendation
 
 
Try Voice Vista and set up markers and beacons.
 
Eric 
 
 
On Feb 11, 2024, at 10:31 AM, MMMAT mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:
 
I have a friend that lives in a very rural area.  His problem is that it is 
quite a long walk from his trailer home to the mailbox and there are no paved 
roads where he is walking. The distance from his home to the mailbox is 
approximately 200 yards of unpaved roads.
 
Sometimes, he gets disoriented and is looking for an iPhone App that he can use 
to find the way to and from his home to the mailbox and back.  What are your 
recommendations based on your experiences using a navigation app for these 
purposes.  Something easy to set up and use is a priority.
 
Regards,
Mario 
 
 
 
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RE: Navigation App Recommendation

[MMMAT]

Air Tags are a good recommendation.  I am hoping for a free app that will do 
the job.
 
Mario Tobia
 
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I wonder if air tags would go 200 yards.
 
 
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You’d think an air tag on the mailbox might help too maybe.
 
 
 
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Try Voice Vista and set up markers and beacons.
 
Eric 
 
 
On Feb 11, 2024, at 10:31 AM, MMMAT mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:
 
I have a friend that lives in a very rural area.  His problem is that it is 
quite a long walk from his trailer home to the mailbox and there are no paved 
roads where he is walking. The distance from his home to the mailbox is 
approximately 200 yards of unpaved roads.
 
Sometimes, he gets disoriented and is looking for an iPhone App that he can use 
to find the way to and from his home to the mailbox and back.  What are your 
recommendations based on your experiences using a navigation app for these 
purposes.  Something easy to set up and use is a priority.
 
Regards,
Mario 
 
 
 
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RE: Navigation App Recommendation

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Thanks for the suggestion.  I will give them a try.
 
Mario 
 
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 10:48 AM
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Soundscape Community and AriadnGps 
Lyne



Le 11 févr. 2024 à 10:36, llump...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  a écrit :

I have been using blindsquare for yeare for years and find it very good for 
this purpose. You can set bread crumbs at each end of the route and blindsquare 
will talk you through the route.
The app sold for $30 or so when I bought it but I think it has gone up some 
since.
 
 
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I have a friend that lives in a very rural area.  His problem is that it is 
quite a long walk from his trailer home to the mailbox and there are no paved 
roads where he is walking. The distance from his home to the mailbox is 
approximately 200 yards of unpaved roads.
 
Sometimes, he gets disoriented and is looking for an iPhone App that he can use 
to find the way to and from his home to the mailbox and back.  What are your 
recommendations based on your experiences using a navigation app for these 
purposes.  Something easy to set up and use is a priority.
 
Regards,
Mario 
 
 
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Navigation App Recommendation

[MMMAT]

I have a friend that lives in a very rural area.  His problem is that it is 
quite a long walk from his trailer home to the mailbox and there are no paved 
roads where he is walking. The distance from his home to the mailbox is 
approximately 200 yards of unpaved roads.
 
Sometimes, he gets disoriented and is looking for an iPhone App that he can use 
to find the way to and from his home to the mailbox and back.  What are your 
recommendations based on your experiences using a navigation app for these 
purposes.  Something easy to set up and use is a priority.
 
Regards,
Mario 
 
 

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RE: PROBLEMS WITH SIRI ON THE IPHONE 15 PRO

[MMMAT]

I had the same problem on an iPhone 14 and have a friend who is experiencing 
the issue on an iPhone 13 mini.  I spoke to Apple Accessibility and they had me 
turn off Siri and then turn it back on.  When you turn it back on, it asks you 
to speak 5 phrases to train Siri on your voice.
 
It improved how Siri functioned, but the problem did not completely go away.  
Give this a try and let us know how you make out.
 
Regards,
Mario 
 
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I had the same problem with my 13, so I bought a 15 pro, and it still does the 
same thing.
 
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It was happening on the SE as well!
 
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Report this to Apple Accessibility.
 
 
 
 
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When I dictate a message on Siri, Siri begins to repeat it and then cuts off 
without reading my whole dictation. A few seconds later, Siri states the 
message fully. 
 
Any suggestions?
 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What's the difference between chat gpt and copilot?
 
No difference as far as I know, Copilot is an app from Microsoft which uses 
Chat GPT to generate answers.
 
 
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Hi,
 
I was going to install chat gpt in my iPhone when I read about copilot, and I 
have doubts what to choose.
 
Rena
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RE: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

[mmmat]

Thanks for the recommendation.  I will look into this model.

 

Mario 

 

 

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McKay
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 9:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Bluetooth Headset recommendation

 

I use the Aftershokz Bluetooth bone conduction wireless headset. I have an 
iPhone 7 Plus, and it pairs with it very very well. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 31, 2021, at 04:31, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I am in the market for a Bluetooth  earbud headset for my iPhone.  I am 
interested in some recommendation based on  personal experience.  

 

I am looking for a set of earbuds that is  around the neck style, easy to use, 
has very good battery life, has decent sounds quality and can be used for 
making and receiving phone calls.  I looked at the reviews of headsets on 
Amazon and I would like to get the purchase right the first time.

 

I had a set of Beats and was not impressed with the battery life.  It seamed 
that it would only last a few hours and it was more of a pain in the neck then 
it was worth.  I had a set of LG 780, that had great battery life, but device 
was not usable making and receiving phone calls.  I have tried Air Buds, but 
the battery life is too short and I am concerned about misplacing them to 
easily.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mario 

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Bluetooth Headset recommendation

[mmmat]

I am in the market for a Bluetooth  earbud headset for my iPhone.  I am 
interested in some recommendation based on  personal experience.  

 

I am looking for a set of earbuds that is  around the neck style, easy to use, 
has very good battery life, has decent sounds quality and can be used for 
making and receiving phone calls.  I looked at the reviews of headsets on 
Amazon and I would like to get the purchase right the first time.

 

I had a set of Beats and was not impressed with the battery life.  It seamed 
that it would only last a few hours and it was more of a pain in the neck then 
it was worth.  I had a set of LG 780, that had great battery life, but device 
was not usable making and receiving phone calls.  I have tried Air Buds, but 
the battery life is too short and I am concerned about misplacing them to 
easily.

 

Thanks in advance,

Mario 

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RE: IOS 15

[mmmat]

Before you do that, try waking up the phone first.  If the phone is asleep, it 
will not switch to speaker.  I hit the power button once and that wakes up the 
phone and then it will switch to speaker.  If you have a home button, try 
hitting that first then moving the phone away from your ear.

Hopefully that resolves your issue.

Mario 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:26 AM
To: viPhone 📩 
Subject: Re: IOS 15

Huh, if that don’t beat all.  Maybe I’ll try a reset and hope that resolves the 
problem with auto routing to the speaker!

If that does resolve the issue, I’ll be sure to note that to the list.

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> wrote:
> 
> I am not experiencing the issue with moving the phone away from my head and 
> it going to speaker.  It works fine on my 13 pro running iOS 15.1.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Sure, I will keep that in mind.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Mario 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

Hi, 

Another thought that might benefit your client.  I often use Aftershokz 
bluetooth bone induction headphones with my iphone. I have the "titanium" model 
which are very light and very comfortable to wear. I often forget I am wearing 
them. The behind the head band keeps these in place and secure. I believe there 
are even newer and lighter models as well.

With these headphones, I can answer a phone call with one press of an easy to 
reach fairly large button on one of the arms. The microphone in the headphones 
picks up my conversation well and another press of that button hangs up the 
phone. 

Perhaps this would work for the client. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB



On Oct 22, 2020, at 3:41 PM, mmmat  wrote:

That is a possibility. I am going to try to have him use Siri to call back a 
missed call first.  If that does not work for him, then I will have him try  
using voice control next, and if he still struggles, I will suggest the 
around-the neck Bluetooth or the Auto Answer Call option.

All good alternatives, just need to find the one he likes best.

Mario 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.



I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.



Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.



Mario 







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone



For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone



Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!





 Forwarded Message  

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 



I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.



So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I

RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

That is a possibility. I am going to try to have him use Siri to call back a 
missed call first.  If that does not work for him, then I will have him try  
using voice control next, and if he still struggles, I will suggest the 
around-the neck Bluetooth or the Auto Answer Call option.

All good alternatives, just need to find the one he likes best.

Mario 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

If he had the around-the neck Bluetooth with telescopic earbuds, he'd have them 
on all the time. A lot of practice might get it for him, you think? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mmmat
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.

 

I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.

 

Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.

 

Mario 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

Live long and prosper 🖖 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of doug 
parisian
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone

 

Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!

 



 Forwarded Message  

Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone

Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500

From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 

To: 

Daniel MacDonald  
<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 

 

I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.

 

So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > >> wrote: >> >> There is no speak 
> command to answer the phone. There is an auto >> answer setting you can 
> enable but that means it's going to answer >> whether he's by the phone or 
> not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only 
> way unless he can learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer 
> without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could 
> try turning o

RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Yeah.  You can not use Siri to answer the call, but you can use it to call 
back.  I like it.  It is simple and a workable solution.

 

Thanks to the group for all your ideas, it gave me some other options and 
helped me to think through the process better.

 

Mario 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Using SIRI to call back is a good option.  I don’t know how many times that I 
have tried to call a sighted person and was in the process of leaving them a 
voice mail when they called me back.  It is not just a blind thing being to 
slow to answer a call.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 
signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

From: mmmat <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:54 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Interesting.  I will review the auto answer with him.  Maybe if it is a 30 or 
60 second delay, it might work for him.  Another good option.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

I just checked the Auto answer settings. You can set it to auto answer between 
3 and 60 seconds. 

The setting is under settings, accessibility, touch.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

 

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Having voiceover on is too demanding on him.  Too confusing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

What is really stopping him having voiceover on?

 

Just doesn’t want it or it will cause confusion for him?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of mmmat
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2020 1:54 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

He does not really have enough vision for Zoom.  Part of the issue is that he 
responds slowly and when he hears the phone, then finds it, then makes any 
gestors to answer the call, it goes to voice mail.

 

I did have another thought.  After he misses his call, he can ask SIRI to call 
back.  Assuming that it is someone he knows or someone in his contact list, 
Siri will perform a call back.

 

Not the greatest option, but maybe a doable solution.

 

Mario 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Answering iPhone

 

Have you considered voice control? Since  your client has some sight it could 
be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well as I, and others I 
presoom, would like. But for low vision users, their is also Zoom which from 
what people tell me, works quite well. I am totally blind, so cannot vouch for 
how well or not, Zoom works. 

Daniel

 





On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

There is no speak command to answer the phone.

There is an auto answer setting you can enable but that means it's going to 
answer whether he's by the phone or not.

Not my first choice.

Otherwise I think voiceover gesture is the only way unless he can learn where 
to touch his finger and slide to answer without voiceover.

Sadly, Siri will not read emails.

I suppose you could try turning on speak screen, but he would have to be able 
to open the email first, and that does not sound possible. So  I would write 
Apple accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to read 
emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from the start and is 
stupid in my opinion that it does not.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available.

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

 

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RE: Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Thanks for all your responses.  I just don’t  think that having head phones or 
ear buds will work.  That means that he will either have them on all the time 
or quickly put them on when he gets a call.  I don’t think he will be able to 
react that quickly to answer the call.

 

I tried to show him how to quickly turn on voice over when he receives a call 
and then do a two finger double tap.  Again, too much for him to do in a short 
period of time.

 

Voice command  is an interesting  possibility.  I will experiment with this 
some to check out the feasibility.

 

Mario 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering iPhone

 

For many uses, Voice Control works fine with VoiceOver if you are using 
headphones.

Otherwise, there are some issues with it hearing VoiceOver and confusing it.

The bottom line in  this use case though is I do not think it will help for 
answering the phone.

I would like to be wrong about that.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Subject: Fwd: Answering iPhone

 

Sorry gentle readers, this message was supposed to go to the entire group, must 
be a flaw in human software!

 



 Forwarded Message  


Subject: 

Re: Answering iPhone


Date: 

Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:54:48 -0500


From: 

doug parisian  <mailto:eggm...@shaw.ca> 


To: 

Daniel MacDonald  <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 


 

I have read several messages claiming voice control works poorly with 
voiceover.  In fact, this is logical when not using any external listening 
devices.  The mike is constantly listening and so may react in unexpected ways 
to a word or phrase spoken by Voiceover.

 

So, if you want/need to use voice control, do so with an external device with a 
microphone.  I love voice control for many situations and only wish it could be 
used to activate features of programs once opened.


On 2020-10-21 6:11 p.m., Daniel MacDonald wrote:
> Have you considered voice control? Since your client has some sight > it 
> could be useful. Sadly, it does not work with VoiceOver as well > as I, and 
> others I presoom, would like. But for low vision users, > their is also Zoom 
> which from what people tell me, works quite well. > I am totally blind, so 
> cannot vouch for how well or not, Zoom works. > Daniel > > >> On Oct 21, 
> 2020, at 7:34 PM, Richard Turner >>  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>   <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> >> wrote: >> >> There is no speak 
> command to answer the phone. There is an auto >> answer setting you can 
> enable but that means it's going to answer >> whether he's by the phone or 
> not. Not my first choice. Otherwise I >> think voiceover gesture is the only 
> way unless he can learn where >> to touch his finger and slide to answer 
> without voiceover. Sadly, >> Siri will not read emails. I suppose you could 
> try turning on >> speak screen, but he would have to be able to open the 
> email >> first, and that does not sound possible. So I would write Apple >> 
> accessibility as well as call them and ask about getting Siri to >> read 
> emails. This is the one feature that it should've had from >> the start and 
> is stupid in my opinion that it does not. >> >> >> >> >> Richard "He that 
> cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which >> he must pass himself,” 
> and we forget that only grace can break the >> cycle of ancient hatreds among 
> peoples. (It is notable that while I >> have regretted not granting grace to 
> others, I’ve never once >> regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >> >>> 
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:12 PM, mmmat  <mailto:mmm...@comcast.net> 
&

Answering iPhone

[mmmat]

Hi Group,

 

I am working with an individual that is very low vision and is also suffering 
from a mild case of dementia and he gets overwhelmed easily.  He is using an 
iPhone 8 and I am very reluctant to turn on voice over.  I think it will be too 
difficult for him to remember the voiceover commands.

 

There are two immediate  things that I want to accomplish with him using the 
Hey Siri command or any other speaking options if available. 

 

First is there an easy way to answer a incoming phone call without being able 
to see the screen.  Second, we were able to successfully send an email message 
using the Hey Siri command.  Is there a way to have Siri read and email message 
aloud.  Every  time I ask Siri to read my email messages, it only tells me the 
name of the sender and the subject line and does not read the actual email 
message.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Mario 

 

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Go Go Grandparent

[mmmat]

Go Go Grandparent was designed for people who do not have a smart phone or are 
not tech savvy enough to use such a device to order Uber or Lyft.  They could 
have done a better job with the name, they are capitalizing on the stereo type 
that older people are not tech savvy.

 

Mario 

 

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sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 10:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone number for Uber?

 

GO Go Grandparent is not only for seniors.  I know it is available for disabled 
people of all ages.  I don’t know if they have any restrictions on who can use 
them at all.  I must say whoever came up with that name wasn’t thinking…

 

Sherry Wells

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Georgie Mac
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:06 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Phone number for Uber?

 

So it is directed to the 65 and above?  I wouldn't qualify for that myself but 
I am sure that there are many that would be interested in knowing that bit of 
information.  I use uber all the time and luckily i haven't had any issues.  
This conversation is so enlightening.  I am curious for such a majorly big 
business how is it they stay in business if they don't make it easy for their 
customers to handle their their disputes in a timely manner?  

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 8:00:41 AM UTC-5, Kathy Brandt wrote:

There are some automated processes you can use for disputing through the app, 
but if your issue doesn’t fit into their categories, it’s not easy, 
particularly with Lyft, where it can be hit and miss operating the combo boxes, 
finding any place at all where you can write, and fulfilling the capcha in a 
timely manner. Just so that I can write with either of these places, I have 
just hijacked a category, explaining that, say, I haven’t lost anything, but 
there was nowhere else I could find to write to explain my situation, and such 
and such happened; a few times I’ve even said that these places need to make it 
easier to right in about problems.


On Feb 11, 2020, at 1:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > 
wrote:

Just dispute it via the app.

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:09 PM
To: VIPhone  >
Subject: Phone number for Uber?

 

Does anyone have a phone number to contact Uber? I have tried for over and hour 
to get a dispute lodged over an excessive fare on my ride earlier and am ready 
to scream. So please take pity on me if you have such a number.

Thanks,

Marie

 

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RE: Repeating iCloud "Approval Request sent" message

[mmmat]

I recently had the same issue.  The verification code was going to my Apple 
Watch and I could not retrieve the code from that device.  I ended up shutting 
off my watch and then the code came to my iPhone and I was able to activate 
iCloud.

Give that a shot.

Mario 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Repeating iClaoud "Approval Request sent" message

It sounds like you have two factor authentication turned on.
You may not have a choice any longer to use that.
Call Apple Accessibility, and ask them about Two Factor Authentication and if 
there is a way to turn it off, or have them explain how to use it if your only 
other device is an Apple Watch.


Richard

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Subject: Repeating iClaoud "Approval Request sent" message

A few weeks ago, I went to the Apple Store to get a replacement battery for my 
iPhone 8. Due to some problem that wasn't really explained, I got a replacement 
phone for the cost of the battery. Ever since then, about every other day, a 
message pops up on my phone that says, "Approval Request Sent". It says to 
continue using iCloud on my phone, I need to do something or other with another 
Apple device, or type in some sort of code. The only other Apple device I have 
is an Apple Watch. I know nothing at all about any code that would resolve this 
problem. Apple Accessibility was no help, because when I left the "approval 
request sent" message on the screen, I could not accept a screenshare request 
from the representative I was speaking with. I would appreciate any suggestions.

Kathy Blackburn
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RE: Can't Delete Voicemail

[mmmat]

I am assuming that you have an iPhone. Try going into settings and turn on 
Airplane mode, then try deleting your voice mail.  I had that problem a few 
weeks back and that did it for me.  I don’t remember where I heard it but that 
solution allowed me to remove the voice mail messages from my phone.  Remember 
when you are done to turn airplane mode back off.

 

Mario 

 

 

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Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can't Delete Voicemail

 

Call your carrier and ask if they can get rid of them, voice mail is controlled 
by your provider.

 

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Subject: Can't Delete Voicemail

 

I have an iPhone 8 and there are 3 entries in my voicemail that I cannot 
delete.  I believe that they are scam calls.  No matter what I do, they keep 
showing up when I go into visual voicemail in the Phone app. Any suggestions?

 

Andy

 

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