RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[dan Thompson]

The sentence is questionable and I wonder of this person’s genuineness.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:19 AM
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Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

 


Hello,

 

 I kept interest in the company and found this message. I thought it would be 
nice to share with you people.

 

"Thank you very much for your interest in the Dot smartwatch. Our team has 
working hard to develop a master piece. And due to few remain tech issues such 
as water-dust protection, we are still in the development phase yet. 
Simultaneously, we have doing a lot of pilot tests of the dot smartwatch with 
local users these days.

Since we are developing an entirely new product, there were many technological 
obstacles, however we overcame most of them until now, and we forecast to 
overcome few remain issues until the next spring, and prepare to release the 
dot smart watch on upcoming summer. We would sincerely ask your patience and 
understand of this extremely hard new development path.

We want to make a product that you would truly satisfy. If you have any ideas 
of functions or suggestions, Please let us know. And for sure, we will keep 
update our progress to you.

The DOT Team"

 This is the exact message.

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Gianni]

Beautiful project. Do they have a web page?


Gianni

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> Op 22-dec.-2015 om 10:18 heeft Ah rum Choi  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  I kept interest in the company and found this message. I thought it would be 
> nice to share with you people.
> 
> "Thank you very much for your interest in the Dot smartwatch. Our team has 
> working hard to develop a master piece. And due to few remain tech issues 
> such as water-dust protection, we are still in the development phase yet. 
> Simultaneously, we have doing a lot of pilot tests of the dot smartwatch with 
> local users these days.
> 
> Since we are developing an entirely new product, there were many 
> technological obstacles, however we overcame most of them until now, and we 
> forecast to overcome few remain issues until the next spring, and prepare to 
> release the dot smart watch on upcoming summer. We would sincerely ask your 
> patience and understand of this extremely hard new development path.
> 
> We want to make a product that you would truly satisfy. If you have any ideas 
> of functions or suggestions, Please let us know. And for sure, we will keep 
> update our progress to you.
> The DOT Team"
>  This is the exact message.
> Thanks
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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Ah rum Choi]

Hello,

 I kept interest in the company and found this message. I thought it would 
be nice to share with you people.

"Thank you very much for your interest in the Dot smartwatch. Our team has 
working hard to develop a master piece. And due to few remain tech issues 
such as water-dust protection, we are still in the development phase yet. 
Simultaneously, we have doing a lot of pilot tests of the dot smartwatch 
with local users these days.

Since we are developing an entirely new product, there were many 
technological obstacles, however we overcame most of them until now, and we 
forecast to overcome few remain issues until the next spring, and prepare 
to release the dot smart watch on upcoming summer. We would sincerely ask 
your patience and understand of this extremely hard new development path.

We want to make a product that you would truly satisfy. If you have any 
ideas of functions or suggestions, Please let us know. And for sure, we 
will keep update our progress to you.

The DOT Team"

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Paul Richard McGann]

what is email contact? I can ask questions. thank you1


From: Ah rum Choi 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:18 AM
To: VIPhone 
Cc: richardturne...@outlook.com 
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


Hello, 

I kept interest in the company and found this message. I thought it would be 
nice to share with you people.

"Thank you very much for your interest in the Dot smartwatch. Our team has 
working hard to develop a master piece. And due to few remain tech issues such 
as water-dust protection, we are still in the development phase yet. 
Simultaneously, we have doing a lot of pilot tests of the dot smartwatch with 
local users these days.

Since we are developing an entirely new product, there were many technological 
obstacles, however we overcame most of them until now, and we forecast to 
overcome few remain issues until the next spring, and prepare to release the 
dot smart watch on upcoming summer. We would sincerely ask your patience and 
understand of this extremely hard new development path.

We want to make a product that you would truly satisfy. If you have any ideas 
of functions or suggestions, Please let us know. And for sure, we will keep 
update our progress to you.

The DOT Team"

This is the exact message.

Thanks

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Ah rum Choi]

Hello, 

 Thank you for your clarification. My misunderstanding seems to have made a 
problem, and am sorry for it. And just out of curiosity, even though its 
not water proof, people can take them off for some time if the want to go 
in the water no? IT would be a problem of awareness, not of the product 
which is what I believe. If you don't agree, please spare some time t 
explain the problems to me. I would like to know well about it before 
giving it as a gift to my friend. Thanks for your kind reply and 
clarification :)
 Hope you have a nice day

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This all sounds good, and I'm duley impressed;  though no sign of the link or 
producer is left in this msg.  Can original details be 
forwarded so we can take a closer look, this is most promising.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ah rum Choi" <ckwhn...@gmail.com>
To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: <richardturne...@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


Well, from further research, it can easily be found that the 4 cell display
is enough. It seems that the braille passes by the finger which we would
feel. It's like one of those electric signs that have texts moving
automatically. I would love to give this watch to my blind friend for his
birthday, I think he will love it. I also found the company very nice, they
kindly answered all my questions which I sent by email.

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

While we're on this theme, how waterproof is it in the rain;  this is where one 
is most likely to find it limiting.  Other 
situations are that you should remove your watch, as we did in the old days.  
This is like common sense, which is getting less 
common by the year.

BobH.
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To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: <richardturne...@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


Hello,

 Thank you for your clarification. My misunderstanding seems to have made a
problem, and am sorry for it. And just out of curiosity, even though its
not water proof, people can take them off for some time if the want to go
in the water no? IT would be a problem of awareness, not of the product
which is what I believe. If you don't agree, please spare some time t
explain the problems to me. I would like to know well about it before
giving it as a gift to my friend. Thanks for your kind reply and
clarification :)
 Hope you have a nice day

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Devin Prater]

Well, I contacted them from their not-so-accessible website... Yeah, it might 
be real, but they can't even tell me anything about it yet, so I'll wait until 
it gets popular to even think about it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:18 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> This all sounds good, and I'm duley impressed;  though no sign of the link or 
> producer is left in this msg.  Can original details be 
> forwarded so we can take a closer look, this is most promising.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ah rum Choi" <ckwhn...@gmail.com>
> To: "VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:13 AM
> Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?
> 
> 
> Well, from further research, it can easily be found that the 4 cell display
> is enough. It seems that the braille passes by the finger which we would
> feel. It's like one of those electric signs that have texts moving
> automatically. I would love to give this watch to my blind friend for his
> birthday, I think he will love it. I also found the company very nice, they
> kindly answered all my questions which I sent by email.
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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Richard Turner]

Here is some more information about the Braille Smart watch.

After the link to their web site, I copied the frequently asked questions and 
their contact information.  There are forms on their web site for signing up 
for the contact list, newsletter, and preordering before Christmas.

 

http://fingerson.strikingly.com/

 

We have received many questions regarding our Braille smart watch lately. 

So for this month’s newsletter we decided to put together a little Q & A.

1. Does the Braille smart watch support both iOS and Android devices?

Yes, our product is supported by both iOS and Android.

2. Can the watch work without being connected to a mobile device?

The watch will have to be connected to a mobile device in order to receive 
notifications. However, you will be able to check the time without the watch 
being connected.

3. Can I pre-order the watch?

If you would like to pre-order our product please consider leaving your phone 
number, address, country of residence, and quantity desired at 
www.dotincorp.com under the section “Join our pre-order list”.

4. I would like to beta test the smart watch.

Dot Incorporation greatly appreciates your willingness to support us by testing 
the Braille smart watch. We value all of our customers and we will do our best 
to allow you test the product.

There are a few options for testing:

-> For NGOs and organizations, please contact us via email and tell us how many 
units you would like and where the office is located and we shall contact you 
as soon as possible

-> For individuals we will do our best to arrange a meeting closest to your 
residence. Please tell us via email the   place of your residence and we 
will reply as soon as possible with a proposed solution.

-> For groups, please tell us via email how many units you need, where the 
trial will be conducted, and although not required, your past experience in 
testing products and we will be in contact shortly.

5. Do you have a video about your product?

Please check out the video filmed by Arirang TV:

Bizline - Dot, Making Braille Accessible Through Cheap Smart Device 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmpl81WmFSo

Captions are available in the comment section.

6. Can you read e-books on your device?

Yes. Although e-books can be read using the DOT we understand that this may not 
be the most convenient option. To address this we are currently in the process 
of designing a DOT pad to encourage user’s literacy and give access to 
additional information. This DOT pad will give user access to data such as 
mathematics, shapes, and lengthy e-texts.

Video

Watch on www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com> 

 

 

Please feel free to reach us at

E-mail: d...@dotincorp.com

Twitter: smartdotbraille

YouTube: watch v=zmpl81WmFSo

Facebook: dotsmartbraillewatch

 

HTH,

Richard

 

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Scott Dollar]

Hi again,

I need to clarify to you.  Please understand the point.  The main point is that 
the braille inside the watch can’t be water proof.  If someone wants to use it 
go down in a deeper water, this is not safe for the braille display.  That is 
what they have alread told me last month.

Hope this help you.

Respectful,

Scott


From: Ah rum Choi 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:49 PM
To: VIPhone 
Cc: richardturne...@outlook.com 
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

Hum.. a little weird. I asked them just a few days ago and hey told me for the 
moment they are developing it. They said they are going develop the water proof 
part. Although they did say that putting inside the water for some time isn't a 
good idea. Why don't we just email them again? They do answer kindly...

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Scott Dollar]

Hi,

I do not think it is using Apple watch.  My understanding is that braille 
smartwatch is an arnoid related.

Just for your information is that the braille smartwatch is not a water proof.  
That is what the dot incorp has informed to me about it because I have already 
asked about it.

Hope this help you.

Scott


From: Ah rum Choi 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:13 PM
To: VIPhone 
Cc: richardturne...@outlook.com 
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

Well, from further research, it can easily be found that the 4 cell display is 
enough. It seems that the braille passes by the finger which we would feel. 
It's like one of those electric signs that have texts moving automatically. I 
would love to give this watch to my blind friend for his birthday, I think he 
will love it. I also found the company very nice, they kindly answered all my 
questions which I sent by email.  

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Ah rum Choi]

Hum.. a little weird. I asked them just a few days ago and hey told me for 
the moment they are developing it. They said they are going develop the 
water proof part. Although they did say that putting inside the water for 
some time isn't a good idea. Why don't we just email them again? They do 
answer kindly...

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Ah rum Choi]

Well, from further research, it can easily be found that the 4 cell display 
is enough. It seems that the braille passes by the finger which we would 
feel. It's like one of those electric signs that have texts moving 
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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Brent Harding]

I wonder if it would be able to take calls from an iPhone that is using Wifi 
calling? That is an undocumented limitation of the Apple Watch. It will not 
ring unless your phone is on cellular only when it comes to phone calls. I 
figured that out in the rain at a restaurant trying to find my Uber car that 
the thing rang for the first time.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Dollar 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:30 PM
  Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


  Hi,

  I do not think it is using Apple watch.  My understanding is that braille 
smartwatch is an arnoid related.

  Just for your information is that the braille smartwatch is not a water 
proof.  That is what the dot incorp has informed to me about it because I have 
already asked about it.

  Hope this help you.

  Scott


  From: Ah rum Choi 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 10:13 PM
  To: VIPhone 
  Cc: richardturne...@outlook.com 
  Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

  Well, from further research, it can easily be found that the 4 cell display 
is enough. It seems that the braille passes by the finger which we would feel. 
It's like one of those electric signs that have texts moving automatically. I 
would love to give this watch to my blind friend for his birthday, I think he 
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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Alex Stone]

Carla, with you all the way there. I can't understand why anyone who is 
a Braille wouldn't want a Braille smart watch.

Cheers
Alex

On 16/08/2015 10:24, Carla Savage wrote:

Hi,
Well, I for one will be doing further research on this.  It's the case of 
different strokes for different folks.

I love braille and am currently typing this on a Seika Mini.  'so for me, 
having the abbility to privately read things whilst on the go is really 
important.  Although i could carry my Seika around with me, I don't as I am 
concerned about getting it damaged by the weather or knocking it whilst 
travelling. It's fine when I'm out and about whilst sitting somewhere. Still, I 
will wait and see what happens. I'd love to try one out.
Best,
Carla.
  


Sent from my iPhone


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Richard I am not the moderator but I think so long as there is a connection 
with iDevices then it should be fine to post such information. Keep them coming 
for now until they ask you to stop.

On 15 Aug 2015, at 18:34, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

My apologies to the list for introducing this topic.
I forgot how too many people like to go off the deep end with no information 
and waste everyone's time with their speculations and condemnations.

I thought the rules of this list was that if you don't have anything of 
substance to contribute to a topic, you should remain silent.

1.   I will delete all messages on this topic from now on.

2.  I will not post anything about potential new devices ever again.

Richard

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Carla Savage]

Hi, 
Well, I for one will be doing further research on this.  It's the case of 
different strokes for different folks.  

I love braille and am currently typing this on a Seika Mini.  'so for me, 
having the abbility to privately read things whilst on the go is really 
important.  Although i could carry my Seika around with me, I don't as I am 
concerned about getting it damaged by the weather or knocking it whilst 
travelling. It's fine when I'm out and about whilst sitting somewhere. Still, I 
will wait and see what happens. I'd love to try one out. 
Best, 
Carla. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

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 Richard I am not the moderator but I think so long as there is a connection 
 with iDevices then it should be fine to post such information. Keep them 
 coming for now until they ask you to stop.
 On 15 Aug 2015, at 18:34, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 My apologies to the list for introducing this topic.
 I forgot how too many people like to go off the deep end with no information 
 and waste everyone's time with their speculations and condemnations.
 
 I thought the rules of this list was that if you don't have anything of 
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 1.   I will delete all messages on this topic from now on.
 
 2.  I will not post anything about potential new devices ever again.
 
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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Richard Turner]

My apologies to the list for introducing this topic.
I forgot how too many people like to go off the deep end with no information 
and waste everyone's time with their speculations and condemnations.

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure that's a list rule or not, but even if it were, one 
person's substance is another person's fluff. I am pretty sure that this 
whole subject of a braille watch, given that it isn't an iDevice and 
that it doesn't interface with an iDevice is off topic for this list 
right from the get go, and I'm sure off topic posts are frowned on.


On 08/15/2015 12:34 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

My apologies to the list for introducing this topic.
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Richard



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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Kerri G]

Now who is the one condemning us for expressing opinions? I think the watch may 
or may not be good and our countries express the allowances of freedom of 
speech so I say let’s have at it.


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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Devin Prater]

If you've read about all this tech that people have brought out of their head, 
like that lovely $300 20-cell display people were talking about, that always 
wind up never actually being made, you'd see why I'm reluctant to embrace any 
cheap braille talk like this. Yes I love braille. I wouldn't be typing in 
braille on my phone and hoping to save up for any braille display I can get if 
I didn't. The fact is though, I've seen plenty projects to help us poor blind 
people come and go, and have learned not to get my hopes up. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'd suggest you do a bit more research before jumping to such conclusions. I 
 doubt you have any idea whether this company worked with blind people in the 
 research and development of this product or not. Your comments seem to 
 indicate that you haven't done much reading on this device, and obviously, 
 you haven't seen it in action yet.
 
 As others have said, a 12 or 14 cell braille display won't be as mobile as a 
 watch. Just because you don't see how such a device would be useful doesn't 
 mean there aren't others out there who wouldn't find this device beneficial.
 
 Luckily there are smart engineers out there who don't listen to such 
 uninformed negativity and don't just assume it's impossible to come up with a 
 braille smart watch. It's a good thing Apple engineers didn't listen to all 
 of the blind nay sayers who said a touch screen could never be used by the 
 blind. For me, I say put your smart guys on it, bring me your good ideas, and 
 I'll buy it if I think it's worth it or I'll move on if I don't. Either way, 
 all blind people will have more options and more choices.
 
 
 On 08/14/2015 12:01 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual
 blind people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself
 look incredibly stupid.
 Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device
 for mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go
 down? Make a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll
 gain my respect as Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we
 must be apart in the digital age.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
 that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
 imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
 there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine
 how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be
 efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is
 low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical
 that this will prove useful. It seems easier to just leave a small
 braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, if braille
 is important to you. After all, would that not provide the same kind
 of silent notification/reply options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
 mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
 free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
 have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
 smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
 in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
 richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com
 wrote:
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display
 on your wrist?
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
 also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
 Richard
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20
 cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell
 display for.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 *To:* ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in
 an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought
 some folks might be interested

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I've read about plenty of promising devices that never came to fruition, 
both for the blind and the general public, but a healthy degree of 
skepticism is quite a bit different then calling a company stupid for 
trying to put out an innovative product, assuming with absolutely no 
information that a company never worked with any blind people and 
writing off a device without looking into more about it or taking it for 
a spin yourself. I also have a few products that lived up to the initial 
promises, and for me, I'd rather keep an open mind then just assume 
every promise will lead to disappointment.


On 08/15/2015 07:28 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

If you've read about all this tech that people have brought out of their head, like that lovely 
$300 20-cell display people were talking about, that always wind up never actually being made, 
you'd see why I'm reluctant to embrace any cheap braille talk like this. Yes I love 
braille. I wouldn't be typing in braille on my phone and hoping to save up for any braille display 
I can get if I didn't. The fact is though, I've seen plenty projects to help us poor 
blind people come and go, and have learned not to get my hopes up.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I'd suggest you do a bit more research before jumping to such conclusions. I 
doubt you have any idea whether this company worked with blind people in the 
research and development of this product or not. Your comments seem to indicate 
that you haven't done much reading on this device, and obviously, you haven't 
seen it in action yet.

As others have said, a 12 or 14 cell braille display won't be as mobile as a 
watch. Just because you don't see how such a device would be useful doesn't 
mean there aren't others out there who wouldn't find this device beneficial.

Luckily there are smart engineers out there who don't listen to such uninformed 
negativity and don't just assume it's impossible to come up with a braille 
smart watch. It's a good thing Apple engineers didn't listen to all of the 
blind nay sayers who said a touch screen could never be used by the blind. For 
me, I say put your smart guys on it, bring me your good ideas, and I'll buy it 
if I think it's worth it or I'll move on if I don't. Either way, all blind 
people will have more options and more choices.



On 08/14/2015 12:01 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual
blind people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself
look incredibly stupid.
Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device
for mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go
down? Make a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll
gain my respect as Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we
must be apart in the digital age.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine
how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be
efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is
low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical
that this will prove useful. It seems easier to just leave a small
braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, if braille
is important to you. After all, would that not provide the same kind
of silent notification/reply options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.

On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.




On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com
wrote:

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display
on your wrist?
I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
Richard
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
Let’s think this out.  At 4

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[christopher hallsworth]

Richard I am not the moderator but I think so long as there is a connection 
with iDevices then it should be fine to post such information. Keep them coming 
for now until they ask you to stop.
 On 15 Aug 2015, at 18:34, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 My apologies to the list for introducing this topic.
 I forgot how too many people like to go off the deep end with no information 
 and waste everyone's time with their speculations and condemnations.
 
 I thought the rules of this list was that if you don't have anything of 
 substance to contribute to a topic, you should remain silent.
 
 1.   I will delete all messages on this topic from now on.
 
 2.  I will not post anything about potential new devices ever again.
 
 Richard
 
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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Some of these whacky inventions seem more aimed to make us look incredibly 
stupid.  But occasionally,  someone gets it right, all be 
it in a way they didn't anticipate, or even intend.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual blind 
people before making something, or all you'll do is make 
yourself look incredibly stupid.
Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device for 
mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make 
the price go down? Make a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and 
you'll gain my respect as Apple has. But until then, 
braille, my precious, we must be apart in the digital age.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that 
 four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces 
 don't matter, imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? 
 Unless there's an ingenious panning solution in this 
 watch, I can't imagine how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times 
 would be efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this 
 thing out, as the price is low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm 
 also very skeptical that this will prove useful. It 
 seems easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or 
 over your shoulder, if braille is important to you. 
 After all, would that not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply 
 options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or 
 cane, you have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read 
 your smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or 
 Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and 
 technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?

 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 Richard

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 
 20-cell display for.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an 
 Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I 
 thought some folks might be interested.

 The link to the article is at the end.

 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015

 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only 
 slowed down the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired 
 their reading literacy, cutting them off from most 
 information that isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found 
 workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to 
 the age of smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in 
 the last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could 
 also be used as an educational tool.

 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that 
 voice, which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”

 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It 
 links up

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ain't this the truth, thanks for mentioning.  I like to contemplate it,  even 
work through solutions and invent stuff in my own 
mind;  it takes them a while to catch up with my idea, or time for me to get to 
hear that someone got there already.
They reckon a Russian also invented a steam engine at the same time as James 
Watt, but quite independently.
Makes you wonder whether good ideas travel telepathicly to seed themselves in 
disparate places.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, grin, 
if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, 
you have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart 
watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back 
or voice over.
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which 
hardly anyone knows anything about science and 
technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?

 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not 
 going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 Richard

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
 back in the price range of what you can get a 
 20-cell display for.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I 
 thought some folks might be interested.

 The link to the article is at the end.

 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015

 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed 
 down the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their 
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most 
 information that isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found 
 workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the 
 age of smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the 
 last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also 
 be used as an educational tool.

 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, 
 which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”

 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It 
 links up with Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their 
 braille letter equivalents with the user’s voice 
 commands. The device can last for five days without stopping to charge.

 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is 
 slated to cost less than $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have 
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, 
 programming them to display information that regularly changes, such as 
 account balances or train schedules. After the wearable’s 
 launch in December, the startup will shift  towards the public sector, which 
 it anticipates could be its largest market.

 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch 
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I thought 4 cells didn't sound enough, but folk used to love the opticon, and 
that was only one finger-tips worth of image, and folk 
read print with it.
The device would need a rolling scroll, variable speed no doubt,  to coordinate 
to the speed you'd run your finger over a line of 
braile. Press and hold a button to make it scroll, take finger off button to 
make it stop. A reversal of the norm,holding the finger 
still and moving the text, instead of the other way round.
Tele-type and early digital displays used to do this, with scrolling news 
headlines, punctuated by very succinct ads. It would work!

BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that four 
cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't 
matter, imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless 
there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I 
can't imagine how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be 
efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as 
the price is low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very 
skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems easier to 
just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, 
if braille is important to you. After all, would that 
not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply options that a smart 
watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, 
 you have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your 
 smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back 
 or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and 
 technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?

 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 Richard

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 
 20-cell display for.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I 
 thought some folks might be interested.

 The link to the article is at the end.

 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015

 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed 
 down the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their 
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most 
 information that isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found 
 workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to 
 the age of smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in 
 the last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could 
 also be used as an educational tool.

 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that 
 voice, which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”

 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise

RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[SSEric]

I wonder how much of the information in the article can be trusted. Maybe
the author is just ignorant but the blind has Seri read to them? Not a whole
lot; VoiceOver does the reading.

 

E

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Now if this company is actually real, more real than that laughable braigo
crap that's been around for years but hasn't done a thing, then I might just
have to look into this. But as I said before, they need to make an
inexpensive braille display before they get to my heart. The watch will
only be a piece of bread in my belly. The display, though, will be the meat
and cheese.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com
wrote:

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email
I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might
be interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy,
cutting them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some
tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or
creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They
created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches,
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example,
you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is
impersonal, Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. Wouldn't you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend's voice
saying it in your head?

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise
or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth
to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter
equivalents with the user's voice commands. The device can last for five
days without stopping to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers,
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have
tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them
to display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or
train schedules. After the wearable's launch in December, the startup will
shift  towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest
market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I was definitely put off by how the article characterizes blind people's use of 
touch screen devices. It suggests that the author doesn't know much about how 
effectively blind people actually use them. Whether the people who built the 
watch share this ignorance is impossible to tell from the article. I was really 
skeptical of the Bookworm, an eight-cell braille display, until I saw one, at 
which point I was a lot more impressed than I thought I would be. So I wouldn't 
consider buying one of these watches unless I'd had a chance to see one in 
action or heard from experienced blind people that it was worth it, but I'm 
trying to ignore the attitude of the article's author and keep an open mind.

Best,
Anna


 On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:05 AM, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I wonder how much of the information in the article can be trusted. Maybe the 
 author is just ignorant but the blind has Seri read to them? Not a whole lot; 
 VoiceOver does the reading…
  
 E
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Devin Prater
 Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:07 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 Now if this company is actually real, more real than that laughable braigo 
 crap that's been around for years but hasn't done a thing, then I might just 
 have to look into this. But as I said before, they need to make an 
 inexpensive braille display before they get to my heart. The watch will only 
 be a piece of bread in my belly. The display, though, will be the meat and 
 cheese.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might 
 be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
 literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, 
 cutting them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some 
 tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or 
 creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
 the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
 Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is 
 impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”
  
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth 
 to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter 
 equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five 
 days without stopping to charge.
  
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
 $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
  
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have 
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them 
 to display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or 
 train schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will 
 shift  towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest 
 market.
  
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch 
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch
  
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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Rose Combs]

I was thinking that there would need to be a quick way to scroll also, I used 
the Optacon for years, it took both hands unless you had it hooked to an 
automatic scanner which I only saw during training.  You would not likely wish 
to keep pressing a button every four cells, could lead to repetitive strain 
injury.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

I thought 4 cells didn't sound enough, but folk used to love the opticon, and 
that was only one finger-tips worth of image, and folk 
read print with it.
The device would need a rolling scroll, variable speed no doubt,  to coordinate 
to the speed you'd run your finger over a line of 
braile. Press and hold a button to make it scroll, take finger off button to 
make it stop. A reversal of the norm,holding the finger 
still and moving the text, instead of the other way round.
Tele-type and early digital displays used to do this, with scrolling news 
headlines, punctuated by very succinct ads. It would work!

BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that four 
cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't 
matter, imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless 
there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I 
can't imagine how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be 
efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as 
the price is low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very 
skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems easier to 
just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, 
if braille is important to you. After all, would that 
not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply options that a smart 
watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, 
 you have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your 
 smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back 
 or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and 
 technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?

 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 Richard

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 
 20-cell display for.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I 
 thought some folks might be interested.

 The link to the article is at the end.

 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015

 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed 
 down the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their 
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most 
 information that isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found 
 workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to 
 the age

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Perfect, that's just what we need.
Even I might be tempted if the price was right.
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


If you read up on this watch at all, you'll see that it scrolls through
the text and you can start and stop the scrolling and control the speed
of the scrolling.

On 08/13/2015 10:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
 that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
 imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
 there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how
 whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of
 course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is low for what it
 is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove
 useful. It seems easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on
 your belt or over your shoulder, if braille is important to you. After
 all, would that not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply
 options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
 mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
 free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
 have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
 smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
 in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
 richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on
 your wrist?
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
 also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
 Richard
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20
 cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell
 display for.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 *To:* ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in
 an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought
 some folks might be interested.
 The link to the article is at the end.
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
 shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down
 the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't
 published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like
 having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are
 often clunky and expensive.
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution.
 They created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots.
 This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the
 last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an
 educational tool.
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for
 example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice,
 which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s
 voice saying it in your head?”
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can
 raise or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up
 with Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their
 braille letter equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device
 can last for five days without stopping to charge.
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille
 e-readers, which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated

RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Rose Combs]

It would need to be given to me, I only use Braille watches but I don't feel I 
need a smart one.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

Perfect, that's just what we need.
Even I might be tempted if the price was right.
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: A Braille Smart Watch?


If you read up on this watch at all, you'll see that it scrolls through
the text and you can start and stop the scrolling and control the speed
of the scrolling.

On 08/13/2015 10:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
 that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
 imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
 there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how
 whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of
 course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is low for what it
 is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove
 useful. It seems easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on
 your belt or over your shoulder, if braille is important to you. After
 all, would that not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply
 options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
 mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
 free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
 have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
 smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
 in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
 richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on
 your wrist?
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
 also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
 Richard
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20
 cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell
 display for.
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 *To:* ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in
 an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought
 some folks might be interested.
 The link to the article is at the end.
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
 shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down
 the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't
 published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like
 having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are
 often clunky and expensive.
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution.
 They created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots.
 This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the
 last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an
 educational tool.
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for
 example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice,
 which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s
 voice saying it in your head?”
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd suggest you do a bit more research before jumping to such 
conclusions. I doubt you have any idea whether this company worked with 
blind people in the research and development of this product or not. 
Your comments seem to indicate that you haven't done much reading on 
this device, and obviously, you haven't seen it in action yet.


As others have said, a 12 or 14 cell braille display won't be as mobile 
as a watch. Just because you don't see how such a device would be useful 
doesn't mean there aren't others out there who wouldn't find this device 
beneficial.


Luckily there are smart engineers out there who don't listen to such 
uninformed negativity and don't just assume it's impossible to come up 
with a braille smart watch. It's a good thing Apple engineers didn't 
listen to all of the blind nay sayers who said a touch screen could 
never be used by the blind. For me, I say put your smart guys on it, 
bring me your good ideas, and I'll buy it if I think it's worth it or 
I'll move on if I don't. Either way, all blind people will have more 
options and more choices.



On 08/14/2015 12:01 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual
blind people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself
look incredibly stupid.
Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device
for mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go
down? Make a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll
gain my respect as Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we
must be apart in the digital age.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine
how whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be
efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is
low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical
that this will prove useful. It seems easier to just leave a small
braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, if braille
is important to you. After all, would that not provide the same kind
of silent notification/reply options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.

On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.




On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com
wrote:

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display
on your wrist?
I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
Richard
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20
cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell
display for.
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
*To:* ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in
an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought
some folks might be interested.
The link to the article is at the end.
Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
By Alexandra Ossola
Posted July 28, 2015
now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down
the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired
their reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that
isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found
workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating braille
e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.
A South Korean

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you read up on this watch at all, you'll see that it scrolls through 
the text and you can start and stop the scrolling and control the speed 
of the scrolling.


On 08/13/2015 10:37 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is
that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter,
imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless
there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how
whacking the Advance button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of
course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is low for what it
is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove
useful. It seems easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on
your belt or over your shoulder, if braille is important to you. After
all, would that not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply
options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.

On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com
mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:

Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for
free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you
have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your
smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology,
in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.




On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner
richardturne...@outlook.com mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on
your wrist?
I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
Richard
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20
cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell
display for.
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
*To:* ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in
an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought
some folks might be interested.
The link to the article is at the end.
Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
By Alexandra Ossola
Posted July 28, 2015
now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down
the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their
reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't
published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like
having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are
often clunky and expensive.
A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution.
They created
Dot
, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots.
This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of
smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the
last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an
educational tool.
“Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for
example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice,
which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
Tech in Asia
. “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s
voice saying it in your head?”
The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
Alphr notes
. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can
raise or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up
with Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their
braille letter equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device
can last for five days without stopping to charge.
One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille
e-readers, which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated
to cost less than $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors
have tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations,
programming them to display information that regularly changes, such
as account balances or train schedules. After the wearable’s launch
in December

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Shaf]

You can't fit 20 cells on your wrist...

On 8/13/2015 6:55 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
 I know, the article I saw mentioned that braille in bulk might be
 possible such as 20 cells. If you’re talking 20 cells, then the price
 isn’t so great.
 
  
 
  
 
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Richard Turner
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
 
  
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on
 your wrist?
 
  
 
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am
 also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 
  
 
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
 
  
 
 Richard
 
  
 
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
 
  
 
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells,
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.
 
  
 
  
 
 *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Richard Turner
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
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 *Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch?
 
  
 
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an
 Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some
 folks might be interested.
 
  
 
 The link to the article is at the end.
 
  
 
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
 
  
 
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
 
  
 
 By Alexandra Ossola
 
 Posted July 28, 2015
 
  
 
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
 
  
 
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
 shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the
 technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't
 published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like
 having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are often
 clunky and expensive.
 
  
 
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They
 created
 
 Dot
 
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots.
 This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last
 year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an
 educational tool.
 
  
 
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for
 example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which
 is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 
 Tech in Asia
 
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice
 saying it in your head?”
 
  
 
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 
 Alphr notes
 
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can
 raise or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with
 Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille
 letter equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last
 for five days without stopping to charge.
 
  
 
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille
 e-readers, which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to
 cost less than $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
 
  
 
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming
 them to display information that regularly changes, such as account
 balances or train schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December,
 the startup will shift  towards the public sector, which it anticipates
 could be its largest market.
 
  
 
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch
 
  
 
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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Richard Turner]

Again, you are dealing with a huge convenience factor that some people are 
happy to pay for.

If they do produce something that is 20 cells, you also are assuming the per 
cell price would stay the same.

 

Time will tell.  There are several projects in the works for doing multi-line 
braille displays for less than we now have to pay for one 40 cell display, plus 
they may be able to show tactile graphics.

University of Michigan has one project going and the National Braille Press has 
another.

 

I think we may see some significant changes in the next two to three years.

 

Time will tell.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

I know, the article I saw mentioned that braille in bulk might be possible such 
as 20 cells. If you’re talking 20 cells, then the price isn’t so great.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
wrist?

 

I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not 
going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.

 

Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 

Richard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email I 
received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might be 
interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

“Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, you 
had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” Dot 
CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice saying 
it in your head?”

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise or 
lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth to 
convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents with 
the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without stopping 
to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have tested 
braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to display 
information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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A Braille Smart Watch?

[Richard Turner]

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email
I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might
be interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy,
cutting them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some
tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or
creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They
created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches,
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example,
you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is
impersonal, Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. Wouldn't you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend's voice
saying it in your head?

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise
or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth
to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter
equivalents with the user's voice commands. The device can last for five
days without stopping to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers,
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have
tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them
to display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or
train schedules. After the wearable's launch in December, the startup will
shift  towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest
market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Larry Lumpkin]

I know, the article I saw mentioned that braille in bulk might be possible such 
as 20 cells. If you’re talking 20 cells, then the price isn’t so great.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
wrist?

 

I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not 
going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.

 

Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 

Richard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email I 
received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might be 
interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

“Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, you 
had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” Dot 
CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice saying 
it in your head?”

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise or 
lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth to 
convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents with 
the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without stopping 
to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have tested 
braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to display 
information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Larry Lumpkin]

Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email I 
received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might be 
interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

“Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, you 
had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” Dot 
CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice saying 
it in your head?”

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise or 
lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth to 
convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents with 
the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without stopping 
to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have tested 
braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to display 
information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Shaf]

Amazing!

This company will move mountains.

On 8/13/2015 6:23 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an
 Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some
 folks might be interested.
 
  
 
 The link to the article is at the end.
 
  
 
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
 
  
 
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
 
  
 
 By Alexandra Ossola
 
 Posted July 28, 2015
 
  
 
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
 
  
 
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the
 shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the
 technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their
 reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't
 published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like
 having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are often
 clunky and expensive.
 
  
 
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They
 created
 
 Dot
 
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots.
 This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last
 year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an
 educational tool.
 
  
 
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for
 example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which
 is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 
 Tech in Asia
 
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice
 saying it in your head?”
 
  
 
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 
 Alphr notes
 
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can
 raise or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with
 Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille
 letter equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last
 for five days without stopping to charge.
 
  
 
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille
 e-readers, which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to
 cost less than $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
 
  
 
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming
 them to display information that regularly changes, such as account
 balances or train schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December,
 the startup will shift  towards the public sector, which it anticipates
 could be its largest market.
 
  
 
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch
 
  
 
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RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Richard Turner]

Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
wrist?

 

I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not 
going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.

Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.

 

Richard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?

 

I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email I 
received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might be 
interested.

 

The link to the article is at the end.

 

Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch

 

Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier

 

By Alexandra Ossola

Posted July 28, 2015

 

now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#

 

Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.

 

A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created

Dot

, the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.

 

“Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, you 
had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” Dot 
CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told

Tech in Asia

. “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice saying 
it in your head?”

 

The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,

Alphr notes

. On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise or 
lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth to 
convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents with 
the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without stopping 
to charge.

 

One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
$300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.

 

But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have tested 
braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to display 
information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.

 

http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch

 

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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Kerri G]

I think, Devin that you are right when it comes to having companies contact 
blind people but wrong to state that companies are stupid. Do I think their is 
a market for such devices, maybe, especially for those who like me, love 
Braille. However, even I, the Braille addict cannot justify purchasing one of 
these things.
***
In the midst of a storm is Emanuel, God with us, enough? - Doug Dunbar



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual blind 
 people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself look 
 incredibly stupid. 
 Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device for 
 mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go down? Make 
 a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll gain my respect 
 as Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we must be apart in the 
 digital age. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that 
 four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter, imagine 
 trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless there's an 
 ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how whacking the 
 Advance button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of course, I'd love 
 to try this thing out, as the price is low for what it is, and I'm just 
 intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems 
 easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or over 
 your shoulder, if braille is important to you. After all, would that not 
 provide the same kind of silent notification/reply options that a smart 
 watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com 
 mailto:kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you have to stop, 
 put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart watch, this 
 is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?
  
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
  
 Richard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an 
 Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some 
 folks might be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the 
 shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the 
 technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading 
 literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't published in 
 print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read 
 texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and 
 expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of 
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last 
 year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an 
 educational tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Kerri G]

Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, grin, 
if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you have to stop, put the 
harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart watch, this is one time I 
prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which 
hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.



 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?
  
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not 
 going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
  
 Richard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re 
 back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might 
 be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
 literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
 them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
 companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
 the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
 Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” 
 Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”
  
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth 
 to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents 
 with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without 
 stopping to charge.
  
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
 $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
  
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have 
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to 
 display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
 schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
 towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.
  
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch 
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch
  
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Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Devin Prater]

Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual blind 
people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself look 
incredibly stupid. 
Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device for 
mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go down? Make a 
braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll gain my respect as 
Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we must be apart in the 
digital age. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that 
 four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter, imagine 
 trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless there's an 
 ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how whacking the 
 Advance button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of course, I'd love to 
 try this thing out, as the price is low for what it is, and I'm just 
 intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems 
 easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or over your 
 shoulder, if braille is important to you. After all, would that not provide 
 the same kind of silent notification/reply options that a smart watch can? 
 I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you have to stop, 
 put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart watch, this is 
 one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?
  
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
  
 Richard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an 
 Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some 
 folks might be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the 
 technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading 
 literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't published in 
 print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read 
 texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and 
 expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of 
 smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last 
 year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational 
 tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is 
 impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”
  
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth 
 to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter 
 equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five 
 days without stopping to charge.
  
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Alex Hall]

My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that four 
cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter, imagine trying to 
read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless there's an ingenious panning 
solution in this watch, I can't imagine how whacking the Advance button 
twenty-five times would be efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing 
out, as the price is low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very 
skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems easier to just leave a small 
braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, if braille is 
important to you. After all, would that not provide the same kind of silent 
notification/reply options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, 
 grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you have to stop, 
 put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart watch, this is 
 one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over.
 We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in 
 which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your 
 wrist?
  
 I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also 
 not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience.
 Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin.
  
 Richard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 Let’s think this out.  At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, 
 you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM
 To: ViPone list viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: A Braille Smart Watch?
  
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might 
 be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
 literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, 
 cutting them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some 
 tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or 
 creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They 
 created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
 the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
 Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is 
 impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”
  
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth 
 to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter 
 equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five 
 days without stopping to charge.
  
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
 $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
  
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have 
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them 
 to display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or 
 train schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup

Re: A Braille Smart Watch?

[Devin Prater]

Now if this company is actually real, more real than that laughable braigo 
crap that's been around for years but hasn't done a thing, then I might just 
have to look into this. But as I said before, they need to make an inexpensive 
braille display before they get to my heart. The watch will only be a piece of 
bread in my belly. The display, though, will be the meat and cheese.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner richardturne...@outlook.com 
 wrote:
 
 I know nothing more than what is in the article below.  This was in an Email 
 I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might 
 be interested.
  
 The link to the article is at the end.
  
 Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch
  
 Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier
  
 By Alexandra Ossola
 Posted July 28, 2015
  
 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch#
  
 Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting 
 pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological 
 literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting 
 them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech 
 companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating 
 braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive.
  
 A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created
 Dot
 , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This 
 inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, 
 the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the 
 Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool.
  
 “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, 
 you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” 
 Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told
 Tech in Asia
 . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice 
 saying it in your head?”
  
 The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time,
 Alphr notes
 . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise 
 or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth 
 to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents 
 with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without 
 stopping to charge.
  
 One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, 
 which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than 
 $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December.
  
 But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have 
 tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to 
 display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train 
 schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift  
 towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market.
  
 http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch
  
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