Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-05 Thread Alan J Paganelli
I doubt though that passengers bringing their iPhone or iPad abord will pose 
any risk.  I would be more afraid of my fellow passengers who would be a 
greater risk with their screaming brats.


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From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

Here's an actual article from PBS News Hour discussing this issue at this link:



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2-airlines-ban-rechargeable-batteries-cargo/



I'll post the text of the article after my signature.



Alan Lemly



Two airlines ban rechargeable batteries from cargo
WASHINGTON — Two major U.S airlines say they will no longer accept rechargeable 
battery shipments as new government tests confirm that explosions and violent 
fires are likely to occur when large numbers of batteries enclosed in cargo 
containers overheat.

Tests conducted last month by the Federal Aviation Administration show that 
rechargeable batteries, also called lithium-ion batteries, consistently emit 
explosive gases when they overheat or short-circuit, The Associated Press has 
learned. In the recent tests, as well as other FAA tests last year, the buildup 
of gases — primarily hydrogen — led to fierce explosions.

An FAA video of one of the tests obtained by the AP shows an explosion knocking 
a cargo container door off its hinges and tossing boxes of batteries into the 
air. The container was engulfed in fire minutes later.

In the test, a cartridge heater was used to simulate a single battery 
overheating. The heater caused nearby batteries to overheat and the 
short-circuiting spread to many of the nearly 5,000 batteries in the container. 
It’s common for tens of thousands of batteries to be placed in a single 
container.

Citing safety concerns, United Airlines on Monday informed its cargo customers 
it will no longer accept bulk shipments of the batteries, which are used to 
power everything from smartphones to laptops to power tools.

Delta Air Lines quietly stopped accepting bulk shipments of the rechargeable 
batteries on Feb. 1. The airline said in a statement that it took the action in 
response to government testing and concerns raised by its pilots and flight 
attendants.

A third major U.S. carrier, American Airlines, stopped accepting some types of 
lithium-ion battery shipments on Feb. 23. But the airline is continuing to 
accept small packages of batteries grouped together or “overpacked” into a 
single cargo container. Those are the kinds of shipments that the FAA has been 
testing and that are a greater safety concern.

All three airlines said they will continue to accept bulk shipments of 
equipment containing batteries or in which batteries are placed in the same 
package as equipment. Placing batteries inside equipment like laptops or in the 
same package as power tools creates additional buffering and is believed to 
provide added protection, although safety experts say that theory hasn’t been 
fully tested.

The decisions by United and Delta airlines could put pressure on other 
international carriers to refuse battery shipments or appear indifferent to 
safety.

“I think it will cause everybody to take a look at their policies and 
procedures as far as carrying that cargo, and many will elect not to,” said 
John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member and aviation 
safety expert.

Airline industry analyst Robert W. Mann said, “It’s only a matter of time 
before a really serious event occurs.”

Airlines “are essentially just trying to avoid that occurrence,” he said.

Temperatures in some of the government testing reached nearly 1,100 degrees. An 
airliner might be able to withstand a fire generated by a small number of 
lithium-ion batteries, but a fire involving lots of them could destroy the 
plane, according to a slide presentation by Airbus engineer Paul Rohrbach. The 
presentation was an industry position reflecting the views of other aircraft 
manufacturers as well as Airbus, according to the company.

U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety restrictions 
that might affect the powerful industries that depend on the batteries. About 
4.8 billion lithium-ion cells were manufactured in 2013, and production is 
forecast to reach 8 billion a year by 2025. A battery contains two or more 
cells.

Lithium batteries dominate the global battery industry because they’re cheap to 
make, lightweight and can hold a lot more energy than

RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Cargo areas are pressurized but not heated completely. One needs to keep in 
mind that often at 30,000 or 35,000 feet altitude where jets fly the 
temperature is as low as -60 Fahrenheit and while cargo areas are usually 
heated so it doesn’t go below freezing, it is still cold in there.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SSEric
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual 
having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not pressurized.

 

I could be mistaken…

 

Eric

 

 

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Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously 
thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. 
Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy 
regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to 
choose my airline wisely LOL.

 

Eileen


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On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org  wrote:

Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news 
report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop 
people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com 
mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com  wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan,

I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since 
the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it 
with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-04 Thread Alan Lemly
 Organization, a U.N.
agency, unless an international investigative agency can show the batteries
ignited a fire that destroyed an aircraft. That's difficult, since in the
three cases thus far in which batteries are suspected of causing fires, the
planes were too damaged to determine the source of the blaze.

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of SSEric
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual
having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not
pressurized.

 

I could be mistaken.

 

Eric

 

 

 

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RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-04 Thread Juan Hernandez
I usually carry 2-3 battery packs on to the plane with me with no issue.  I’ve 
traveled with most of the big airlines in the u.s. with no issues.

 

HTH

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

Cargo areas are pressurized but not heated completely. One needs to keep in 
mind that often at 30,000 or 35,000 feet altitude where jets fly the 
temperature is as low as -60 Fahrenheit and while cargo areas are usually 
heated so it doesn’t go below freezing, it is still cold in there.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SSEric
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual 
having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not pressurized.

 

I could be mistaken…

 

Eric

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously 
thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. 
Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy 
regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to 
choose my airline wisely LOL.

 

Eileen


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On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news 
report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop 
people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan,

I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since 
the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it 
with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-04 Thread SSEric
I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual
having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not
pressurized.

 

I could be mistaken.

 

Eric

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm
seriously thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge
capacity. Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this
crazy regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll
have to choose my airline wisely LOL.

 

Eileen


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news
report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop
people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan,

I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning
that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their
flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in
your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally.
Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to
replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-03 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Jonathan,

I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since 
the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it 
with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-03 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news 
report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop 
people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

 On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan,
 
 I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
 that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
 flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
 your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. 
 Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to 
 replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 
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Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-03 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Jonathan,

I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously 
thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. 
Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy 
regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to 
choose my airline wisely LOL.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news 
 report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop 
 people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan,
 
 I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
 that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
 flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
 your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. 
 Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to 
 replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 
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RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

2015-03-03 Thread Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Hi Eileen,

From what I am reading, this appears to only apply to bulk shipments of 
lithium batteries.

Pam



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Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack

Hi Jonathan,

I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously 
thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. 
Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy 
regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to 
choose my airline wisely LOL.

Eileen

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On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
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Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news 
report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop 
people from bringing their laptops and phones on board?
Jonathan Mosen
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On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi 
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Hi Jonathan,

I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning 
that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their 
flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in 
your tech carry  on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since 
the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it 
with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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