Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

like I said, it was slipped in. There was apparently some behind the scenes 
deal making that involved one or more of the blindness orgs and the US Justice 
Dept. They figured that it would be an opportune time to get MS to make their 
OS a bit more accessible. SInce the primary action was an anti-trust lawsuit, 
the secondary action was not widely published.

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> I don't understand. How does Microsoft not including their browser in Windows 
> have anything to do with helping ensure applications are accessible? The 
> iPhone is a more closed system then Windows has ever been, but I don't see 
> this as having anyting to do with this argument, other than a 3rd party 
> screen reader has never been an option on an iPhone.
> 
> I agree Apple is doing a great job including accessibility in their products, 
> but if we're talking about history, this hasn't always been the case. I was 
> using a smart phone with a screen reader five years before the iPhone was 
> accessible. I've been using a PC non-stop since 1988, and I don't think that 
> could be said about the Mac.
> 
> I also don't see how Microsoft's wealth and the number of lawyers they have 
> on retainer has anything to do with this argument. Apple is wealthier than 
> Microsoft,  has their own set of lawyers and has been using lawyers to 
> protect themselves and their intellectual property longer than Microsoft.
> 
> I'm sure I'm seen as a Microsoft defender, but I just don't see how 
> misleading statements about another company furthers this argument at all. 
> Apple, although not perfect, is getting a lot of things right. Microsoft 
> definitely has a ways to go, but I just don't think it's true that the only 
> thing Microsoft has done to improve the accessibility of it's platforms and 
> applications is the result of law suits. Narrator has improved in recent 
> versions of Windows, Windows Phone is now accessible, Microsoft contributes 
> to organizations establishing accessibility standards, and I don't think any 
> of this is just because they lost some law suit recently.
> 
> On 07/24/2015 02:47 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> the last time this actually happened, it was part of the Anti-trust lawsuit 
>> that forced MS to quit favoring their browser over others. It was slipped in 
>> as part of the settlement conditions.
>> 
>> btw, Apple was not the first organization to actually go with accessibility 
>> out of the box. THere were 3 Linux Distributions that were already setup to 
>> do this as early as 1998. Redhat Linux was one of the first, right along 
>> with Knoppix (a debian dvd live disk). However, apple was the first to 
>> realize that they needed a standard interface across all their products. 
>> Since voiceover got its start as part of the audio menu for the iPod Nano, 
>> it was decided that this would make a good audio interface for their other 
>> devices. Not only did it work for us, but it made apple the first to create 
>> a commercial product that had accessibility built in and ready to use (and 
>> at no extra cost). I can't say that for my old windows smart phone (which I 
>> had to pay upwards of $400 just to purchase the mobile speak package) and 
>> Android just wasn't accessible until the later Android versions. Even then, 
>> it still requires some sighted assistance to get the package installed 
>> (Windows smart phone) or turne
> d on (android). WIth the iPhone, you can plug it in to a machine, turn on 
> iTunes and go into the device settings menu to turn it on (or hit the home 
> key 3 times). How much easier is it than that?
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has 
>>> worked on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without losing 
>>> a law suit to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they could 
>>> definitely do a better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated statements like 
>>> this just undermine the points that need to be made.
>>> 
>>> On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time 
>>>> we got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 
>>>> Billion Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can 
>>>> start bugging the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, 
>>>> Android and others), the more likely it is that something will get done.
>>

Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't understand. How does Microsoft not including their browser in 
Windows have anything to do with helping ensure applications are 
accessible? The iPhone is a more closed system then Windows has ever 
been, but I don't see this as having anyting to do with this argument, 
other than a 3rd party screen reader has never been an option on an iPhone.


I agree Apple is doing a great job including accessibility in their 
products, but if we're talking about history, this hasn't always been 
the case. I was using a smart phone with a screen reader five years 
before the iPhone was accessible. I've been using a PC non-stop since 
1988, and I don't think that could be said about the Mac.


I also don't see how Microsoft's wealth and the number of lawyers they 
have on retainer has anything to do with this argument. Apple is 
wealthier than Microsoft,  has their own set of lawyers and has been 
using lawyers to protect themselves and their intellectual property 
longer than Microsoft.


I'm sure I'm seen as a Microsoft defender, but I just don't see how 
misleading statements about another company furthers this argument at 
all. Apple, although not perfect, is getting a lot of things right. 
Microsoft definitely has a ways to go, but I just don't think it's true 
that the only thing Microsoft has done to improve the accessibility of 
it's platforms and applications is the result of law suits. Narrator has 
improved in recent versions of Windows, Windows Phone is now accessible, 
Microsoft contributes to organizations establishing accessibility 
standards, and I don't think any of this is just because they lost some 
law suit recently.


On 07/24/2015 02:47 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

the last time this actually happened, it was part of the Anti-trust lawsuit 
that forced MS to quit favoring their browser over others. It was slipped in as 
part of the settlement conditions.

btw, Apple was not the first organization to actually go with accessibility out 
of the box. THere were 3 Linux Distributions that were already setup to do this 
as early as 1998. Redhat Linux was one of the first, right along with Knoppix 
(a debian dvd live disk). However, apple was the first to realize that they 
needed a standard interface across all their products. Since voiceover got its 
start as part of the audio menu for the iPod Nano, it was decided that this 
would make a good audio interface for their other devices. Not only did it work 
for us, but it made apple the first to create a commercial product that had 
accessibility built in and ready to use (and at no extra cost). I can't say 
that for my old windows smart phone (which I had to pay upwards of $400 just to 
purchase the mobile speak package) and Android just wasn't accessible until the 
later Android versions. Even then, it still requires some sighted assistance to 
get the package installed (Windows smart phone) or turne

d on (android). WIth the iPhone, you can plug it in to a machine, turn on 
iTunes and go into the device settings menu to turn it on (or hit the home key 
3 times). How much easier is it than that?


-eric

On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has worked 
on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without losing a law suit 
to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they could definitely do a 
better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated statements like this just undermine 
the points that need to be made.

On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start bugging 
the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and 
others), the more likely it is that something will get done.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:


Does Microsoft do any better?

Andy

From: Mike Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
To: VIPhone
Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case of 
one c

Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

the last time this actually happened, it was part of the Anti-trust lawsuit 
that forced MS to quit favoring their browser over others. It was slipped in as 
part of the settlement conditions.

btw, Apple was not the first organization to actually go with accessibility out 
of the box. THere were 3 Linux Distributions that were already setup to do this 
as early as 1998. Redhat Linux was one of the first, right along with Knoppix 
(a debian dvd live disk). However, apple was the first to realize that they 
needed a standard interface across all their products. Since voiceover got its 
start as part of the audio menu for the iPod Nano, it was decided that this 
would make a good audio interface for their other devices. Not only did it work 
for us, but it made apple the first to create a commercial product that had 
accessibility built in and ready to use (and at no extra cost). I can't say 
that for my old windows smart phone (which I had to pay upwards of $400 just to 
purchase the mobile speak package) and Android just wasn't accessible until the 
later Android versions. Even then, it still requires some sighted assistance to 
get the package installed (Windows smart phone) or turned on (android). WIth 
the iPhone, you can plug it in to a machine, turn on iTunes and go into the 
device settings menu to turn it on (or hit the home key 3 times). How much 
easier is it than that?

-eric

On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has 
> worked on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without losing a 
> law suit to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they could 
> definitely do a better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated statements like 
> this just undermine the points that need to be made.
> 
> On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
>> got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
>> Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start 
>> bugging the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android 
>> and others), the more likely it is that something will get done.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> 
>>> Does Microsoft do any better?
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> From: Mike Hingson
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
>>> Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
>>> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
>>> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
>>> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. 
>>> Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us 
>>> behind the accessible curve.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers 
>>> to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
>>> such, but what about software?
>>> 
>>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
>>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
>>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any info,
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure what's being referred to here, but I am sure Microsoft has 
worked on and delivered accessibility improvements recently without 
losing a law suit to make it happen. I'm not defending Microsoft, they 
could definitely do a better job, but inaccurate and exaggerated 
statements like this just undermine the points that need to be made.


On 07/23/2015 09:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start bugging 
the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and 
others), the more likely it is that something will get done.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:


Does Microsoft do any better?

Andy

From: Mike Hingson
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
To: VIPhone
Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case of 
one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site any 
relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Robin]

I'm NotSure if either Google and/or Microsoft do AnyBetter...

But, that's NotThePoint ... Apple is the TrendSetter as it pertains 
to the MobileSpace ... Google & Microsoft will FollowSuit


CaseInPoint

Out-of-the-Box Accessibility
At 07:37 PM 7/23/2015, you wrote:
does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last 
time we got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are 
still a $45 Billion Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if 
enough of us can start bugging the software developers who make apps 
for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and others), the more likely it is 
that something will get done.


-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Does Microsoft do any better?
>
> Andy
>
> From: Mike Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not 
be inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally 
lived up to its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility 
as it could. Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and 
will ALWAYS keep us behind the accessible curve.

>
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software 
developers to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA 
applies to buildings and such, but what about software?

>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau 
in the case of one company, mostly to get their full attention. 
Obviously I'd like to site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Chris
>
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

does Microsoft do any better??? Honestly, the answer is no. The last time we 
got anything out of MS, it required a lawsuit. They are still a $45 Billion 
Dollar monster with lots of lawyers. Still, if enough of us can start bugging 
the software developers who make apps for MS (and OS X, iOS, Android and 
others), the more likely it is that something will get done.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Does Microsoft do any better?
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Mike Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
> accessible curve.
> 
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
> such, but what about software?
> 
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
> 
> Thanks for any info,
> 
> Chris
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Eric Oyen]

well,
one of the things I have been doing with apps that I want to use but are 
inaccessible is to file a bug report via their appstore review page. THis has 
gotten the attention of at least a few vendors. The more of us that do this, 
the higher the noise for accessibility (and thus the faster they may react to 
it). If the app is totally inaccessible, giving it a rating star of only 1 and 
a comment to the effect that the app is not usable by a blind person might 
start getting their attention (especially if there are 100 or more reviews). 
The app developers will pay close attention to this (as a better rating often 
means more users).

Just a suggestion.

-eric

On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

> While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers 
> would do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps 
> accessible under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm 
> talking mostly about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, 
> and the developers do it because they want to. .  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:
> 
>> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
>> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
>> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
>> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
>> accessible curve.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
>> such, but what about software?
>> 
>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Andy Baracco]

Does Microsoft do any better?

Andy

From: Mike Hingson 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:30 PM
To: VIPhone 
Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca 
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote: 
  I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
  Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

  I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site 
any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

  Thanks for any info,

  Chris


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RE: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Rose Combs]

Well, the only game on Dice World that I once played was Yahtzee, the rest of 
them for me at least in practice mode are so confusing that I would never think 
of going online for them.  

But then, I am not an especially good computer gamer.  

 

 

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Devin Prater
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: csma...@cogeco.ca
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

 

While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers would 
do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps accessible 
under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm talking mostly 
about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, and the 
developers do it because they want to. .  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:

While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to its 
responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving this 
up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case of 
one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site any 
relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Devin Prater]

While Apple could force all apps to be accessible, I doubt app developers would 
do such a good job with it as if they'd been able to make their apps accessible 
under guidance of the people that accessibility would serve. I'm talking mostly 
about apps like DiceWorld where the accessibility is amazing, and the 
developers do it because they want to. .  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Mike Hingson  wrote:
> 
> While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
> inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
> its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. Leaving 
> this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us behind the 
> accessible curve.
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
>> such, but what about software?
>> 
>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case 
>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to 
>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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>> EEG biofeedback headband for home use!
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Mike Hingson]

While some apps may be graphic by nature their controls need not be 
inaccessible to blind persons. I believe Apple has not totally lived up to 
its responsibility to insure as miuch app accessibility as it could. 
Leaving this up to the developers is unrealistic and will ALWAYS keep us 
behind the accessible curve.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, Chris Smart wrote:
>
>  I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers 
> to make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and 
> such, but what about software?
>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the 
> case of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like 
> to site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Chris
>
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> lab-grade EEG biofeedback headband for home use! 
> 
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RE: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Rose Combs]

Not possible, many games or mapping apps could not be accessible.  Be 
realistic, not everyone is going to want an accessible game just because we may 
want one.  


Rose Combs
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let them 
into the app store.

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>>>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
>>>> developers to
>>>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
>>>> such, but what about software?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
>>>> case
>>>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
>>>> to
>>>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Chris Smart]

except if Apple decides on this mandatory approach, will they then set a
minimum standard of accessibility that app developers will only barely
meet?  Meaning, we'll go from developers doing the right thing
because they want to, to developers doing the bare minimum so as not to
get in trouble?
At 06:52 AM 7/23/2015, you wrote:
I'd like Apple to require apps
to be completely accessible before the let them into the app
store.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce
 wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate
information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary
Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA
requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access
and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires
apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all
programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning
accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>>
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca>
wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is
ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other
software
 developers to
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA
applies to buildings and
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business
Bureau in the
 case
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention.
Obviously I'd like
 to
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are
any.
 
 Thanks for any info,
 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Wayne Merritt]

It has been talked about for the last few years whether or not to
mandate that the web is a public place of where one can be
accommodated. I have read things from social media and other sources
that have hinted at the ADA being amended to include web
accessibility. So far as I know, this has not happened yet. Treating
the web as a public place makes sense but remember that the ADA was
signed in 1990, and the web did not really get rolling until a few
years after that. Until the ADA is amended to include websites as
public places and places where people with disabilities can get
reasonable accommodations, mobile apps will not fit into the ADA.
Since, in my humble opinion, web accessibility and mobile
accessibility are very close to each other.

Best,
Wayne

On 7/23/15, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss making some apps
> accessible that are seemingly impossible to make accessible. It wasn't
> that long ago that people thought touch screens were never going to be
> used by the blind.
>
> I think the original question was about using information to file a
> complaint with a particular app. I'd still suggest using the ADA and the
> accessibility standards. It's unclear to me when or if these standards
> will apply to apps, but you can make the case that this app developer
> might not want to take the chance. There's also the Rehabilitation Act,
> so if the developer ever wants this app used by an institution receiving
> US Federal funding then they would want to be accessible. Finally, there
> are Apple's accessibility guidelines themselves. I would include all of
> this myself and let the developer figure out if they're on the right
> side of the law, standards and guidelines.
>
> On 07/23/2015 07:07 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>> It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based
>> games that could never be made accessible.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hunt
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA
>>
>> I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the
>> let them into the app store.
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>>
>>> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
>>> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
>>> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
>>> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
>>> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
>>> the blind person's skills and needs.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>>>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>>>>
>>>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>>>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>>>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>>>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>>>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>>>>>> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
>>>>>> developers to
>>>>>> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to
>>>>>> buildings and
>>>>>> such, but what about software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss making some apps 
accessible that are seemingly impossible to make accessible. It wasn't 
that long ago that people thought touch screens were never going to be 
used by the blind.


I think the original question was about using information to file a 
complaint with a particular app. I'd still suggest using the ADA and the 
accessibility standards. It's unclear to me when or if these standards 
will apply to apps, but you can make the case that this app developer 
might not want to take the chance. There's also the Rehabilitation Act, 
so if the developer ever wants this app used by an institution receiving 
US Federal funding then they would want to be accessible. Finally, there 
are Apple's accessibility guidelines themselves. I would include all of 
this myself and let the developer figure out if they're on the right 
side of the law, standards and guidelines.


On 07/23/2015 07:07 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based
games that could never be made accessible.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Paul Hunt
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the
let them into the app store.


On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly


On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
thanks for that info Marianne.

At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:


Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
developers to
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to
buildings and
such, but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
case
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
to
site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Andy Baracco]

It's not so simple because there are apps, such as graphically based games 
that could never be made accessible.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Paul Hunt

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let 
them into the app store.



On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly


On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
thanks for that info Marianne.

At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:


Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
<[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
developers to
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings 
and

such, but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
case
of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
to
site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

Chris

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Paul Hunt]

I'd like Apple to require apps to be completely accessible before the let them 
into the app store.

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
> or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
> comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
> communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
> accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
> the blind person's skills and needs.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> thanks for that info Marianne.
>> 
>> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>> 
>>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
 Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
 developers to
 make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
 such, but what about software?
 
 I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
 case
 of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
 to
 site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
 
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Kelly Pierce]

to clarify Mary Ann's comments, The ADA does not mandate information
or communications to be accessible in a specific format.  Mary Ann's
comments could be applied to Braille as well.  The ADA requires
communications to be accessible.  The format used for this
accessibility depends on how effective the format is for access and
the blind person's skills and needs.

Kelly

On 7/22/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> thanks for that info Marianne.
>
> At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
>> be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
>> into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
>> it hasn't fully happened yet.
>>
>> On 7/21/15, Chris Smart
>> <[?&cs=wh&v=b&to=csma...@cogeco.ca]csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> > I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
>> > Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
>> > developers to
>> > make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
>> > such, but what about software?
>> >
>> > I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the
>> > case
>> > of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like
>> > to
>> > site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any info,
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Chris Smart]

thanks for that info Marianne. 
At 10:58 AM 7/21/2015, you wrote:
Chris, there is no current or
past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that
come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible
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> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is
ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software
developers to
> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to
buildings and
> such, but what about software?
>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in
the case
> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd
like to
> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Chris
>
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Kelly Pierce]

First, I wish to clarify Andy’s statement. While the communications
and video accessibility act requires smart phone manufacturers to make
their devices accessible to the blind, the mandate does not apply to
third partydevelopers.

To Chris’ specific question, the ADA requires communications to be
accessible to the same extent they are as effective to sighted people.
For private businesses that are not a government service, the ADA does
not require a specific kind of communication to always be accessible,
as the same information can be communicated in different ways that
could be equally effective to a given blind person. This is the same
analysis as for Web access. As we know with mobile apps, the only
effective means for many kinds of information is a method that is both
time and location sensitive. Mobile devices can deliver information
that is both time and location sensitive. Apps for all local
governmental services need to be accessible. The 11th amendment of the
Constitution exempts many state services from the ADA.

This is an evolving area of law and application of the law would
depend on multiple factors. If you were more specific, my analysis
could be more detailed. Unfortunately, it is not possible to say with
complete confidence whether a federal trial court would order a
specific app to be redesigned to be compatible with VoiceOver, unless
it was produced by a local government entity.

Kelly



On 7/21/15, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> I think that this would come under the Communications and Video
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> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to
> make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and
> such, but what about software?
>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case
> of one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to
> site any relevant legal frameworks if there are any.
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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Andy Baracco]

I think that this would come under the Communications and Video Accessibility 
Act.

Andy

From: Chris Smart 
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Subject: App Accessibility and the ADA
I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to 
make their products accessible?  I know the ADA applies to buildings and such, 
but what about software?

I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case of 
one company, mostly to get their full attention. Obviously I'd like to site any 
relevant legal frameworks if there are any.

Thanks for any info,

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Christopher Chaltain]

In filing your report, I'd refer to the DoJ standards for accessible 
design, which are part of the ADA. You can find more on the web, but 
here's a good starting point 
http://www.interactiveaccessibility.com/services/ada-compliance


My understanding is that all technology coming into public schools or 
most institutes of higher education would already be covered by section 
508 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, so I'm curious what legislation 
the NFB is working on in this respect.



On 07/21/2015 09:58 AM, Marianne Denning wrote:

Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

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I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
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I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case
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Thanks for any info,

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Re: App Accessibility and the ADA

[Marianne Denning]

Chris, there is no current or past legislation that requires apps to
be accessible.  The NFB is working on making all programs that come
into public schools or institutions of higher learning accessible but
it hasn't fully happened yet.

On 7/21/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
> Does the ADA or any other US law compel app and other software developers to
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>
> I'm considering filing a report with the Better Business Bureau in the case
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> Thanks for any info,
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App Accessibility and the ADA

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I'm not a US citizen, so forgive me if this question is ignorant.
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