Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Hello,Mark and everyone. With the font text size slider set to 50% and Reduce Motion set to on, I'm still getting skipping. My network is ATT, and I'm using an iPhone 5 running iOS 8.3. A good example of this is the report spam button in the Gmail app. The only way to find this item is by a careful review of the screen. I realize this is not a native app,but I'm wondering if some buttons and functions are programmed differently and are hence not showing up via VoiceOver. Unfortunately, I can't verify the presence of the visual display cursor Mark noted. Craig On 7/3/15, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Molly, Thank you so much for this feedback. You know, there is a visually displayed VoiceOver cursor that surrounds anything upon which VoiceOver is currently focused. If you have enough vision or have a sighted person available, can you let us know if the VoiceOver visual cursor is also skipping various elements as well? This is to say, is the VoiceOver visual cursor accurately following the speech output? Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Molly O'Sullivan Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I am experiencing this problem on my ipone 6 on ATT, running IOS 8.4, font normal, no zoom, motion reduced. In the Twitter app it will sometimes skip a message or two, and sometimes large chhunks of messages, it's hard to tell how many exactly. It's also doing this in the Facebook app, and in Mail, so it doesn't seem a particular app problem. Molly On 7/3/15, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Craig and All, I have been following this thread and can confidently say that I am not experiencing this particular VoiceOver issue. I have attempted to recreate this problem on two 6 Plus phones running iOS 8.4, to no avail. I would ask all of you experiencing this issue to confirm that you have your display font size set to normal and to turn off zoom mode, if, in fact, you have it turned on. Also, please enable the Reduce Motion feature. Finally, restart the phone, after having cleared/closed all open apps. See if this makes a difference. If you continue to experience this issue after having made the adjustments, described above, I would be interested in learning which wireless provider you use. The two carriers on which I tested this issue are A T T Wireless and Sprint. Good Luck, Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Werner Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com javascript:;. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com javascript:;. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
I am experiencing this problem on my ipone 6 on ATT, running IOS 8.4, font normal, no zoom, motion reduced. In the Twitter app it will sometimes skip a message or two, and sometimes large chhunks of messages, it's hard to tell how many exactly. It's also doing this in the Facebook app, and in Mail, so it doesn't seem a particular app problem. Molly On 7/3/15, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Craig and All, I have been following this thread and can confidently say that I am not experiencing this particular VoiceOver issue. I have attempted to recreate this problem on two 6 Plus phones running iOS 8.4, to no avail. I would ask all of you experiencing this issue to confirm that you have your display font size set to normal and to turn off zoom mode, if, in fact, you have it turned on. Also, please enable the Reduce Motion feature. Finally, restart the phone, after having cleared/closed all open apps. See if this makes a difference. If you continue to experience this issue after having made the adjustments, described above, I would be interested in learning which wireless provider you use. The two carriers on which I tested this issue are A T T Wireless and Sprint. Good Luck, Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Werner Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Hello Molly, Thank you so much for this feedback. You know, there is a visually displayed VoiceOver cursor that surrounds anything upon which VoiceOver is currently focused. If you have enough vision or have a sighted person available, can you let us know if the VoiceOver visual cursor is also skipping various elements as well? This is to say, is the VoiceOver visual cursor accurately following the speech output? Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Molly O'Sullivan Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 6:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I am experiencing this problem on my ipone 6 on ATT, running IOS 8.4, font normal, no zoom, motion reduced. In the Twitter app it will sometimes skip a message or two, and sometimes large chhunks of messages, it's hard to tell how many exactly. It's also doing this in the Facebook app, and in Mail, so it doesn't seem a particular app problem. Molly On 7/3/15, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Craig and All, I have been following this thread and can confidently say that I am not experiencing this particular VoiceOver issue. I have attempted to recreate this problem on two 6 Plus phones running iOS 8.4, to no avail. I would ask all of you experiencing this issue to confirm that you have your display font size set to normal and to turn off zoom mode, if, in fact, you have it turned on. Also, please enable the Reduce Motion feature. Finally, restart the phone, after having cleared/closed all open apps. See if this makes a difference. If you continue to experience this issue after having made the adjustments, described above, I would be interested in learning which wireless provider you use. The two carriers on which I tested this issue are A T T Wireless and Sprint. Good Luck, Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Werner Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
I'm experiencing same here. Regards, Godwin Adoyi Cell: +233244311697 Skype: Gadoyi Sent from Outlook On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:03 PM -0700, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
I have also noticed it in other apps, like Facebook, in notifications, when you start swiping through your notifications, it will skip the first one like it is not even there. So it is not a bug with a particular app, but a voice over bug in general. We all just need to make sure that we report it to apple accessibility and hope it is corrected when ios 9 comes out. Again, I did not have this happen in ios 7, but started with ios 8 back in September. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
RE: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Hello Craig and All, I have been following this thread and can confidently say that I am not experiencing this particular VoiceOver issue. I have attempted to recreate this problem on two 6 Plus phones running iOS 8.4, to no avail. I would ask all of you experiencing this issue to confirm that you have your display font size set to normal and to turn off zoom mode, if, in fact, you have it turned on. Also, please enable the Reduce Motion feature. Finally, restart the phone, after having cleared/closed all open apps. See if this makes a difference. If you continue to experience this issue after having made the adjustments, described above, I would be interested in learning which wireless provider you use. The two carriers on which I tested this issue are A T T Wireless and Sprint. Good Luck, Mark From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Werner Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4 I have noticed this behavior as well. As an example, if I am in the index of messages using the native Mail app, and if the first in the list has already been read, a right flick may bring me to the second message in the list as if the first were not there. The solution, as others have recommended, is to touch the screen rather than swipe or flick. Craig On Thursday, July 2, 2015, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Thanks for the feedback. In my particular case, this problem did not enter into my workflow until 8.4. I'll do some troubleshooting and keep the list posted if I make progress. Best, Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote: As other people said when you previously asked about this, I also have had this problem since ios 8 came out last September. And I have experienced this on both an iphone 5, and an iphone 6. So it is not specifically an ios 8.4 bug. It is more of an ios 8 bug that has not yet been fixed. If you have already tried a hard reset by holding down the home and power buttons, the only other thing you can try that I know of is a restore from a backup, but since the bug does exist, there is not really nothing that you can do to make it go totally away. Hopefully it will be fixed in ios 9 in the fall. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Sorry to be that person, but I haven't been experiencing this, and I've been on iOS 8.3 for a while, and iOS 8.4 for about three days now. Everything seems to be working fine, at least in Mail. I haven't opened up Twitterrific in a while, so I'll have to go see if it's happening there. Thanks, Ari On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Hello, I can confirm this bug as well; however, it just came about in IOS 8.4. It is most noticeable in the Twitter app where it seems as though tweets are being skipped. I have not noticed it in Mail. On 7/2/15, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback. In my particular case, this problem did not enter into my workflow until 8.4. I'll do some troubleshooting and keep the list posted if I make progress. Best, Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote: As other people said when you previously asked about this, I also have had this problem since ios 8 came out last September. And I have experienced this on both an iphone 5, and an iphone 6. So it is not specifically an ios 8.4 bug. It is more of an ios 8 bug that has not yet been fixed. If you have already tried a hard reset by holding down the home and power buttons, the only other thing you can try that I know of is a restore from a backup, but since the bug does exist, there is not really nothing that you can do to make it go totally away. Hopefully it will be fixed in ios 9 in the fall. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
I am not seeing it myself in 8.4, and I don't recall anyone else talking about it before the 8.4 release. I'd strongly suggest reporting it to Apple accessibility though. There may be a 8.4.1 before September, and even if there isn't, you don't want to assume someone else has already reported it and therefore it'll get fixed in IOS 9. It's not that hard to report it, and the more people who do, the more likely it is that it'll be fixed in the next version of IOS. On 07/02/2015 07:05 PM, Shai wrote: Hello, I can confirm this bug as well; however, it just came about in IOS 8.4. It is most noticeable in the Twitter app where it seems as though tweets are being skipped. I have not noticed it in Mail. On 7/2/15, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback. In my particular case, this problem did not enter into my workflow until 8.4. I'll do some troubleshooting and keep the list posted if I make progress. Best, Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote: As other people said when you previously asked about this, I also have had this problem since ios 8 came out last September. And I have experienced this on both an iphone 5, and an iphone 6. So it is not specifically an ios 8.4 bug. It is more of an ios 8 bug that has not yet been fixed. If you have already tried a hard reset by holding down the home and power buttons, the only other thing you can try that I know of is a restore from a backup, but since the bug does exist, there is not really nothing that you can do to make it go totally away. Hopefully it will be fixed in ios 9 in the fall. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
Thank you for this confirmation. September would be a rather long ETA for resolution, so I'll have to think more about my options. Now that I'm aware it's happening, I'm trying to work around it as best as possible but it has caused a lot of confusion. What do others think; can you also confirm this bug? Grant On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
It's a bug - I can confirm. However there's no use reporting it to Apple as it may be fixed in the final version of iOS 9. If you can, downgrade if it's too much of an issue and if Apple still allows for it. On 7/2/2015 10:32 PM, Grant wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Follow-up about serious VoiceOver bug in iOS 8.4
As other people said when you previously asked about this, I also have had this problem since ios 8 came out last September. And I have experienced this on both an iphone 5, and an iphone 6. So it is not specifically an ios 8.4 bug. It is more of an ios 8 bug that has not yet been fixed. If you have already tried a hard reset by holding down the home and power buttons, the only other thing you can try that I know of is a restore from a backup, but since the bug does exist, there is not really nothing that you can do to make it go totally away. Hopefully it will be fixed in ios 9 in the fall. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Grant grant.li...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I sent an Email to the list a couple days ago about a bug I've encountered in iOS 8.4 on an iPhone 5S, where when swiping through elements in a list, some items are missed by VoiceOver. It turns out that this problem is appearing in many more places, including Email messages. I've discovered that often, when using a swipe right or swipe left to move through a message in Mail, or even when doing a two-finger swipe up to read the entire message, some entire paragraphs can be skipped. The only way to tell that this is happening is by reviewing the message multiple times to look for missed text. I've never seen anything quite like this, and I'm wondering if others are finding this as serious as I am. I'm wondering whether to try to erase my device and start from scratch, which I'd just as soon avoid, or whether this is simply a VO bug in iOS 8.4 that has to be worked around. Thanks all. Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
