Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Bill Gallik]

I got my first - an iPhone 5 - in September, 2012.  When I upgraded to my 
current iPhone 6 I “lent” the iPhone 5 to my niece so she would have reasonable 
communications while she’s driving her two daughters around Northern Wisconsin 
during our notably fierce winter months.  She’s continuing to use that iPhone 5 
without any issues just fine.

I will add that when Apple came out with the list of iPhone 5 serial numbers my 
original iPhone was in that list; I sent that iPhone in for the customary 
exchange to cover the faulty battery issue.  I do believe I will not upgrade 
until the iPhone my niece is using “hits the skids” and then I’ll upgrade and 
offer he my iPhone 6.  But it does appear that the iPhone 5 is still holding 
its’ own; that’s going on six years now so I certainly got my money’s worth on 
the purchase of that iPhone.  I’m not in any hurry to upgrade because, frankly, 
I’d prefer to wait for the next incarnation of the iPhone.


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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Daniel McGee]

Thank you mike and everyone else for your info, experiences providing links 
etc. 



It all has been useful knowledge in obtaining. 



I'm truly greatful for the Mac and iPhone Google groups because everyone helps 
out each other and while they can get rather busy sometimes, that is also a 
reason why I like these groups. Because they are still active today and such 
activity is fantastic for one and all in passing information around and 
providing help in email form to those who need it regardless of there ability. 
We can all learn from each other. :)

Kind regards 

Daniel 

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 23:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Most likely the battery in the iphone 8 is larger, I don't think leaving it 
> plugged in caused a problem. When lithium batteries are charged, the charging 
> circuit completely turns off, it does not go in to a trickle charge mode. 
> Here is some information on how charging lithium ion batteries works, 
> actually this site has lots of good battery information.
> http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:17 PM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> technically this is not a battery question but connected. I bought an ankor 
>> charger when I had my iPhone 7. It was about as big as a candy bar. If I 
>> didn't use it to charge my 7 during the day, I left it plugged in (only 
>> because I usually forgot to take it out). When I got my 8 Plus I began to 
>> notice I would only get about 40 percent charge. Eventually I bought a 
>> bigger charger which does a fantastic job, just a bit larger than the other 
>> one. Did I get less life from the charger because there is a bigger battery 
>> in the 8 Plus or did I wear it down by keeping it plugged? My roommate has 
>> it now, and her phone is an Android only about 1 inch smaller around the 
>> case. Thank goodness it is working beautifully for her so I kind of know the 
>> answer or what I think it is. Glad I could get more use out of it, though.
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared 
>> to the other type of battery mike mentioned? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
>>> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
>>> there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
>>> leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
>>> Original message:
 Hello everyone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
 time?
>>> 
 I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
 cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
>>> 
 I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
 device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
 the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if 
 I had to go out somewhere.
>>> 
 Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
 either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
>>> 
 Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Mike Arrigo]

Most likely the battery in the iphone 8 is larger, I don't think leaving it 
plugged in caused a problem. When lithium batteries are charged, the charging 
circuit completely turns off, it does not go in to a trickle charge mode. Here 
is some information on how charging lithium ion batteries works, actually this 
site has lots of good battery information.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:17 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> technically this is not a battery question but connected. I bought an ankor 
> charger when I had my iPhone 7. It was about as big as a candy bar. If I 
> didn't use it to charge my 7 during the day, I left it plugged in (only 
> because I usually forgot to take it out). When I got my 8 Plus I began to 
> notice I would only get about 40 percent charge. Eventually I bought a bigger 
> charger which does a fantastic job, just a bit larger than the other one. Did 
> I get less life from the charger because there is a bigger battery in the 8 
> Plus or did I wear it down by keeping it plugged? My roommate has it now, and 
> her phone is an Android only about 1 inch smaller around the case. Thank 
> goodness it is working beautifully for her so I kind of know the answer or 
> what I think it is. Glad I could get more use out of it, though.
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
> 
> That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared 
> to the other type of battery mike mentioned? 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
>> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
>> there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
>> leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello everyone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>>> time?
>> 
>>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
>> 
>>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>>> had to go out somewhere.
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
>>> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
>> 
>>> Daniel
>> 
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Mike Arrigo]

Usually the battery swelling issue was caused by the separator getting 
punctured within the battery itself. When this happens, a short circuit was 
created. This could also happen if a charger tries to overcharge a battery but 
most lithium ion batteries also have a safety circuit that will shut this down 
if it happens.

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
> the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
> still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
> As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
> the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
> have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where devices 
> which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
>> the time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: 
>> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving 
>> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take 
>> it off if I had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
>> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Mike Arrigo]

Phones have been using this battery type at least since the first iphone, at 
least 10 years. They are also used in laptops.

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
> 
> That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared 
> to the other type of battery mike mentioned? 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
>> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
>> there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
>> leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello everyone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>>> time?
>> 
>>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
>> 
>>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>>> had to go out somewhere.
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
>>> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
>> 
>>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Christopher Chaltain]

This happened to me on the iPhone 5 my employer provided me, and I most 
definitely did not leave it on the charger all of the time. I know this 
is anecdotal but I don't think a swelling battery has anything to do 
with whether you leave your phone charging or not, but it's probably 
more likely do to a defective battery or phone. Of course it's unlikely, 
but maybe someone just got two phones with defective batteries.



There's a lot on the web about this, but most of the resources I've seen 
claim that it's OK to leave your phone charging all of the time. The 
electronics in the battery and the phone should take care of things for 
you. Here's just one such article I found 
http://www.businessinsider.com/safe-charge-smartphone-overnight-2017-8



Someone from Apple may tell you it's your fault since they're working 
under the same misconceptions as others in the general public. they may 
also tell you this because they don't want to let you know there may be 
a problem with Apple's batteries or electronics in their iPhones.



On 01/12/2018 03:59 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation 
and one was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th 
generation. I had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech 
said that it was me keeping the device plugged up all the time that 
was the problem. Why else would the battery swell on two different 
generations of iPods? What else could have caused it if not keeping 
them plugged up? The 6th generation was fairly new. I wanted to get 
them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 to get repaired.


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the 
house and the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after 
over 5 years it still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem 
with the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would 
eventually have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 
disaster where devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into 
flames.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with 
lithium ion batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging 
circuit turns off, there is no such thing as a trickle charge for 
these kinds of batteries, so leaving it connected to a charger should 
be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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RE: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Nobody forces you to upgrade although in my opinion a smartphone's lifespan is 
limited just as the lifespan of a laptop although it can be somewhat longer. I 
think a recently current iPhone can easily run for 4 or 5 years and if after 3 
or 4 years you change the battery maybe longer, it would be an interesting 
experiment, biut most people get rid of their phones after a couple of years 
and many are now on these annual upgrade plans.
As for the temperatures in Canada that depends, move to Vancouver or even 
better Victoria pon Vancouver Island and you will rarely see snow or 
temperatures below freezing. Unfortunately Vancouver is also one of the most 
expensive cities in Canada and, for that matter, in the world when it comes to 
rents and real estate.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 5:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger 
all the time

I want to move to Canada! Too bad it's a little colder there than where I am in 
Massachusetts. I need to come up there and start exploring around! Anyway nice 
post. I especially like your comment about touch screen commands and being able 
to activate something while the phone is in your pocket. I really don't have 
any use for myself or any of the added features on smart phones because I don't 
do banking or anything particularly sophisticated  on my phone. My favorite 
apps our podcast calendar Facebook that all the reading programs for the blind, 
Scanning programs, tune in radio, camera photos is great but honestly just just 
don't have any use for much more than that. I really wish there was not this 
continual race to upgrade, Or let me just say that it  holds no use for me 
personally.

Deidre


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better 
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may 
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much 
> more attractive option.  
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see 
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print 
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having 
> the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till 
> it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year 
> so that'll only help too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a 
> charger all the time
> 
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like 
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your 
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S 
> with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on 
> was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I 
> am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, 
> how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple 
> the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a 
> fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool 
> this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while 
> Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock 
> my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't 
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and 
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we 
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail 
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the 
> large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a 
> few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting 
> along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb 
> a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is 
> quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have 
> is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 

Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Deidre Muccio]

I want to move to Canada! Too bad it's a little colder there than where I am in 
Massachusetts. I need to come up there and start exploring around! Anyway nice 
post. I especially like your comment about touch screen commands and being able 
to activate something while the phone is in your pocket. I really don't have 
any use for myself or any of the added features on smart phones because I don't 
do banking or anything particularly sophisticated  on my phone. My favorite 
apps our podcast calendar Facebook that all the reading programs for the blind, 
Scanning programs, tune in radio, camera photos is great but honestly just just 
don't have any use for much more than that. I really wish there was not this 
continual race to upgrade, Or let me just say that it  holds no use for me 
personally.

Deidre


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better 
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may 
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much 
> more attractive option.  
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see 
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print 
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having 
> the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till 
> it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year 
> so that'll only help too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger 
> all the time
> 
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like 
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your 
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S 
> with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on 
> was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I 
> am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, 
> how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple 
> the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a 
> fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool 
> this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while 
> Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock 
> my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't 
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and 
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we 
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail 
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the 
> large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a 
> few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting 
> along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb 
> a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is 
> quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have 
> is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 
> 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to 
> $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that 
> time. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
> 
> Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.
> 
> I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, 
> and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.
> 
> What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
> Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?
> 
> Victor
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
> 
> Hi,
> It is through my 

Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Gerardo Corripio]

Yes exactly more or less premium features is why this coming November when my 
plan is renewed, I’m kind of starting to do research on what the best phone 
would be? I’m between the SE series with smaller screen, lacking 3D touch and 
others, versus taking advantage of the 6S,&7 series with 3D touch and other 
more-advanced features. If the 2nd Generation SE would include 3D tuch, 
probably, but otherwise, part of me is still debating with which line to go 
with! Thanks for tips.
And also some of you guys have talked about having to go with the competition 
because of the prices? That’s exactly what happened with AT IN APRIL2015 WHEN 
MY IPHONE 3GS HIT THE DUST, AND IT CAME TIME TO UPGRADE MY PLAN; BECAUSE THE 4S 
WAS KIND OF EXPENSIVE FOR THE FAMILY BUDGET, I HAD TO FORCEFULLY SWITCH, BUT NO 
GO! SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, I WAS BACK IN THE IOS WORLD, WITH A USED 4S AND HAVE 
NEVER LOOKED BACK! I DON’T WANT TO COME ACROSS AN APPLE FAN BOY, BUT THATS FOR 
ANOTHER LIST AND THREAD MY IMPRESSIONS OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHERS.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 13/01/2018, a la(s) 1:44 a. m., lenron brown  escribió:

> I really love my touch ID so I am going to stick with this IPhone
> 7plus for as long as I Need an IOS device. Especially since it's
> completely paid off. The 8plus would pretty much be this phone with
> not many upgrades. So unless there is a new phone that's better with
> touch ID this year I am good.
> 
>> On 1/12/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
>> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better
>> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may
>> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much
>> more attractive option.
>> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If
>> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see
>> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print
>> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than
>> having the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that
>> phone till it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out
>> this year so that'll only help too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger
>> all the time
>> 
>> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or
>> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like
>> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your
>> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4
>> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone
>> 4S with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my
>> next on was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first
>> time I am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that
>> phone, how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll
>> pay Apple the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well
>> keep it for a fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do
>> something pretty cool this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging
>> is tempting, but while Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how
>> it allows me to unlock my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my
>> jacket pocket.
>> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't
>> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and
>> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we
>> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail
>> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of
>> the large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted
>> only a few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and
>> texting along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use
>> even 2 Gb a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even
>> then 6 Gb is quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like
>> what we have is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract,
>> this means over 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year
>> that goes up to $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an
>> iPhone 8 in that time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Victor Gouveia
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Harming battery 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Gerardo Corripio]

And here in Mexico, it’s Virgen. And speaking of upgrades on iPhones, Telcel 
(in the US., it’s Straitalk, or when a Telcel customer goes over there, the 
phome’s Network status says T Mobil), Telcel too has post-paid plans in which 
you get phones at reduced prices: this 5s for instance, in stores, it costs 
(back in November2016 at least, the equivalent of USD$300 (Mx6000), and in 
Telcel with the plan I currently have, paying the phone outright made the price 
lower to the equivalent of USD$250 (MX$4800) THUS WITH THE REMAINING MX$1200, 
helped in paying 6 months of the plan. This November my 24-month plan needs 
renewal, nd the right to a newer phone. So yes I understand what you guys are 
talking about plans, phones at reduced prices and the like. Out of the 3 main 
carriers here (elcel, AT and Movilstar(Telefónica) I’ve found that Telcel has 
the most deals on lans and phones. Oh and also what helps is during the plan, 
you get points for each monthly bill (as long as you don’t go over) which you 
save, for more reduced-prices on phones! So that’s a help as well! That’s why 
I’m saying that Telcel is the more-friendly of the carriers when it comes to 
plans, upgrades and the like as has been my experiences since 2012 July with my 
iPhones; I was first with AT/T but switched over to Telcel some years after 
because of AT not having these opportunities in getting new phones at reduced 
prices.exprTeefonica )

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 13/01/2018, a la(s) 12:44 a. m., Sieghard Weitzel  
escribió:

> It means "Mobil Virtual Network Operator".
> These are companies like Koodo, Virgin or Fido here in Canada who are mobil 
> carriers, but they don't have their own networks/infrastructure but lease 
> wireless telephone and data services from Bell, Roger and Telus.
> Unfortunately here in Canada each of the big 3 owns one of the MVNO's, Bell 
> owns Virgin, Rogers owns Fido and Telus owns Koodo and this does somewhat 
> reduce the competitive edge these MVNO's bring to other markets.
> I think out east you have Wind mobil and maybe a couple of others who are 
> still independent.
> In the States there is a whole bunch of MVNO's, Consumer Cellular, Cricket, 
> FreedomPop, Straight Talk are some of the more well-known companies, some 
> like Straight Talk offer service on all 4 major networks, AT, Sprint, 
> T-Mobil and Verizon.
> According to this Wikipedia article about the List of United States MVNO's 
> there are over 90 of them.
> Most countries in Europe also have a bunch of them which results in much 
> greater competition hence usually lower prices. Canada is often mentioned as 
> having some of the most expensive internet, wireless phone and TV service and 
> that might be true, but one thing one should not forget is that it is of 
> course easier to maintain all that infrastructure and have a lot of customers 
> in countries which are much smaller and have a lot more population. Our 
> carriers also are expected to provide service in all these remote places 
> where they only have a few customers and that is not easy.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>  
> Robin,, I noticed you used the same term in your message as Sieghard did, 
> "MVNO".
>  
> What does that term mean?
>  
> Victor
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>  
> Hi,
> No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an 
> emoticon.  I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different 
> circumstances and tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan 
> type contracts or the ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest.
> whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad 
> for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is 
> saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>  
> Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
> leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
> for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
> device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
> they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.
>  
> I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
> offer, I 

Re: New Battery Technology - Was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Lithium-Titanate is the big story in big batteries.  China has a rechargeable 
electric ship, spoilt by carrying something completely 
unecological.

RobH.

Ps:  L-T batteries are, or are round here, the size of a trailer mounted 
shipping container, and used in local power sub-bstations 
to kick in to cover power spikes,  yet charge off the grid in between. i.e:  
about 30ft long by 9ft sq on the ends and run in kv 
with out put quoted in the low Mw(megawatts) range.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Gallik" 
To: "viPhone E-Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 2:01 AM
Subject: New Battery Technology - Was: Harming battery if left on a charger all 
the time


Last winter I read an article in Science News concerning the 
soon-to-be-on-the-market new battery technologies.  If memory serves 
me, one of these technologies is a Sodium-Ion battery.  There was a second very 
promising technology also being touted; this one was 
some sort of Lithium-Something-or-other technology.  Hmmm, maybe it was 
Lithium-Sodium but I don’t remember - suppose I should go do 
some googling before posting such an e-mail.

But, the gist of that article is that are new battery technologies coming down 
the pike that will offer significantly more charge 
retention and recharge cycles than even the current Lithium-Ion technology.  
The rub, these technologies needed to pass the safety 
thresh-hold where they do not blow up or break into fire.  After reading that 
article, I marveled that even our familiar Lithium-Ion 
batteries are not more volatile; but that technology has passed the 
fore-mentioned safety test for the most part.  The batteries 
that were breaking into flame were indeed faulty construction not maintaining 
appropriate isolation between the Lithium and Ion 
components.

I just this might be of interest considering the thread from whence this 
appeared.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “The Early Bird may get the worm, but the Second Mouse gets the Cheese!”
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Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

I really love my touch ID so I am going to stick with this IPhone
7plus for as long as I Need an IOS device. Especially since it's
completely paid off. The 8plus would pretty much be this phone with
not many upgrades. So unless there is a new phone that's better with
touch ID this year I am good.

On 1/12/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much
> more attractive option.
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than
> having the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that
> phone till it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out
> this year so that'll only help too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger
> all the time
>
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone
> 4S with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my
> next on was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first
> time I am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that
> phone, how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll
> pay Apple the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well
> keep it for a fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do
> something pretty cool this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging
> is tempting, but while Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how
> it allows me to unlock my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my
> jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of
> the large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted
> only a few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and
> texting along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use
> even 2 Gb a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even
> then 6 Gb is quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like
> what we have is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract,
> this means over 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year
> that goes up to $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an
> iPhone 8 in that time.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.
>
> I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
> and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.
>
> What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
>
> Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
> you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

Okay first off leasing is possible yes. You just trade it end at the
end of the year and get the next device. Secondly If I buy a budget
android phone at $150 and I get a year or two out of it that's a plus.
I could just buy the next version by then still saving a lot of cash I
would have spent on an IPhone. So at that point why would I care about
a budget phone getting every update. Now even if I did buy a high end
android device I am going to at least get 2 years of major updates.
Even if with some companies they may be a bit slower. Remember IPhones
are just one device with different sizes so everything is the same,
android phones you have so many sizes flavors and all so of course
updates take longer at time. You also have a lot more control over
your app defaults and things.

On 1/13/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> No offense Victor, but that $150 Android phone from China may sound like it
> has similar hardware, but there is a reason why the iPhone still blows away
> even the high-end Android phones in most speed tests and they nowadays cost
> just as much an most  iPhones. But I agree that it is tempting and if your
> Android does what you want then that is great. I am almost certain, though,
> that you will not use your relatively inexpensive Android phone for 4 years
> and if you do there is a pretty good chance you are going to be way behind
> when it comes to software. As I said earlier, I am going into year 3 now
> with my 6S Plus, I'm on the latest iOS update, my phone runs absolutely
> great and while my battery at this point seems to be pretty good, I'd be
> stupid not to take advantage of Apple's $35 offer to get a new battery at
> some point this year. Even if I end up getting a new iPhone this September
> or October, being able to show that the phone has a new battery combined
> with the fact that It's almost always in a case and has a glass screen
> protector which means it's cosmetically virtually in mint condition will go
> a long way to getting a higher price for it when I sell it.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years
> ago.
>
> I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I
> tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than
> Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.
>
> Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were
> getting, and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android
> versions, I got a hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed
> that Talkback had gotten better.
>
> Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I
> still haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the
> ability to customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price
> phones as good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just
> became too much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last
> month.
>
> I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my
> wife was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had
> given the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be
> confused with the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.
>
> My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an
> iPhone as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt
> Android.  Sort of no choice, really.
>
> When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone
> from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your
> budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi Victor,
>
> But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo
> which of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes
> no difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
> I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting
> thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus
> will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone
> 6S Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again
> until the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured
> as a separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and
> they paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that
> is when I decided to upgrade to a 6S 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No offense Victor, but that $150 Android phone from China may sound like it has 
similar hardware, but there is a reason why the iPhone still blows away even 
the high-end Android phones in most speed tests and they nowadays cost just as 
much an most  iPhones. But I agree that it is tempting and if your Android does 
what you want then that is great. I am almost certain, though, that you will 
not use your relatively inexpensive Android phone for 4 years and if you do 
there is a pretty good chance you are going to be way behind when it comes to 
software. As I said earlier, I am going into year 3 now with my 6S Plus, I'm on 
the latest iOS update, my phone runs absolutely great and while my battery at 
this point seems to be pretty good, I'd be stupid not to take advantage of 
Apple's $35 offer to get a new battery at some point this year. Even if I end 
up getting a new iPhone this September or October, being able to show that the 
phone has a new battery combined with the fact that It's almost always in a 
case and has a glass screen protector which means it's cosmetically virtually 
in mint condition will go a long way to getting a higher price for it when I 
sell it. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years ago.

I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I 
tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than 
Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.

Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were getting, 
and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android versions, I got a 
hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed that Talkback had 
gotten better.

Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I still 
haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the ability to 
customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price phones as 
good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just became too 
much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last month.

I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my wife 
was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had given 
the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be confused with 
the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.

My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an iPhone 
as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt Android.  
Sort of no choice, really.

When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone 
from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your 
budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo which 
of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes no 
difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 6S 
Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again until 
the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured as a 
separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and they 
paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that is when 
I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store unlocked. 
Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last January and then 
my wife and I switched to Koodo.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It means "Mobil Virtual Network Operator".

These are companies like Koodo, Virgin or Fido here in Canada who are mobil 
carriers, but they don't have their own networks/infrastructure but lease 
wireless telephone and data services from Bell, Roger and Telus.

Unfortunately here in Canada each of the big 3 owns one of the MVNO's, Bell 
owns Virgin, Rogers owns Fido and Telus owns Koodo and this does somewhat 
reduce the competitive edge these MVNO's bring to other markets.

I think out east you have Wind mobil and maybe a couple of others who are still 
independent.

In the States there is a whole bunch of MVNO's, Consumer Cellular, Cricket, 
FreedomPop, Straight Talk are some of the more well-known companies, some like 
Straight Talk offer service on all 4 major networks, AT, Sprint, T-Mobil and 
Verizon.

According to this Wikipedia article about the List of United States 
MVNO's
 there are over 90 of them.

Most countries in Europe also have a bunch of them which results in much 
greater competition hence usually lower prices. Canada is often mentioned as 
having some of the most expensive internet, wireless phone and TV service and 
that might be true, but one thing one should not forget is that it is of course 
easier to maintain all that infrastructure and have a lot of customers in 
countries which are much smaller and have a lot more population. Our carriers 
also are expected to provide service in all these remote places where they only 
have a few customers and that is not easy.





Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Robin,, I noticed you used the same term in your message as Sieghard did, 
"MVNO".



What does that term mean?



Victor



-Original Message-

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Hi,

No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an emoticon. 
 I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different circumstances and 
tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan type contracts or the 
ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest.

whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad 
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is 
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.

Take good care.

Robin





-Original Message-

From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.



I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.



I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a month 
ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which offered me 
six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US and Canada, and 
global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, almost a decade until I 
switched to Android and was able to change and get a better deal with a more 
local carrier.  I was reading about all the incredible plans people were 
getting from the US, and some in Canada, and that green giant, Jealousy, would 
inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for staying with the same ridiculous plan 
for so many years.



What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.



Victor



-Original Message-

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Hi,

Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated sales 
taxes. the other associated 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin,, I noticed you used the same term in your message as Sieghard did, 
"MVNO".


What does that term mean?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an
emoticon.  I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different
circumstances and tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan
type contracts or the ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest.
whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.
Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do,
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years,
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that,
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years ago.

I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I 
tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than 
Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.


Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were 
getting, and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android 
versions, I got a hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed 
that Talkback had gotten better.


Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I 
still haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the 
ability to customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price 
phones as good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just 
became too much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last 
month.


I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my 
wife was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had 
given the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be 
confused with the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.


My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an 
iPhone as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt 
Android.  Sort of no choice, really.


When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone 
from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your 
budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo 
which of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes 
no difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 
6S Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again 
until the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured 
as a separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and 
they paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that 
is when I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store 
unlocked. Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last 
January and then my wife and I switched to Koodo.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your 
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of 
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, 
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.


I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.


I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a 
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which 
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US 
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, 
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a 
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the 
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and 
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for 
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.


What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.


Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated 
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an 
emoticon.  I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different 
circumstances and tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan 
type contracts or the ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest. 
whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad 
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is 
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.

Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do,
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years,
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that,
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo which 
of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes no 
difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 6S 
Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again until 
the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured as a 
separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and they 
paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that is when 
I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store unlocked. 
Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last January and then 
my wife and I switched to Koodo.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a month 
ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which offered me 
six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US and Canada, and 
global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, almost a decade until I 
switched to Android and was able to change and get a better deal with a more 
local carrier.  I was reading about all the incredible plans people were 
getting from the US, and some in Canada, and that green giant, Jealousy, would 
inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for staying with the same ridiculous plan 
for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated sales 
taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data and 
other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would remain as 
they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my 
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are 
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope that 
clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone merely 
that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my battery 
issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
   Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your 
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of 
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, 
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.


I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.


I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a 
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which 
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US 
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, 
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a 
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the 
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and 
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for 
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.


What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for 

RE: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Cristóbal]

That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better performance 
without having to pay a premium price for features that we may not be able to 
use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much more attractive 
option.  
The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see since 
I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print feature. 
She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having the latest 
and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till it gives up 
the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year so that'll only 
help too.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all 
the time

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated 
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data 
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would 
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my 
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are 
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope 
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone 
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my 
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.

Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 

Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me an 
iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to say 
I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as it's my 
beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single problem or 
displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my units are 
usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, 
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.


What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

I do the same thing from T-Mobile I just ended up paying off my IPhone
though. My next couple devices I might just switch up each year. It
really depends on how much I like whatever phone I get next. I don't
over think the price because if I truly had to buy it out in one go, I
would probably just save. Luckly this is not an issue.

On 1/12/18, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
> the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front
> and
> never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
> (smile).
> If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
> windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy
> me
> an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
> say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
> it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one
> single
> problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
> units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
> batteries either.
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: MamaPeach
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
> was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
> had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
> keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
> would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
> could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
> fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
> to get repaired.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house
> and
> the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
> still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
> As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
> the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
> have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
> devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
> there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
> leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
>
>
>
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
>> the time?
>
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
>> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
>
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
>> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
>> it off if I had to go out somewhere.
>
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
>> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
>
>> Daniel
>
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were 
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and 
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in 
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new 
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me 
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to 
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as 
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single 
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my 
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older 
batteries either.

Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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New Battery Technology - Was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Bill Gallik]

Last winter I read an article in Science News concerning the 
soon-to-be-on-the-market new battery technologies.  If memory serves me, one of 
these technologies is a Sodium-Ion battery.  There was a second very promising 
technology also being touted; this one was some sort of 
Lithium-Something-or-other technology.  Hmmm, maybe it was Lithium-Sodium but I 
don’t remember - suppose I should go do some googling before posting such an 
e-mail.

But, the gist of that article is that are new battery technologies coming down 
the pike that will offer significantly more charge retention and recharge 
cycles than even the current Lithium-Ion technology.  The rub, these 
technologies needed to pass the safety thresh-hold where they do not blow up or 
break into fire.  After reading that article, I marveled that even our familiar 
Lithium-Ion batteries are not more volatile; but that technology has passed the 
fore-mentioned safety test for the most part.  The batteries that were breaking 
into flame were indeed faulty construction not maintaining appropriate 
isolation between the Lithium and Ion components.

I just this might be of interest considering the thread from whence this 
appeared.


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[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me an 
iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to say 
I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as it's my 
beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single problem or 
displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my units are 
usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one was 
a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I had them 
both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me keeping the 
device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else would the battery 
swell on two different generations of iPods? What else could have caused it if 
not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was fairly new. I wanted to get 
them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it still 
holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with the 
battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually have 
happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where devices which 
weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving 
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take 
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to 
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as 
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single 
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my 
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older 
batteries either.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: MamaPeach

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

And of course, a single person's experience proves nothing either way when 
answering a question such as this.



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Chip Orange
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

As Sieghard mentioned re the Samsung Note 7, what could have caused it was a 
flaw in the design or the quality of the battery which was supplied.  I am not 
sure which was the real cause in the Samsung incident, but it happene inspite 
of using Lithium batteries, not because of (with your iPods I mean), so there 
was a manufacturing flaw somewhere.

Chip


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MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

As Sieghard mentioned re the Samsung Note 7, what could have caused it was a 
flaw in the design or the quality of the battery which was supplied.  I am not 
sure which was the real cause in the Samsung incident, but it happene inspite 
of using Lithium batteries, not because of (with your iPods I mean), so there 
was a manufacturing flaw somewhere.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

I think the very first iPhone was using Lithium batteries, and by then most 
rechargables, so perhaps 10 yearss?  Has it been that long since the iPhone was 
introduced?

Chip


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Daniel McGee
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[MamaPeach]

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[regina alvarado]

technically this is not a battery question but connected. I bought an ankor 
charger when I had my iPhone 7. It was about as big as a candy bar. If I didn't 
use it to charge my 7 during the day, I left it plugged in (only because I 
usually forgot to take it out). When I got my 8 Plus I began to notice I would 
only get about 40 percent charge. Eventually I bought a bigger charger which 
does a fantastic job, just a bit larger than the other one. Did I get less life 
from the charger because there is a bigger battery in the 8 Plus or did I wear 
it down by keeping it plugged? My roommate has it now, and her phone is an 
Android only about 1 inch smaller around the case. Thank goodness it is working 
beautifully for her so I kind of know the answer or what I think it is. Glad I 
could get more use out of it, though.

Reggie and Lex

On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it still 
holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with the 
battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually have 
happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where devices which 
weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: 
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving 
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take 
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Daniel McGee]

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Mike Arrigo]

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium 
ion batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns 
off, there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of 
batteries, so leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone




Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
the time?


I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.


I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it 
on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it 
off if I had to go out somewhere.


Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

No, not with lithium batteries and sophisticated chargers of today ... they 
don't even start charging until your battery to depleted down to a preset level 
to avoid this very issue ... the phone will just operate off of the charger's 
power if the battery is above the preset threshhold for charging.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel McGee
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:56 PM
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Subject: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hello everyone 



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time? 

I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge cycles 
before they can't hold a charge anymore. 

I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the device 
but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on the charger 
for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I had to go out 
somewhere. 

Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery. 

Daniel 

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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[MamaPeach]

I left an iPod on to charge all the time and it caused the battery to swlel 
to the point that the device came totally apart, the front detached from the 
back. When I had it fixed, the tech person said it is not recommended to 
leave any device like that plugged in all of the time. So now, I make sure, 
even if the battery runs down to only charge it when it is necessary, when I 
need to use the device.


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From: Daniel McGee

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hello everyone



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time?


I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.


I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
had to go out somewhere.


Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.


Daniel

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Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Daniel McGee]

Hello everyone 



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time? 

I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge cycles 
before they can't hold a charge anymore. 

I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the device 
but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on the charger 
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somewhere. 

Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery. 

Daniel 

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