Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-15 Thread Chris Smart


there ya go (grin)
At 12:47 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
I generally let itunes rip the
cd as it wants and then I tab over to Recently Added, highlight the
relevant album tracks, Get Info and change the album details there.
Harry
 
On 15 Jun 2015, at 05:22, Chris Smart
<csma...@cogeco.ca>
wrote:
although it isn't specifically
for iTunes. it can help when you're tagging large numbers of audio
files.
At 12:20 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
This little program may
help:

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
Chris
At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
Somewhat unhappy
news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time radio
discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the
cd info button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that
info, too.  When I tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded
amis.  I ripped the cd.  Itunes didn't put the cd where I
expected it, under artist, but it put it under the original artist which
was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there seems to be an
issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or
two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 
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Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-15 Thread Gary Petraccaro
Looks like I need more info.  I don't see a recently added.  I don't see 
anything like it.
If I have to enable it, how do I do it?
Thanks.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Harry Bell 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Itunes 12.1


  I generally let itunes rip the cd as it wants and then I tab over to Recently 
Added, highlight the relevant album tracks, Get Info and change the album 
details there. Harry

   

  On 15 Jun 2015, at 05:22, Chris Smart  wrote:


although it isn't specifically for iTunes. it can help when you're tagging 
large numbers of audio files.

At 12:20 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

  This little program may help:
  http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

  Chris

  At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old 
time radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than 
what they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 

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Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-15 Thread Gary Petraccaro
I've heard of it.  Thanks.

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  From: Chris Smart 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: Itunes 12.1


  This little program may help:
  http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

  Chris

  At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:

Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time 
radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what 
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 

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Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-14 Thread Harry Bell
I generally let itunes rip the cd as it wants and then I tab over to Recently 
Added, highlight the relevant album tracks, Get Info and change the album 
details there. Harry

 

> On 15 Jun 2015, at 05:22, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> although it isn't specifically for iTunes. it can help when you're tagging 
> large numbers of audio files.
> 
> At 12:20 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
>> This little program may help:
>> http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
>>> Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time 
>>> radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than 
>>> what they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd 
>>> info button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  
>>> When I tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped 
>>> the cd.  Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it 
>>> put it under the original artist which was one of the things I had changed. 
>>>  Also, there seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith 
>>> Murder Case and a date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first 
>>> number or two.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
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Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-14 Thread Chris Smart


although it isn't specifically for iTunes. it can help when you're
tagging large numbers of audio files.
At 12:20 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
This little program may
help:

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
Chris
At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
Somewhat unhappy
news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time radio
discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the
cd info button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that
info, too.  When I tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded
amis.  I ripped the cd.  Itunes didn't put the cd where I
expected it, under artist, but it put it under the original artist which
was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there seems to be an
issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or
two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 
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Re: Itunes 12.1

2015-06-14 Thread Chris Smart


This little program may help:

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
Chris
At 12:11 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote:
Somewhat unhappy
news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time radio
discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the
cd info button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that
info, too.  When I tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded
amis.  I ripped the cd.  Itunes didn't put the cd where I
expected it, under artist, but it put it under the original artist which
was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there seems to be an
issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or
two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.
 
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Itunes 12.1

2015-06-14 Thread Gary Petraccaro
Somewhat unhappy news from ripping with iTunes 12.1.  I have some old time 
radio discs which showed up on the database as being different albums than what 
they are.  I changed the track names successfully, and went to the cd info 
button and clicked that.  I thought I'd changed all that info, too.  When I 
tabbed through the various fields nothing sounded amis.  I ripped the cd.  
Itunes didn't put the cd where I expected it, under artist, but it put it under 
the original artist which was one of the things I had changed.  Also, there 
seems to be an issue of names.  The names were The John Smith Murder Case and a 
date 01-02-15.  All names were truncated after the first number or two.
Any ideas?
Again, pointing to tutorials, books, or podcast is welcomed.
Thanks.

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Re: [blindtunesbeta] blind tunes 5.1.5 released for itunes 12.1 64 bit

2015-02-18 Thread Chris Smart

I hope lots of people are emailing and calling Apple Accessibility!!!

At 04:09 PM 2/14/2015, you wrote:
This corrects the radio and other object navigation. It is getting 
closer to working at 80% accessibility but needs further tweaking. 
Some features are impossible to fix.

download
http://www.blindtunes.net/BlindTunes5.1.5Setup.exe
http://www.blindtunes.net/BlindTunes3.zip
Cheers,
John


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Re: Need link for the itunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-18 Thread Robert Doc Wright
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784.
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Subject: Need link for the itunes 12.1 fix


Could someone repost the link for the itunes 12.1 fix?  Many thanks.
Wendy

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Re: Need link for the itunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-17 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Here's the message Robert Doc Wright posted. I just grabbed it from the 
archive.




Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784

On 02/17/2015 12:19 PM, Wendy Alling wrote:

Could someone repost the link for the itunes 12.1 fix?  Many thanks.
Wendy



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itunes 12.1 from Apple, or the horse's mouth

2015-02-17 Thread Richard Turner
This is the first helpful message I have ever received from Apple Accessibility 
when I have sent in a report of an issue.
So, for those who are still looking for the official Apple resources concerning 
iTunes 12.1, here it is:  

  Hello, 

Apologies for not getting back to you before now. We have determined that some 
individuals who use iTunes 12.1 with third-party screen readers on Windows 
64-bit systems may experience improved functionality by uninstalling their 
currently installed version of iTunes and installing the version found here: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784.



We recommend the following article for steps on how to uninstall iTunes: 
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1923. It is a best practice to restart the 
computer prior to reinstalling iTunes.



Thank you,



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Need link for the itunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-17 Thread Wendy Alling
Could someone repost the link for the itunes 12.1 fix?  Many thanks.
Wendy

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Re: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-15 Thread Robert Doc Wright
The fix is for those of us who had upgraded to the latest and found it did 
not work.
- Original Message - 
From: "Don & Cher" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix


I thought if iTunes 12.1 had not been installed, that there was no problem. 
So why install a fix? Confused!

Cher


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Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

Hi

If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to uninstall 
the earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in this 
post and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this so can't 
compare though.

On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>
>
> Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to
> uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be
> properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place
> the link for the fix afterwards.
>
>
> Uninstalling  iTunes
>
> Steps
>
> 1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.
>
> Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software
> components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
> 1.iTunes
> 2.Apple Software Update
> 3.Apple Mobile Device Support
> 4.Bonjour
> 5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)
>
> Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only
> uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.
>
> iTunes 64 bit fix
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784
>
> 
> If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
> learning start?
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RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-15 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You will only need the version for older video cards if you are running the 64 
bit version of Windows 7 or 8, apparently there is no problem if you are using 
a 32 bit version

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

Cher is right, if you're running an older version of iTunes, such as 
12.01 then you won't need a patch. If you install iTunes 12.1 for the 
first time on your PC then yes you will need a patch.

On 02/15/2015 04:03 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
> I share that confusion. I do not have iTunes on my PC. If I installed
> fresh, would I still need the fix?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Don & Cher
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix
>
> I thought if iTunes 12.1 had not been installed, that there was no
> problem. So why install a fix? Confused!
>
> Cher
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix
>
> Hi
>
> If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to
> uninstall the earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix
>
> I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in
> this post and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this
> so can't compare though.
>
> On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to
>> uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be
>> properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place
>> the link for the fix afterwards.
>>
>>
>> Uninstalling  iTunes
>>
>> Steps
>>
>> 1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.
>>
>> Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software
>> components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
>> 1.iTunes
>> 2.Apple Software Update
>> 3.Apple Mobile Device Support
>> 4.Bonjour
>> 5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)
>>
>> Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only
>> uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.
>>
>> iTunes 64 bit fix
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784
>>
>> 
>> If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
>> learning start?
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Re: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Cher is right, if you're running an older version of iTunes, such as 
12.01 then you won't need a patch. If you install iTunes 12.1 for the 
first time on your PC then yes you will need a patch.


On 02/15/2015 04:03 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

I share that confusion. I do not have iTunes on my PC. If I installed
fresh, would I still need the fix?

Andy


-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I thought if iTunes 12.1 had not been installed, that there was no
problem. So why install a fix? Confused!

Cher


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

Hi

If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to
uninstall the earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in
this post and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this
so can't compare though.

On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to
uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be
properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place
the link for the fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software
components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only
uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
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Re: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-15 Thread Andy Baracco
I share that confusion. I do not have iTunes on my PC. If I installed fresh, 
would I still need the fix?


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Don & Cher

Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I thought if iTunes 12.1 had not been installed, that there was no problem. 
So why install a fix? Confused!


Cher


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Of Mike O'Brien

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

Hi

If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to uninstall 
the earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in this 
post and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this so can't 
compare though.


On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to
uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be
properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place
the link for the fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software
components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only
uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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RE: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-15 Thread Don & Cher
I thought if iTunes 12.1 had not been installed, that there was no problem. So 
why install a fix? Confused!

Cher


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Mike O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

Hi

If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to uninstall the 
earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in this post 
and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this so can't compare 
though.

On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>
>
> Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to 
> uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be 
> properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place 
> the link for the fix afterwards.
>
>
> Uninstalling  iTunes
>
> Steps
>
> 1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.
>
> Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software 
> components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
> 1.iTunes
> 2.Apple Software Update
> 3.Apple Mobile Device Support
> 4.Bonjour
> 5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)
>
> Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only 
> uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.
>
> iTunes 64 bit fix
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784
>
> 
> If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
> learning start?
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RE: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-12 Thread Mike O'Brien
Hi

If iTunes 12.1 had never been installed, is it still necessary to uninstall the 
earlier version of iTunes before installing the fix?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 08:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in this post 
and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before this so can't compare 
though.

On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>
>
> Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to 
> uninstall iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be 
> properly uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place 
> the link for the fix afterwards.
>
>
> Uninstalling  iTunes
>
> Steps
>
> 1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.
>
> Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software 
> components in the following order. Then restart your computer.
> 1.iTunes
> 2.Apple Software Update
> 3.Apple Mobile Device Support
> 4.Bonjour
> 5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)
>
> Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only 
> uninstall some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.
>
> iTunes 64 bit fix
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784
>
> 
> If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
> learning start?
>
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Re: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Robert Doc Wright
I gave that uninstall information for just in case.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 fix


Hi Robert,

Thanks for that download link, I installed this version of iTunes 12.1 and 
all works fine. I did not uninstall anything, just installed over top of 
iTunes 12.0.1.

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Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning
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Re: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Robert Doc Wright
I got it from Apple support which is what you see wwhen the page opens.
I googled and found the uninstallation order.
- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:00 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 fix


Speaking of where information comes from, as we were earlier today on this 
list, I have to ask. Where did this come from? How do I know that this link 
and this order of uninstalls is valid. Give us the source please.

Neal


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Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall 
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly 
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the 
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in 
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall 
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

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RE: [Bulk] RE: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Lizand Sammie
Thank you Robert for posting the link.  I did not uninstall anything either.
It is so nice to be able to read my album list and radio stations again.
Note to self, do not be so quick to update iTunes when a new update comes
along.  

Liz Ulrich and Leader dog sammie
Grace Harbor Church Prayer chain coordinator 
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1




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Re: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Steve
Apple Support.
- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 10:00 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 fix


Speaking of where information comes from, as we were earlier today on this 
list, I have to ask. Where did this come from? How do I know that this link 
and this order of uninstalls is valid. Give us the source please.

Neal


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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:06 PM
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Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall 
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly 
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the 
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in 
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall 
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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RE: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Robert,

Thanks for that download link, I installed this version of iTunes 12.1 and all 
works fine. I did not uninstall anything, just installed over top of iTunes 
12.0.1.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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Re: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I am using the 64bit version of Windows. I followed the procedures in
this post and it works. I did not have ITunes 12.1 installed before
this so can't compare though.

On 2/9/15, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
>
>
> Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall
> iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly
> uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for
> the
> fix afterwards.
>
>
> Uninstalling  iTunes
>
> Steps
>
> 1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.
>
> Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components
> in
> the following order. Then restart your computer.
> 1.iTunes
> 2.Apple Software Update
> 3.Apple Mobile Device Support
> 4.Bonjour
> 5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)
>
> Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall
> some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.
>
> iTunes 64 bit fix
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784
>
> 
> If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning
> start?
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RE: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Neal,

The source is Apple as it is an Apple support article.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 fix

Speaking of where information comes from, as we were earlier today on this 
list, I have to ask. Where did this come from? How do I know that this link and 
this order of uninstalls is valid. Give us the source please.

Neal


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Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 8:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall 
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly uninstalled. 
 I will place that information below and place the link for the fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in 
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall some 
of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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RE: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-09 Thread Neal Ewers
Speaking of where information comes from, as we were earlier today on this 
list, I have to ask. Where did this come from? How do I know that this link and 
this order of uninstalls is valid. Give us the source please.

Neal


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Subject: Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix



Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall 
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly uninstalled. 
 I will place that information below and place the link for the fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in 
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall some 
of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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Fw: iTunes 12.1 fix

2015-02-09 Thread Robert Doc Wright


Here is a fix for the 64Bit iTunes that works.  You will have to uninstall
iTunes first. There is an order in which iTunes should be properly
uninstalled.  I will place that information below and place the link for the
fix afterwards.


Uninstalling  iTunes

Steps

1.Remove iTunes and related components from the Control Panel.

Use the Control Panel to uninstall iTunes and related software components in
the following order. Then restart your computer.
1.iTunes
2.Apple Software Update
3.Apple Mobile Device Support
4.Bonjour
5.Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Don't uninstall these components in a different order, or only uninstall
some of them. Doing so might have unintended affects.

iTunes 64 bit fix
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784


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RE: [BlindTech] iTunes 12.1 Possible Solution?

2015-02-09 Thread Rick Alfaro
FYI, after installing this version of iTunes referred to in the KB article, the 
iTunes store became usable again. 



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Subject: Fw: [BlindTech] iTunes 12.1 Possible Solution?



After writing my previous message and tweeting it to nearly
500 followers, someone replied that there's a fix at
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784  - So I went there. The fix is for
users on 64-bit systems with older video cards unable to handle some
aspect of video playback. Somehow I don't think it has anything to do
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Fw: [BlindTech] iTunes 12.1 Possible Solution?

2015-02-09 Thread Robert Doc Wright


After writing my previous message and tweeting it to nearly
500 followers, someone replied that there's a fix at
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1784  - So I went there. The fix is for
users on 64-bit systems with older video cards unable to handle some
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with the fact that accessibility hooks have been removed from the
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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-05 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Right, these issues will affect any screen reader that is fully 64-bit.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> On 6/02/2015, at 5:35 pm, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the same problems are being reported on the Window Eyes listserv, and 
> unknowing customers are really chewing out the AI Squared staff.
>  
> Andy
>  
> From: Alan J Paganelli <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 10:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
> Hi All,
>  
> Has anybody using Window-Eyes reported any problems with iTunes 12?
>  
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
> a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly!
> The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still
> available upon request. Thanks for listening!
>  
> From: Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>  
> Hi Sieghard, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done at the JAWS end 
> to work around this bug. This is one that Apple will need to fix in an iTunes 
> update.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>  
>> On 6/02/2015, at 4:45 am, Sieghard Weitzel > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Fanus,
>>  
>> I remember seeing one message a few days ago where a Windows Eyes user 
>> stated the latest update had similar problems with Windows Eyes. It is, 
>> however, not the first time an iTunes update required Freedom Scientific to 
>> incorporate a fix in a Jaws update. If this is the case I assume Freedom 
>> Scientific will get this done fairly quickly. Maybe somebody like Jonathan 
>> would know more as to whether this is indeed an issue which requires a Jaws 
>> update/fix rather than an iTunes update/fix.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Fanus
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>  
>> Hello Sieghard and list
>> I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
>> bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
>> other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is 
>> not going to do anything about the problem.
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>  
>>> HiJonathan,
>>>  
>>> I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
>>> “iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to 
>>> the Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people 
>>> were looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>  
>>> Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
>>> FSCast episode 101.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>>>  
>>>> On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard >>> <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>

Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-05 Thread Andy Baracco
Yes, the same problems are being reported on the Window Eyes listserv, and 
unknowing customers are really chewing out the AI Squared staff.

Andy

From: Alan J Paganelli 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
Hi All,

Has anybody using Window-Eyes reported any problems with iTunes 12?


Regards,
Alan
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly!
The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still
available upon request. Thanks for listening!


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

Hi Sieghard, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done at the JAWS end 
to work around this bug. This is one that Apple will need to fix in an iTunes 
update.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

  On 6/02/2015, at 4:45 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  Hi Fanus,

  I remember seeing one message a few days ago where a Windows Eyes user stated 
the latest update had similar problems with Windows Eyes. It is, however, not 
the first time an iTunes update required Freedom Scientific to incorporate a 
fix in a Jaws update. If this is the case I assume Freedom Scientific will get 
this done fairly quickly. Maybe somebody like Jonathan would know more as to 
whether this is indeed an issue which requires a Jaws update/fix rather than an 
iTunes update/fix.


  Regards,
  Sieghard

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:55 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
   
  Hello Sieghard and list
  I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is not 
going to do anything about the problem.
  Regards
  Fanus
   
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1
 
HiJonathan,

I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
 
Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
 
  On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:
   
  I looked at Applevis.com in the newest additions section as well as using 
the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found no such animal.  Where is 
this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Baracco
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, 
but the key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so 
they should work with any screen reader.
 
Andy
 
From: Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 
12 and the information provided was incorrect.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

  Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would 
do.  It is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there 
is no such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Pelletier
To: viphone@googlegroups

Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-05 Thread Alan J Paganelli
Hi All,

Has anybody using Window-Eyes reported any problems with iTunes 12?


Regards,
Alan
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your parents? Act now! Move out. Get
a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back regularly!
The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still
available upon request. Thanks for listening!


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

Hi Sieghard, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done at the JAWS end 
to work around this bug. This is one that Apple will need to fix in an iTunes 
update.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

  On 6/02/2015, at 4:45 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  Hi Fanus,

  I remember seeing one message a few days ago where a Windows Eyes user stated 
the latest update had similar problems with Windows Eyes. It is, however, not 
the first time an iTunes update required Freedom Scientific to incorporate a 
fix in a Jaws update. If this is the case I assume Freedom Scientific will get 
this done fairly quickly. Maybe somebody like Jonathan would know more as to 
whether this is indeed an issue which requires a Jaws update/fix rather than an 
iTunes update/fix.


  Regards,
  Sieghard

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:55 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
   
  Hello Sieghard and list
  I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is not 
going to do anything about the problem.
  Regards
  Fanus
   
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1
 
HiJonathan,

I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
 
Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
 
  On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:
   
  I looked at Applevis.com in the newest additions section as well as using 
the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found no such animal.  Where is 
this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Baracco
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, 
but the key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so 
they should work with any screen reader.
 
Andy
 
From: Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 
12 and the information provided was incorrect.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

  Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would 
do.  It is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there 
is no such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Pelletier
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
    Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1
 
Hi all,
 
This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they

Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-05 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Sieghard, unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done at the JAWS end 
to work around this bug. This is one that Apple will need to fix in an iTunes 
update.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 6/02/2015, at 4:45 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Fanus,
>  
> I remember seeing one message a few days ago where a Windows Eyes user stated 
> the latest update had similar problems with Windows Eyes. It is, however, not 
> the first time an iTunes update required Freedom Scientific to incorporate a 
> fix in a Jaws update. If this is the case I assume Freedom Scientific will 
> get this done fairly quickly. Maybe somebody like Jonathan would know more as 
> to whether this is indeed an issue which requires a Jaws update/fix rather 
> than an iTunes update/fix.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Fanus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>  
> Hello Sieghard and list
> I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
> bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
> other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is 
> not going to do anything about the problem.
> Regards
> Fanus
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM
>> Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>  
>> HiJonathan,
>>  
>> I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
>> “iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
>> Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
>> looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>  
>> Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
>> FSCast episode 101.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>>  
>>> On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard >> <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I looked at Applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> in the newest additions 
>>> section as well as using the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and 
>>> found no such animal.  Where is this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
>>> finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Andy Baracco <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>>  
>>>> There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but 
>>>> the key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so 
>>>> they should work with any screen reader.
>>>>  
>>>> Andy
>>>>  
>>>> From: Les Kriegler <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>> I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 
>>>> and the information provided was incorrect.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard >>> <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  
>>>>> It is possible that screen read

RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Fanus,

 

I remember seeing one message a few days ago where a Windows Eyes user stated 
the latest update had similar problems with Windows Eyes. It is, however, not 
the first time an iTunes update required Freedom Scientific to incorporate a 
fix in a Jaws update. If this is the case I assume Freedom Scientific will get 
this done fairly quickly. Maybe somebody like Jonathan would know more as to 
whether this is indeed an issue which requires a Jaws update/fix rather than an 
iTunes update/fix.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

Hello Sieghard and list

I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is not 
going to do anything about the problem.

Regards

Fanus

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM

Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

HiJonathan,

 

I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com> > wrote:

 

I looked at  <http://applevis.com/> Applevis.com in the newest additions 
section as well as using the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found 
no such animal.  Where is this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.


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- Original Message - 

From:  <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com> Andy Baracco

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the 
key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

 

Andy

 

From:  <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> Les Kriegler

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 and 
the information provided was incorrect.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard < <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com> 
wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:

Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It is 
possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no such 
update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.


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From:  <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> Ron Pelletier

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM

Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

Hi all,

 

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
12.1  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: Apple Accessibility [ <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
To:  <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

 

  Hello,

Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
with the application developer to see if they have an update for the software. 

 

Apple

Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Reading all the way down, I just see this one message in the thread, so 
I apologize if I'm covering old ground.


I wouldn't judge Apple's commitment to accessibility or the work of 
their accessibility team based on how just one of their applications 
performs on a non-Apple platform. If you just look at the Apple devices 
and applications, there's enough there to keep a test team busy for a 
life time. I'm also not sure what Apple's official support statement is 
on supporting screen readers under Windows. I've only seen that they 
recommend Window Eyes.


IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if iTunes on Windows is a pretty low 
priority for Apple. For example, they don't support the Metro interface, 
there last round of changes was to give it a look and feel to match the 
latest OSX software and so on. I think more and more people are using 
their mobile devices to consume content more than their laptops and 
desktops and so consequently people are buying laptops and desktops to 
support their mobile devices and not the other way around. If Apple were 
to drop the Windows version of iTunes altogether, I'm not sure they 
wouldn't sell more Macs and not even notice a drop in sales on iPhones.


On 02/04/2015 03:27 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote:

Hi,

You haven’t been reading all the way down.  I did report to Apple and
they responded that they support Windows Eyes when, in reality, Windows
Eyes say that they support only iTunes 11.  I wrote back to Apple to ask
them to explain why they claim they support only Windows Eyes and they,
themselves say they don’t support above iTunes 11.

The response was that they support only Windows Eyes but that doesn’t
mean that Windows Eyes supports them so we have to wait for Windows Eyes
to update their software.  That sounds like a game of pitch and catch.
They toss the ball to one another and, meanwhile, we are up the creek
without a paddle in a wire canoe.

Bottom line is that Apple is telling us to manage somehow until the
accessibility software catches-up to them.  I would have thought that
the accessibility department at Apple would have given advance notice to
the company or companies so they could prepare ahead of time.  If they
are an accessibility department, they must have tested iTunes 12.1 with
thee accessibility software they support.  Meanwhile, where is Tim
Cook’s commitment to accessibility?  This is not just one app, this is
the software we use to manage all our I devices.  When they gave notice
of the availability of a new version, could they not have put a warning
that this new version does not work with screen review software or
didn’t they know because they didn’t test it?

Having said all that, don’t we have the responsibility of making sure
things are working before we jump into them?  Were some of us in a bit
too much of a hurry to jump into the latest and greatest?

Now! that’s the flip side of the coin

Ron & Danvers

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain
This is obviously highly subjective. I agree NVDA is a great screen 
reading option for Windows, but whether it's the greatest or not depends 
a lot on what you need it to do. I use it at home, and prefer it in many 
ways to other screen readers when it comes to reading mail, surfing the 
web and using iTunes. Two of my last three jobs though have been in 
Windows shops, and I couldn't have done either of those jobs if NVDA had 
been my only screen reading choice for Windows. I needed highly 
sophisticated screen reading abilities in applications like Microsoft 
Office and Lotus Notes.


If we're talking about comparing screen readers on Windows then I think 
we're getting off topic for this list.


On 02/04/2015 10:35 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

In my opinion, NVDA is the best screenreader ever for windows usage. OK
you do not have the ability to obtain certain very advanced features
that you might need in advanced text editing in really complicated text
formatting etc ... but f.e. in webcontent I swear you get the best
results in comparison to even the most expensive and advanced screenreaders.
Regards
Davy
*From:* Les Kriegler <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:13 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
It's dumber than dumb. I just saw a message from the window eyes users
list yesterday that they don't even support iTunes 12. They stop at
version 11.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Ron Pelletier mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:


Hi all,

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their
choice in view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular
screen reading software in the world.  I’d like to know how people
using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 12.1

Ron & Danvers

*From:*Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
*To:* ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
*Subject:* [497261] Itunes 12.1

Hello,

Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require
an update.

If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly,
please check with the application developer to see if they have an
update for the software.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Ron Pelletier
Hi,

 

You haven't been reading all the way down.  I did report to Apple and they
responded that they support Windows Eyes when, in reality, Windows Eyes say
that they support only iTunes 11.  I wrote back to Apple to ask them to
explain why they claim they support only Windows Eyes and they, themselves
say they don't support above iTunes 11.

 

The response was that they support only Windows Eyes but that doesn't mean
that Windows Eyes supports them so we have to wait for Windows Eyes to
update their software.  That sounds like a game of pitch and catch.  They
toss the ball to one another and, meanwhile, we are up the creek without a
paddle in a wire canoe.

 

Bottom line is that Apple is telling us to manage somehow until the
accessibility software catches-up to them.  I would have thought that the
accessibility department at Apple would have given advance notice to the
company or companies so they could prepare ahead of time.  If they are an
accessibility department, they must have tested iTunes 12.1 with thee
accessibility software they support.  Meanwhile, where is Tim Cook's
commitment to accessibility?  This is not just one app, this is the software
we use to manage all our I devices.  When they gave notice of the
availability of a new version, could they not have put a warning that this
new version does not work with screen review software or didn't they know
because they didn't test it?

 

Having said all that, don't we have the responsibility of making sure things
are working before we jump into them?  Were some of us in a bit too much of
a hurry to jump into the latest and greatest?

Now! that's the flip side of the coin  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

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Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Wayne Merritt
Version 12 was fine, but 12.1 is when everything went south. I am not
one to complain about program updates, but 12.1 really went backward.
Here's hoping Apple fixes this soon.

Wayne

On 2/4/15, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> FS is working with Apple on this.
>
>
>
> Neal
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cristóbal
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom
> Scientific
>
>
>
> At best, we'd probably be looking at a fix with the next iTunes update which
> would make sense to come out around the same time as iOS 8.2 if that. Don't
> go holding your breath though.
>
> I'm just glad I stayed with 11.4 or whatever the last version was before
> v-12.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom
> Scientific
>
>
>
> Has this also been sent to Apple?
>
>
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> - Original Message -
>
> From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM
>
> Subject: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom
> Scientific
>
>
>
> Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to
> share this in order to cut down on confusion.
>
>
>
> Begin snip.
>
> "With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an
> accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists
> in the
>
> iTunes UI.
>
> (The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)
>
>
>
> It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.
>
> All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event
> information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This
> generally
>
> offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.
>
> NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even
> on 64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not
> impact
>
> 32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."
>
>
>
> End of snip.
>
>
>
> So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and
> others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this
> out.
>
>
>
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Re: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-04 Thread jazzyjennifer
hi there i up dated to itunes 12.1 and it reads things fine with nvda. 
now some of the problems that some people are having that i knowtest, is 
singing music and ring tones, eth to there phone. and they can't get 
items to play in itunes 12.1. and i was wondering if anyone else was 
having this problem. where items aren't sinking to there i device. or 
there items aren't playing in itunes. with the latest version. and what 
did they do to fix it? if anyone can help that would be great. thankyou.


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RE: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Neal Ewers
FS is working with Apple on this.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific

 

At best, we’d probably be looking at a fix with the next iTunes update which 
would make sense to come out around the same time as iOS 8.2 if that. Don’t go 
holding your breath though. 

I’m just glad I stayed with 11.4 or whatever the last version was before v-12.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific

 

Has this also been sent to Apple?


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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM

Subject: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific

 

Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to 
share this in order to cut down on confusion.

 

Begin snip.

"With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an 
accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists in 
the

iTunes UI.

(The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)

 

It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.

All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event 
information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This generally

offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.

NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even on 
64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not impact

32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."

 

End of snip.

 

So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and 
others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this out.

 

Neal

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Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Charles and all. Thanks Neal for sending this info along. I was about to do 
it so glad it's out there. As you can appreciate, we wanted to test thoroughly 
before making any kind of public comment, so I've had to keep quiet on this one 
until we were sure of what was going on.
Charles, yes, Freedom Scientific has reached out to Apple to let them know what 
we believe to be causing the issue in the iTunes 12.1 code for 64-bit Windows.
For now, if you run 64-bit Windows, I think the best option if you need iTunes 
is to revert if you can.
Jonathan

> On 5/02/2015, at 6:51 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Has this also been sent to Apple?
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM
>> Subject: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
>> Scientific
>> 
>> Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to 
>> share this in order to cut down on confusion.
>>  
>> Begin snip.
>> "With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an 
>> accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists 
>> in the
>> iTunes UI.
>> (The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)
>>  
>> It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.
>> All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event 
>> information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This 
>> generally
>> offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.
>> NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even 
>> on 64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not 
>> impact
>> 32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."
>>  
>> End of snip.
>>  
>> So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and 
>> others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this 
>> out.
>>  
>> Neal
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RE: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Cristóbal
At best, we’d probably be looking at a fix with the next iTunes update which 
would make sense to come out around the same time as iOS 8.2 if that. Don’t go 
holding your breath though. 

I’m just glad I stayed with 11.4 or whatever the last version was before v-12.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific

 

Has this also been sent to Apple?


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From: Neal Ewers <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM

Subject: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific

 

Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to 
share this in order to cut down on confusion.

 

Begin snip.

"With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an 
accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists in 
the

iTunes UI.

(The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)

 

It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.

All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event 
information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This generally

offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.

NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even on 
64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not impact

32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."

 

End of snip.

 

So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and 
others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this out.

 

Neal

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screen reader opinion - Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Charles Rivard
Subject line changed to reflect content.

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  From: Davy Cuppens 
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1


  In my opinion, NVDA is the best screenreader ever for windows usage. OK you 
do not have the ability to obtain certain very advanced features that you might 
need in advanced text editing in really complicated text formatting etc ... but 
f.e. in webcontent I swear you get the best results in comparison to even the 
most expensive and advanced screenreaders.

  Regards
  Davy 

  From: Les Kriegler 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:13 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

  It's dumber than dumb. I just saw a message from the window eyes users list 
yesterday that they don't even support iTunes 12. They stop at version 11.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 3, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:


Hi all,

 

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in 
view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading 
software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are 
doing with iTunes 12.1  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
    Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

 

  Hello,

Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please 
check with the application developer to see if they have an update for the 
software. 

 

Apple Accessibility

 

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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Re: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Charles Rivard
Has this also been sent to Apple?

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  From: Neal Ewers 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM
  Subject: Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom 
Scientific


  Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to 
share this in order to cut down on confusion.

   

  Begin snip.

  "With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an 
accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists in 
the

  iTunes UI.

  (The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)

   

  It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.

  All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event 
information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This generally

  offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.

  NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even on 
64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not impact

  32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."

   

  End of snip.

   

  So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and 
others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this out.

   

  Neal


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Information on the inaccessibility of iTunes 12.1 from Freedom Scientific

2015-02-04 Thread Neal Ewers
Hi, The following was taken from Freedom Scientific with their permission to
share this in order to cut down on confusion.

 

Begin snip.

"With iTunes 12.1 and 64-bit iTunes Apple inadvertently introduced an
accessibility problem with accessing the album list and perhaps other lists
in the

iTunes UI.

(The problem does not exist in the 32-bit version of iTunes.)

 

It impacts JAWS, Narrator, and Window Eyes.

All three of these products use 64-bit components to obtain MSAA event
information inside of the iTunes process generating the events.  This
generally

offers better performance than receiving events out-of-process.

NVDA uses the out-of-process technique and is primarily a 32-bit app, even
on 64-bit windows.  The nature of the iTunes bug is such that it does not
impact

32-bit processes receiving events out-of-process."

 

End of snip.

 

So this is why it works with NVDA, and it is also why some can use 12.1 and
others cannot. It would appear that it is up to Apple to help figure this
out.

 

Neal

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Davy Cuppens
In my opinion, NVDA is the best screenreader ever for windows usage. OK you do 
not have the ability to obtain certain very advanced features that you might 
need in advanced text editing in really complicated text formatting etc ... but 
f.e. in webcontent I swear you get the best results in comparison to even the 
most expensive and advanced screenreaders.

Regards
Davy 

From: Les Kriegler 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

It's dumber than dumb. I just saw a message from the window eyes users list 
yesterday that they don't even support iTunes 12. They stop at version 11.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:


  Hi all,

   

  This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
12.1  

   

  Ron & Danvers

   

  From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
  To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

   

Hello,

  Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

  If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
with the application developer to see if they have an update for the software. 

   

  Apple Accessibility

   

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

  http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Charles Rivard
Your thinking is correct.  The problems are not with the version of iTunes that 
was before the new updated version.  The latest update is the problematic one.

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1


  HiJonathan,

   

  I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.

  Jonathan Mosen

  Mosen Consulting

  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

   

On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:

 

I looked at Applevis.com in the newest additions section as well as using 
the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found no such animal.  Where is 
this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.


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  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM

  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but 
the key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

   

  Andy

   

  From: Les Kriegler

  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

  I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 
12 and the information provided was incorrect.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do. 
 It is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.


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  - Original Message - 

  From: Ron Pelletier

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM

      Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  Hi all,

   

  This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in 
view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading 
software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are 
doing with iTunes 12.1  

   

  Ron & Danvers

   

  From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
  To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

   

Hello,

  Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

  If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, 
please check with the application developer to see if they have an update for 
the software. 

   

  Apple Accessibility

   

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

  http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Fanus
Hello Sieghard and list
I sent an email to Apple's accessibility people and the answer warries me a 
bit. The email stated that iTunes 12.1 works well with Window Eyes and that 
other screen readers need to be upgraded. From that I assume that Apple is not 
going to do anything about the problem.
Regards
Fanus

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1


  HiJonathan,

   

  I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.

  Jonathan Mosen

  Mosen Consulting

  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

  http://Mosen.org

   

On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:

 

I looked at Applevis.com in the newest additions section as well as using 
the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found no such animal.  Where is 
this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.


---
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  - Original Message - 

  From: Andy Baracco

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM

  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but 
the key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

   

  Andy

   

  From: Les Kriegler

  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

  I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 
12 and the information provided was incorrect.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do. 
 It is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.


---
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finished, you! really! are! finished!

  - Original Message - 

  From: Ron Pelletier

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM

      Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

  Hi all,

   

  This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in 
view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading 
software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are 
doing with iTunes 12.1  

   

  Ron & Danvers

   

  From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
  To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

   

Hello,

  Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

  If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, 
please check with the application developer to see if they have an update for 
the software. 

   

  Apple Accessibility

   

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

  http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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RE: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
HiJonathan,

 

I think there is a bit confusion here since Andy mentioned a Podcast about 
“iTunes 12.1” with Jaws. I think you are correct and he was referring to the 
Podcast Tom did a while back on iTunes 12 with Jaws. I believe people were 
looking for a recent Podcast done after last week’s update.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com> > wrote:

 

I looked at  <http://applevis.com/> Applevis.com in the newest additions 
section as well as using the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found 
no such animal.  Where is this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.


---
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- Original Message - 

From:  <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com> Andy Baracco

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the 
key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

 

Andy

 

From:  <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> Les Kriegler

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 and 
the information provided was incorrect.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard < <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com> 
wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:

Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It is 
possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no such 
update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.


---
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you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message - 

From:  <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> Ron Pelletier

To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM

Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

Hi all,

 

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
12.1  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: Apple Accessibility [ <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
To:  <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

 

  Hello,

Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
with the application developer to see if they have an update for the software. 

 

Apple Accessibility

 

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

 <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

 <http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/> 
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi all, you can hear Thom Spittle's piece on iTunes 12 and JAWS as part of 
FSCast episode 101.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 5/02/2015, at 2:53 am, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> I looked at Applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> in the newest additions 
> section as well as using the key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found 
> no such animal.  Where is this podcast found, or how?  Thanks.
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Andy Baracco <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>> 
>> There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the 
>> key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
>> should work with any screen reader.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> From: Les Kriegler <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>> I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 
>> and the information provided was incorrect.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard > <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It 
>>> is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
>>> such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
>>> finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Ron Pelletier <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
>>>> Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>>  
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>  
>>>> This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
>>>> inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their 
>>>> choice in view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular 
>>>> screen reading software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using 
>>>> Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 12.1  
>>>>  
>>>> Ron & Danvers
>>>>  
>>>> From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com 
>>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>] 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
>>>> To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca <mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
>>>> Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>   Hello,
>>>> Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
>>>> Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
>>>> update. 
>>>> If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please 
>>>> check with the application developer to see if they have an update for the 
>>>> software. 
>>>>  
>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>>  
>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/ 
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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread Charles Rivard
I looked at Applevis.com in the newest additions section as well as using the 
key word of iTunes in a podcast search and found no such animal.  Where is this 
podcast found, or how?  Thanks.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Baracco 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1


  There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the 
key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

  Andy

  From: Les Kriegler 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
  I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 
and the information provided was incorrect.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It 
is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.

---
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finished, you! really! are! finished!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Pelletier 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
  Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

  Hi all,

   

  This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in 
view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading 
software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are 
doing with iTunes 12.1  

   

  Ron & Danvers

   

  From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
  To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

   

Hello,

  Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

  If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please 
check with the application developer to see if they have an update for the 
software. 

   

  Apple Accessibility

   

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:

  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

  http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-04 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Where is this Podcast found?

On 2/3/15, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the
> key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they
> should work with any screen reader.
>
> Andy
>
> From: Les Kriegler
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
> I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12
> and the information provided was incorrect.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
>
>
>   Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.
> It is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is
> no such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.
>
>   ---
>   Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message -
> From: Ron Pelletier
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
> Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how
> inaccessible it was to our software.  Don't know how they made their choice
> in view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading
> software in the world.  I'd like to know how people using Windows Eyes are
> doing with iTunes 12.1
>
>
>
> Ron & Danvers
>
>
>
> From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
> To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
> Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>
>
>
>
>
>   Hello,
>
> Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the
> Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an
> update.
>
> If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please
> check with the application developer to see if they have an update for the
> software.
>
>
>
> Apple Accessibility
>
>
>
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/
>
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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-03 Thread Andy Baracco
There is an Applevis podcast that is entitled iTunes 12.1 with JAWS, but the 
key commands given are iTunes commands, not screen reader commands, so they 
should work with any screen reader.

Andy

From: Les Kriegler 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1
I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 and 
the information provided was incorrect.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


  Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It 
is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.

  ---
  Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Pelletier 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

Hi all,

 

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how 
inaccessible it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in 
view of the fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading 
software in the world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are 
doing with iTunes 12.1  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

 

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-03 Thread Les Kriegler
I think he was responded to which screen readers would work with iTunes 12 and 
the information provided was incorrect.

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> On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It 
> is possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no 
> such update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
> Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
> it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
> fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
> world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
> 12.1  
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
> From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
> To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
> Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>  
>  
>   Hello,
> Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
> Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
> update. 
> If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
> with the application developer to see if they have an update for the 
> software. 
>  
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>  
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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-03 Thread Charles Rivard
Actually, that's not so stupid.  It is the first thing that I would do.  It is 
possible that screen reader updates may fix a situation.  If there is no such 
update, then I would make Apple aware of the situation.

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  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 1:07 PM
  Subject: FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1


  Hi all,

   

  This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
12.1  

   

  Ron & Danvers

   

  From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
  To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

   

   

Hello,

  Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

  If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
with the application developer to see if they have an update for the software. 

   

  Apple Accessibility

   

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  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

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Re: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-03 Thread Les Kriegler
It's dumber than dumb. I just saw a message from the window eyes users list 
yesterday that they don't even support iTunes 12. They stop at version 11.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
> it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
> fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
> world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
> 12.1  
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
> From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
> To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
> Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1
>  
>  
>   Hello,
> Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
> Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
> update. 
> If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
> with the application developer to see if they have an update for the 
> software. 
>  
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Re: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-03 Thread Steve
You can roll back.  But, it is a pain.

You can find the info by searching Apple's support site for reverting to 
older version of iTunes.

You have to uninstall iTunes, then uninstall four or five other Apple 
programs in the suggested order.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems


I just updated to ITunes-12.1, and I honestly wish I had not done it.  I use 
JAWS-16, and I can’t figure out how to access my list of albums.  I figured 
out how to find an album one song at a time, but that is such a tedious 
process.  It seems to me that ITunes is becoming less accessible with every 
update.  I wish I could roll back to the previous version.



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FW: [497261] Itunes 12.1

2015-02-03 Thread Ron Pelletier
Hi all,

 

This is the dum response I got from Apple when I reported on how inaccessible 
it was to our software.  Don’t know how they made their choice in view of the 
fact that, right now, JAWS is the most popular screen reading software in the 
world.  I’d like to know how people using Windows Eyes are doing with iTunes 
12.1  

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:13 AM
To: ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
Subject: [497261] Itunes 12.1

 

 

  Hello,

Thank you for your email. At this time Apple includes support for the 
Window-Eyes screen reader in iTunes. Other screen readers may require an 
update. 

If you find that another screen reader is not working correctly, please check 
with the application developer to see if they have an update for the software. 

 

Apple Accessibility

 

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http://www.apple.com/accessibility/

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More on iTunes 12.1

2015-02-02 Thread Judy Holloway
Hi. I just discovered that JAWS 16 will not read the buttons in iTunes 12.1
correctly, but NVDA will. So the radio tuner works with NVDA, not JAWS 16. I
hope this is helpful to some.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 



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Radio Tuner in iTunes 12.1

2015-02-01 Thread Judy Holloway
I have installed the latest update of iTunes. Where is the tuner for the
radio stations? I don't mean iTunes radio? The radio tuner seems to have
disappeared. Anyone know how to find it? This is worse than the last version
of iTunes, which I also didn't like. 

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 



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RE: Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Arnold,

 

It may just be that Vista and XP work differently because under Windows 7 I am 
no longer able to see my column browser or list of songs. I only had a quick 
look and will check this out more, but while I can still use Control+f to go to 
the search field and the first set of radio buttons show up OK and also the 
second, when I select My Music and have it set to Songs, I only get some 
buttons which don’t give me any information. My columns with Genre, Artist 
andAlbum are gone even though the column browser shows as enabled.

 

I am supposed to do a presentation about how to navigate in iTunes 12 and do 
things on Tech Talk on February 16, but unless I can find a way to improve this 
or another update comes out until then which fixes these issues I don’t think I 
can do the presentation since there wouldn’t be much I can show.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

 

Although I had read the less than positive messages about iTunes 12.1, I 
decided to take the plunge anyway.  I am running it on a Windows vista 
computer, using Jaws 15.  As related to accessibility, if I hadn't known I had 
updated, I would not have been able to tell.  It seems the same as before, no 
problems, so far at least.

 

I note that the Window Eyes users seem to be having more problems with it. That 
is unfortunate.  If you remember, it was GW Micro that first started making 
iTunes accessible to windows users.  Indeed, Apple recommended Window Eyes as 
the preferred software for the blind.  I do hope the Window Eyes developers get 
it together, and that this is not a harbinger of things to come with the merger 
of GW Micro and AI Squared.

 

Arnold Schmidt  

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Re: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-01 Thread Charles Rivard
Is it the screen reader?, or the application.  Maybe there are tweaks that can 
make iTunes more friendly to the screen reader?  I'm not thinking of only JAWS, 
either, as other screen readers are also having issues.  I'm wondering if there 
are settings in the screen reader, iTunes, the computer, or any combination of 
the three that will improve the results.

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  Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 3:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems


  I just updated to ITunes-12.1, and I honestly wish I had not done it.  I use 
JAWS-16, and I can’t figure out how to access my list of albums.  I figured out 
how to find an album one song at a time, but that is such a tedious process.  
It seems to me that ITunes is becoming less accessible with every update.  I 
wish I could roll back to the previous version.  

   

  Liz Ulrich and Leader dog sammie

  Grace Harbor Church Prayer chain coordinator 

  HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

   

   

   


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RE: [Bulk] Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-01 Thread Lizand Sammie
I just updated to ITunes-12.1, and I honestly wish I had not done it.  I use
JAWS-16, and I can't figure out how to access my list of albums.  I figured
out how to find an album one song at a time, but that is such a tedious
process.  It seems to me that ITunes is becoming less accessible with every
update.  I wish I could roll back to the previous version.  

 

Liz Ulrich and Leader dog sammie

Grace Harbor Church Prayer chain coordinator 

HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

 

 

 

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Updated to iTunes 12.1, No Problems

2015-02-01 Thread Arnold Schmidt
Although I had read the less than positive messages about iTunes 12.1, I 
decided to take the plunge anyway.  I am running it on a Windows vista 
computer, using Jaws 15.  As related to accessibility, if I hadn't known I had 
updated, I would not have been able to tell.  It seems the same as before, no 
problems, so far at least.

I note that the Window Eyes users seem to be having more problems with it. That 
is unfortunate.  If you remember, it was GW Micro that first started making 
iTunes accessible to windows users.  Indeed, Apple recommended Window Eyes as 
the preferred software for the blind.  I do hope the Window Eyes developers get 
it together, and that this is not a harbinger of things to come with the merger 
of GW Micro and AI Squared.

Arnold Schmidt  

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Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-02-01 Thread Russ Kiehne
At this point in time, I’m glad I still use itunes11.  

From: Rose Combs 
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Yes, I can’t check to use iCloud, can’t find my apps, and after having so much 
trouble last week making some repairs, I don’t think I can revert back.  
Annoying since I prefer to use the computer for searches and such.  

 

 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:55 AM
To: ViPone list; accessibil...@apple.com
Subject: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

 

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

 

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if that were 
possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I hear is 
“top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I 
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s new 
section, etc.  

 

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

 

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then get to 
the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the 
headings or text…

 

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on Windows 
computers.

 

Richard

 

 

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Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-02-01 Thread Russ Kiehne

Did you contact Aisquared about this issue?

-Original Message- 
From: Andrea Roveretto

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years
they are not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.
Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
that were possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
new section, etc.

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
headings or text…

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
Windows computers.

Richard

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Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Charles Rivard
I'm using a laptop running Windows XP Pro, and the last update that was made 
to JAWS 15.  I got the new version of iTunes earlier today.  I am not having 
any problems.  I went to the iTunes store and did a search, got the results, 
got the app, and synced my iPhone 5, all with no problem.  I can see my 
music and apps flawlessly.


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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows


Well, I learned my lesson.  Don't jump on the newest update.  I did a system 
restore to this morning and an itunes repair and got 12.01 back.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rose Combs

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

I am using Jaws, and it is sort of functional but not really.  About all I 
can do is a backup.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andrea Roveretto

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years they 
are not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.

Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
that were possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
new section, etc.

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
headings or text…

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
Windows computers.

Richard

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RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Rose Combs
Ouch, did that last week and still had one heck of a time getting iTunes 12 to 
work.  But then, lately if I even think of touching it it is not going to work. 
 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well, I learned my lesson.  Don't jump on the newest update.  I did a system 
restore to this morning and an itunes repair and got 12.01 back.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

I am using Jaws, and it is sort of functional but not really.  About all I can 
do is a backup.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrea Roveretto
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years they are 
not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.
Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:
> Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?
>
> Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
> that were possible.
>
> I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
> hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.
>
> If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
> searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
> new section, etc.
>
> Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.
>
> At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
> get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.
>
> Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
> headings or text…
>
> It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
> Windows computers.
>
> Richard
>
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RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Rose Combs
I can’t buy a MAC, just bought a new computer for work purposes, they want me 
to work for them but I have to furnish all equipment and now I will be stuck at 
home for ever and ever!  All due to an outsource deal my employer of over 38 
years worked out.  It really is emotionally draining as well as financially a 
drain.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

 

I guess they want you to buy a Mac. LOL!

Andy

 

From: Richard Turner <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>  

Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:54 AM

To: ViPone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  ; accessibil...@apple.com 

Subject: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

 

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if that were 
possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I hear is 
“top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I 
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s new 
section, etc.  

 

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

 

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then get to 
the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the 
headings or text…

 

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on Windows 
computers.

 

Richard

 

 

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RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Larry Lumpkin
Well, I learned my lesson.  Don't jump on the newest update.  I did a system 
restore to this morning and an itunes repair and got 12.01 back.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

I am using Jaws, and it is sort of functional but not really.  About all I can 
do is a backup.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrea Roveretto
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years they are 
not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.
Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:
> Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?
>
> Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
> that were possible.
>
> I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
> hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.
>
> If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
> searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
> new section, etc.
>
> Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.
>
> At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
> get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.
>
> Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
> headings or text…
>
> It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
> Windows computers.
>
> Richard
>
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RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Rose Combs
I am using Jaws, and it is sort of functional but not really.  About all I can 
do is a backup.  


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Andrea Roveretto
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years 
they are not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.
Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:
> Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?
>
> Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
> that were possible.
>
> I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
> hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.
>
> If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
> searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
> new section, etc.
>
> Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.
>
> At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
> get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.
>
> Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
> headings or text…
>
> It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
> Windows computers.
>
> Richard
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Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Andy Baracco
I guess they want you to buy a Mac. LOL!
Andy

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:54 AM
To: ViPone list ; accessibil...@apple.com 
Subject: iTunes 12.1 for Windows
Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

 

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if that were 
possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I hear is 
“top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I 
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s new 
section, etc.  

 

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

 

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then get to 
the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the 
headings or text…

 

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on Windows 
computers.

 

Richard

 

 

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RE: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Rose Combs
Yes, I can’t check to use iCloud, can’t find my apps, and after having so much 
trouble last week making some repairs, I don’t think I can revert back.  
Annoying since I prefer to use the computer for searches and such.  

 

 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:55 AM
To: ViPone list; accessibil...@apple.com
Subject: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

 

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

 

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if that were 
possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I hear is 
“top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I 
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s new 
section, etc.  

 

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

 

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then get to 
the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the 
headings or text…

 

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on Windows 
computers.

 

Richard

 

 

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RE: itunes 12.1

2015-01-31 Thread Richard Turner
After opening itunes 12.1, tab to music and make sure it is checked, then tab 
across and there is still a playlist checkbox that when you check it and then 
tab a bit more, you get into the list of playlists.  At least on my system that 
works.

 

Richard

 

 

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Subject: itunes 12.1

 

Looks like Apple really broke itunes in their latest update.  I can’t get to my 
playlist tree any more.  Anyone have any suggestions?

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lots of unlabeled buttons in itunes 12.1

2015-01-31 Thread Larry Lumpkin
Hi.  Can someone send me a link to the prior version of itunes 12?  Thanks.

 

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itunes 12.1

2015-01-31 Thread Larry Lumpkin
Looks like Apple really broke itunes in their latest update.  I can't get to
my playlist tree any more.  Anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Andrea Roveretto

Well it does work with nvda.
I am a user of window-eyes too, but I must say that in the last years 
they are not dooing a good job in general with theyr screen reader.

Often nvda hugely surpasses we, expecially in web content.


Il 31/01/2015 19.54, Richard Turner ha scritto:

Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if
that were possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I
hear is “top bottom” after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what’s
new section, etc.

Don’t think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then
get to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
headings or text…

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
Windows computers.

Richard

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iTunes 12.1 for Windows

2015-01-31 Thread Richard Turner
Anyone else stupid enough to have updated to iTunes 12.1?

 

Searching in the app store with this latest version is even worse, if that
were possible.

I am using Window-Eyes and browse mode is completely useless.  All I hear is
"top bottom" after a search for an app.

If I turn browse mode off and tab, I can get to the links for the app I
searched for, but I can no longer navigate to the description, what's new
section, etc.  

 

Don't think it matters, but this is Win 8.1 and Window-Eyes  9.

 

At least with iTunes 12, I could toggle browse mode on and off and then get
to the app and read the page just like I was in a web page.

Now, the only thing I can do is tab between links.  I cannot get to the
headings or text.

 

It appears Apple is intent on making iTunes less and less accessible on
Windows computers.

 

Richard

 

 

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RE: ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

2014-10-21 Thread Mary-Jo Lord
Hi,

I had success late last night. You might need sighted help the first time. I
did. When I had my IPOD checked, I got to where it said music, and my son
told me to arrow up. Jaws wasn't saying anything. When he told me I was in
the right place, I tabbed forward, and my fields behaved the way I've been
accustomed to in the past. I guess the next time, I will arrow into
nothingness and tap until things look normal. I hope that made sense.
 

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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

I am having trouble figuring this one out as well. I used to find the album
or song then use the right click key then add to play list and my phone is
one of the options. All of that is still there but when I do it the music
does not transfer. Anyone have any ideas?


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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

Hi,

Has anybody downloaded ITUNES12.1 for the PC? I installed it yesterday
because I was getting continuous error messages with version 12. 12.1 seems
to have an entirely new layout, and although I can find my device
information, and can choose to synch music etc. I'm not finding a place to
select albums or artists to add to my phone or IPOD. Has anybody else
experienced this?

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RE: ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

2014-10-20 Thread David Redman
I am having trouble figuring this one out as well. I used to find the album
or song then use the right click key then add to play list and my phone is
one of the options. All of that is still there but when I do it the music
does not transfer. Anyone have any ideas?


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Of Mary-Jo Lord
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

Hi,

Has anybody downloaded ITUNES12.1 for the PC? I installed it yesterday
because I was getting continuous error messages with version 12. 12.1 seems
to have an entirely new layout, and although I can find my device
information, and can choose to synch music etc. I'm not finding a place to
select albums or artists to add to my phone or IPOD. Has anybody else
experienced this?

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ITunes 12.1 on the PC?

2014-10-20 Thread Mary-Jo Lord
Hi,

Has anybody downloaded ITUNES12.1 for the PC? I installed it yesterday
because I was getting continuous error messages with version 12. 12.1 seems
to have an entirely new layout, and although I can find my device
information, and can choose to synch music etc. I'm not finding a place to
select albums or artists to add to my phone or IPOD. Has anybody else
experienced this?

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