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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Devin Prater

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to 
wait a while and see if they prove true.


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I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any 
rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full 
price and have a new model come out in a few months.

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Evan Reese

And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, better 
deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater 
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Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to wait 
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
> And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, better
> deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
> Evan
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> From: Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
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> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
> wait a while and see if they prove true.
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>   I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full
> price and have a new model come out in a few months.
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Evan Reese

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years 
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you 
think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, 
better

deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
wait a while and see if they prove true.

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  I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Victor Gouveia

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated 
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released 
to the public.


For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is rather 
old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you
think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, 
better

deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
wait a while and see if they prove true.

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Evan Reese

Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is, what 
apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because it 
is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only practical 
question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a 
lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the 
device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or at 
least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what 
practical difference does it make how old it is?

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
to the public.

For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is rather
old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you
think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, 
better

deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Victor Gouveia


Hi Evan,

I agree with you.

I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while my 
daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.


Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily 
basis.


I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a 
computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and just 
use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the 
latest version won't support it.


Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more 
sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower. 
The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest 
functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.


I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and 
keep using a tried and true device.


I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of 
all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is, what
apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because it
is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only practical
question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or at
least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
practical difference does it make how old it is?
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
to the public.

For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is rather
old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you
think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year, 
better

deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to
wait a while and see if they prove true.

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On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie"  wrote:

  I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full
price and have a new model come out in a few months.
  Marie

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Hi,

That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.

The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
newer options available.
The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
less capable device.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> Hi Evan,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while my
>
> daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.
>
> Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
> basis.
>
> I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
> computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and just
>
> use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
> latest version won't support it.
>
> Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
> sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
> The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
> functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.
>
> I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
> keep using a tried and true device.
>
> I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
> all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Reese
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
> what
> apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because it
> is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
> practical
> question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
> lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
> device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or at
> least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
> practical difference does it make how old it is?
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
> within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
> to the public.
>
> For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is rather
> old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Reese
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
> old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that you
> think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
> really old technology by todays standards.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
>> And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year,
>> better
>> deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
>> Evan
>>
>> From: Devin Prater
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>
>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want
>> to
>> wait a while and see if they prove true.
>>
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Evan Reese

Well, I got my iPad Mini 4 last April, and the price for the 128GB model was 
slightly better than for the 64GB one, so I went for that. I didn't want to 
carry around one of those big slabs, and while the reviews I read certainly 
did indicate that there was a slight difference in speed between the Mini 4 
and the Air, for me, it didn't sound worth the inconvenience of the bigger 
unit.
Now, in 2017, if I were hearing that a new iPad might be in the offing, I 
might consider waiting to see what develops. But that wasn't the case when I 
got mine last April.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.

The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
newer options available.
The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
less capable device.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:

Hi Evan,

I agree with you.

I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while 
my


daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.

Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
basis.

I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and 
just


use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
latest version won't support it.

Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.

I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
keep using a tried and true device.

I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
what
apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because 
it

is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
practical
question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or 
at

least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
practical difference does it make how old it is?
Evan

-Original Message-----
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
to the public.

For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is 
rather

old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that 
you

think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-----Original Message-
From: Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays standards.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:

And there’s also the fact that if there is a new iPad Mini this year,
better
deals on the 4 will appear soon after.
Evan

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Marie

This is exactly why I was asking if anyone thought they might be releasing a 
newer model in the near future. I have no desire to have the larger IPad Air 
and I like the fact that you can still hold a mini in one hand which, for 
me, makes it easier to use. I don't need blazing fast performance so the 
slower processor is not a huge factor to me.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, I got my IPad Mini 4 last April, and the price for the 128GB model was
slightly better than for the 64GB one, so I went for that. I didn't want to
carry around one of those big slabs, and while the reviews I read certainly
did indicate that there was a slight difference in speed between the Mini 4
and the Air, for me, it didn't sound worth the inconvenience of the bigger
unit.
Now, in 2017, if I were hearing that a new iPad might be in the offing, I
might consider waiting to see what develops. But that wasn't the case when I
got mine last April.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.

The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
newer options available.
The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
less capable device.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:

Hi Evan,

I agree with you.

I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while 
my


daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.

Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
basis.

I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and 
just


use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
latest version won't support it.

Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.

I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
keep using a tried and true device.

I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
what
apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because 
it

is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
practical
question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or 
at

least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
practical difference does it make how old it is?
Evan

-Original Message-----
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
to the public.

For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is 
rather

old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that 
you

think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-----Original Message-
From: Ben Mustill-

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-13 Thread Pete Nalda

I just bought an iPad mini 4 through my carrier for $20.00 down. And yeah, 
probably too should've waited. But, all that said, this feels just as snappy as 
my Mom's iPad Air 2. My thinking is that the A8 drives the 7.25" screen as fast 
as my Mom's iPad Air 2 drives the 9.25" screen. My .02 worth. Will I upgrade 
someday? Sure. I had to settle for a 32gb anyway. 

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Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 11:06 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> This is exactly why I was asking if anyone thought they might be releasing a 
> newer model in the near future. I have no desire to have the larger IPad Air 
> and I like the fact that you can still hold a mini in one hand which, for me, 
> makes it easier to use. I don't need blazing fast performance so the slower 
> processor is not a huge factor to me.
> Marie
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Evan Reese
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
> 
> Well, I got my IPad Mini 4 last April, and the price for the 128GB model was
> slightly better than for the 64GB one, so I went for that. I didn't want to
> carry around one of those big slabs, and while the reviews I read certainly
> did indicate that there was a slight difference in speed between the Mini 4
> and the Air, for me, it didn't sound worth the inconvenience of the bigger
> unit.
> Now, in 2017, if I were hearing that a new iPad might be in the offing, I
> might consider waiting to see what develops. But that wasn't the case when I
> got mine last April.
> Evan
> 
> -----Original Message- From: Ben Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
> to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.
> 
> The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
> have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
> newer options available.
> The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
> you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
> a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
> huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
> hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
> To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
> a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
> difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
> workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
> that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
> less capable device.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
>> Hi Evan,
>> 
>> I agree with you.
>> 
>> I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while my
>> 
>> daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.
>> 
>> Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
>> basis.
>> 
>> I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
>> computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and just
>> 
>> use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
>> latest version won't support it.
>> 
>> Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
>> sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
>> The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
>> functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.
>> 
>> I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
>> keep using a tried and true device.
>> 
>> I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
>> all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.
>> 
>> Victor
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Evan Reese
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>> 
>> Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
>> what
>> apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because it
>> is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
>> practical

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Russ Kiehne

The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie 
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to wait 
a while and see if they prove true. 

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie"  wrote:

  I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any rumors 
of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full price and 
have a new model come out in a few months.
  Marie

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Russ Kiehne

I bought my ipad mini 4 when ios 10 was released.  My first generation ipad 
was not able to be updated.  I got a 64gb for the same price as the 32gb.

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, I got my iPad Mini 4 last April, and the price for the 128GB model was
slightly better than for the 64GB one, so I went for that. I didn't want to
carry around one of those big slabs, and while the reviews I read certainly
did indicate that there was a slight difference in speed between the Mini 4
and the Air, for me, it didn't sound worth the inconvenience of the bigger
unit.
Now, in 2017, if I were hearing that a new iPad might be in the offing, I
might consider waiting to see what develops. But that wasn't the case when I
got mine last April.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.

The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
newer options available.
The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
less capable device.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:

Hi Evan,

I agree with you.

I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while 
my

daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.

Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
basis.

I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and 
just

use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
latest version won't support it.

Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.

I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck not and
keep using a tried and true device.

I'm still using a 4S and have no intention of upgrading to the 7, least of
all it's lack of a headphone jack.  Smiles.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Okay, okay, that might be true theoretically, but the real question is,
what
apps do people want or need to use that a given device can't run because 
it

is too slow or for some other reason is outdated. That is the only
practical
question. If there are significant numbers of apps, or even a few, that a
lot of people want or need that they can't run on their device, then the
device is for all practical purposes obsolete. But if there are none, or 
at

least none that people really want or need that it can't run, then what
practical difference does it make how old it is?
Evan

-Original Message-----
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Actually, the rule of thumb is that computer technology becomes outdated
within six months of it's beta release, in other words, when it's released
to the public.

For a chip, I don't think just under two years is ancient, but it is 
rather

old, Especially when you compare it to today's chips.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Well, the chip in the iPad Mini 4 is (I think) just a shade over two years
old. Is that really that ancient? Do you have any examples of apps that 
you

think are useful that the iPad Mini 4 can't cope with?
Evan

-----Original Message-
From: Ben Mustill-Rose
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

Is there no way you could cope with a full size iPad? The Minis use
really old technology by todays stand

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread TaraPrakash

Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
something else, it will be a marketing gig.


Sent from my iPhone

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> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>  
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Jennie Facer

If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is awesome! I 
have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro does better than 
that mini. Just a thought.



Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
> something else, it will be a marketing gig.
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>>  
>> From: Devin Prater
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
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>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to 
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Evan Reese

When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do better?
Evan

From: Jennie Facer 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is awesome! I 
have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro does better than 
that mini. Just a thought.

Jenn and Kumi

On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:

  Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
something else, it will be a marketing gig.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie 
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to 
wait a while and see if they prove true. 

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Jennie Facer

It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding onto 
it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though. It just 
seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do 
> better?
> Evan
>  
> From: Jennie Facer
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>  
> If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is awesome! 
> I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro does better 
> than that mini. Just a thought.
>  
> 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
>> 
>> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
>> something else, it will be a marketing gig.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>>>  
>>> From: Devin Prater
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
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>>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to 
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>>>> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full 
>>>> price and have a new model come out in a few months.
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Evan Reese

Hmmm, my iPad Mini 4 has stereo speakers at the bottom, on either side of the 
charging port.
I went for the portability of the Mini, and for the apps I’ve tried so far, 
it’s been working great.
Having come out in September 2015, I would bet it will be supported for several 
years yet.
As to this whole old products thing, I know someone who is still using an iPad 
Mini 2. She uses the BARD Mobile app, listens to described movies on Netflix, 
reads her money, runs the KNFB Reader on it, gets on Facebook, and probably 
more I don’t know about, all with no problems. People should be wary of feeling 
that they need the newest and fastest because it ain’t necessarily so.
Evan
Evan

From: Jennie Facer 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding onto 
it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though. It just 
seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.

Jenn


Jenn and Kumi

On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:


  When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do 
better?
  Evan

  From: Jennie Facer 
  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

  If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is awesome! 
I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro does better 
than that mini. Just a thought.




  Jenn and Kumi

  On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:


Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
something else, it will be a marketing gig.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:


  The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

  From: Devin Prater 
  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie 
  Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

  There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want 
to wait a while and see if they prove true. 

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Evan,

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
isn't better than the mini 4?
The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
number than 1.5, there for it is better.

Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
better CPU than the mini 4.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
> onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though.
> It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>>
>> When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
>> better?
>> Evan
>>
>> From: Jennie Facer
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>
>> If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
>> awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
>> does better than that mini. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenn and Kumi
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
>>> call something else, it will be a marketing gig.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>>>>
>>>> From: Devin Prater
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>>>
>>>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want
>>>> to wait a while and see if they prove true.
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>>>>> full price and have a new model come out in a few months.
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Evan Reese

Well, "better" is a subjective term. If you can get it at a cheaper price, 
and you don't mind the size, then I suppose the Pro is better. But if you 
want a smaller device, and the (rather small) speed difference isn't a 
factor in what you're using it for, then the iPad Mini 4 is better. And, as 
I just mentioned, someone I know is perfectly happy with her iPad Mini 2, 
using all the apps she wants to use with no problems. So which is "better"?
Chip speed is just one factor. There are other factors in deciding whether 
one device is "better" than another, including price and size.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Evan,

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
isn't better than the mini 4?
The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
number than 1.5, there for it is better.

Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
better CPU than the mini 4.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:

It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though.
It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:

When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
better?
Evan

From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
does better than that mini. Just a thought.



Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash  wrote:

Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
call something else, it will be a marketing gig.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want
to wait a while and see if they prove true.

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I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at
full price and have a new model come out in a few months.
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Hi,

I never said that people who currently own a device should upgrade
just because it's a few years old; this discussion is about someone
who wishes to buy a device but isn't sure which one to go for.
I delt with the price and size arguements in a previous message.
Assuming you're buying outright price is against the mini here as it's
more expensive than higher spec iPads. The size, as I have mentioned
multiple times is IMO the one thing the mini has going for it - in
fact in terms of size I prefer it to my air 2.

Out of interest, what are the arguements that can be given when
arguing that the 1.5GHZ CPU found in the A8 is better than the 2.16GHZ
CPU found in the A9X?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:
> Well, "better" is a subjective term. If you can get it at a cheaper price,
> and you don't mind the size, then I suppose the Pro is better. But if you
> want a smaller device, and the (rather small) speed difference isn't a
> factor in what you're using it for, then the iPad Mini 4 is better. And, as
>
> I just mentioned, someone I know is perfectly happy with her iPad Mini 2,
> using all the apps she wants to use with no problems. So which is "better"?
> Chip speed is just one factor. There are other factors in deciding whether
> one device is "better" than another, including price and size.
> Evan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>
> Evan,
>
> Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
> genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
> isn't better than the mini 4?
> The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
> The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
> It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
> number than 1.5, there for it is better.
>
> Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
> enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
> makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
> opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
> better CPU than the mini 4.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
> On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
>> onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed
>> though.
>> It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>> Jenn and Kumi
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>>>
>>> When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
>>> better?
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> From: Jennie Facer
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>>
>>> If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
>>> awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
>>> does better than that mini. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenn and Kumi
>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
>>>> call something else, it will be a marketing gig.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Devin Prater
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
>>>>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>>>>>
>>>>> There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may
>>>>> want
>>>>> to wait a while and see if they prove true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
>>>>>> rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at
>>>>>> full price and have a new model come out in a few months.
>>>>>> Marie
>>

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Evan Reese

Well, as I've already said, chip speed is only one factor when considering a 
device, so there is no argument involving speed by itself.
If I were able to drive, I wouldn't let how fast a car can accelerate be my 
only consideration when deciding on which one to buy.
Someone who is considering an iPad now should definitely think about how 
large a device they want, especially if they're going to be carrying it 
around very much, and also how substantial the likelihood is that new iPads 
will be appearing later this year. If Russ is correct that the rumors say 
nothing about a new iPad Mini, and if size is really important to her, then 
she will have to decide on whether to get the Mini 4, even though it is 
older technology. If size isn't important, then she might want to wait and 
see if new iPads come out in the not too distant future.

Evan
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Ben Mustill-Rose

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Hi,

I never said that people who currently own a device should upgrade
just because it's a few years old; this discussion is about someone
who wishes to buy a device but isn't sure which one to go for.
I delt with the price and size arguements in a previous message.
Assuming you're buying outright price is against the mini here as it's
more expensive than higher spec iPads. The size, as I have mentioned
multiple times is IMO the one thing the mini has going for it - in
fact in terms of size I prefer it to my air 2.

Out of interest, what are the arguements that can be given when
arguing that the 1.5GHZ CPU found in the A8 is better than the 2.16GHZ
CPU found in the A9X?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Evan Reese  wrote:

Well, "better" is a subjective term. If you can get it at a cheaper price,
and you don't mind the size, then I suppose the Pro is better. But if you
want a smaller device, and the (rather small) speed difference isn't a
factor in what you're using it for, then the iPad Mini 4 is better. And, 
as


I just mentioned, someone I know is perfectly happy with her iPad Mini 2,
using all the apps she wants to use with no problems. So which is 
"better"?

Chip speed is just one factor. There are other factors in deciding whether
one device is "better" than another, including price and size.
Evan

-Original Message-
From: Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

Evan,

Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but do you
genuinely think that when looking at cold hard numbers the 9.7 pro
isn't better than the mini 4?
The mini 4 uses the A8 SoC and has a 1.5GHZ CPU.
The 9.7 Pro uses the A9X SoC and has a 2.16GHZ CPU.
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, but 2.16 is a bigger
number than 1.5, there for it is better.

Of course, some people may feel that the increase in performance isn't
enough to justify purchasing it and that the smaller size of the mini
makes up for its outdated technology. that's fine, but that's an
opinion, whereas it is a simple fact that the 9.7 pro contains a
better CPU than the mini 4.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 1/14/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:

It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding
onto it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed
though.
It just seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese  wrote:

When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do
better?
Evan

From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is
awesome! I have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro
does better than that mini. Just a thought.



Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash 
wrote:

Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they
call something else, it will be a marketing gig.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:

The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

From: Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Marie
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may
want
to wait a while and see if they prove true.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie" 
wrote:

I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any
rumors of an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at
full price and have a new model come out in a few months.
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RE: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Paula Pinder

Hi Evan and all

I am still using the first iPad Mini that came out a few years ago. It's
still working well although it is quite slow and is too old for IOS10 but
it's fine for now until I decide to get a new one.

Best wishes

Paula

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Pete Nalda

Though I *do* hope they keep the 7.25" screen format. I prefer the smaller 
screen for handling, especially on the bus. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 1:02 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> I just bought an iPad mini 4 through my carrier for $20.00 down. And yeah, 
> probably too should've waited. But, all that said, this feels just as snappy 
> as my Mom's iPad Air 2. My thinking is that the A8 drives the 7.25" screen as 
> fast as my Mom's iPad Air 2 drives the 9.25" screen. My .02 worth. Will I 
> upgrade someday? Sure. I had to settle for a 32gb anyway. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> 
>> On Jan 13, 2017, at 11:06 PM, Marie  wrote:
>> 
>> This is exactly why I was asking if anyone thought they might be releasing a 
>> newer model in the near future. I have no desire to have the larger IPad Air 
>> and I like the fact that you can still hold a mini in one hand which, for 
>> me, makes it easier to use. I don't need blazing fast performance so the 
>> slower processor is not a huge factor to me.
>> Marie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Evan Reese
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>> 
>> Well, I got my IPad Mini 4 last April, and the price for the 128GB model was
>> slightly better than for the 64GB one, so I went for that. I didn't want to
>> carry around one of those big slabs, and while the reviews I read certainly
>> did indicate that there was a slight difference in speed between the Mini 4
>> and the Air, for me, it didn't sound worth the inconvenience of the bigger
>> unit.
>> Now, in 2017, if I were hearing that a new iPad might be in the offing, I
>> might consider waiting to see what develops. But that wasn't the case when I
>> got mine last April.
>> Evan
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Ben Mustill-Rose
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That depends on your definition of cope; mine's most likely different
>> to yours so listing examples would be rather pointless.
>> 
>> The CPU is the same one that is in the iPhone 6, so the question you
>> have to ask yourself is if you'd buy a 6 in 2017 when there are 2
>> newer options available.
>> The cheaper price arguement doesn't work either: in the UK at least if
>> you buy a mini from Apple you'll be paying £400. I recently purchased
>> a brand new iPad air 2 for £330. Admitidly the bump in spec isn't
>> huge, but a: that represents nearly a 20% decreace in price and b: one
>> hopes that Apple will support it for slightly longer with iOS updates.
>> To me at least, in 2017, the only reason I can see for someone to buy
>> a mini is the smaller screen. To be fair this does make some
>> difference to me - I was using a handfull of mini's to deliver a
>> workshop the other day & they're much nicer to hold than the airs, but
>> that definitely doesn't mean it makes sense to spend more money on a
>> less capable device.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 1/14/17, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
>>> Hi Evan,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you.
>>> 
>>> I have a desktop computer that is at least three to four years old, while my
>>> 
>>> daughter uses my laptop that is only a year old and much, much faster.
>>> 
>>> Either way, it's still a great computer to use and so I use it on a daily
>>> basis.
>>> 
>>> I happen to know that there are people I know that are still using a
>>> computer with Windows XP on it.  They don't use Internet Explorer, and just
>>> 
>>> use Firefox, and they can't even get iTunes installed on it because the
>>> latest version won't support it.
>>> 
>>> Regardless of that, one does find that apps tend to get more and more
>>> sophisticated and processor intense, and so end getting slower and slower.
>>> The device ends up taking longer and longer to load apps, and the simplest
>>> functions end up getting more difficult and time consuming.
>>> 
>>> I agree with your mindset, as long as it will run it, why the heck

Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Evan Reese


Hi Paula,
That's great. I'm glad you're still getting some use out of it.
Anyone thinking about an iPad now has a bit of a dilemma though.
My feeling on that is that if you really want a device, you should just get 
it. There's always going to be something new and faster with more features 
coming out not too long after you get whatever you get anyway, so if you 
wait around, you'll always feel that you got an obsolete machine no matter 
when you buy it because, technically, it is obsolete almost as soon as it 
gets to the public. So just get it when you want it.
The devices we have now are so marvelous anyhow that even the obsolete ones 
are pretty impressive when you think about it.

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Paula Pinder

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPad Mini 4

Hi Evan and all

I am still using the first iPad Mini that came out a few years ago. It's
still working well although it is quite slow and is too old for IOS10 but
it's fine for now until I decide to get a new one.

Best wishes

Paula

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RE: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Paula Pinder

Hi Evan

Yes that's true. I don't think anyone can truly keep up-to-date with all
this technology. The next iPad I get will be a lot faster than my iPad Mini.

Best wishes

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RE: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Merv Keck

I chose a Mini 4 on  the AT&T Next plan because I already had two iPhones on 
the plan. So adding the 128 GB Mini 4 was the more economical option for me as 
far as tablets were concerned. It was also the perfect size and was fast enough 
to do everything I needed it to do. In two years from September 2016 I will 
trade it in for something more up to date also on the Next plan so my 
investment is minimal.

Although it sounds great on its own, I tend to pair it with a Bluetooth 
keyboard and speaker. And it is extremely convenient.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

 

Hmmm, my iPad Mini 4 has stereo speakers at the bottom, on either side of the 
charging port.

I went for the portability of the Mini, and for the apps I’ve tried so far, 
it’s been working great.

Having come out in September 2015, I would bet it will be supported for several 
years yet.

As to this whole old products thing, I know someone who is still using an iPad 
Mini 2. She uses the BARD Mobile app, listens to described movies on Netflix, 
reads her money, runs the KNFB Reader on it, gets on Facebook, and probably 
more I don’t know about, all with no problems. People should be wary of feeling 
that they need the newest and fastest because it ain’t necessarily so.

Evan

Evan

 

From: Jennie Facer <mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:29 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

 

It is a lot faster and it has stereo speakers which is nice when holding onto 
it. I don't think it is better when thinking about chip speed though. It just 
seems a little snappier. Just my opinion though.

 

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Evan Reese mailto:ment...@dslextreme.com> > wrote:

When you say “My pro does better than that mini.”, what does your Pro do better?

Evan

 

From: Jennie Facer <mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 1:23 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

 

If you can handle just a slightly larger iPad, the 9.7 inch Pero is awesome! I 
have both the mini 4 and that is what my husband uses. My pro does better than 
that mini. Just a thought.

 

 

Jenn and Kumi


On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:55 AM, TaraPrakash mailto:taraprak...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Anything smaller than current ipad mini will be an ipod touch. If they call 
something else, it will be a marketing gig.



Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Russ Kiehne mailto:russ94...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The roomers are for the larger Ipads.  No roomers on a ipad mini.

 

From: Devin Prater 

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:59 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  ; Marie 

Subject: Re: IPad Mini 4

 

There are rumors of new iPads being released this year, so you may want to wait 
a while and see if they prove true. 

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On January 13, 2017 4:16:22 PM "Marie" mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I am thinking of getting a mini 4 but just wondering if there are any rumors of 
an upgrade coming any time soon. I would hate to buy one at full price and have 
a new model come out in a few months.

Marie

 

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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-14 Thread Helga Schreiber

Hi all! How are youall?  I bought an iPad Mini 4 with 128 gigs  last April. The 
reason I bought it is bcause it has 128 gigs, andit  cost less tehn an IPad 
Pro, and is small to carrry guys. I bought  tmy Ipad Mini 4 at the Apple  
store. Hope to hear form yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Jan 14, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paula,
> That's great. I'm glad you're still getting some use out of it.
> Anyone thinking about an iPad now has a bit of a dilemma though.
> My feeling on that is that if you really want a device, you should just get 
> it. There's always going to be something new and faster with more features 
> coming out not too long after you get whatever you get anyway, so if you wait 
> around, you'll always feel that you got an obsolete machine no matter when 
> you buy it because, technically, it is obsolete almost as soon as it gets to 
> the public. So just get it when you want it.
> The devices we have now are so marvelous anyhow that even the obsolete ones 
> are pretty impressive when you think about it.
> Evan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Paula Pinder
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPad Mini 4
> 
> Hi Evan and all
> 
> I am still using the first iPad Mini that came out a few years ago. It's
> still working well although it is quite slow and is too old for IOS10 but
> it's fine for now until I decide to get a new one.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Paula
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Re: IPad Mini 4

2017-01-15 Thread Appleman

Hi Helga,
  I’m glad you are enjoying your iPad Mini. I have had mine for nearly 2 and a 
half years. Prior to that, I was using an iPad 3.
  I have also been an iPhone user for 6 years and obtained my iPhone 7 silver, 
256 GB, last week. I absolutly love it! The audio is amazing and the batery 
life is so much better than the 6.
David

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> On 15 Jan 2017, at 6:43 pm, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are youall?  I bought an iPad Mini 4 with 128 gigs  last April. 
> The reason I bought it is bcause it has 128 gigs, andit  cost less tehn an 
> IPad Pro, and is small to carrry guys. I bought  tmy Ipad Mini 4 at the Apple 
>  store. Hope to hear form yousoon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
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>  
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> 
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Evan Reese  <mailto:ment...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paula,
>> That's great. I'm glad you're still getting some use out of it.
>> Anyone thinking about an iPad now has a bit of a dilemma though.
>> My feeling on that is that if you really want a device, you should just get 
>> it. There's always going to be something new and faster with more features 
>> coming out not too long after you get whatever you get anyway, so if you 
>> wait around, you'll always feel that you got an obsolete machine no matter 
>> when you buy it because, technically, it is obsolete almost as soon as it 
>> gets to the public. So just get it when you want it.
>> The devices we have now are so marvelous anyhow that even the obsolete ones 
>> are pretty impressive when you think about it.
>> Evan
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Paula Pinder
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:37 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: IPad Mini 4
>> 
>> Hi Evan and all
>> 
>> I am still using the first iPad Mini that came out a few years ago. It's
>> still working well although it is quite slow and is too old for IOS10 but
>> it's fine for now until I decide to get a new one.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Paula
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A couple of questions re IPad Mini 4

2015-09-20 Thread M.Nelson

when the excitement settles down, I intend to get a Mini4. I won’t be using it 
for phone calls, don’t use a BT keyboard and seldom use it for email, so are 
there any other “gotchas” that I should be aware of? Also, is the screen always 
split or just with certain apps?
Thanks,
Marie

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Re: A couple of questions re IPad Mini 4

2015-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth

Not seeing any iPad specific bugs, but in any case, split screens are for 
certain apps only like the stock Settings and Mail apps.
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 05:45, M.Nelson  wrote:
> 
> when the excitement settles down, I intend to get a Mini4. I won’t be using 
> it for phone calls, don’t use a BT keyboard and seldom use it for email, so 
> are there any other “gotchas” that I should be aware of? Also, is the screen 
> always split or just with certain apps?
> Thanks,
> Marie   
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