Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of Voiceover
HI, This just happened to me for the first time since the upgrade to 6. i have reset before with no problems. I discovered that voiceover was turned on but triple click home was off . I had to tturn triple click home to VO before all was well again. I should say that although I do have a Braille keyboard paired to the phone, I did not have it turned on at the time, indeed, i have not used it since the upgrade. So, I don't think that the Braille keyboard is the issue. Strange that it has not happened in previous resets though. Also, I note that all my settings under VO were set back to the defaults. i had, for example, Large text turned on, but this was off after the reset. So I am thinking this is a bug relating to the triple click being automatically set to on for VO rather than anything else. not sure now, but think that when I first looked in settings/general/Accessibility/Voiceover Vo was still turned on, but it was not working, as if it had been triple clicked to off, because the voice was not only missing, but touching the screen worked in the way it does when VO is off, I.E. touching an item enabled it and double tapping did nothing. Sorry for the messy thoughts, here is my conclusion, it is a problem with the Triple Click Home being disabled after a reset. Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 12 Oct 2012, at 21:18, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote: I reset my phone yesterday using both the home and power button, then restarted it and had voiceover, it is a $s running IOS 6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver Yes, as soon as I confirm this is the cause. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 5:56, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, The one thing you stated that caught my attention is regarding the Braille display being connected. So, this problem does not occur provided the display is not connected? If so, that is something and certainly worth reporting to APple. On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of Voiceover
I can confirm this. In i o s 5.1.1 this was not happening. When I beta tested the i o s 6, i did send this to Apple. Apparently, they did not have time to fix this. Please send more of your reports to accessibil...@apple.com On 10/12/12, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote: I reset my phone yesterday using both the home and power button, then restarted it and had voiceover, it is a $s running IOS 6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver Yes, as soon as I confirm this is the cause. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 5:56, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, The one thing you stated that caught my attention is regarding the Braille display being connected. So, this problem does not occur provided the display is not connected? If so, that is something and certainly worth reporting to APple. On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
RE: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of Voiceover
I reset my phone yesterday using both the home and power button, then restarted it and had voiceover, it is a $s running IOS 6. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver Yes, as soon as I confirm this is the cause. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 5:56, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, The one thing you stated that caught my attention is regarding the Braille display being connected. So, this problem does not occur provided the display is not connected? If so, that is something and certainly worth reporting to APple. On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I sent a message to Apple and they wrote back telling me, in effect, don't use home and power button to reboot the phone. I only did this when I could not get things straightened out. I think more people need to report this unless they have done this on purpose. Reggie and Brooks On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: David, That is very bizarre indeed and certainly shouldn't be happening by design. Sounds like a bug that should be reported to Apple accessibility. Do you ever lose VoiceOver when rebooting your phone normally? Also, not to get into a whole debate about resets and crashes again, but I don't know that this procedure should be carried out on a daily basis. Yes it's officially condoned by Apple, but only if powering off and on the phone isn't working normally. It may not crash the phone but it's certainly a safety mechanism that isn't meant to be used unless normal operation of the phone isn't working. Grant On 10/9/12, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
It does not work. I thought I wrecked my phone when I did it. Reggie and Brooks On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: It should actually work no matter what provided you've gone into Settings/General/Accessibility/Tripple Click Home and set it to VoiceOver. Grant On 10/9/12, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote: To be warned here though, you must do this triple click home on the welcome screen of each of the devices. Pressing the home key negates this functionality. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I had not rebooted for almost three weeks when it happened to me. I also had nothing attached to the phone. Reggie and Brooks On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
To the last trill? Does this do the same thing as holding until turn off completely? Reggie and Brooks On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send
RE: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
To be warned here though, you must do this triple click home on the welcome screen of each of the devices. Pressing the home key negates this functionality. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Ah, thanks Jeff, that makes sense. Could we talk about the maps feature sometime? On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote: To be warned here though, you must do this triple click home on the welcome screen of each of the devices. Pressing the home key negates this functionality. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search
RE: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Oh man, now I really want an ipad, grin. I've been trying to squelch that wish but I may not make it! Patti -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
David, The one thing you stated that caught my attention is regarding the Braille display being connected. So, this problem does not occur provided the display is not connected? If so, that is something and certainly worth reporting to APple. On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Yes, as soon as I confirm this is the cause. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 5:56, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, The one thing you stated that caught my attention is regarding the Braille display being connected. So, this problem does not occur provided the display is not connected? If so, that is something and certainly worth reporting to APple. On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive,
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
It should actually work no matter what provided you've gone into Settings/General/Accessibility/Tripple Click Home and set it to VoiceOver. Grant On 10/9/12, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote: To be warned here though, you must do this triple click home on the welcome screen of each of the devices. Pressing the home key negates this functionality. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
David, That is very bizarre indeed and certainly shouldn't be happening by design. Sounds like a bug that should be reported to Apple accessibility. Do you ever lose VoiceOver when rebooting your phone normally? Also, not to get into a whole debate about resets and crashes again, but I don't know that this procedure should be carried out on a daily basis. Yes it's officially condoned by Apple, but only if powering off and on the phone isn't working normally. It may not crash the phone but it's certainly a safety mechanism that isn't meant to be used unless normal operation of the phone isn't working. Grant On 10/9/12, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Yes, I was attempting to create the reported problem. Now that I have, I will re upgrade my iPhone 5 to reset it to factory values. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 10:59, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: David, That is very bizarre indeed and certainly shouldn't be happening by design. Sounds like a bug that should be reported to Apple accessibility. Do you ever lose VoiceOver when rebooting your phone normally? Also, not to get into a whole debate about resets and crashes again, but I don't know that this procedure should be carried out on a daily basis. Yes it's officially condoned by Apple, but only if powering off and on the phone isn't working normally. It may not crash the phone but it's certainly a safety mechanism that isn't meant to be used unless normal operation of the phone isn't working. Grant On 10/9/12, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I have not yet been able to figure out any patterns yet. I managed to make it lose VO again by having my braille display connected when I did the power home reboot. The most annoying thing is that the rotors are both set back to factory defaults each time VO is switched off. Also, triple-click home is deactivated, so iTunes is necessary for restarting VO on the iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 0:27, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Unless you get hit by this quite rare bug. VO is literally completely reset to factory defaults and triple-click home is switched off. It's hard to duplicate though. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10/10/2012, at 10:55, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: It should actually work no matter what provided you've gone into Settings/General/Accessibility/Tripple Click Home and set it to VoiceOver. Grant On 10/9/12, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote: To be warned here though, you must do this triple click home on the welcome screen of each of the devices. Pressing the home key negates this functionality. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver I have lost VO only once by using this reset, and that was because I got distracted and ended up holding it for about twenty seconds. I think there is a timing limit. However, with both the Ipad 3 and the iPhone 5, VO can be brought back with the tripple-click of the home key. I got an iPad 3 and out of the box the tripple-click worked. I then tried it with the iPhone 5 and this was also the case. No longer is sighted help or a computer connection necessary. This seems to now be built in by default. I like it! On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, I have to admit that I have not used this reboot procedure more than maybe a couple of times, yet I have not encountered this issue. So, is there any particular pattern to reproducing the problem? FOr example, rebooting repeatedly (within a period of time) such as maybe every five minutes for 10 times etc.? Perhaps rebooting the phone more than once a week? Also, is there any particular app that has caused the condition which necessitated a reboot? I am curious if there is in fact some pattern or application that may be the cause for the loss of speech etc. when the phone is rebooted using this technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:27 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I have now lost VO one time using this technique out of seven times I have used the technique on my iPhone 5. In addition to losing VO, my braille display would not connect after I started VO with iTunes. Also, VO was set to factory defaults. I had to do another power home reboot before the braille display drivers would load properly again. This is a fascinating little bug. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 09/10/2012, at 22:09, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree I have not lost VO as a result of using this reset technique. On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Katey Glass katey...@gmail.com wrote: I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
I have used holding the power button and home button to reset the iPhone and iPad many times and I havne't lost VO ever. Maybe reset is not the proper phrase as we are not technically resetting any settings, but rather just clearing out memory cobwebs on the phone or pad. At any rate, I have indeed held both power button and home button and waited 10 seconds an d the device comes back talking. Katey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Should resetting the iPhone in IOS 6 cause loss of VoiceOver
Hey Kathy, this definitely shouldn't be the case. Doing a reset in the manner you described simply forces the phone to reboot. It shouldn't reset any of your settings. To be safe though, I'd recommend popping into Settings/General/Accessibility/Tripple click home, and setting the tripple click home command to VoiceOver. That way you'll have a better chance of getting the phone up and talking again should VoiceOver ever be disabled, because you can simply press the HOME button three times to toggle it. Grant On 10/8/12, Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com wrote: I wrote to accessibil...@apple.com and was told that the hard re-set, holding down the home and sleep/wake buttons at the same time, does indeed result in loss of VoiceOver and does so by design. In order to get VoiceOver back, you must either get sighted help or connect the phone to a computer and re-enable VoiceOver using iTunes. Moral of story: power off only by holding down sleep/wake until the slider appears and then double-tap. Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
