RE: considering Apple watch

2019-10-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Because I find that if raise to wake is on Voiceover starts talking every time 
I raise my wrist and often that defeats the purpose of checking the time 
silently.



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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:07 AM
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You don't have to disable "raise to wake" to have the haptic time work properly 
..  and you can raise the watch and ask a question .. not sure why others are 
saying that you have to disable this.  On the haptic time, it does work better 
on the newer watches .. but even on my series 3 it would work properly the 
majority of the time.

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Lant
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:54 PM
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Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Thanks for the thoughts.  My sighted coworker is singing the praises of Apple 
watch. Part of what makes it such a hit in her world is the raise to wake 
feature and then being able to immediately ask a question hand free.  Sounds 
like that is out the window for Voiceover users, but maybe we have some fun 
features, too.  I'll read the AppleVis articles I can find and go into the 
Apple store to see one in action.  Good to know that the processor speed is 
significantly better on the newer ones.  I will avoid the earlier editions. 



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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:18 AM
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Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
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Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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RE: considering Apple watch

2019-10-22 Thread Peter Logan 
You don't have to disable "raise to wake" to have the haptic time work properly 
..  and you can raise the watch and ask a question .. not sure why others are 
saying that you have to disable this.  On the haptic time, it does work better 
on the newer watches .. but even on my series 3 it would work properly the 
majority of the time.

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Lant
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Thanks for the thoughts.  My sighted coworker is singing the praises of Apple 
watch. Part of what makes it such a hit in her world is the raise to wake 
feature and then being able to immediately ask a question hand free.  Sounds 
like that is out the window for Voiceover users, but maybe we have some fun 
features, too.  I'll read the AppleVis articles I can find and go into the 
Apple store to see one in action.  Good to know that the processor speed is 
significantly better on the newer ones.  I will avoid the earlier editions. 



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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:18 AM
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Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
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Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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RE: considering Apple watch

2019-10-21 Thread R Van Lant 
Thanks for the thoughts.  My sighted coworker is singing the praises of Apple 
watch. Part of what makes it such a hit in her world is the raise to wake 
feature and then being able to immediately ask a question hand free.  Sounds 
like that is out the window for Voiceover users, but maybe we have some fun 
features, too.  I'll read the AppleVis articles I can find and go into the 
Apple store to see one in action.  Good to know that the processor speed is 
significantly better on the newer ones.  I will avoid the earlier editions. 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: considering Apple watch

Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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RE: considering Apple watch

2019-10-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Which series of watch do you have? I find on my new fifth generation watch it's 
very rare that haptic time does not work if I make sure to give it the 2 or 3 
taps required (depending on whether I want hours included or not) nice and 
deliberately and of course you have to make sure you disable raise to wake and 
all that stuff.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering Apple watch

I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time without 
speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried repeatedly to make haptic 
time work ... and sometimes it does.  However, often the watch speaks the time 
instead of vibrating it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can 
count on it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to make the 
watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine seems to feel it has 
to finish the thought before it will stop, palm over or not.

However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't have 
otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how many minutes I 
actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate min and max at six hour 
intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that once in a while.

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Re: considering Apple watch

2019-10-21 Thread Ann Byrne 
I don't like my Apple watch because it doesn't reliably tell the time 
without speaking.  It may be operator error, but I have tried 
repeatedly to make haptic time work ... and sometimes it 
does.  However, often the watch speaks the time instead of vibrating 
it.  I sometimes wear my Seiko Braille watch because I can count on 
it to be silent.  and my phone gives me all the messages and news 
headlines that I want.  One setting I have enabled is supposed to 
make the watch stop talking when you place your palm over it.  Mine 
seems to feel it has to finish the thought before it will stop, palm 
over or not.


However.  The Apple watch includes exercise goal setting that I don't 
have otherwise--how many hours I stood for at least a minute, how 
many minutes I actually exercised ... current heart rate, heart rate 
min and max at six hour intervals.  I'm old, so I like to track that 
once in a while.


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RE: considering Apple watch

2019-10-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I am not sure about the very first Apple Watch, but I bought a second 
generation Apple Watch in the fall of 2016 and it certainly does haptic time, 
but I very strongly would discourage you from buying a second gen watch, you 
will be very frustrated by it’s sluggishness and the fact that you very often 
get speech when you want haptic. My wife and I recently did buy the newest 
fifth generation watch and it’s a difference like night and day. You could buy 
a fourth generation watch because I believe the processor is the same, but with 
the Apple Watch, still a relatively new category, if you want to have it for 
years to come it really is best to buy the latest model so you get the most out 
of the hardware. There is also the third generation watch which I understand 
was a fair bit better than the second generation, but I guess you really would 
have to see what the price difference is, we almost bought the fourth gen last 
year, but ended up waiting and are glad we did because this year’s model has a 
built-in compass and for my wife who is sighted the fact it has the always on 
display is very nice.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: considering Apple watch

My beloved Seiko Braille watch recently died.  I have never considered an Apple 
watch, but as I consider buying a new Braille watch versus Apple, I would like 
to know what is the earliest version of the Apple watch that I would need to 
consider to have haptic time telling capability.  Being able to check the time 
discretely is important to me and I think I’ve heard you can do that on Apple 
watch right?  I don’t want to shell out the big bucks on the newest Apple 
watch, but  this is the time for me to understand if going to the apple watch 
is better than a new quality Braille watch.   And, if you want to sell me on 
why you love having an Apple watch, do share.  I’ll go peruse the AppleVis 
site, too.

TIA,
Robin

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