Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Robert Doc Wright]

What happened to the "sync selected music" check box?  I cannot find it to 
  - Original Message - 
  From: christopher hallsworth 
  To: Viphone 
  Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:27 PM
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar


  Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:


I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
things?

Richard



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If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Terje Strømberg]

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Open or close the selected item's disclosure triangle

Left Arrow or Right Arrow, or + and - on the numeric keypad


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Can anyone point me to a list of all hot keys in iTunes? I still remain
baffled by it and would like to make it a friend or at least not a howling
teethgnashing monster (smile)!
Thank you.
Terrie Terlau
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Hi John,

I am not sure why you think these hot keys wouldn't be native to iTunes 12.
They do work perfectly well and in fact I miswrote earlier because I wrote
Alt+1, Aklt+2 etc. and it is of course Control+1, Control+2 and so on. 
Alt+These
worked in iTunes 11 (at least most of them) and they work even better in
iTunes 12. I am also using Jaws and Richard said he is using Window Eyes so
since they work both for me and for him they can't be Jaws or Window Eyes
specific hot keys.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though their
were a couple I didn't know about.

On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum
again.
> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some 
> idiot claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It 
> didn't make sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just 
> another example of you can't believe everything you read, especially 
> on the internet.
> 
> 
> 
> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very 
> different.
> 
> I am using Windows 8.1.
> 
> Here are some hot keys that might help:
> 
> control+1 = Music
> 
> Control+2 = Movies
> 
> Control+3 = TV Shows
> 
> Control+4 = Podcasts
> 
> Control+5 = iTunes U
> 
> Control+6 = Auydio Books
> 
> Control+7 = Apps
> 
> Control+8 = Tones
> 
> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
> 
> Control+j = View Options
> 
> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
> 
> D = Show Duplicate Items
> 
> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
> 
> 
> 
> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what 
> works best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, 
> etc.
> 
> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
> 
> 
> 
> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
> 
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
> 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I 
> don't understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still 
> radio buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and
arrows.
> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see 
> what happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can 
> also check with vo-space.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> 
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> 
> thrown in the trash!
> 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> 
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> 
> And now, every day:
> 
> "This I call to mind,
> 
> and therefore I have hope:
> 
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> 
> never ceases;
> 
> his mercies never come to an end;

RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Jon C. Pierson]

and 14 rows
Action

Shortcut

 
Select the next control

Tab

 
Click the currently selected control

Enter

 
Open or close the selected item's disclosure triangle

Left Arrow or Right Arrow, or + and - on the numeric keypad

  
Action

Select the next control

Click the currently selected control

Open or close the selected item's disclosure triangle

Shortcut

Tab

Enter

Left Arrow or Right Arrow, or + and - on the numeric keypad

Action

Shortcut
table end

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Can anyone point me to a list of all hot keys in iTunes? I still remain
baffled by it and would like to make it a friend or at least not a howling
teethgnashing monster (smile)!
Thank you.
Terrie Terlau
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Hi John,

I am not sure why you think these hot keys wouldn't be native to iTunes 12.
They do work perfectly well and in fact I miswrote earlier because I wrote
Alt+1, Aklt+2 etc. and it is of course Control+1, Control+2 and so on. 
Alt+These
worked in iTunes 11 (at least most of them) and they work even better in
iTunes 12. I am also using Jaws and Richard said he is using Window Eyes so
since they work both for me and for him they can't be Jaws or Window Eyes
specific hot keys.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though their
were a couple I didn't know about.

On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum
again.
> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some 
> idiot claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It 
> didn't make sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just 
> another example of you can't believe everything you read, especially 
> on the internet.
>
>
>
> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very 
> different.
>
> I am using Windows 8.1.
>
> Here are some hot keys that might help:
>
> control+1 = Music
>
> Control+2 = Movies
>
> Control+3 = TV Shows
>
> Control+4 = Podcasts
>
> Control+5 = iTunes U
>
> Control+6 = Auydio Books
>
> Control+7 = Apps
>
> Control+8 = Tones
>
> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
>
> Control+j = View Options
>
> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
>
> D = Show Duplicate Items
>
> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
>
>
>
> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what 
> works best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, 
> etc.
>
> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
>
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I 
> don't understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still 
> radio buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and
arrows.
> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see 
> what happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can 
> also check with vo-space.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>
> thrown in the trash!
>
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>
> His joy for my despairing tears!
>
> And now, every day:
>
> "This I call to mind,
>
> and therefore I have hope:
>
> The steadfast love of the Lord
>
> never ceases;

RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Terrie Terlau]

Can anyone point me to a list of all hot keys in iTunes? I still remain
baffled by it and would like to make it a friend or at least not a howling
teethgnashing monster (smile)!
Thank you.
Terrie Terlau
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Hi John,

I am not sure why you think these hot keys wouldn't be native to iTunes 12.
They do work perfectly well and in fact I miswrote earlier because I wrote
Alt+1, Aklt+2 etc. and it is of course Control+1, Control+2 and so on. These
worked in iTunes 11 (at least most of them) and they work even better in
iTunes 12. I am also using Jaws and Richard said he is using Window Eyes so
since they work both for me and for him they can't be Jaws or Window Eyes
specific hot keys.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though
their were a couple I didn't know about.

On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum
again.
> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some idiot
> claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It didn't make
> sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just another example
> of
> you can't believe everything you read, especially on the internet.
>
>
>
> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very
> different.
>
> I am using Windows 8.1.
>
> Here are some hot keys that might help:
>
> control+1 = Music
>
> Control+2 = Movies
>
> Control+3 = TV Shows
>
> Control+4 = Podcasts
>
> Control+5 = iTunes U
>
> Control+6 = Auydio Books
>
> Control+7 = Apps
>
> Control+8 = Tones
>
> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
>
> Control+j = View Options
>
> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
>
> D = Show Duplicate Items
>
> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
>
>
>
> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what
> works
> best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, etc.
>
> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
>
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
> finished,
> you! really! are! finished!
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't
> understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio
> buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows.
> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what
> happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can also
> check
> with vo-space.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>
> thrown in the trash!
>
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>
> His joy for my despairing tears!
>
> And now, every day:
>
> "This I call to mind,
>
> and therefore I have hope:
>
> The steadfast love of the Lord
>
> never ceases;
>
> his mercies never come to an end;
>
> they are new every morning;
>
> great is your faithfulness."
>
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  <mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use
> tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes
> for the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies,
etc.,
> like option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad.
But
> the idea of tabbing everywhere seems very c

Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Charles Rivard]

So soon after release?  I'm still exploring it, and don't feel a need for a 
podcast.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar


  Will anyone be making a podcast on how to access it with various screen 
readers?

  From: christopher hallsworth 
  Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:29 PM
  To: Viphone 
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

  Yes, iTunes 12 is totally accessible, including the icons.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 21:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

Hi David,


So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 


Thanks:


Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  
wrote:


  Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

  On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:

  I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are 
used to.
  Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
  Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
things?

  Richard


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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Russ Kiehne]

Will anyone be making a podcast on how to access it with various screen readers?

From: christopher hallsworth 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:29 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

Yes, iTunes 12 is totally accessible, including the icons.

  On 18 Oct 2014, at 21:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

  Hi David,


  So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 


  Thanks:


  Eileen

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:


Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:


  Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:

I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are 
used to.
Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
things?

Richard


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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[John Diakogeorgiou]

If I implied that I'm sorry. I was trying to say they existed before 12.

On 10/19/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I am not sure why you think these hot keys wouldn't be native to iTunes 12.
> They do work perfectly well and in fact I miswrote earlier because I wrote
> Alt+1, Aklt+2 etc. and it is of course Control+1, Control+2 and so on.
> These
> worked in iTunes 11 (at least most of them) and they work even better in
> iTunes 12. I am also using Jaws and Richard said he is using Window Eyes so
> since they work both for me and for him they can't be Jaws or Window Eyes
> specific hot keys.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
> As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though
> their were a couple I didn't know about.
>
> On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum
> again.
>> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some
>> idiot
>> claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It didn't make
>> sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just another example
>> of
>> you can't believe everything you read, especially on the internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very
>> different.
>>
>> I am using Windows 8.1.
>>
>> Here are some hot keys that might help:
>>
>> control+1 = Music
>>
>> Control+2 = Movies
>>
>> Control+3 = TV Shows
>>
>> Control+4 = Podcasts
>>
>> Control+5 = iTunes U
>>
>> Control+6 = Auydio Books
>>
>> Control+7 = Apps
>>
>> Control+8 = Tones
>>
>> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
>>
>> Control+j = View Options
>>
>> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
>>
>> D = Show Duplicate Items
>>
>> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
>>
>>
>>
>> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what
>> works
>> best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, etc.
>>
>> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Charles Rivard
>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>>
>>
>>
>> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>> finished,
>> you! really! are! finished!
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't
>> understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio
>> buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows.
>> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what
>> happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can also
>> check
>> with vo-space.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheryl
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>
>> thrown in the trash!
>>
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>
>> And now, every day:
>>
>> "This I call to mind,
>>
>> and therefore I have hope:
>>
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>
>> never ceases;
>>
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>
>> they are new every morning;
>>
>> great is your faithfulness."
>>
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran > <mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote:
>>

RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi John,

I am not sure why you think these hot keys wouldn't be native to iTunes 12.
They do work perfectly well and in fact I miswrote earlier because I wrote
Alt+1, Aklt+2 etc. and it is of course Control+1, Control+2 and so on. These
worked in iTunes 11 (at least most of them) and they work even better in
iTunes 12. I am also using Jaws and Richard said he is using Window Eyes so
since they work both for me and for him they can't be Jaws or Window Eyes
specific hot keys.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though
their were a couple I didn't know about.

On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum
again.
> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some idiot
> claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It didn't make
> sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just another example
> of
> you can't believe everything you read, especially on the internet.
>
>
>
> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very
> different.
>
> I am using Windows 8.1.
>
> Here are some hot keys that might help:
>
> control+1 = Music
>
> Control+2 = Movies
>
> Control+3 = TV Shows
>
> Control+4 = Podcasts
>
> Control+5 = iTunes U
>
> Control+6 = Auydio Books
>
> Control+7 = Apps
>
> Control+8 = Tones
>
> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
>
> Control+j = View Options
>
> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
>
> D = Show Duplicate Items
>
> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
>
>
>
> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what
> works
> best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, etc.
>
> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
>
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
> finished,
> you! really! are! finished!
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't
> understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio
> buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows.
> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what
> happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can also
> check
> with vo-space.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>
> thrown in the trash!
>
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>
> His joy for my despairing tears!
>
> And now, every day:
>
> "This I call to mind,
>
> and therefore I have hope:
>
> The steadfast love of the Lord
>
> never ceases;
>
> his mercies never come to an end;
>
> they are new every morning;
>
> great is your faithfulness."
>
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  <mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use
> tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes
> for the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies,
etc.,
> like option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad.
But
> the idea of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.
>
>
>
> Teresa
>
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Yes, the buttons are accessible.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:

Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[John Diakogeorgiou]

As an FYI, these hot keys are not native to ITunes 12. Thanks though
their were a couple I didn't know about.

On 10/18/14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum again.
> I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some idiot
> claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It didn't make
> sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just another example
> of
> you can't believe everything you read, especially on the internet.
>
>
>
> So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very
> different.
>
> I am using Windows 8.1.
>
> Here are some hot keys that might help:
>
> control+1 = Music
>
> Control+2 = Movies
>
> Control+3 = TV Shows
>
> Control+4 = Podcasts
>
> Control+5 = iTunes U
>
> Control+6 = Auydio Books
>
> Control+7 = Apps
>
> Control+8 = Tones
>
> Control+9 = iTunes Radio
>
> Control+j = View Options
>
> Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next
>
> D = Show Duplicate Items
>
> Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads
>
>
>
> You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what
> works
> best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, etc.
>
> I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Rivard
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.
>
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
> finished,
> you! really! are! finished!
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>
>
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't
> understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio
> buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows.
> Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what
> happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can also
> check
> with vo-space.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>
> thrown in the trash!
>
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>
> His joy for my despairing tears!
>
> And now, every day:
>
> "This I call to mind,
>
> and therefore I have hope:
>
> The steadfast love of the Lord
>
> never ceases;
>
> his mercies never come to an end;
>
> they are new every morning;
>
> great is your faithfulness."
>
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  <mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use
> tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes
> for the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc.,
> like option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But
> the idea of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.
>
>
>
> Teresa
>
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Yes, the buttons are accessible.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  <mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
>
>
> So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet
> upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks:
>
>
>
>
>
> Eileen
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the
> display. She finds it to be 

RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Richard Turner]

OK.  I won't be posting anything I find on the Apple community forum again.
I had not looked at iTunes 12 when I search for information and some idiot
claimed that the library and such was under playlists.  It didn't make
sense, but I thought it might be a reliable source.  Just another example of
you can't believe everything you read, especially on the internet.

 

So, now that I have updated to iTunes 12, it isn't that bad, just very
different.

I am using Windows 8.1.

Here are some hot keys that might help:

control+1 = Music

Control+2 = Movies

Control+3 = TV Shows

Control+4 = Podcasts

Control+5 = iTunes U

Control+6 = Auydio Books

Control+7 = Apps

Control+8 = Tones

Control+9 = iTunes Radio

Control+j = View Options

Control+Shift+U = Show Up Next

D = Show Duplicate Items

Control+Shift+3 Show Downloads

 

You still have to do some tabbing around and experimenting to see what works
best for you, but you can still get to songs, artists, albums, etc.

I'm using Window-Eyes and so far, everything seems to be accessible.

 

Richard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

 

As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message - 

From: Cheryl Homiak <mailto:cah4...@icloud.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

 

Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't
understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio
buttons which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows.
Besides that, there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what
happens. But all they do is check the radio buttons which you can also check
with vo-space. 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote:

 

I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use
tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes
for the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc.,
like option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But
the idea of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.

 

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes, the buttons are accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> 

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi David,





So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 





Thanks:





Eileen


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use.
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio,
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> 

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth mailto:challswor...@icloud.com> > wrote:

Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those
accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> > wrote:

 

I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.

Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.

Anyone updated that can confirm how

Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Charles Rivard]

As a Windows user, I don't use VoiceOver when using iTunes.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheryl Homiak 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:09 PM
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar


  Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't 
understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio buttons 
which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows. Besides that, 
there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what happens. But all they 
do is check the radio buttons which you can also check with vo-space.


  -- 
  Cheryl


  I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
  thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  "This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
  they are new every morning;
  great is your faithfulness."
  (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)








On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:


I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use 
tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes for 
the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc., like 
option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But the idea 
of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.


Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:


  Yes, the buttons are accessible.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:


Hi David,


So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't 
yet upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 


Thanks:


Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  
wrote:


  Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of 
the display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to 
for those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

  On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  
wrote:


  I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we 
are used to.
  Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
  Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows 
side of things?

  Richard



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RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Rose Combs]

Charles, I will get  used to not having the sidebar I suppose.  But lately I
wish I could be finished, defeated is to weak a word for how I feel most of
the time.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

 

I think of it this way when tabbing repeatedly, or other keystrokes.
Whatever works, works.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message - 

From: Teresa Cochran <mailto:batsfly...@me.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

 

I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use
tab? I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes
for the Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc.,
like option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But
the idea of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.

 

Teresa

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On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

Yes, the buttons are accessible.

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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

Hi David,





So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 





Thanks:





Eileen


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden 
wrote:

Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use.
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio,
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth 
wrote:

Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those
accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:

 

I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.

Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.

Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of
things?

 

Richard

 

 

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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Cheryl Homiak]

I think something might change with your library. The first time I opened 
iTunes after the upgrade there was a message about reorganizing the library 
(actually that wasn't the wording but I don't remember) and it took quite a 
while.

Really, even if you don't have to upgrade, there isn't a reason not to do it as 
far as I can see. You can still do what you did before but will have to do it a 
little differently. The thing is: at some point it probably will become 
necessary to upgrade iTunes though there's probably no harm in waiting until 
that time comes. I'm writing this from the perspective of iTunes on a mac; I 
can't speak knowledgeably about iTunes on Windows.


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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> I think I'll stick with iTunes 11.4 which is supposed to be compatible with 
> the iPhone 6. Other than changes which are visually appealing, what new 
> features does iTunes 12 have in addition to user interface changes? 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:56 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
>> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
>> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
>> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
>> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
>> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
>> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
>>> those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
 On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner >>> > wrote:
 
 I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used 
 to.
 Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
 Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Alan Lemly]

I think I'll stick with iTunes 11.4 which is supposed to be compatible with the 
iPhone 6. Other than changes which are visually appealing, what new features 
does iTunes 12 have in addition to user interface changes? 

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:56 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
>> accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
>>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
>>> things?
>>>  
>>> Richard
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Cheryl Homiak]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed here because I don't 
understand why you would tab all over the place. There are still radio buttons 
which you can get to perfectly fine with voiceover and arrows. Besides that, 
there are shortcuts: try starting with cmd-1 and see what happens. But all they 
do is check the radio buttons which you can also check with vo-space.

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use tab? 
> I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes for the 
> Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc., like 
> option f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But the 
> idea of tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
> the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the buttons are accessible.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
>>> upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks:
>>> 
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
 display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to 
 use. ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no 
 longer anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, 
 more (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet 
 radio, exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar 
 directly underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth >>> > wrote:
 
> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
> those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in 
> playlists.
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used 
>> to.
>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
>> things?
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

If you use a Mac, don't forget about the item chooser. It may help with finding 
something quickly. Also, VO+J can sometimes jump between useful parts of an 
app. I haven't used iTunes much without the sidebar yet, but those are 
strategies I will definitely explore when I do.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:41 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

> Press command-1 to check the music view. You should then see a group of radio 
> buttons like my music, match, playlists, internet radio and so on. Tones is 
> actually a separate view as well as apps. Apps is command-7 while tones is 
> command-another number, can't remember off hand. Why not explore the view 
> menu, including the more submenu. All key commands will be displayed there.
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:38, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> I read that on the Apple community site.
>> So, have you found how to get to your device and or things like Music, Apps, 
>> Tones, etc.?
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:28 PM
>> To: Viphone
>> Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar
>>  
>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
>> accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
>>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>>  
>>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
>>> things?
>>>  
>>> Richard
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Cheryl Homiak]

I'm glad now that I taught myself to use it without the sidebar, though even so 
it is a bit different than before. The sidebar was admittedly nice though.
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The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




> On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:27 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
> accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of things?
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Charles Rivard]

I think of it this way when tabbing repeatedly, or other keystrokes.  Whatever 
works, works.

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  From: Teresa Cochran 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar


  I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use tab? 
I don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes for the 
Mac used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc., like option 
f5 or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But the idea of 
tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.


  Teresa

  "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

  On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:


Yes, the buttons are accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:


  Hi David,


  So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 


  Thanks:


  Eileen

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  
wrote:


Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of 
the display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth 
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  Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to 
for those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  
wrote:


I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are 
used to.
Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side 
of things?

Richard



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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[christopher hallsworth]

Press command-1 to check the music view. You should then see a group of radio 
buttons like my music, match, playlists, internet radio and so on. Tones is 
actually a separate view as well as apps. Apps is command-7 while tones is 
command-another number, can't remember off hand. Why not explore the view menu, 
including the more submenu. All key commands will be displayed there.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:38, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> I read that on the Apple community site.
> So, have you found how to get to your device and or things like Music, Apps, 
> Tones, etc.?
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> Richard
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> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
> accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner > <mailto:rich...@turner42.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of things?
>>  
>> Richard
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Teresa Cochran]

I'm curious. Are there keyboard shortcuts for the buttons, or do you use tab? I 
don't think I would like tabbing all over the place. I know iTunes for the Mac 
used to have some shortcuts for getting to music, movies, etc., like option f5 
or some such. Barring that, I'd probably use a touchpad. But the idea of 
tabbing everywhere seems very clunky to me.

Teresa

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:32 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the buttons are accessible.
> 
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>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
>> upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 
>> 
>> Thanks:
>> 
>> Eileen
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
>>> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
>>> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
>>> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
>>> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
>>> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
>>> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
>>> 
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 On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
 wrote:
 
 Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
 those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in 
 playlists.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used 
> to.
> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
> things?
>  
> Richard
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the buttons are accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 19 Oct 2014, at 09:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
> upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 
> 
> Thanks:
> 
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
>> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
>> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
>> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
>> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
>> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
>> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
>>> those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
 On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
 
 I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used 
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 Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
 Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, iTunes 12 is totally accessible, including the icons.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 21:03, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
> upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 
> 
> Thanks:
> 
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
>> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
>> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
>> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
>> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
>> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
>> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
>>> those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
 On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner >>> > wrote:
 
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, that's it, didn't think it had anything to do with playlists.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 21:04, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> I haven't used the sidebar any more since iTunes 11 came out and actually 
> like it better that way. To get to your Device you just click on the button 
> for your device which is usually right next to the iTunes Store button in all 
> of the libraries.
>  
> Regards,
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Charles Rivard]

I wasn't aware of an iTunes 12.  What are the advantages for a blind user over 
the latest version of iTunes 11?  Thanks.

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  From: Eileen Misrahi 
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  Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar


  Hi David,


  So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 


  Thanks:


  Eileen

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:


Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:


  Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for 
those accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:


I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are 
used to.
Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
things?

Richard



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RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I haven't used the sidebar any more since iTunes 11 came out and actually
like it better that way. To get to your Device you just click on the button
for your device which is usually right next to the iTunes Store button in
all of the libraries.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.

Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.

Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of
things?

 

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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi David,

So, if this is the case, are the icons accessible with VO? I haven't yet 
upgraded to iTunes 12 yet. Can you access these icons using VO-M? 

Thanks:

Eileen

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
> display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
> ,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
> anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
> (podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
> exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
> underneath the bar with the play buttons. 
> 
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>> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
>> accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
>>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of 
>>> things?
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>>  
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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[David Chittenden]

Acording to my sighted partner, these are now all icons at the top of the 
display. She finds it to be much more visually appealing and easier to use. 
,the device icon appears when the device is plugged in. There is no longer 
anything that is labelled library. There is home, music, movies, more 
(podcasts, iTunes U, audio books, apps, tones (ring tones), internet radio, 
exit), and finally the device icon. Visually, these are on the bar directly 
underneath the bar with the play buttons. 

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> On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:27, christopher hallsworth  
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> 
> Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
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>> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.
>> Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.
>> Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of things?
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
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RE: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[Richard Turner]

I read that on the Apple community site.

So, have you found how to get to your device and or things like Music, Apps,
Tones, etc.?

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

 

Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those
accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.

On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner mailto:rich...@turner42.com> > wrote:

 

I just heard that iTunes 12 really does not have the sidebar we are used to.

Apparently, the devices and library are under playlist.

Anyone updated that can confirm how this works on the Windows side of
things?

 

Richard

 

 

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Re: iTunes 12, no sidebar

[christopher hallsworth]

Certainly the sidebar is no more so will take some getting used to for those 
accustomed to it. Don't think the device and library are in playlists.
> On 18 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
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