RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I think described images is a feature on older phones, but screen recognition 
is not and if I remember correctly there is no Voiceover Recognition section on 
phones like the iPhone 8, the describe images is somewhere else.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

If Describe Images was not a feature supported by your phone then you would not 
expect it to be available under the Rotor too?

Do you have Screen Recognition available in your Rotor as well?

Confusing!
Malcolm Parfitt


On 20 Dec 2020, at 17:19, Debbie Downey  wrote:

I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image
recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

Debbie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Described immages

Hi Debbie,

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Downey<mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Described immages

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Described immages

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Parfitt<mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?
Malcolm Parfitt

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Downey<mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Described immages

Hi,
I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?
Thanks!
Debbie
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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Andy Baracco
This was the case for me.  Turning it off didn't really turn it off, and i had 
to add it to the roter and then take it out of the roter for each app. What a 
pain in the butt!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Malcolm Parfitt 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Described immages


  I understand exactly what you’re saying.  However, some people have commented 
here that even though Describe Images is turned off under VoiceOver Recognition 
the night sky issue was not resolved until it was turned off in the Rotor.  
This may be a bug of course which lead me to question the relation to the 
options for enabling and disabling this feature.


  Malcolm Parfitt


On 20 Dec 2020, at 16:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


 
I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover 
Recognition are not available on the iPhone 8.

For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have 
and possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off in 
Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then get 
a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of course, 
add it to the rotor.

I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. I 
therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for all 
apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other apps I 
can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want it. It's 
a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Debbie Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: Described immages



That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: Described immages



I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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From: Malcolm Parfitt 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages



If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there. 



Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt



  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:

   

  Hi Debbie,



  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

  - Original Message - 

  From: Debbie Downey 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

  Subject: Described immages



  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?

  Thanks!

  Debbie

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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
If Describe Images was not a feature supported by your phone then you would not 
expect it to be available under the Rotor too?

Do you have Screen Recognition available in your Rotor as well?

Confusing!

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 17:19, Debbie Downey  wrote:
> 
> 
> I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> Downey
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
> voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image
> recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
> where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.
>  
> Thanks for everyone’s help on this!
>  
> Debbie 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
> Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
> Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
> recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
> available in a newer iPhone than I have.   
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
> Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
> option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
> wrong someone please correct me.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Malcolm Parfitt
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
> you will find it there.
>  
> Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
> setting here?
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
>  
> 
> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
> Thanks!
> Debbie
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RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Debbie Downey
I should say that I found described images under roter not image recognition.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

 

I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image 

recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

 

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

 

Debbie  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

Hi Debbie,

 

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey <mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: Described immages

 

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt <mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey <mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Debbie Downey
I think that Sieghard may be right; I don’t even have voice recognition under 
voiceover settings on my iPhone 8 but I did turn image 

recognition off under the roter and then do it for each app that I encounter 
where I don’t wish to have that information conveyed.

 

Thanks for everyone’s help on this!

 

Debbie  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

Hi Debbie,

 

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey <mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: Described immages

 

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt <mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

 

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey <mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Mike B
Hi Debbie,

On my old SE 1st generation phone if you go to Settings / Accessibility / 
Voiceover / Rotor and open Rotor, now swipe all the way through, Describe 
Images,  and Reorder Describe Images, are the last 2 options.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Described immages


That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
available in a newer iPhone than I have.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages



I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe 
Images option on the rotor controls its function per individual application. 
If I'm wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Malcolm Parfitt

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages



If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there.



Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:

  

  Hi Debbie,



  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

  - Original Message - 

  From: Debbie Downey

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

  Subject: Described immages



  Hi,

  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?

  Thanks!

  Debbie

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RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Fazil
Is Voice-Recognition available in iPhone8 too?

Thanks!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

 

 

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
I understand exactly what you’re saying.  However, some people have commented 
here that even though Describe Images is turned off under VoiceOver Recognition 
the night sky issue was not resolved until it was turned off in the Rotor.  
This may be a bug of course which lead me to question the relation to the 
options for enabling and disabling this feature.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 16:38, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover Recognition 
> are not available on the iPhone 8.
> For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have 
> and possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off 
> in Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then 
> get a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of 
> course, add it to the rotor.
> I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
> telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
> also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
> recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
> perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. 
> I therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
> Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for 
> all apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other 
> apps I can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want 
> it. It's a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> Downey
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Described immages
>  
> That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
> recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is 
> available in a newer iPhone than I have.   
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
> Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
> option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
> wrong someone please correct me.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Malcolm Parfitt
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Described immages
>  
> If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
> you will find it there.
>  
> Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
> setting here?
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
>  
> 
> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
>  
> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
> Thanks!
> Debbie
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RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I may be wrong, but I think some of the features under Voiceover Recognition 
are not available on the iPhone 8.
For those who have newer phones, definitely iPhone 11 which is what I have and 
possibly iPhone XR, you can turn image and screen recognition on or off in 
Voiceover Settings under Voiceover Recognition. If you turn it on you then get 
a list of all your apps where you can turn it on or off and you can, of course, 
add it to the rotor.
I use a VoIP phone app called 3CX which is set up to work with my business 
telephone system. This app was completely inaccessible on my old iPhone 8 and 
also on newer phones with screen recognition turned off. However, with screen 
recognition turned on the app becomes almost completely accessible, not 
perfect, but I can access recent calls, the keypad, settings and other areas. I 
therefore turned on Screen Recognition in Voiceover Settings > Voiceover 
Recognition, but then I went through my list of apps and turned it off for all 
apps except for 3CX, this way whenever I open 3CX it is on and for other apps I 
can turn it as well as image recognition on using the rotor if I want it. It's 
a fantastic new feature of iOS 14.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Described immages

That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Parfitt<mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?
Malcolm Parfitt

On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Downey<mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Described immages

Hi,
I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?
Thanks!
Debbie
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RE: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Debbie Downey
That is what I’m wondering about; I can’t find image recognition in voice 
recognition under voiceover;  that is why I think that maybe this is available 
in a newer iPhone than I have.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Described immages

 

I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe Images 
option on the rotor controls its function per individual application.  If I'm 
wrong someone please correct me.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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From: Malcolm Parfitt <mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM

Subject: Re: Described immages

 

If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there. 

 

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt





On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Debbie,

 

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning this 
on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do this is 
to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you highlight 
it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie Downey <mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM

Subject: Described immages

 

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. Is 
that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just missing 
something which is highly likely?

Thanks!

Debbie

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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Mike B
I just tested this out and apparently if you turn on Image Description in 
Voiceover Recognition this will turn it on for all apps.  The Describe 
Images option on the rotor controls its function per individual application. 
If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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From: Malcolm Parfitt
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: Described immages


If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition 
you will find it there.


Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override 
the setting here?


Malcolm Parfitt


  On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:


  
  Hi Debbie,

  I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Debbie Downey
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
  Subject: Described immages


  Hi,





  I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?



  Thanks!



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Re: Described immages

2020-12-20 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
If you go into Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover and VoiceOver Recognition you 
will find it there.

Not sure what its relationship is with the Rotor, does the Rotor override the 
setting here?

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 02:46, Mike B  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Debbie,
>  
> I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
> this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
> this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
> highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.
> 
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
> - Original Message -
> From: Debbie Downey
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
> Subject: Described immages
> 
> Hi,
>  
>  
> I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, 
> isn’t there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find 
> it. Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
> missing something which is highly likely?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Debbie
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Re: Described immages

2020-12-19 Thread Mike B
Hi Debbie,

I don't think there is a setting in Accessibility / Voiceover for turning 
this on and off, at least I couldn't find it.  I believe the only way to do 
this is to add, Describe Images, to the rotor and once it's on the rotor you 
highlight it and flick up and down to turn it on and off for each app.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Downey
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Described immages


Hi,





I have an iPhone 8 and I did add described images to the roter. However, isn’t 
there somewhere to turn this off under voiceover? I can’t seem to find it. 
Is that feature available in a newer model of the iPhone or am I just 
missing something which is highly likely?



Thanks!



Debbie


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