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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Timothy Emmons

You may be right, and you do definitely have a point. The iDevices do allow 
yout o scroll and navigate the pages with the braille display but what I was 
trying to emphasize was the fact that your pages are indeed larger like reading 
a book on the iPad versus reading on your phone is for sighted individuals. In 
some circumstances, can be crucial to what you're doing and/or reading for 
work, or whatever your uses are. I'm writing this on my second cup of cofee for 
the morning so I apologize for the rambble, but that was what I was trying to 
get to there. This was in response to what Fred I believe was asking as to why 
or how blind people could use or benefit from the iPad and how it would be able 
to fit into what a person would use one for versus say an iPhone or iPod, so 
that was all I was trying to do. Take care. 
On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Aman Singer wrote:

> Hello, Timothy.
> I would respectfully disagree that any of the things you note below
> have to do with the iPad except for container movement. All the rest
> are due to companies not properly putting accessibility into their
> applications. If SXM properly made their products accessible, there
> wouldn't be an issue in navigation, and if Apple allowed iBooks to
> have pages turned by the scrolling of a braille display, the largeness
> of the pages wouldn't matter. Personally, I like typing on the iPad
> and actually like the size/shape of the product for certain functions,
> and it can definitely be used by blind people, but the things you
> specifically mention are problems in access on the iDevices, not
> advantages of the iPad.
> Aman
> 
> 
> On 3/27/13, Timothy Emmons  wrote:
>> I'm going to chime in here, and I am also going to forward this on to some
>> folks, for a few reasons. The biggest of couse is, that yes blind people can
>> use an iPad and it does have a place and it goes beyond the dexterity issues
>> you mentioned in your message. It may be a little bigger than an iPhone
>> especially if you don't have an iPad mini but along with the extra real
>> estate as it were, some apps give you more features and ways to interact on
>> a bigger screen and the app developers make some of their apps take
>> advantage of that size. Voiceover works a little differently on the iPad
>> than it does on the phone, the basics are the same but some of the
>> interaction is different in double tapping, holding, swiping, you have more
>> room to do b igger gestures a four finger swipe for instance to bring up the
>> app switcher, moving through emails and texts by container instead of just
>> headings which moves you from section to section, etc. I could go on and on,
>> but those are just a few ideas and things but an example of an app that
>> works so much differently and better on the iPad, is of course the sirius Xm
>> app. This app, on the phone is workable but a little different. On the iPad
>> all your channel information is displayed, you can move through the channels
>> without searching for certain areas on the screen, and you can get to things
>> more quickly than on the phone. iBooks read differently than on the phone
>> your pages are bigger. If you use a braille display this makes a difference
>> because you're not having to advance page by page as quickly. I hope this
>> helps and hope this might clear some thigns up but the iPad does work for
>> blind people, can be used for pleasure as well as business and depending on
>> the need can fit righ in with some of the best accessibility out there. I am
>> a regional librarian for the Blind here in Alabama, and work with the
>> braille collection as well as the technology and alternative reading methods
>> and I teach classes, and give instruction on the iPad a lot and can tell you
>> it makes a difference in those that use it, for some they would rather have
>> it than the iPhone or the iPod. I hope this helps and if you have any
>> comments let me know. Thanks and take care.
>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Fred Olver wrote:
>> 
>>> I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two
>>> further in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why
>>> a person who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the
>>> dexterity considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one
>>> is visually impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.
>>> 
>>> Fred Olver
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Avnish Chopra
>>> To: ViPhone
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
>>> Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>>> 
>>> The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>>> Ubergizmo
>>> 
>>> The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
>>> Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
>>> does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as
>>> well as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
>>> impaired folks too, are able to take

Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Aman Singer

Hello, Timothy.
I would respectfully disagree that any of the things you note below
have to do with the iPad except for container movement. All the rest
are due to companies not properly putting accessibility into their
applications. If SXM properly made their products accessible, there
wouldn't be an issue in navigation, and if Apple allowed iBooks to
have pages turned by the scrolling of a braille display, the largeness
of the pages wouldn't matter. Personally, I like typing on the iPad
and actually like the size/shape of the product for certain functions,
and it can definitely be used by blind people, but the things you
specifically mention are problems in access on the iDevices, not
advantages of the iPad.
Aman


On 3/27/13, Timothy Emmons  wrote:
> I'm going to chime in here, and I am also going to forward this on to some
> folks, for a few reasons. The biggest of couse is, that yes blind people can
> use an iPad and it does have a place and it goes beyond the dexterity issues
> you mentioned in your message. It may be a little bigger than an iPhone
> especially if you don't have an iPad mini but along with the extra real
> estate as it were, some apps give you more features and ways to interact on
> a bigger screen and the app developers make some of their apps take
> advantage of that size. Voiceover works a little differently on the iPad
> than it does on the phone, the basics are the same but some of the
> interaction is different in double tapping, holding, swiping, you have more
> room to do b igger gestures a four finger swipe for instance to bring up the
> app switcher, moving through emails and texts by container instead of just
> headings which moves you from section to section, etc. I could go on and on,
> but those are just a few ideas and things but an example of an app that
> works so much differently and better on the iPad, is of course the sirius Xm
> app. This app, on the phone is workable but a little different. On the iPad
> all your channel information is displayed, you can move through the channels
> without searching for certain areas on the screen, and you can get to things
> more quickly than on the phone. iBooks read differently than on the phone
> your pages are bigger. If you use a braille display this makes a difference
> because you're not having to advance page by page as quickly. I hope this
> helps and hope this might clear some thigns up but the iPad does work for
> blind people, can be used for pleasure as well as business and depending on
> the need can fit righ in with some of the best accessibility out there. I am
> a regional librarian for the Blind here in Alabama, and work with the
> braille collection as well as the technology and alternative reading methods
> and I teach classes, and give instruction on the iPad a lot and can tell you
> it makes a difference in those that use it, for some they would rather have
> it than the iPhone or the iPod. I hope this helps and if you have any
> comments let me know. Thanks and take care.
> On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Fred Olver wrote:
>
>> I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two
>> further in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why
>> a person who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the
>> dexterity considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one
>> is visually impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Avnish Chopra
>> To: ViPhone
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
>> Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>>
>> The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>> Ubergizmo
>>
>> The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
>> Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
>> does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as
>> well as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
>> impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet
>> device.
>>
>> As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from
>> the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct
>> teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the
>> visually impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see
>> barriers being broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I
>> wonder whether similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so
>> that those who want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel
>> left out of the equation.
>>
>> By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad
>> mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store
>> Descriptions,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Article:
>> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/
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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Fred Olver

Tim, Thanks for your comments they are just what I am looking for. Information 
on ways that iPads can be used which are different than the iPhone. 

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: Timothy Emmons 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:43 AM
  Subject: Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

  I'm going to chime in here, and I am also going to forward this on to some 
folks, for a few reasons. The biggest of couse is, that yes blind people can 
use an iPad and it does have a place and it goes beyond the dexterity issues 
you mentioned in your message. It may be a little bigger than an iPhone 
especially if you don't have an iPad mini but along with the extra real estate 
as it were, some apps give you more features and ways to interact on a bigger 
screen and the app developers make some of their apps take advantage of that 
size. Voiceover works a little differently on the iPad than it does on the 
phone, the basics are the same but some of the interaction is different in 
double tapping, holding, swiping, you have more room to do b igger gestures a 
four finger swipe for instance to bring up the app switcher, moving through 
emails and texts by container instead of just headings which moves you from 
section to section, etc. I could go on and on, but those are just a few ideas 
and things but an example of an app that works so much differently and better 
on the iPad, is of course the sirius Xm app. This app, on the phone is workable 
but a little different. On the iPad all your channel information is displayed, 
you can move through the channels without searching for certain areas on the 
screen, and you can get to things more quickly than on the phone. iBooks read 
differently than on the phone your pages are bigger. If you use a braille 
display this makes a difference because you're not having to advance page by 
page as quickly. I hope this helps and hope this might clear some thigns up but 
the iPad does work for blind people, can be used for pleasure as well as 
business and depending on the need can fit righ in with some of the best 
accessibility out there. I am a regional librarian for the Blind here in 
Alabama, and work with the braille collection as well as the technology and 
alternative reading methods and I teach classes, and give instruction on the 
iPad a lot and can tell you it makes a difference in those that use it, for 
some they would rather have it than the iPhone or the iPod. I hope this helps 
and if you have any comments let me know. Thanks and take care. 

  On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Fred Olver wrote:

I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two 
further in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a 
person who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity 
considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually 
impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message -
  From: Avnish Chopra
  To: ViPhone
  Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
  Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

  The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

  Ubergizmo

  The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at 
Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this does 
not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well as the 
right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually impaired folks 
too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet device.

  As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman 
from the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct 
teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually 
impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being 
broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether 
similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who want 
to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the equation.

  By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad 
mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store Descriptions, 

  Original Article: 
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/
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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Aman Singer

Hi.
Typing on the iPad is a good deal easier than on the smaller devices,
at least in my experience. Also, there is an argument to be made that
the iPad is easier for teachers to work with when teaching some
concept or other than the smaller screen of the iPhone. Other than
that, for the totally blind user, I see no significant advantage. I
also think there are disadvantages, the iPad is larger, a bit more of
a battery hog, etc. I had to make a choice between the iPad, iPad
mini, and iPod, and chose the latter for size and battery reasons.
With a 3G router, it doesn't matter whether the unit has access to the
cellular network or not, in my view.
Aman

On 3/27/13, Fred Olver  wrote:
> I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two further
> in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a person
> who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity
> considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually
> impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.
>
> Fred Olver
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Avnish Chopra
>   To: ViPhone
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
>   Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>
>
>   The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
>
>   Ubergizmo
>
>
>   The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
> Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
> does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well
> as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
> impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet
> device.
>
>   As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from
> the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct
> teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually
> impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being
> broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether
> similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who
> want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the
> equation.
>
>   By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad
> mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store
> Descriptions,
>
>
>
>
>
>   Original Article:
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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Timothy Emmons

I'm going to chime in here, and I am also going to forward this on to some 
folks, for a few reasons. The biggest of couse is, that yes blind people can 
use an iPad and it does have a place and it goes beyond the dexterity issues 
you mentioned in your message. It may be a little bigger than an iPhone 
especially if you don't have an iPad mini but along with the extra real estate 
as it were, some apps give you more features and ways to interact on a bigger 
screen and the app developers make some of their apps take advantage of that 
size. Voiceover works a little differently on the iPad than it does on the 
phone, the basics are the same but some of the interaction is different in 
double tapping, holding, swiping, you have more room to do b igger gestures a 
four finger swipe for instance to bring up the app switcher, moving through 
emails and texts by container instead of just headings which moves you from 
section to section, etc. I could go on and on, but those are just a few ideas 
and things but an example of an app that works so much differently and better 
on the iPad, is of course the sirius Xm app. This app, on the phone is workable 
but a little different. On the iPad all your channel information is displayed, 
you can move through the channels without searching for certain areas on the 
screen, and you can get to things more quickly than on the phone. iBooks read 
differently than on the phone your pages are bigger. If you use a braille 
display this makes a difference because you're not having to advance page by 
page as quickly. I hope this helps and hope this might clear some thigns up but 
the iPad does work for blind people, can be used for pleasure as well as 
business and depending on the need can fit righ in with some of the best 
accessibility out there. I am a regional librarian for the Blind here in 
Alabama, and work with the braille collection as well as the technology and 
alternative reading methods and I teach classes, and give instruction on the 
iPad a lot and can tell you it makes a difference in those that use it, for 
some they would rather have it than the iPhone or the iPod. I hope this helps 
and if you have any comments let me know. Thanks and take care. 
On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Fred Olver wrote:

> I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two further 
> in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a person 
> who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity 
> considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually 
> impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.
>  
> Fred Olver
> - Original Message -
> From: Avnish Chopra
> To: ViPhone
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
> Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
> 
> The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
> Ubergizmo
> 
> The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at Apple 
> with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this does not 
> mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well as the 
> right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually impaired folks 
> too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet device.
> 
> As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from 
> the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct 
> teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually 
> impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being 
> broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether 
> similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who 
> want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the 
> equation.
> 
> By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad 
> mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store Descriptions, 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/
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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Lisa belville

I think the larger size of the iPad would be a hindrance.  I'm fairly good 
at grasping spatial layouts, but even on the small screen of the iPhone, I 
still can't reliably tap the icon I want and I'm still not even close to 
accurate when it comes to using the on screen keyboard.  I can hear where I 
am and adjust my finger accordingly, but it's still not as smooth as I'd 
like it.  I think having a larger area to navigate would make this process a 
bit harder because there's more space to cover.


I'd still like to check out an iPad, though.

Lisa


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- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Olver" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too


I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two further 
in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a person 
who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity 
considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually 
impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.


Fred Olver
 - Original Message - 
 From: Avnish Chopra

 To: ViPhone
 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
 Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too


 The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

 Ubergizmo


 The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at 
Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this 
does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well 
as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually 
impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet 
device.


 As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from 
the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct 
teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually 
impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being 
broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether 
similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who 
want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the 
equation.


 By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad 
mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store 
Descriptions,






 Original Article: 
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/

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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread Fred Olver

I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two further in 
your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a person who is 
blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity considerations I 
don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually impaired thusly the 
letters and icons would be larger.

Fred Olver
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  From: Avnish Chopra 
  To: ViPhone 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
  Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

  The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

  Ubergizmo

  The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at Apple 
with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this does not 
mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well as the 
right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually impaired folks 
too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet device. 

  As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from 
the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct 
teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually 
impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being 
broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether 
similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who want 
to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the equation.

  By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad 
mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store Descriptions, 

  Original Article: 
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/
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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

2013-03-27 Thread RobH!

Interesting,   but think you are preaching to the converted a bit as most 
here are blind, use iPad/pod/phones and some also teach the devices to ther 
blind.

Thanks  though, Rh.
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From: "Avnish Chopra" 
To: "ViPhone" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:53 AM
Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
Ubergizmo

The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as
well as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet
device.

As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from
the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct
teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the
visually impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see
barriers being broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I
wonder whether similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so
that those who want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel
left out of the equation.
By Ubergizmo . *Related articles*: Logitech
Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad
mini,
Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store
Descriptions,

Original Article:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/03/the-blind-have-use-for-an-ipad-too/

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