Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
I'm getting much more Siri problems where I'm told something like connect to the internet or I can't do that now when I'm trying to send a text message. This is in the last month particularly. It's not a dealbreaker, but it is more than a nuisance. - Original Message - From: Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From:
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
you are correct On 6/30/2014 1:20 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote: I believe Siri first appeared on the 4s but please don't shoot me if I'm wrong. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I'm assuming that Alex will be available on the ipad Air and mini with retina display, as those have the a7 chip. Was this not a similar situation to Siri's introduction: i.e. Siri was introduced with an iOS upgrade, but only for iPhone 5? Teresa Twinkle, twinkle, little bat How I wonder what you're at --Lewis Carroll On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:36 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the
RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather,
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Well let's hope this is the case. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 08:02, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
I'm assuming that Alex will be available on the ipad Air and mini with retina display, as those have the a7 chip. Was this not a similar situation to Siri's introduction: i.e. Siri was introduced with an iOS upgrade, but only for iPhone 5? Teresa Twinkle, twinkle, little bat How I wonder what you're at --Lewis Carroll On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:36 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the
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Subject changed to reflect thread. Obviously we cannot confirm nor deny anything but we can speculate that this particular feature will be available on devices with an A7 chip. Also Teresa may I correct you and say Siri was introduced as an iOS upgrade but only on the new iPhone 4s. The 5 wasn't even around then. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 12:53, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm assuming that Alex will be available on the ipad Air and mini with retina display, as those have the a7 chip. Was this not a similar situation to Siri's introduction: i.e. Siri was introduced with an iOS upgrade, but only for iPhone 5? Teresa Twinkle, twinkle, little bat How I wonder what you're at --Lewis Carroll -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Joseph, You demonstrate an excellent grasp of statistics. I am impressed. When the time comes, I will outsource the statistical number-crunching for my research. That said, when conducting professional research at the masters and PhD levels, it is imperative that the researcher read any and all relative / pertinent information presented. If not, one's research will most likely fall apart when a PhD reviewer asks for specific information based on such information. It can, and usually does, happen on a regular basis. And, explaining why statistically it is probably unnecessary to check, so one does not have said information, will cause one to fail the final oral defence arguments. Now, if you read the information, and then you explain why it is irrelevant using coherent and cogent counters / rebuttals, that is the purpose of good, strong research. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 17:44, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, no need to get nasty. This has so far been a civilized discussion until you came along with the post below. I don't have to read your article because I already know what I know. You too may also benefit from studying even a little stats and probability. You're also making the very same mistake many listers make which takes a good discussion and runs it off the rails. You have lost track of my point, The potential is there for the 64bit architecture, but like Windows computers, you will not see what has been speculated to possibly happen. When people buy lottery tickets, they are told that the $1 purchase holds the probability to deliver millions, but it only holds for a single person. Again, potential and reality are very different. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Did you read the article I sent? The potential is there, and a simple re-compile of processor-heavy apps took advantage of that potential. If you want blind-specific examples, what about the power of the audio processing? Or the 5S camera, which relies on the 64-bit processor to do advanced, real-time photo processing? That's directly tied to OCR and object detection. What about the heat output and power input improvements, which affect everyone? Disagree if you want, but at least do the research first. On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:11 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said, the potential is there, it's just that the 64bit architecture is not commonly used to it's peak performance--especially for blind computer users. Joseph - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I
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Siri has always only been available on the 4S or higher, so there is precedence. Apple will only allow features on devices where said features will run properly. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 23:53, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: I'm assuming that Alex will be available on the ipad Air and mini with retina display, as those have the a7 chip. Was this not a similar situation to Siri's introduction: i.e. Siri was introduced with an iOS upgrade, but only for iPhone 5? Teresa Twinkle, twinkle, little bat How I wonder what you're at --Lewis Carroll On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:36 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well.
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I have several droids, battery life works fine, granted, I switch off the lte to get a longer battery life, since I don't download huge files over my data connection. In the United States, nearby explorer is the best GPS app for android, works as well as blindsquare and the seeing eye app, and in some ways, better I think. On Verizon, you could check out the galaxy s 5, several users are really happy with it. The good thing is, we have choice, both platforms are very accessible. Original message: As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I'm the same way, I use IOS and Android, I like them both for different reasons. Original message: Hello Eric, I am sorry you are so unhappy with your iPhone 5 since updating to iOS 7.1. I know what it is like to have a phone running perfectly only to have things seemingly get messed up after an update. I have been following this thread and almost everything I was going to say has been said so well by others. However, I would like to add the following: 1. Always both manually close and restart your phone after using any GPS tracking application such as the maps apps. Today, I had to use A T T Navigator 3 separate times for 30 minutes each. After each trip, even though the turn-by-turn navigation automatically ended the trip upon my arrival, I manually closed the app and rebooted the phone after each use. Granted, I am using an iPhone 5 S but the reduction in my battery level upon my return home after over eight hours out was minimal--even I was surprised. I always manually close and reboot after launching any GPS app such as Google Maps even if I don't actually initiate turn-by-turn navigation. 2. I have an Android phone and I love it. While I would not necessarily recommend that anyone either switch to or from Android or iOS, as a general rule, I don't like putting all of my proverbial eggs in one basket. This is why I maintain a pay-as-you go cell account using Android; so I can stay up-to-date on all the latest blind and low vision accessibility options in that arena. While I would hate to lose the use of my iPhone, were something to go wrong with it, I would have no problem immediately switching to my Android phone running Google's TalkBack screen reader. If you have any interest or curiosity about Android, I suggest that you consider purchasing a low-end Android device, perhaps a phone, and get a pay-as-you-go SIM card and jump in. Eric, in my world, there is no such thing as either Windows or Mac, Android or iOS, Jaws or VoiceOver, this or that. There is room enough for everyone and everything if one only has the desire to learn and the finances to get started. Good luck and hang in there, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
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I personally am not seeing much difference in battery drain between my iPhone 4, my 5s and my iPad air.. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I wonder the same regarding the battery. I might only have a 4s but can get away with two or three days with average usage. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 22:08, Alex Hall wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs
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I was going to say much the same thing. With the 5s and the iPad Air both being 64 bit, so far the most I can say about it is so what. I have suspected though that Apple has bigger plans for it. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running
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I believe Siri first appeared on the 4s but please don't shoot me if I'm wrong. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I'm assuming that Alex will be available on the ipad Air and mini with retina display, as those have the a7 chip. Was this not a similar situation to Siri's introduction: i.e. Siri was introduced with an iOS upgrade, but only for iPhone 5? Teresa Twinkle, twinkle, little bat How I wonder what you're at --Lewis Carroll On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:36 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher
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I can say about the 64 bit architecture that watching TV shows and movies on the iPad Air is no different then watching them on an HD TV or this is what my fully sighted wife tells me. I suppose that's good to know more or less but I would of personally been more excited if the air had stereo speakers instead of the ubiquitous mono speaker. Granted, just use the head phone jack and a set of stereo speakers but then kiss goodbye on the go stereo. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8
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Golly, then I'm glad that I bought the 64 GB model of the 5s. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 4:36 AM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Unfortunately, it is not only likely, it appears to be the case. I listened to two podcasts demoing accessibility features in iOS 8. Alex is only available on the 5S, and it takes up 809 MB of storage. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 19:02, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: If Alex was only possible on devices with the 64 Bit processor this would mean that the iPhone 4S and 5 which don't have the A7 chip would not get the Alex voice. While this is possible I somehow don't think it likely. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I was going to speculate that we may start seeing 64 bit only features in iOS 8 such as the Alex voice. Just speculation. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 03:10, Alex Hall wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't
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I assume the 64 bit is why Downcast runs so much smoother for me on my 5S than 4S. I have a lot of subscriptions and Downcast on the 4S would crash a lot on the 5S I have never had a problem with Downcast crashing or freezing I am no computer expert but I assume the 64 bit chip is the reason for this. On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I can say about the 64 bit architecture that watching TV shows and movies on the iPad Air is no different then watching them on an HD TV or this is what my fully sighted wife tells me. I suppose that's good to know more or less but I would of personally been more excited if the air had stereo speakers instead of the ubiquitous mono speaker. Granted, just use the head phone jack and a set of stereo speakers but then kiss goodbye on the go stereo. Regards, Alan I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this
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I suppose whether 64-bit architecture revolutionized software on PC's or not is subjective, but I would claim it has. First, you can't separate the hardware from the software but need to think of it as a 64-bit system. BTW, the I3 and I5 processors are 64-bit chips. Allowing the operating system to go beyond the 4G memory limit is a big deal, especially for anyone using a memory hungry screen reader using an off screen model. Anyone using JAWS will tell you that you get a better experience using more than 4G of memory, and this goes for your common computer user as well as your power user. Anyone using virtualization technology like VMware will also tell you that the more memory the better. Granted, your common user may not be using a virtual machine but this is an inexpensive way to try out multiple operating systems and get the most out of accessibility by taking advantage of each operating system and it's accessibility strengths. The ability to access large data sets, such as large Excel files is important to some people. I work in the health industry, and we're constantly pushing the limits of 64-bit Office. I know my son is seeing the same thing in the insurance industry. This will be true in more and more professions as data mining and big data become the norm. It may not be that big a deal to the casual home user though. Other every day tasks, like converting media files from one format to another, compressing or uncompressing data files and so on benefit from 64-bit processing. As others have mentioned, 64-bit processing allows for faster processing in general and the more efficient use of resources. This contributes to the overall experience of using a computer, but it may be hard to pin point in a specific application. I will agree that in general people have a glut of computing power, memory and storage, which is why netbooks were popular briefly and why tablets can fill that content consumption need for many people. Anyone who's run a netbook along side of a low end 64-bit multi-core laptop will tell you they can notice the difference though. Also, you don't need to be running your system at full throttle all of the time to take advantage of a 64-bit multi-core system when you need it. You mention that 64-bit hasn't been widely adopted, but most of your PC's running 32-bit Windows XP had 64-bit chips and Windows Vista and beyond is almost exclusively sold as a 64-bit operating system. The same will happen in the mobile space. 64-bit ARM and Intel chips will find their way into smart phones and tablets and over time, the operating systems and applications will take advantage of that architecture. Maybe it isn't revolutionary, but it's at least evolutionary. BTW, I think I could hold my own with statistics, but I would claim that any argument requiring anyone to have studied statistics probably isn't needed or appropriate for a general use list like this. On 06/30/2014 12:28 AM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: I stated from the beginning that the potential is there, its just that the common computer user has no need for the advanced computing power currently available. Heck, most computer users whether blind or not can do just fine with an I5 or I3 processor, and don't have the need for 64bit processor and even less with current multi-core able software. In other words, you can buy a Ferrari, but just how do you intend to get full performance and your money's worth out of this sport scar if you live in an environment like Manhattan. Regarding your example, I'm absolutely certain this same work was done just fine back some 10 years ago way before multicore processors and 64bit hardware, it just took longer. You are of course also citing examples at the extreme of the normal curve who would indeed benefit from such computing power, but most users are within 2 standard deviations and will do just fine with the less performing computers I mentioned. If you have not studied research methods or even introductory stats please let me know now as we're not going to get anywhere in this discussion or any other regarding probability, sampling, etc. Sorry. Joseph - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:07 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Joseph, There are multiple examples. My nieces husband is an environmental consultant. He just purchased a $40,000 drone to do surveys for oil companies and so on. The software he uses which processes the huge amounts of data collected by the drone runs for hours even on a top-of-the line computer with I7 processor and 32 Gb of RAM. Without 64 bit architecture this would probably be not even possible. Also, if you work on very large Excel files (over 2 Gb in size) you can only do this with the 64 Bit version of Office. As I said in my previous email, these are often not applications the
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Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
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I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are
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I wonder the same regarding the battery. I might only have a 4s but can get away with two or three days with average usage. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 22:08, Alex Hall wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the
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I'm interested with any bugs you find on iOS 7. I have nothing show stopping to report here. All software including Android will have bugs; what's the point releasing updates otherwise. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 21:58, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/.
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From Ars Technica's review which I have linked to below, it's pretty clear that the iPhone 5's battery life with IOS 7 is horrible and this is most definitely Apple's fault. This is very disappointing and makes it seem like the powers that be want you to buy the 5S to get good performance with IOS 7. With that said, I really do not want to switch, if for no other reason than that I don't want to learn a whole new screen-reader, along with a new OS and apps. I know that Android is quite fragmented meaning you often can't use a new version of the OS when it is released. You're also subject to malware and probably can't set up a phone or tablet without sighted assistance, so I'm quite skeptical. I highly doubt I will switch but Apple should do better in the quality control department. People said the same when the Apple Maps came out and when iTunes 11 was released but I didn't have issues with those. But now I'm beginning to think that the crowd that said Apple was irrelevant without Jobs may be correct. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/ On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1,
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IOS is better than an android IMO. Android has more problems to deal with. Regards, Feliciano Twitter: @Theblindman12v www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Eric, smartphone battery life in general needs improvement, there's no doubt about that. However, GPS as well as using your phone in low signal areas are very aggressive on any phone battery. If you go to www.apple.com and read the material Apple has posted regarding iOS 8 and watch the keynote, it's pretty clear iPhones are far from becoming irrelevant. My suggestion would be to purchase a charger for any place or situation where you are indoors for a long period of time, such as your office. This will take care of large battery drainage due to the low coverage area. The other solution is simply to put your iPhone into airplane mode in such an area, though I realize that's hardly practical--but if you did this, you could always forward your calls to a landline in your office, and use Wi-Fi to receive most other notifications. Also, which GPS apps are you using? Seeing Eye GPS is quite a bit more aggressive on your phone's battery than BlindSquare, in my opinion. Also, I'd suggest opening the settings app and going to general, then Background App Refresh. This is a list of apps that have permission to update in the background (even when you aren't using them). You should turn off any that you don't need updated. Grant -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: June 29, 2014 2:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid From Ars Technica's review which I have linked to below, it's pretty clear that the iPhone 5's battery life with IOS 7 is horrible and this is most definitely Apple's fault. This is very disappointing and makes it seem like the powers that be want you to buy the 5S to get good performance with IOS 7. With that said, I really do not want to switch, if for no other reason than that I don't want to learn a whole new screen-reader, along with a new OS and apps. I know that Android is quite fragmented meaning you often can't use a new version of the OS when it is released. You're also subject to malware and probably can't set up a phone or tablet without sighted assistance, so I'm quite skeptical. I highly doubt I will switch but Apple should do better in the quality control department. People said the same when the Apple Maps came out and when iTunes 11 was released but I didn't have issues with those. But now I'm beginning to think that the crowd that said Apple was irrelevant without Jobs may be correct. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/ On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a
RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Hi Alex, I'm curious; have you ever gone to http://selfsolve.apple.com and ran diagnostics on your own? Since Apple told you that you have a battery issue, I'm curious what the website would display to you (as an end user). Grant From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Also, with iOS 7, a dictation bug was introduced, wherein the Mike does not shut off unless you activate Siri and then press the home button to stop Siri from listening. This could very well be affecting your battery life. Also, do you remove apps that use GPS from the App Switcher after you've gotten to where you need to go? Leaving GPS running in the background will seriously decrease your battery life. I'm just wondering, as you mentioned GPS in your first post. Thanks, Ari On Jun 29, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: From Ars Technica's review which I have linked to below, it's pretty clear that the iPhone 5's battery life with IOS 7 is horrible and this is most definitely Apple's fault. This is very disappointing and makes it seem like the powers that be want you to buy the 5S to get good performance with IOS 7. With that said, I really do not want to switch, if for no other reason than that I don't want to learn a whole new screen-reader, along with a new OS and apps. I know that Android is quite fragmented meaning you often can't use a new version of the OS when it is released. You're also subject to malware and probably can't set up a phone or tablet without sighted assistance, so I'm quite skeptical. I highly doubt I will switch but Apple should do better in the quality control department. People said the same when the Apple Maps came out and when iTunes 11 was released but I didn't have issues with those. But now I'm beginning to think that the crowd that said Apple was irrelevant without Jobs may be correct. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/ On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone
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How does a person tell if the mic was left on? Does it stay going then even if the phone locks? - Original Message - From: Gmail englishride...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Also, with iOS 7, a dictation bug was introduced, wherein the Mike does not shut off unless you activate Siri and then press the home button to stop Siri from listening. This could very well be affecting your battery life. Also, do you remove apps that use GPS from the App Switcher after you've gotten to where you need to go? Leaving GPS running in the background will seriously decrease your battery life. I'm just wondering, as you mentioned GPS in your first post. Thanks, Ari On Jun 29, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: From Ars Technica's review which I have linked to below, it's pretty clear that the iPhone 5's battery life with IOS 7 is horrible and this is most definitely Apple's fault. This is very disappointing and makes it seem like the powers that be want you to buy the 5S to get good performance with IOS 7. With that said, I really do not want to switch, if for no other reason than that I don't want to learn a whole new screen-reader, along with a new OS and apps. I know that Android is quite fragmented meaning you often can't use a new version of the OS when it is released. You're also subject to malware and probably can't set up a phone or tablet without sighted assistance, so I'm quite skeptical. I highly doubt I will switch but Apple should do better in the quality control department. People said the same when the Apple Maps came out and when iTunes 11 was released but I didn't have issues with those. But now I'm beginning to think that the crowd that said Apple was irrelevant without Jobs may be correct. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/ On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
If you use bluetooth headphones, or at least the Aftershokz, the sound quality remans very low while the microphone is active. The only other way to tell is if Siri's volume is way different from normal volume, since while the mic is open, Siri's volume setting is used. I find that doing a two-finger double tap to start some media, or playing some directly, fixes the problem (of course, don't do the magic tap if you are still editing as that will start dictation again). On Jun 29, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote: How does a person tell if the mic was left on? Does it stay going then even if the phone locks? - Original Message - From: Gmail englishride...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Also, with iOS 7, a dictation bug was introduced, wherein the Mike does not shut off unless you activate Siri and then press the home button to stop Siri from listening. This could very well be affecting your battery life. Also, do you remove apps that use GPS from the App Switcher after you've gotten to where you need to go? Leaving GPS running in the background will seriously decrease your battery life. I'm just wondering, as you mentioned GPS in your first post. Thanks, Ari On Jun 29, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: From Ars Technica's review which I have linked to below, it's pretty clear that the iPhone 5's battery life with IOS 7 is horrible and this is most definitely Apple's fault. This is very disappointing and makes it seem like the powers that be want you to buy the 5S to get good performance with IOS 7. With that said, I really do not want to switch, if for no other reason than that I don't want to learn a whole new screen-reader, along with a new OS and apps. I know that Android is quite fragmented meaning you often can't use a new version of the OS when it is released. You're also subject to malware and probably can't set up a phone or tablet without sighted assistance, so I'm quite skeptical. I highly doubt I will switch but Apple should do better in the quality control department. People said the same when the Apple Maps came out and when iTunes 11 was released but I didn't have issues with those. But now I'm beginning to think that the crowd that said Apple was irrelevant without Jobs may be correct. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/ On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience;
RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a
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Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you got your iPhone 5 when it was released that the battery is now one and a half years old and any rechargeable battery degrades with time. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and of course the fact that you are having issues with Facebook is not Apple's fault. As for dictation, I don't encounter the problems you have with SIRI putting in the word comma when I want it to put in the punctuation. According to what they said in the keynote dictation in iOS 8 will be much more responsive and while there are some Android fanboys on this list, I would highly recommend that you find a way to try Android before you commit to a high-end Android phone on a 2-year contract. I can't diagnose your battery issue, but having poor cell coverage definitely will suck battery as the phone constantly tries to connect and communicate with the towers.My nephew works in a very remote rural area in northern British Columbia and his is the same experience; however, if he is in town with a good signal his battery is just fine. Then you also have to keep in mind that if you
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Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those issues for an even bigger set with Android. On Jun 29, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Eric, I doubt a top of the line Android phone will give you better battery life. I also would be interested to know what all these bugs in iOS 7 are and
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If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that there is a hardware fault in my battery somewhere which is causing problems with fast draining. As was said, the battery is now one and a half years old and I use it constantly, so I'm not too surprised. I, too, would take a long and hard look at Android before switching. Maybe rent a tablet for a couple weeks, or see what your carrier's return policy is. Facebook is not Apple's fault at all, and I'd be interested to see how the same app performs on Android. also, remember that the iPhone6 will very probably have a larger screen, which means a larger battery. Many Android devices can offer longer battery lives simply because they are already bigger than the iPhone and so can sport more raw power to use. Finally, if battery drain is all in iOS, then who's to say iOS8 won't make a huge jump in battery? Obviously, the choice is yours. The bottom line is that Android is very different and has its own set of challenges, bugs, and shortcomings you need to know about before you start relying on it full time. No company is perfect, and of course you know what Apple's problems are. Just be sure you aren't trading those
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Hello Eric, I am sorry you are so unhappy with your iPhone 5 since updating to iOS 7.1. I know what it is like to have a phone running perfectly only to have things seemingly get messed up after an update. I have been following this thread and almost everything I was going to say has been said so well by others. However, I would like to add the following: 1. Always both manually close and restart your phone after using any GPS tracking application such as the maps apps. Today, I had to use A T T Navigator 3 separate times for 30 minutes each. After each trip, even though the turn-by-turn navigation automatically ended the trip upon my arrival, I manually closed the app and rebooted the phone after each use. Granted, I am using an iPhone 5 S but the reduction in my battery level upon my return home after over eight hours out was minimal--even I was surprised. I always manually close and reboot after launching any GPS app such as Google Maps even if I don't actually initiate turn-by-turn navigation. 2. I have an Android phone and I love it. While I would not necessarily recommend that anyone either switch to or from Android or iOS, as a general rule, I don't like putting all of my proverbial eggs in one basket. This is why I maintain a pay-as-you go cell account using Android; so I can stay up-to-date on all the latest blind and low vision accessibility options in that arena. While I would hate to lose the use of my iPhone, were something to go wrong with it, I would have no problem immediately switching to my Android phone running Google's TalkBack screen reader. If you have any interest or curiosity about Android, I suggest that you consider purchasing a low-end Android device, perhaps a phone, and get a pay-as-you-go SIM card and jump in. Eric, in my world, there is no such thing as either Windows or Mac, Android or iOS, Jaws or VoiceOver, this or that. There is room enough for everyone and everything if one only has the desire to learn and the finances to get started. Good luck and hang in there, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
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Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a better vehicle. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid I am having the same battery problems, also starting with iOS7. However, Apple ran a remote diagnostic on my phone when I called them, even though I didn't have Apple Care, and said that
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The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Mark, Your following suggestion is an incorrect and not a practical solution as you can close and unload an app from the app switcher to recover used memory. You're causing needless wear and tare on your device with the many reboots. Always both manually close and restart your phone after using any GPS tracking I don't know of a single person who uses GPS then has to run a full restart of their device. Can you imagine the complaints you would hear if a sighted person had to restart their device every time he or she used GPS to find a location? Joseph - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:57 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hello Eric, I am sorry you are so unhappy with your iPhone 5 since updating to iOS 7.1. I know what it is like to have a phone running perfectly only to have things seemingly get messed up after an update. I have been following this thread and almost everything I was going to say has been said so well by others. However, I would like to add the following: 1. Always both manually close and restart your phone after using any GPS tracking application such as the maps apps. Today, I had to use A T T Navigator 3 separate times for 30 minutes each. After each trip, even though the turn-by-turn navigation automatically ended the trip upon my arrival, I manually closed the app and rebooted the phone after each use. Granted, I am using an iPhone 5 S but the reduction in my battery level upon my return home after over eight hours out was minimal--even I was surprised. I always manually close and reboot after launching any GPS app such as Google Maps even if I don't actually initiate turn-by-turn navigation. 2. I have an Android phone and I love it. While I would not necessarily recommend that anyone either switch to or from Android or iOS, as a general rule, I don't like putting all of my proverbial eggs in one basket. This is why I maintain a pay-as-you go cell account using Android; so I can stay up-to-date on all the latest blind and low vision accessibility options in that arena. While I would hate to lose the use of my iPhone, were something to go wrong with it, I would have no problem immediately switching to my Android phone running Google's TalkBack screen reader. If you have any interest or curiosity about Android, I suggest that you consider purchasing a low-end Android device, perhaps a phone, and get a pay-as-you-go SIM card and jump in. Eric, in my world, there is no such thing as either Windows or Mac, Android or iOS, Jaws or VoiceOver, this or that. There is room enough for everyone and everything if one only has the desire to learn and the finances to get started. Good luck and hang in there, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance.
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The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just
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Hi Eric, If you are doing a 3-finger swipe and Voiceover announces the number of rows then you are simply not doing the gesture correctly as it apparently registers as a 3-finger single tap. The 3-finger single tap is the gesture for Speak page number or rows being displayed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you
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If you don't want automatic language switching all you have to do is to add US English to the language rotor and set the language rotor to that option rather than to Default Language. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com mailto:eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com mailto:chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com mailto:kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
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In my case, I have found that my touch on the display for the three-finger vertical flick is too brief, so the three-finger touch command is activated instead. The three-finger touch tells VO to report one's location - the exact response you describe. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 13:59, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local newspaper apps open in the task manager. Everything else is closed. I don't use my iPhone for navigation, audio streaming, reading, music listening to music or other activities on my way to work. Kelly On 6/29/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, exactly. Android is a good OS, and plenty of blind people make it work well for them, but switching just because your older phone is having battery problems makes little sense. Given all that iOS8 will bring, and given all the programming announcements at WWDC this year, and the advances the iPhone5S brought with it that everyone else is now copying (fingerprint authentication and 64-bit processors), I'm always amazed when people say Apple is declining,or not innovating, or in trouble. Wait for iOS8 and the iPhone6 and see if Android still looks like a better option. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex, You make a very good point about battery size in larger phones. Apple has been slow I adopting a larger screen size, but we all know that the iPhone 6 will come in at least something like a 4.7 inch and maybe also a 5.5 inch version. In the past Apple has been accused of not innovating any more, but of course sticking a larger screen on a phone can hardly be called innovation. Going bac to the issue of battery, the Galaxy S5 which has a 5.1 inch screen and is significantly larger than the iPhone 5S, has a 2800 MAH battery which is almost twice as big as that of the 5S. Yes, of course they get better battery life out of such a large battery and it's unfortunate that you will inevitably find articles comparing the iPhone 5S battery life with that of the Galaxy S5. Of course that would be like comparing 2 similar cars, one with a 20 Gallon tank and one with a 40 Gallon tank, of course you will be able to go further with the car that has a 40 Gallon tank, but being able to put more fuel in it doesn't necessarily make it a
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
It is simple to turn off automatic language switching. Go to settings, general, accessibility, VoiceOver, languages, and place a check in at least one other language. If using English, selecting another English language counts. Go to settings, general, accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor, and make sure language rotor is selected. On any screen, turn the rotor to language. Single-finger vertical flick until VO announces the name of the default language without stating default language. Now, VO will remain locked in one's language and speech will attempt to pronounce everything as the chosen language / voice. Note: any incompatible language symbology, such as Chinese or Japanese to English, will be skipped by the English voice, so one will not be aware that the incompatible symbology is even there. To reactivate automatic language switching, set language back to where VO announces default language followed by the language name. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:10, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell the story of the processor itself. You can have a cheap octa core (8 core) processor on an androy phone, but running on the speed of the dual processor. On 30/06/2014, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that if I force quit most of my apps on my iPhone 5, I still have 97 percent of battery power when I check my phone at about 1:00 p.m after leaving for work at 7:00. I leave the mail, weather, messages, find my iPhone and local
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Yeah, but I specified software. Also name the titles--surely you must have some. Like I said, there might be a few here and there--maybe in gaming, but overall nothing major. So, actually, yes, I'm right, the potential is there, but there has not been wide adoption. Joseph - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the problems can be resolve, or some phones, the problems can't be resolve. Also, although the look of numbers of processor available on an androy phone, doesn't always tell
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
That's crazy! Sent from my iPhone 5s! On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:57 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Eric, I am sorry you are so unhappy with your iPhone 5 since updating to iOS 7.1. I know what it is like to have a phone running perfectly only to have things seemingly get messed up after an update. I have been following this thread and almost everything I was going to say has been said so well by others. However, I would like to add the following: 1. Always both manually close and restart your phone after using any GPS tracking application such as the maps apps. Today, I had to use A T T Navigator 3 separate times for 30 minutes each. After each trip, even though the turn-by-turn navigation automatically ended the trip upon my arrival, I manually closed the app and rebooted the phone after each use. Granted, I am using an iPhone 5 S but the reduction in my battery level upon my return home after over eight hours out was minimal--even I was surprised. I always manually close and reboot after launching any GPS app such as Google Maps even if I don't actually initiate turn-by-turn navigation. 2. I have an Android phone and I love it. While I would not necessarily recommend that anyone either switch to or from Android or iOS, as a general rule, I don't like putting all of my proverbial eggs in one basket. This is why I maintain a pay-as-you go cell account using Android; so I can stay up-to-date on all the latest blind and low vision accessibility options in that arena. While I would hate to lose the use of my iPhone, were something to go wrong with it, I would have no problem immediately switching to my Android phone running Google's TalkBack screen reader. If you have any interest or curiosity about Android, I suggest that you consider purchasing a low-end Android device, perhaps a phone, and get a pay-as-you-go SIM card and jump in. Eric, in my world, there is no such thing as either Windows or Mac, Android or iOS, Jaws or VoiceOver, this or that. There is room enough for everyone and everything if one only has the desire to learn and the finances to get started. Good luck and hang in there, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid As someone who uses GPS and browses the web regularly, the battery life on my iPhone 5 with the latest IOS has become completely unacceptable. I have read MacWorld's guide to improving battery life and followed their suggestions, but I am still lucky to have over 30% charge after a trip to NYC. If I don't put the phone into airplane mode while at work or bring a charger to the office, I will have 20% or less by the time I leave. And i don't even use my phone at work. There's just poor cell coverage in my office, but this wasn't a problem until recent months. I think it's due to the walls, as I am on Verizon and have no issues when outside. If I stay with IOS, I will buy a juice pack when I upgrade to the iPhone 6 this fall. But there are so many bugs in the latest IOS that I wonder whether I might be better off on Android. The dictation feature seems to have gotten less smart since IOS 7.1, often typing the word comma when I want a comma punctuation indicator. There are so many bugs with Facebook and VO that I could easily spend five paragraphs detailing them. Also, I really don't think I should need to buy a juice pack, as I didn't have much of an issue with the battery life prior to IOS 7. These issues are the result of Apple rushing products out the door before they are ready, something that's been crippling the company ever since the IOS 6 Maps debacle. Had you asked me a year ago, I would've said I'll never switch to Droid, but now I'm not so sure. Does anyone on this list know what the situation is on Droid concerning GPS and accessibility? The last time I heard, good screen-reading software was available but I wasn't sure about GPS. I have heard that now Google's dictation functionality is in many ways smarter than Siri. Is battery life far superior on the top-of-the-line Droid phones as well? Thanks in advance. Eric -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For those that insist on switching to Androy OS, just make sure that you get the phones/tabs that comes with google Androy stock. Whith means, at this stage, either the nexus 4/5, nexus tabs, or the motorola motor E or motor G. Other than that, you will have some accessibility problems. Just the matter of either the
RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Joseph, There are multiple examples. My nieces husband is an environmental consultant. He just purchased a $40,000 drone to do surveys for oil companies and so on. The software he uses which processes the huge amounts of data collected by the drone runs for hours even on a top-of-the line computer with I7 processor and 32 Gb of RAM. Without 64 bit architecture this would probably be not even possible. Also, if you work on very large Excel files (over 2 Gb in size) you can only do this with the 64 Bit version of Office. As I said in my previous email, these are often not applications the average user has to be concerned about, but that doesn't mean the improvement is not there. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Yeah, but I specified software. Also name the titles--surely you must have some. Like I said, there might be a few here and there--maybe in gaming, but overall nothing major. So, actually, yes, I'm right, the potential is there, but there has not been wide adoption. Joseph - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go
Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid
Like I said, the potential is there, it's just that the 64bit architecture is not commonly used to it's peak performance--especially for blind computer users. Joseph - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, does the 64-bit processor offer much improvement that is noticeable from a user's perspective? As far as bugs go, scrolling seems to have become more erratic recently. When I swipe up with three fingers, sometimes it scrolls, but sometimes it just tells me what rows are being shown without scrolling. This can make it difficult to navigate large playlists, particularly in Spotify which I use more than the native music app at this point. Also, occasionally VO will randomly start speaking as though text were written in a different language. I used to think this was a Facebook bug, but it happened in Mail once last week while reading the subject of a message from Linked In. Jaws used to do this randomly on certain websites as well. For GPS I mainly use Seeing Eye at this point. I used to use Navigon and BlindSquare but prefer to have all functions in one app. I am looking forward to having Alex in IOS 8 though and am sure the voices on Droid screen-readers won't be as good. On 6/29/14, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If you're thinking about an Android option, go ahead and also consider the Samsung models. Samsung has made some nice accessibility additions to what's available on stock Android. You might want to check out some Android specific mailing lists first as well. You'll be getting the latest on Android. On 06/29/2014 08:24 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Also, anything that using tracking mode, doesn't matter it is a pedometor, weather app, social media, or any kind of gps apps will sucks up the phone battory like a hawk. For
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I stated from the beginning that the potential is there, its just that the common computer user has no need for the advanced computing power currently available. Heck, most computer users whether blind or not can do just fine with an I5 or I3 processor, and don't have the need for 64bit processor and even less with current multi-core able software. In other words, you can buy a Ferrari, but just how do you intend to get full performance and your money's worth out of this sport scar if you live in an environment like Manhattan. Regarding your example, I'm absolutely certain this same work was done just fine back some 10 years ago way before multicore processors and 64bit hardware, it just took longer. You are of course also citing examples at the extreme of the normal curve who would indeed benefit from such computing power, but most users are within 2 standard deviations and will do just fine with the less performing computers I mentioned. If you have not studied research methods or even introductory stats please let me know now as we're not going to get anywhere in this discussion or any other regarding probability, sampling, etc. Sorry. Joseph - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:07 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Joseph, There are multiple examples. My nieces husband is an environmental consultant. He just purchased a $40,000 drone to do surveys for oil companies and so on. The software he uses which processes the huge amounts of data collected by the drone runs for hours even on a top-of-the line computer with I7 processor and 32 Gb of RAM. Without 64 bit architecture this would probably be not even possible. Also, if you work on very large Excel files (over 2 Gb in size) you can only do this with the 64 Bit version of Office. As I said in my previous email, these are often not applications the average user has to be concerned about, but that doesn't mean the improvement is not there. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Yeah, but I specified software. Also name the titles--surely you must have some. Like I said, there might be a few here and there--maybe in gaming, but overall nothing major. So, actually, yes, I'm right, the potential is there, but there has not been wide adoption. Joseph - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is
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Firstly, no need to get nasty. This has so far been a civilized discussion until you came along with the post below. I don't have to read your article because I already know what I know. You too may also benefit from studying even a little stats and probability. You're also making the very same mistake many listers make which takes a good discussion and runs it off the rails. You have lost track of my point, The potential is there for the 64bit architecture, but like Windows computers, you will not see what has been speculated to possibly happen. When people buy lottery tickets, they are told that the $1 purchase holds the probability to deliver millions, but it only holds for a single person. Again, potential and reality are very different. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Did you read the article I sent? The potential is there, and a simple re-compile of processor-heavy apps took advantage of that potential. If you want blind-specific examples, what about the power of the audio processing? Or the 5S camera, which relies on the 64-bit processor to do advanced, real-time photo processing? That's directly tied to OCR and object detection. What about the heat output and power input improvements, which affect everyone? Disagree if you want, but at least do the research first. On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:11 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said, the potential is there, it's just that the 64bit architecture is not commonly used to it's peak performance--especially for blind computer users. Joseph - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Hi David, Correct, also 64 Bit architecture has removed the 3 Gb RAM limit, without it a PC with 8, 16 or 32 Gb of RAM would not be possible. Of course most average PC users don't notice this or benefit from it a lot and as a blind user high-end gaming, intense graphics oriented applications and so on are not typically used. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid Untrue, the 64 bit architecture has considerably increased responsiveness of high-end graphics rich and intense applications in computing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2014, at 14:27, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The 64bit architecture was also suppose to revolutionize software on Windows, but now years later, it never really did happen. Joseph - Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Tired of quality decline and considering switching to Droid The 64-bit arcetechture isn't noticeable right now, but it is what allows for advances and more powerful apps. For instance, it is how Apple's new graphics engine is able to be so amazing, and it is, as I understand it, what will let the Alex voice work correctly on iOS. As iOS8 comes out and gets updated, you will start to see more that the A7 (that is, 64-bit) processors and beyond can do which older devices cannot. Scrolling works for me; sometimes, if a finger doesn't move enough to register or if I accidentally have one finger too close to the edge and it doesn't register, then yes, the gesture fails. I consider it just an artifact of the way the input system works, though, and I'd challenge anyone, sighted or not, to find a touch interpretation system meant to be used all the time that always works perfectly. I briefly tried Android, and those crazy corner gestures were hard to get right, for instance. The language switching is iOS seeing another language and switching to it. Maybe an email subject or Facebook post is written in that language, or maybe it's English but came from a foreign computer that tagged the string as another language even though it isn't. Either way, it's iOS doing its best to present foreign languages in their proper voices, since it assumes that this is better than presenting everything in English and letting you try to figure out what an English pronunciation of a language you speak is trying to say. I'd love there to be a toggle somewhere to turn this off, since, as you said, it can get annoying if languages are improperly tagged or detected, but it's not a bug per se. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Eric Brinkman eric.brinkm...@gmail.com
