Re: addendum to the theme question

[Marie N.]

Thanks for putting this just as I was thinking. I don’t understand why so many 
long irritating threads are devoted to putting down the “other guy”.
In addition it was not meant as a chance to tell us how we could have had this 
freedom via a different method, i.e. a PC.

From: Christopher Chaltain 
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question

My point isn't that other platforms don't have their issues, but rather that 
this thread was supposed to be about how beneficial Apple devices have been to 
people since their introduction. I saw this as a feel good thread where people 
could share their experiences on the greater independence they now have due to 
the iPhone and related apps and services. I didn't see this as an opportunity 
to knock every other platform out there. I use Windows, IOS, Linux and Android, 
and although I know the limitations of the various platforms, I don't go out of 
my way to find opportunities to knock each platform. As I said below, I can 
appreciate everything Apple has done and the iPhone has done for me without 
tearing down every other platform out there.






On 5/27/19 5:56 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

  Lol. I'd actually love to be able to say with certainty, that Android and 
Linux are wonderful platforms for the blind. I've used both for at least half  
a year. I just don't subscribe to the notion that we should have to work around 
every little inaccessible app made by Google, and use another desktop on Linux 
because KDE is barely accessible now, and Gnome has a huge accessibility 
problem, that you cannot change settings in the settings center. Imagine having 
those problems on Apple products, mail, messages, TTS, and the keyboard being 
inferior on iOS. Sure, third-party options, even Eloquence, but I love the fact 
about Apple devices, that you can get along very well without even having to 
buy that $13 onscreen braille keyboard on Android.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 26, 2019, at 11:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why Devon 
is even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we Android users”, 
oh right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Devin Prater 
Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question

 

It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good 
about the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. I can 
certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, Google and 
Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you trash a product you 
don't choose to use yourself you're also putting down all of those people who 
didn't make the same choice you did.

 

 

On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

  Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard 
that is maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan 
 wrote:

One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that 
there are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts 
or sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I 
don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use 
it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the 
onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all 
available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these 
methods. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon 

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RE: addendum to the theme question

[Carolyn Arnold]

And, I had an Android tablet. I liked a lot of stuff about it, but found the 
keyboard clumsy, never got good at it, am way, way better with on-screen with 
my iPhone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question

Lol. I'd actually love to be able to say with certainty, that Android and Linux 
are wonderful platforms for the blind. I've used both for at least half  a 
year. I just don't subscribe to the notion that we should have to work around 
every little inaccessible app made by Google, and use another desktop on Linux 
because KDE is barely accessible now, and Gnome has a huge accessibility 
problem, that you cannot change settings in the settings center. Imagine having 
those problems on Apple products, mail, messages, TTS, and the keyboard being 
inferior on iOS. Sure, third-party options, even Eloquence, but I love the fact 
about Apple devices, that you can get along very well without even having to 
buy that $13 onscreen braille keyboard on Android.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 11:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why 
Devon is even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we Android 
users”, oh right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Devin 
Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >
    Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question

 

It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good 
about the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. I can 
certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, Google and 
Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you trash a product you 
don't choose to use yourself you're also putting down all of those people who 
didn't make the same choice you did.

 

 

On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille 
keyboard that is maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all 
these, the vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan 
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier 
post is that there are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, 
sending texts or sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m 
totally blind I don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who 
might want to use it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen 
input, dictation, the onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty 
keyboard are all available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for 
all of these methods. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon 

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Re: addendum to the theme question

[Christopher Chaltain]

My point isn't that other platforms don't have their issues, but rather 
that this thread was supposed to be about how beneficial Apple devices 
have been to people since their introduction. I saw this as a feel good 
thread where people could share their experiences on the greater 
independence they now have due to the iPhone and related apps and 
services. I didn't see this as an opportunity to knock every other 
platform out there. I use Windows, IOS, Linux and Android, and although 
I know the limitations of the various platforms, I don't go out of my 
way to find opportunities to knock each platform. As I said below, I can 
appreciate everything Apple has done and the iPhone has done for me 
without tearing down every other platform out there.




On 5/27/19 5:56 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Lol. I'd actually love to be able to say with certainty, that Android 
and Linux are wonderful platforms for the blind. I've used both for at 
least half  a year. I just don't subscribe to the notion that we 
should have to work around every little inaccessible app made by 
Google, and use another desktop on Linux because KDE is barely 
accessible now, and Gnome has a huge accessibility problem, that you 
cannot change settings in the settings center. Imagine having those 
problems on Apple products, mail, messages, TTS, and the keyboard 
being inferior on iOS. Sure, third-party options, even Eloquence, but 
I love the fact about Apple devices, that you can get along very well 
without even having to buy that $13 onscreen braille keyboard on Android.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 11:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:


There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why 
Devon is even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we 
Android users”, oh right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Christopher Chaltain

*Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; 
Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>>

*Subject:* Re: addendum to the theme question

It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's 
good about the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not 
Apple. I can certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing 
Microsoft, Google and Linux. I guess some also just don't realize 
that when you trash a product you don't choose to use yourself you're 
also putting down all of those people who didn't make the same choice 
you did.


On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille
keyboard that is maintained and kept up to date... for now...
lol. We get all these, the vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high
quality* Siri voices, all free!

Sent from my iPhone


On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:

One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post
is that there are so many ways of inputting information into
the phone, sending texts or sending emails.  One can use hand
writing although since I’m totally blind I don’t use that
feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use
it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen
input, dictation, the onscreen keyboard and using a separate
Braille or quarty keyboard are all available.  It’s so very
cool that apple provides options for all of these methods.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

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Re: addendum to the theme question

[Devin Prater]

Lol. I'd actually love to be able to say with certainty, that Android and Linux 
are wonderful platforms for the blind. I've used both for at least half  a 
year. I just don't subscribe to the notion that we should have to work around 
every little inaccessible app made by Google, and use another desktop on Linux 
because KDE is barely accessible now, and Gnome has a huge accessibility 
problem, that you cannot change settings in the settings center. Imagine having 
those problems on Apple products, mail, messages, TTS, and the keyboard being 
inferior on iOS. Sure, third-party options, even Eloquence, but I love the fact 
about Apple devices, that you can get along very well without even having to 
buy that $13 onscreen braille keyboard on Android.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 11:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why Devon 
> is even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we Android users”, 
> oh right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Devin Prater 
> Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question
>  
> It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good about 
> the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. I can 
> certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, Google and 
> Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you trash a product you 
> don't choose to use yourself you're also putting down all of those people who 
> didn't make the same choice you did.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard that 
> is maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
> vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan  
> wrote:
> 
> One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there are 
> so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or 
> sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I 
> don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use 
> it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the 
> onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all 
> available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these 
> methods.
> God bless!
> Paula and Garçon
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RE: addendum to the theme question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why Devon is 
even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we Android users”, oh 
right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Devin Prater 
Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question


It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good about 
the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. I can 
certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, Google and 
Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you trash a product you 
don't choose to use yourself you're also putting down all of those people who 
didn't make the same choice you did.




On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard that is 
maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan 
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:
One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there are 
so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or sending 
emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I don’t use 
that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use it.  In 
adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the onscreen 
keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all available.  
It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these methods.
God bless!
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Re: addendum to the theme question

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good 
about the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. 
I can certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, 
Google and Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you 
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Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille 
keyboard that is maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We 
get all these, the vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri 
voices, all free!


Sent from my iPhone

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One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that 
there are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, 
sending texts or sending emails.  One can use hand writing although 
since I’m totally blind I don’t use that feature, still it’s 
available for those who might want to use it.  In adition, MBraille 
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Re: addendum to the theme question

[Devin Prater]

Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard that is 
maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

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> On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan  
> wrote:
> 
> One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there are 
> so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or 
> sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I 
> don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use 
> it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the 
> onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all 
> available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these 
> methods.
> God bless!
> Paula and Garçon
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addendum to the theme question

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there
are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or
sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I
don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use
it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation,
the onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are
all available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of
these methods. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon 

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