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Also one should consider the level of accessibility with android how many android phones allow independent turning on of backtalk with outside assistance Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:02 PM, "Scott Howell" wrote: > Chris, > > I don't even have to troll for articles because if you red any of the tech > blogs etc. (or not) it's splattered all over the news. As far as whether the > media is fair or not is really not the issue. If it is news (what everyone is > talking about) the media wants in on the chatter fest. Hey, for the media it > is all about sales and if you don't join in on the fun, then you get left > behind. And there is always a little tendency to beat up on the "top dog" > because people have the perception that when a company is doing that well and > then makes a mistake, you just gotta take em to the woodshed. You are correct > in that there are more devices running android then iOS, but not at all > surprising when you consider there is one APple and thus one manufacture of > iOS devices. Samson is only one of several manufacturers of devices running > android. Well I think enough has been said from my perspective on this topic. > > On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of >> time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone >> manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, >> and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other >> cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone >> on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's >> much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to >> change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how >> unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people >> are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media >> itself. >> >> I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the >> world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day >> that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and >> that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone >> maker in the world. >> >> I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and >> fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I >> think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, >> Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. >> >> On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I >>> held the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of >>> proofing e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider >>> the content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had >>> made, but not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, >>> also keep in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to >>> complain, so you missed the entire point. The point I made and will >>> continue to make is that the media will look for anything to take Apple to >>> task over. The media seems to be making a lot of the issue and from all >>> that I have read and heard the issue is not affecting a large number of >>> customers. Now on the other hand you look at issues surrounding some of the >>> other phone manufacturers and you hear practically nothing. Joe let me see >>> if this helps you understand. Media likes to make a lot of noise at the >>> expense of the "top dog." Does that provide suffic >> ient clarity for you? >>> And as always joe, you are entitled to your opinion which is not right or >>> wrong; however, entirely yours. >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>> Scott, First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer would go a long way. Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. Just sayin'. Joe >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To
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John, Thank you for making my point so eloquently. Scott On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:53 PM, John Panarese wrote: > It's called, FUD. Plain and simple. Apple catches it because being on > top, you draw the fire from the media and everyone else. It's like a > political election. You might find pieces of truth and accuracy among the > nonsense, but things are deliberately exaggerated and distorted to damage the > reputation and credibility of the target. It also doesn't help when > companies use shills to only increase and attempt to validate the FUD with > more mud. This has gone on forever in the world of marketing, and when > Microsoft was on top, for example, they were the targets of it as well. > >It has nothing to do whether consumers have the right to complain or not. > It comes down to what exactly is being complained about, how many people are > actually being effected by it and how much of it is complete distorted > garbage used as FUD, the act of spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. Apple > sold 5 million iPhone 5 units in the first weekend. Competitors see those > numbers and can read the direction sales are going. Every bit of fear, > uncertainty and doubt that hurts an iPhone sale is good for them. It's a > tactic used forever, and it's just Apple's turn in the barrel. Of course > there are legitimate issues and problems people have, but that gets lost in > the reality that the magnitude and severity of the issues are purposely > exaggerated. Welcome to the world of competition in the technology world, I > guess > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > Twitter, @macfortheblind > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Sep 30, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> I don't even have to troll for articles because if you red any of the tech >> blogs etc. (or not) it's splattered all over the news. As far as whether the >> media is fair or not is really not the issue. If it is news (what everyone >> is talking about) the media wants in on the chatter fest. Hey, for the media >> it is all about sales and if you don't join in on the fun, then you get left >> behind. And there is always a little tendency to beat up on the "top dog" >> because people have the perception that when a company is doing that well >> and then makes a mistake, you just gotta take em to the woodshed. You are >> correct in that there are more devices running android then iOS, but not at >> all surprising when you consider there is one APple and thus one manufacture >> of iOS devices. Samson is only one of several manufacturers of devices >> running android. Well I think enough has been said from my perspective on >> this topic. >> >> On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> >>> Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of >>> time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone >>> manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, >>> and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other >>> cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone >>> on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's >>> much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to >>> change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how >>> unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people >>> are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media >>> itself. >>> >>> I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the >>> world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day >>> that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and >>> that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone >>> maker in the world. >>> >>> I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and >>> fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I >>> think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, >>> Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. >>> >>> On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: Joe, First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I held the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of proofing e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider the content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had made, but not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, also keep in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to complain, so yo
Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
It's called, FUD. Plain and simple. Apple catches it because being on top, you draw the fire from the media and everyone else. It's like a political election. You might find pieces of truth and accuracy among the nonsense, but things are deliberately exaggerated and distorted to damage the reputation and credibility of the target. It also doesn't help when companies use shills to only increase and attempt to validate the FUD with more mud. This has gone on forever in the world of marketing, and when Microsoft was on top, for example, they were the targets of it as well. It has nothing to do whether consumers have the right to complain or not. It comes down to what exactly is being complained about, how many people are actually being effected by it and how much of it is complete distorted garbage used as FUD, the act of spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. Apple sold 5 million iPhone 5 units in the first weekend. Competitors see those numbers and can read the direction sales are going. Every bit of fear, uncertainty and doubt that hurts an iPhone sale is good for them. It's a tactic used forever, and it's just Apple's turn in the barrel. Of course there are legitimate issues and problems people have, but that gets lost in the reality that the magnitude and severity of the issues are purposely exaggerated. Welcome to the world of competition in the technology world, I guess Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 30, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Chris, > > I don't even have to troll for articles because if you red any of the tech > blogs etc. (or not) it's splattered all over the news. As far as whether the > media is fair or not is really not the issue. If it is news (what everyone is > talking about) the media wants in on the chatter fest. Hey, for the media it > is all about sales and if you don't join in on the fun, then you get left > behind. And there is always a little tendency to beat up on the "top dog" > because people have the perception that when a company is doing that well and > then makes a mistake, you just gotta take em to the woodshed. You are correct > in that there are more devices running android then iOS, but not at all > surprising when you consider there is one APple and thus one manufacture of > iOS devices. Samson is only one of several manufacturers of devices running > android. Well I think enough has been said from my perspective on this topic. > > On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of >> time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone >> manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, >> and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other >> cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone >> on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's >> much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to >> change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how >> unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people >> are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media >> itself. >> >> I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the >> world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day >> that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and >> that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone >> maker in the world. >> >> I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and >> fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I >> think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, >> Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. >> >> On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I >>> held the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of >>> proofing e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider >>> the content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had >>> made, but not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, >>> also keep in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to >>> complain, so you missed the entire point. The point I made and will >>> continue to make is that the media will look for anything to take Apple to >>> task over. The media seems to be making a lot of the issue and from all >>> that I have read and heard the issue is n
Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
I also think some of this is a result of Apple's model. They make a big splash releasing an update to their mobile OS and most of their mobile devices, so there's going to be a lot of press, both good and negative. I don't think you'll have as much of a media frenzy over Android or Samsung where things are more fragmented and spread out. I'm not saying this is good or bad but just not unexpected. Like I said, they also get a lot of publicity and good press out of this as well. On 30/09/12 18:02, Scott Howell wrote: > Chris, > > I don't even have to troll for articles because if you red any of the tech > blogs etc. (or not) it's splattered all over the news. As far as whether the > media is fair or not is really not the issue. If it is news (what everyone is > talking about) the media wants in on the chatter fest. Hey, for the media it > is all about sales and if you don't join in on the fun, then you get left > behind. And there is always a little tendency to beat up on the "top dog" > because people have the perception that when a company is doing that well and > then makes a mistake, you just gotta take em to the woodshed. You are correct > in that there are more devices running android then iOS, but not at all > surprising when you consider there is one APple and thus one manufacture of > iOS devices. Samson is only one of several manufacturers of devices running > android. Well I think enough has been said from my perspective on this topic. > > On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of >> time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone >> manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, >> and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other >> cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone >> on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's >> much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to >> change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how >> unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people >> are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media >> itself. >> >> I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the >> world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day >> that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and >> that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone >> maker in the world. >> >> I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and >> fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I >> think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, >> Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. >> >> On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I >>> held the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of >>> proofing e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider >>> the content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had >>> made, but not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, >>> also keep in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to >>> complain, so you missed the entire point. The point I made and will >>> continue to make is that the media will look for anything to take Apple to >>> task over. The media seems to be making a lot of the issue and from all >>> that I have read and heard the issue is not affecting a large number of >>> customers. Now on the other hand you look at issues surrounding some of the >>> other phone manufacturers and you hear practically nothing. Joe let me see >>> if this helps you understand. Media likes to make a lot of noise at the >>> expense of the "top dog." Does that provide suff ic >> ient clarity for you? >>> And as always joe, you are entitled to your opinion which is not right or >>> wrong; however, entirely yours. >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>> Scott, First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer would go a long way. Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. Just sayin
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Chris, I don't even have to troll for articles because if you red any of the tech blogs etc. (or not) it's splattered all over the news. As far as whether the media is fair or not is really not the issue. If it is news (what everyone is talking about) the media wants in on the chatter fest. Hey, for the media it is all about sales and if you don't join in on the fun, then you get left behind. And there is always a little tendency to beat up on the "top dog" because people have the perception that when a company is doing that well and then makes a mistake, you just gotta take em to the woodshed. You are correct in that there are more devices running android then iOS, but not at all surprising when you consider there is one APple and thus one manufacture of iOS devices. Samson is only one of several manufacturers of devices running android. Well I think enough has been said from my perspective on this topic. On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of > time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone > manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, > and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other > cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone > on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's > much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to > change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how > unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people > are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media > itself. > > I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the > world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day > that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and > that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone > maker in the world. > > I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and > fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I > think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, > Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. > > On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: >> Joe, >> >> First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I held >> the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of proofing >> e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider the >> content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had made, but >> not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, also keep >> in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to complain, so >> you missed the entire point. The point I made and will continue to make is >> that the media will look for anything to take Apple to task over. The media >> seems to be making a lot of the issue and from all that I have read and >> heard the issue is not affecting a large number of customers. Now on the >> other hand you look at issues surrounding some of the other phone >> manufacturers and you hear practically nothing. Joe let me see if this helps >> you understand. Media likes to make a lot of noise at the expense of the >> "top dog." Does that provide suffic > ient clarity for you? >> And as always joe, you are entitled to your opinion which is not right or >> wrong; however, entirely yours. >> >> On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: >> >>> Scott, >>> >>> First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer >>> would go a long way. >>> >>> Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new >>> iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to >>> more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people >>> get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. >>> >>> But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let >>> them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by >>> other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or >>> Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. >>> >>> Just sayin'. >>> >>> Joe >> > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To sea
Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
Well, I kind of agreed with Joe on this point. I don't spend a lot of time out there trolling around for reports on other cell phone manufacturers, so my view is mostly skewed by what I see on this list, and therefore I see a lot more news concerning Apple than I do other cell phone makers. Obviously, it's more news worthy to jump on someone on top or pile on someone who's on the bottom, and I don't think there's much we can do about it, and I don't think complaining is going to change much. It's also interesting how you'll have people complain how unfair and one sided the news media is, but some of those same people are making the same kind of unfair generalizations about the news media itself. I know Apple has the perception of being to top cell phone maker in the world, and I think this is true emotionally, but I read the other day that there are more Android devices in the world than IOS devices and that Samsung has recently passed up Nokia as the number one cell phone maker in the world. I don't see the original post below, but I seem to recall that Ford and fuel lines were mentioned, which doesn't make sense to me at all. When I think of how many stories I've seen regarding Toyota, Ford, Audi, Firestone and so on, I don't think Apple is being singled out here at all. On 30/09/12 15:28, Scott Howell wrote: > Joe, > > First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I held > the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of proofing > e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider the content > because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had made, but not > surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, also keep in > mind that I never said customers did not have the right to complain, so you > missed the entire point. The point I made and will continue to make is that > the media will look for anything to take Apple to task over. The media seems > to be making a lot of the issue and from all that I have read and heard the > issue is not affecting a large number of customers. Now on the other hand you > look at issues surrounding some of the other phone manufacturers and you hear > practically nothing. Joe let me see if this helps you understand. Media likes > to make a lot of noise at the expense of the "top dog." Does that provide > suffic ient clarity for you? > And as always joe, you are entitled to your opinion which is not right or > wrong; however, entirely yours. > > On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer >> would go a long way. >> >> Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new >> iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to >> more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people >> get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. >> >> But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let >> them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by >> other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or >> Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. >> >> Just sayin'. >> >> Joe > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
Joe, First I realize how Apple is spelled, so thank you for observing that I held the shift key down a tad to long. Secondly Joe, perhaps instead of proofing e-mails for spelling errors etc., you would do better to consider the content because obviously Joe, you failed to grasp the point I had made, but not surprised when you are more concerned with grammar etc. Joe, also keep in mind that I never said customers did not have the right to complain, so you missed the entire point. The point I made and will continue to make is that the media will look for anything to take Apple to task over. The media seems to be making a lot of the issue and from all that I have read and heard the issue is not affecting a large number of customers. Now on the other hand you look at issues surrounding some of the other phone manufacturers and you hear practically nothing. Joe let me see if this helps you understand. Media likes to make a lot of noise at the expense of the "top dog." Does that provide sufficient clarity for you? And as always joe, you are entitled to your opinion which is not right or wrong; however, entirely yours. On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Joe wrote: > Scott, > > First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer > would go a long way. > > Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new > iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to > more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people > get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. > > But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let > them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by > other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or > Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. > > Just sayin'. > > Joe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Scott, First, it's Apple, not APple. A little spellcheck for the company you reveer would go a long way. Second, the media was merely reflecting what people felt about the new iPhone 5. Aluminum by its very nature is more fragile, and it is prone to more scratching. Consumers should have known that going in, but yes, people get all perturbed when the device isn't what the older models used to be. But, as another poster has pointed out, if people want to complain, let them. By golly it's their money, and some of the sentiments may be felt by other buyers. Countering every post perceived to be negative about Apple or Apple products does nothing to change anyone's mind. Just sayin'. Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 7:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? And because any successful company such as APple has to be busted down. After all, the media just can't stand having so much success--it doesn't sell airtime. The reason all of these other devices receive so little criticism is because those companies simply do not have the success rate as does APple. Although what is more interesting is when Ford or some other company has a recall with failing fuel lines etc. and you hear much less news and there is a case that impacts the user's actual life. :) On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:15 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Well it would seem that all of those listed are quite minor. I have to > say in my opinion of course, but I really, really think the press is > absolutely grasping at anything to cast a negative shadow over the > IPhone 5. They really, really seem to try hard to do that. I have > heard the new Samsong phone came out with much more impacting > functional issues and also cracked plastic right out of the box. Will > the press make anything of that? Not from what I have seen. No way. > That's Samsong. That's android. They have no intention of every atempt > to trash their reputation. > > On 9/29/12, M. Taylor wrote: >> article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? >> >> week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault >> with the new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. >> CNET News: >> >> After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a >> laundry list of faults with the new device. >> >> Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started >> filling up discussion forums and social networks with reports of >> scratches and nicks on their brand-new phones. People say they've >> noticed the defects around the aluminum band surrounding the phone, >> with the issue more visible on the black version of the new iPhone. >> >> Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product >> may scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," >> Apple Senior Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according >> to 9to5Mac. "That is normal." >> >> Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app >> -- so much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, >> for Apple, of issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of >> delivering the best possible experience. "We are extremely sorry," >> Cook wrote, "for the frustration this has caused our customers and we >> are doing everything we can to make Maps better." >> >> But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some >> iPhone 5 owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your >> iPhone 5 camera toward a bright light source such as the sun or an >> incandescent light. If you then move the camera so the light source >> is off-screen, a purple halo effect can be seen through the camera. >> That effect also shows up on any pictures that are taken. >> >> Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their >> keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they >> enter their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphon
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This is an example of FUD gone wild, fear, uncertainty and doubt. It's amazing the stuff the media runs with. I guess when you are on top, you have to expect everyone to take shots at you and blowing everything out of proportion. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:15 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Well it would seem that all of those listed are quite minor. I have to > say in my opinion of course, but I really, really think the press is > absolutely grasping at anything to cast a negative shadow over the > IPhone 5. They really, really seem to try hard to do that. I have > heard the new Samsong phone came out with much more impacting > functional issues and also cracked plastic right out of the box. Will > the press make anything of that? Not from what I have seen. No way. > That's Samsong. That's android. They have no intention of every atempt > to trash their reputation. > > On 9/29/12, M. Taylor wrote: >> article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? >> >> week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault with the >> new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. >> CNET News: >> >> After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a >> laundry list of faults with the new device. >> >> Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started filling up >> discussion forums and social networks with reports of scratches and nicks >> on >> their brand-new phones. People say they've noticed the defects around the >> aluminum band surrounding the phone, with the issue more visible on the >> black version of the new iPhone. >> >> Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product may >> scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," Apple Senior >> Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according to 9to5Mac. "That >> is >> normal." >> >> Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app -- so >> much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, for Apple, of >> issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of delivering the best possible >> experience. "We are extremely sorry," Cook wrote, "for the frustration this >> has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps >> better." >> >> But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some iPhone 5 >> owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your iPhone 5 camera >> toward a bright light source such as the sun or an incandescent light. If >> you then move the camera so the light source is off-screen, a purple halo >> effect can be seen through the camera. That effect also shows up on any >> pictures that are taken. >> >> Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their >> keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they enter >> their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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And because any successful company such as APple has to be busted down. After all, the media just can't stand having so much success--it doesn't sell airtime. The reason all of these other devices receive so little criticism is because those companies simply do not have the success rate as does APple. Although what is more interesting is when Ford or some other company has a recall with failing fuel lines etc. and you hear much less news and there is a case that impacts the user's actual life. :) On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:15 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Well it would seem that all of those listed are quite minor. I have to > say in my opinion of course, but I really, really think the press is > absolutely grasping at anything to cast a negative shadow over the > IPhone 5. They really, really seem to try hard to do that. I have > heard the new Samsong phone came out with much more impacting > functional issues and also cracked plastic right out of the box. Will > the press make anything of that? Not from what I have seen. No way. > That's Samsong. That's android. They have no intention of every atempt > to trash their reputation. > > On 9/29/12, M. Taylor wrote: >> article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? >> >> week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault with the >> new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. >> CNET News: >> >> After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a >> laundry list of faults with the new device. >> >> Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started filling up >> discussion forums and social networks with reports of scratches and nicks >> on >> their brand-new phones. People say they've noticed the defects around the >> aluminum band surrounding the phone, with the issue more visible on the >> black version of the new iPhone. >> >> Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product may >> scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," Apple Senior >> Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according to 9to5Mac. "That >> is >> normal." >> >> Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app -- so >> much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, for Apple, of >> issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of delivering the best possible >> experience. "We are extremely sorry," Cook wrote, "for the frustration this >> has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps >> better." >> >> But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some iPhone 5 >> owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your iPhone 5 camera >> toward a bright light source such as the sun or an incandescent light. If >> you then move the camera so the light source is off-screen, a purple halo >> effect can be seen through the camera. That effect also shows up on any >> pictures that are taken. >> >> Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their >> keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they enter >> their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Yes, I agree. In fact, it can easily be argued that the honeymoon is still in its early stages. Apple is continuing to break the record sales of iPhone 4S they set last year with the insane number of iPhone 5 sales. Also, and more telling, iOS 6 adoption is already at 60% of all iPhone owners. This is significantly higher and faster than the previous iOS 4 to iOS 5 upgrade adoption rate. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 30/09/2012, at 11:15, James Mannion wrote: > Well it would seem that all of those listed are quite minor. I have to > say in my opinion of course, but I really, really think the press is > absolutely grasping at anything to cast a negative shadow over the > IPhone 5. They really, really seem to try hard to do that. I have > heard the new Samsong phone came out with much more impacting > functional issues and also cracked plastic right out of the box. Will > the press make anything of that? Not from what I have seen. No way. > That's Samsong. That's android. They have no intention of every atempt > to trash their reputation. > > On 9/29/12, M. Taylor wrote: >> article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? >> >> week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault with the >> new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. >> CNET News: >> >> After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a >> laundry list of faults with the new device. >> >> Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started filling up >> discussion forums and social networks with reports of scratches and nicks >> on >> their brand-new phones. People say they've noticed the defects around the >> aluminum band surrounding the phone, with the issue more visible on the >> black version of the new iPhone. >> >> Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product may >> scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," Apple Senior >> Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according to 9to5Mac. "That >> is >> normal." >> >> Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app -- so >> much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, for Apple, of >> issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of delivering the best possible >> experience. "We are extremely sorry," Cook wrote, "for the frustration this >> has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps >> better." >> >> But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some iPhone 5 >> owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your iPhone 5 camera >> toward a bright light source such as the sun or an incandescent light. If >> you then move the camera so the light source is off-screen, a purple halo >> effect can be seen through the camera. That effect also shows up on any >> pictures that are taken. >> >> Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their >> keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they enter >> their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
Well it would seem that all of those listed are quite minor. I have to say in my opinion of course, but I really, really think the press is absolutely grasping at anything to cast a negative shadow over the IPhone 5. They really, really seem to try hard to do that. I have heard the new Samsong phone came out with much more impacting functional issues and also cracked plastic right out of the box. Will the press make anything of that? Not from what I have seen. No way. That's Samsong. That's android. They have no intention of every atempt to trash their reputation. On 9/29/12, M. Taylor wrote: > article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? > > week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault with the > new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. > CNET News: > > After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a > laundry list of faults with the new device. > > Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started filling up > discussion forums and social networks with reports of scratches and nicks > on > their brand-new phones. People say they've noticed the defects around the > aluminum band surrounding the phone, with the issue more visible on the > black version of the new iPhone. > > Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product may > scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," Apple Senior > Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according to 9to5Mac. "That > is > normal." > > Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app -- so > much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, for Apple, of > issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of delivering the best possible > experience. "We are extremely sorry," Cook wrote, "for the frustration this > has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps > better." > > But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some iPhone 5 > owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your iPhone 5 camera > toward a bright light source such as the sun or an incandescent light. If > you then move the camera so the light source is off-screen, a purple halo > effect can be seen through the camera. That effect also shows up on any > pictures that are taken. > > Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their > keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they enter > their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already?
article: iPhone 5 honeymoon over already? week in review Owners of the new smartphone find a litany of fault with the new device, while Apple grapples with map miscues. CNET News: After just a week on the market, the iPhone 5 has owners writing up a laundry list of faults with the new device. Soon after the iPhone 5 went on sale last Friday, users started filling up discussion forums and social networks with reports of scratches and nicks on their brand-new phones. People say they've noticed the defects around the aluminum band surrounding the phone, with the issue more visible on the black version of the new iPhone. Those complaints don't appear to bother Apple. "Any aluminum product may scratch or chip with use, exposing its natural silver color," Apple Senior Marketing VP Phil Schiller said in an e-mail, according to 9to5Mac. "That is normal." Apple seems much more taken aback by the flap over its iOS 6 Maps app -- so much so that CEO Tim Cook on Friday took the startling step, for Apple, of issuing a major mea culpa for falling short of delivering the best possible experience. "We are extremely sorry," Cook wrote, "for the frustration this has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better." But back to the iPhone: A purple halo also seems to plaguing some iPhone 5 owners, reportedly occurring on photographs if you aim your iPhone 5 camera toward a bright light source such as the sun or an incandescent light. If you then move the camera so the light source is off-screen, a purple halo effect can be seen through the camera. That effect also shows up on any pictures that are taken. Users are also complaining of lines of static appearing across their keyboard as they type. But the problem seems to occur only when they enter their passwords at the App Store or iTunes store. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
