Re: new member intro

2015-02-13 Thread Alan J Paganelli

Hi Michelleand welcome to the group.




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-Original Message- 
From: Michelle Scott

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: new member intro

Hi,
My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt light 
perception. I am 26 years old and love technology like iPhone.


Take care,

Michelle.

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Re: Sorry Re: new member intro

2015-02-13 Thread Ann
Hello, I will be 42 and a couple of more months and was born with retinitis 
pigmentosa that has rendered me completely blind since 2005 actually started 
there and and then worsen into thousand seven and then I was totally blind and 
buy 2007 I have been an iPhone user for almost 3 years welcome

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry that should have gone off list; I didn't realize where this went to 
 until I saw my own reply and decided to check the header. To put it back on 
 topic, i love technology as well including iPhones and iPads.
 On 13 Feb 2015, at 07:40, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Michelle,
 I'm sorry you lost your sight totally at a young age. I know someone who 
 went through the very same thing at the tender age of 18. I don't think she 
 will ever come to terms with it. As for me, I was blind from birth but do 
 retain light perception so don't know any different.
 On 10 Feb 2015, at 18:17, Michelle Scott michelle.hurdt1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
 went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt 
 light perception. I am 26 years old and love technology like iPhone. 
 
 Take care,
 
 Michelle.
 
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new member intro

2015-02-12 Thread Michelle Scott
Hi,
My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt light 
perception. I am 26 years old and love technology like iPhone. 

Take care,

Michelle.

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Re: new member intro

2015-02-12 Thread Joseph Hudson
Hi Michelle, welcome to the group we're all here to help so many questions you 
may have feel free to ask.
 On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Michelle Scott michelle.hurdt1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
 went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt light 
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 Take care,
 
 Michelle.
 
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Re: new member intro

2015-02-12 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hi Michelle,
I'm sorry you lost your sight totally at a young age. I know someone who went 
through the very same thing at the tender age of 18. I don't think she will 
ever come to terms with it. As for me, I was blind from birth but do retain 
light perception so don't know any different.
 On 10 Feb 2015, at 18:17, Michelle Scott michelle.hurdt1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
 went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt light 
 perception. I am 26 years old and love technology like iPhone. 
 
 Take care,
 
 Michelle.
 
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Sorry Re: new member intro

2015-02-12 Thread christopher hallsworth
Sorry that should have gone off list; I didn't realize where this went to until 
I saw my own reply and decided to check the header. To put it back on topic, i 
love technology as well including iPhones and iPads.
 On 13 Feb 2015, at 07:40, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Michelle,
 I'm sorry you lost your sight totally at a young age. I know someone who went 
 through the very same thing at the tender age of 18. I don't think she will 
 ever come to terms with it. As for me, I was blind from birth but do retain 
 light perception so don't know any different.
 On 10 Feb 2015, at 18:17, Michelle Scott michelle.hurdt1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 My name is Michelle. I was visually impared until i was 4 years old, then i 
 went blind as i was growing up. First i had to wear glasses then i wnt light 
 perception. I am 26 years old and love technology like iPhone. 
 
 Take care,
 
 Michelle.
 
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New member intro message, was, RE: New member intro message, was, I cannot get the buttons at the bottom of a Safari window to show up consistently.

2013-09-24 Thread Paulette Vickery
 and all
assistance you are able to give.

Paulette

 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arianna
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:26 AM
To: VIPhone Email List
Subject: I cannot get the buttons at the bottom of a Safari window to show
up consistently.

As the subject might suggest, I am having trouble consistently getting the
buttons like back, forward, share, pages, etc. to show up at the bottom of a
Safari window. In iOS 6, I could very easily gget to them by touching right
above the bottom of the screen. I'm using an OtterBox Defender case, which
makes this extremely easy. Now, however, in iOS 7, the only time I've been
able to consistently find the back button is when opening a new page. I'm
pretty sure that this has something to do with that area of the screen being
hidden until you go near it, but I can't seem to bring it up, no matter what
I do. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ari

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arianna
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:26 AM
To: VIPhone Email List
Subject: New member intro message, was, I cannot get the buttons at the
bottom of a Safari window to show up consistently.

As the subject might suggest, I am having trouble consistently getting the
buttons like back, forward, share, pages, etc. to show up at the bottom of a
Safari window. In iOS 6, I could very easily gget to them by touching right
above the bottom of the screen. I'm using an OtterBox Defender case, which
makes this extremely easy. Now, however, in iOS 7, the only time I've been
able to consistently find the back button is when opening a new page. I'm
pretty sure that this has something to do with that area of the screen being
hidden until you go near it, but I can't seem to bring it up, no matter what
I do. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ari

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RE: New Member Intro and Help Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-08 Thread Rose Combs
I have to agree with this message, I started with a 4 and it took a couple
of weeks to do just the basics and not call friends at midnight because I
could not figure out how to stop the phone once it dialed the number in a
contact I was trying to edit or just look at, now I laugh at that.  It took
me another couple of months to start using about 95% of the features on the
phone, setting alarms, timers, working with the calendar and calculator,
using the memo recorder, downloading and playing a few games, nothing that
uses the game center, however.  I still don't use Game Center and I don't
subscribe to Twitter or Facebook because I would never be able to keep up
with a full time job, an ill husband and other duties that I need to take
care of during most days.  

 

I also use the Otterbox and once the 4 was put in it never came out again
until my husband lost it in the hospital, either it was stolen or it went
out in the laundry, it never came back but as soon as I heard the story I
made him deactivate it on our account.  My 4S is in an Otterbox and has not
been out of that case ever.  The Otterbox can take a few drops, I dropped
one of the phones in the hospital one evening and it just made a lot of
noise from that clip hitting the floor.  I accidently got tangled up in the
cord and pulled it off my desk once also.  

 

My husband got a 5 to replace my old 4 and it is lighter and I would like
that but I am not eligible for an upgrade until next year.  I have used the
5 once or twice to ANSER for my husband and showed him a few things and it
seems to be no different than my 4S as far as operating goes.  

 

The other thing I like about the case is the borders of the screen are
definitely discernible and that makes using the phone without any tactile
marking easier for me at least.  

 

I also like having Siri which the 4 did not have, saves me trying to text
one friend who would prefer texting to talking and who can send faster than
I can think, often I get three or four from her before I can even dictate
one back.  Only way I can keep up typing is with the Bluetooth keyboard
which I don't carry around so having the 4S has made my life a little easier
since she does a lot of driving for us, shopping etc.  Shopping via texting
is quite a hoot, happened once while I was at the hospital and she texted me
about every single item on my list.  My husband slept through it all but he
should have heard some of her questions!  I could never have kept up with
her without Siri's help.  I would have rather been with her to shop but,
although annoying, this method got the job I needed done finished.  

She should have called me but... 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

Ok, here's the deal.  iPhone not only comes with a screen reader but it also
comes with a screen magnification program as well.  I don't know beans about
zoomtext but I do know about the screen magnification.  The way it was
explained to me was like this.  Think of it as a portable hole.  You can
drag your portable hole all around the screen using your finger. Anything
inside the portable hole is magnified and you can also control how much
magnification you use.  These are already built in to the iPhone as well as
other Apple products.

 

The difference is, you aren't paying extra for it like you would with
others.

 

On to the phones.  They have a free phone.  It's the iPhone 4 with 8 GB.
The iPhone 4 is a fine phone.  It has both described above features as well
as support for a Braille display users here can describe it to you far
better then I can so I'll leave that to them.  

 

If you just want to get your feet wet and aren't willing to shell out any
more money then you are already going to for a talk, text, and data plan,
then the free phone makes sense.

 

With that having been said, there are very few folks out there who ever said
you know, I was happy with my old cell phone.

 

An 8 GB phone would still let you put plenty of apps on it, maybe a gig or 2
of music and even a few pictures of you, your dog, your wife, and your kids.

 

How hard is it to learn to use?  You've never struck me as being stupid and
we've known each other for some time.  Yes there is a relearning curve.  It
varies among folks as to how long that curve lasts.  Almost everybody gets
it in a few weeks to several months and there is no prize for how fast you
get it.  Even with the free phone you have to get a 24 month contract.  The
key here is, it's only 24 months, not the rest of your life.  The 2 years
I've had my iPhone 4 has gone by pretty quickly.  If I had to keep my iPhone
4 longer, I wouldn't cry to much because it's still a darn good phone.

 

On the other hand, if you decide you are jumping in the water with both
feet, I would recommend you buy

Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

honestly, when it comes to tech, especially mobile tech, I think one should 
just go and buy the best they can reasonably afford.  I don't think one will 
ever be disappointed in doing so.  For example, by purchasing the iPhone 5, one 
is almost certain to have access to the next major release of IOS.  If you can 
afford a 32 or 64 GB iPhone?  Get one of those.  I've never heard anyone 
complaining about how much extra space they have on their device. haha.  If a 
4S is more in your price range, then get that.  But, I really do think one is 
better off letting their finances dictate what they get than features they may 
or, may not use.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 Hi Sieghard and all. just to add to this topic. Right now TELUS has a deal on 
 where you can get the I phone 4s for 0 dollars' with a 67 dollar a month plan 
 over a 2 year contract. this plan includes 200 daytime minnits 1 gig of data 
 and a few other things. I went in and asked them about this today and they 
 said that this offer was still on. I was thinking about getting this offer 
 since I would not have to pay for the phone at least not up front I mean but 
 after reading your msg I am re considering if it would just be better to go 
 with the 5 and pay the extra 100 something. since like you pointed out by the 
 time you factor in cases and stuff for the iphone 4s you are using older tec. 
 i would like your thoughts.  from Mich.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:38 AM
 Subject: RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model
 
 Hi Alan,
  
 And just to add to the confusion, there are already rumours that Apple may 
 actually release a new iPhone in June again as they did in 2010 and before. 
 It was only the 4S in 2011 and the 5 last September which were released in 
 the fall and if you are not in a huge hurry, I think it wouldn’t hurt to wait 
 maybe 6 or 8 weeks to see if those rumours persist.
  
 Anyhow, as far as the 4S and 5 are concerned, I would absolutely advise 
 against the 4S. It’s a very good phone, but to get a 4S at this late stage 
 would not be a good idea especially since as a new user you may want to 
 invest in some accessories like a dock, cases and so on and if you buy a 4S 
 with the old 30-Pin connector any accessories you buy will be outdated at the 
 point of purchase with respect to future iPhone releases as those will all 
 have the much smaller Lightning connector. And of course the processor on the 
 5 is much faster, as Nicholas pointed out, the 5 has more RAM and apart from 
 the slightly larger screen it is thinner and lighter.
  
 I have a 4S and while I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S I didn’t upgrade to the 
 5, but mostly because I want to upgrade when the new iPhone comes out and 
 getting a new phone every year does get pretty expensive. If I had still been 
 on my 4 or a new user I would absolutely have bought the iPhone 5.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Alan Lemly
Nick, thanks so much for your comments. This is just the sort of advice I
was looking for. I tend to use my devices until they drop so I expect I'll
go with the iPhone 5 and get at least 32GB if not the 64GB capacity. I've
bought too much computer equipment over the years where I skimped on the
hardware on the front end and lived to regret it so I'm not going to do that
again.

 

Thanks to all who posted on this thread.

 

Alan

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nicholas Abrahamson
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

Hi Allen

 

I'd honestly go with the iPhone 5 because it has both a slightly bigger
screen and better resolution.  This is going to be important if you're using
zoom, apple's built in equivalent  of zoom text,  on the iPhone to see it.
The other advantage the 5 has is that it has more ram then say the 4 or 4S.
This will help when running certain apps because they will run a bit more
smoothly for you.  Memory is eaten up mostly by say music, pictures and
videos.  If you're not sure how much you may want of those picking something
like a 64 gb might be a bit much if only because the price sounds
intimidating to some people first starting out.  I don't know if I'm already
giving you stuff you know or not here but apple usually upgrades iPhones
iPods and such in september for release in October.  A lot of people just
starting out will pick a smaller model of the phone, and then upgrade again
in october after they've had time to learn a bit more about there iPhone and
the types of things they will and won't use.  If this is something you think
you would want to do, then picking the smallest model would be the best way
to go if only because you won't have put a ton of money in to something
you're upgrading in a few months anyway.  If though, you don't care to
upgrade your iPhone in october and you're happy using it for the next 2
years, then picking a model that's bigger would be the way to go.  Hope this
helps.

 

Peace,

Nick

 

On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:





Alan, I'm not sure this is any help, but I've just upgraded from a 16gb
Iphone4 to a 64gb Iphone5, and I'm really glad I did. Having said that I'm
not in the U

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: 04 February 2013 18:07
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually
impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I
really don't like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new
things that will benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all
that if offers.

 

I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both
with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears
that ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best
price. I'm looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which
ATT apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more
memory capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I
figured I would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional
accessibility. I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an
iPhone app and that there are also many other apps to choose from. My main
use of the iPhone will be taking advantage of its accessibility features in
identifying objects as my vision continues to decline and in accessing its
web and other data services as I begin to travel more.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB
versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front
but I can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked
extensively with computers since 1981 so I'm aware that spending more up
front for additional features and capacity is usually quickly justified with
the rapid technological expansion.

 

Thanks for any help and I'm looking forward to tapping into the extensive
knowledge of this list.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Alan Paganelli
Ok, here's the deal.  iPhone not only comes with a screen reader but it also 
comes with a screen magnification program as well.  I don't know beans about 
zoomtext but I do know about the screen magnification.  The way it was 
explained to me was like this.  Think of it as a portable hole.  You can drag 
your portable hole all around the screen using your finger. Anything inside the 
portable hole is magnified and you can also control how much magnification you 
use.  These are already built in to the iPhone as well as other Apple products.

The difference is, you aren't paying extra for it like you would with others.

On to the phones.  They have a free phone.  It's the iPhone 4 with 8 GB.  The 
iPhone 4 is a fine phone.  It has both described above features as well as 
support for a Braille display users here can describe it to you far better then 
I can so I'll leave that to them.  

If you just want to get your feet wet and aren't willing to shell out any more 
money then you are already going to for a talk, text, and data plan, then the 
free phone makes sense.

With that having been said, there are very few folks out there who ever said 
you know, I was happy with my old cell phone.

An 8 GB phone would still let you put plenty of apps on it, maybe a gig or 2 of 
music and even a few pictures of you, your dog, your wife, and your kids.

How hard is it to learn to use?  You've never struck me as being stupid and 
we've known each other for some time.  Yes there is a relearning curve.  It 
varies among folks as to how long that curve lasts.  Almost everybody gets it 
in a few weeks to several months and there is no prize for how fast you get it. 
 Even with the free phone you have to get a 24 month contract.  The key here 
is, it's only 24 months, not the rest of your life.  The 2 years I've had my 
iPhone 4 has gone by pretty quickly.  If I had to keep my iPhone 4 longer, I 
wouldn't cry to much because it's still a darn good phone.

On the other hand, if you decide you are jumping in the water with both feet, I 
would recommend you buy the iPhone 5.  Why?  It's the newest and therefore will 
have the highest resale value down that 24 month road.  iPhone has a solid 
state hard drive rather then say, an SD-HC card.  Sense your only going to get 
one shot at it, buy the largest size hard drive you can afford.  It's better to 
have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.   time you double the 
size of the hard drive the price goes up another hundred bucks and so does the 
resale value.  In other words, an iPhone 5 with a 64 GB hard drive will set you 
back 400 bucks but it's resale value will be the highest over the 8 GB iPhone 5 
and other models on back.  

Buy a good case when you buy your phone.  Put your phone in the case and leave 
it there.  My iPhone 4 32 GB iPhone has been in it's Ottorbox Defender case 
sense I got it 2 years ago.  I think if it's been out of the case 3 times, that 
would even be giving it an extra point.

This group is a great place to ask questions once you get your phone regardless 
of which one it is.  Everybody here has been where you are now and lived to 
tell the story and I've got a gut feeling you will too!

HTH  display.  Braille 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Lemly 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:06 AM
  Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model


  I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other 
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually impaired. 
I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I really don't 
like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new things that will 
benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all that if offers.



  I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both 
with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears that 
ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best price. I'm 
looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which ATT 
apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more memory 
capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I figured I 
would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional accessibility. 
I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an iPhone app and that 
there are also many other apps to choose from. My main use of the iPhone will 
be taking advantage of its accessibility features in identifying objects as my 
vision continues to decline and in accessing its web and other data services as 
I begin to travel more.



  Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB 
versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front but I 
can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked extensively with 
computers since 1981 so I'm

Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi, this is kind of what I did. I got the iPhone 4S about 1 year ago and 
I purposely got the 64 gb version to avoid space issues. I plan on 
holding onto it for at least another 12 to 18 months. If longer, then it 
won't be bad. by that time we'll see what's new out there and then it 
will be worth skipping from the 4S to whatever is out there. It might be 
skipping 1 or 2 phone models. It wasn't worth me getting the iPhone 5 so 
soon after I got the 4S since it's been working perfectly fine for me.


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On 2/4/2013 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Nick, thanks so much for your comments. This is just the sort of advice
I was looking for. I tend to use my devices until they drop so I expect
I'll go with the iPhone 5 and get at least 32GB if not the 64GB
capacity. I've bought too much computer equipment over the years where I
skimped on the hardware on the front end and lived to regret it so I'm
not going to do that again.

Thanks to all who posted on this thread.

Alan

-Original Message-
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Nicholas Abrahamson
*Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 5:41 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

Hi Allen

I'd honestly go with the iPhone 5 because it has both a slightly bigger
screen and better resolution.  This is going to be important if you're
using zoom, apple's built in equivalent  of zoom text,  on the iPhone to
see it.  The other advantage the 5 has is that it has more ram then say
the 4 or 4S.  This will help when running certain apps because they will
run a bit more smoothly for you.  Memory is eaten up mostly by say
music, pictures and videos.  If you're not sure how much you may want of
those picking something like a 64 gb might be a bit much if only because
the price sounds intimidating to some people first starting out.  I
don't know if I'm already giving you stuff you know or not here but
apple usually upgrades iPhones iPods and such in september for release
in October.  A lot of people just starting out will pick a smaller model
of the phone, and then upgrade again in october after they've had time
to learn a bit more about there iPhone and the types of things they will
and won't use.  If this is something you think you would want to do,
then picking the smallest model would be the best way to go if only
because you won't have put a ton of money in to something you're
upgrading in a few months anyway.  If though, you don't care to upgrade
your iPhone in october and you're happy using it for the next 2 years,
then picking a model that's bigger would be the way to go.  Hope this helps.

Peace,

Nick

On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com
mailto:alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:



Alan, I’m not sure this is any help, but I’ve just upgraded from a 16gb
Iphone4 to a 64gb Iphone5, and I’m really glad I did. Having said that
I’m not in the U

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com http://googlegroups.com]*On Behalf
Of*Alan Lemly
*Sent:*04 February 2013 18:07
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:*New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and
other iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those
visually impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP
system since I really don't like re-learning interface changes but I'm
happy to learn new things that will benefit me and it's past time to
learn the iPhone and all that if offers.

I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh
both with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it
appears that ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not
the best price. I'm looking for recommendations on whether to get the
iPhone 4S which ATT apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an
iPhone 5 with more memory capacity. I know this depends on each
individual's personal use but I figured I would tend to run more apps
than sighted users to get additional accessibility. I use the ZoomText
screen reader and I know they have an iPhone app and that there are also
many other apps to choose from. My main use of the iPhone will be taking
advantage of its accessibility features in identifying objects as my
vision continues to decline and in accessing its web and other data
services as I begin to travel more.

Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with
16GB versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up
front but I can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have
worked extensively

RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Alan Lemly
Sieghard, thanks for your comments. I was not aware that the iPhone 5 used a
Lightning connector which is smaller than the connector on the 4S. I'm
learning more with every post. I agree that the model 5 is the way to go but
I'll keep my ears open about impending upgrades before I actually commit.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

Hi Alan,

 

And just to add to the confusion, there are already rumours that Apple may
actually release a new iPhone in June again as they did in 2010 and before.
It was only the 4S in 2011 and the 5 last September which were released in
the fall and if you are not in a huge hurry, I think it wouldn't hurt to
wait maybe 6 or 8 weeks to see if those rumours persist.

 

Anyhow, as far as the 4S and 5 are concerned, I would absolutely advise
against the 4S. It's a very good phone, but to get a 4S at this late stage
would not be a good idea especially since as a new user you may want to
invest in some accessories like a dock, cases and so on and if you buy a 4S
with the old 30-Pin connector any accessories you buy will be outdated at
the point of purchase with respect to future iPhone releases as those will
all have the much smaller Lightning connector. And of course the processor
on the 5 is much faster, as Nicholas pointed out, the 5 has more RAM and
apart from the slightly larger screen it is thinner and lighter.

 

I have a 4S and while I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S I didn't upgrade to
the 5, but mostly because I want to upgrade when the new iPhone comes out
and getting a new phone every year does get pretty expensive. If I had still
been on my 4 or a new user I would absolutely have bought the iPhone 5.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Alan Paganelli
I would add to this, if you wait because you've heard the latest and greatest 
is around the corner, you will only drive yourself crazy.  I did that when I 
got my iPhone 4.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ricardo Walker 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:13 AM
  Subject: Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model


  Hi,

  honestly, when it comes to tech, especially mobile tech, I think one should 
just go and buy the best they can reasonably afford.  I don't think one will 
ever be disappointed in doing so.  For example, by purchasing the iPhone 5, one 
is almost certain to have access to the next major release of IOS.  If you can 
afford a 32 or 64 GB iPhone?  Get one of those.  I've never heard anyone 
complaining about how much extra space they have on their device. haha.  If a 
4S is more in your price range, then get that.  But, I really do think one is 
better off letting their finances dictate what they get than features they may 
or, may not use.

  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
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  On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

   Hi Sieghard and all. just to add to this topic. Right now TELUS has a deal 
on where you can get the I phone 4s for 0 dollars' with a 67 dollar a month 
plan over a 2 year contract. this plan includes 200 daytime minnits 1 gig of 
data and a few other things. I went in and asked them about this today and they 
said that this offer was still on. I was thinking about getting this offer 
since I would not have to pay for the phone at least not up front I mean but 
after reading your msg I am re considering if it would just be better to go 
with the 5 and pay the extra 100 something. since like you pointed out by the 
time you factor in cases and stuff for the iphone 4s you are using older tec. i 
would like your thoughts.  from Mich.
   - Original Message -
   From: Sieghard Weitzel
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:38 AM
   Subject: RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model
   
   Hi Alan,

   And just to add to the confusion, there are already rumours that Apple may 
actually release a new iPhone in June again as they did in 2010 and before. It 
was only the 4S in 2011 and the 5 last September which were released in the 
fall and if you are not in a huge hurry, I think it wouldn’t hurt to wait maybe 
6 or 8 weeks to see if those rumours persist.

   Anyhow, as far as the 4S and 5 are concerned, I would absolutely advise 
against the 4S. It’s a very good phone, but to get a 4S at this late stage 
would not be a good idea especially since as a new user you may want to invest 
in some accessories like a dock, cases and so on and if you buy a 4S with the 
old 30-Pin connector any accessories you buy will be outdated at the point of 
purchase with respect to future iPhone releases as those will all have the much 
smaller Lightning connector. And of course the processor on the 5 is much 
faster, as Nicholas pointed out, the 5 has more RAM and apart from the slightly 
larger screen it is thinner and lighter.

   I have a 4S and while I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S I didn’t upgrade to 
the 5, but mostly because I want to upgrade when the new iPhone comes out and 
getting a new phone every year does get pretty expensive. If I had still been 
on my 4 or a new user I would absolutely have bought the iPhone 5.


   Regards,
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RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-05 Thread Alan Lemly
Alan, thanks for your excellent comments and your soup to nuts coverage. I
already feel as if I'm partly up the learning curve after reading all the
posts yesterday and I'm pretty confident I'll get there and hopefully start
contributing answers rather than questions to this list.  I will certainly
explore all the built-in features of the iPhone I get since the accountant
in me doesn't like spending money on apps that aren't really needed. I've
just about decided to go with the iPhone 5 64GB since I agree that getting
the most current model with the greatest capacity makes the most economic
sense in the long run as I tend to take extreme care of my electronic
devices and use them til they drop. I'm also a big fan of cases so I
appreciate your comments about those. The 64GB capacity makes the most sense
for me as I expect I will be listening to books from Audible, a good bit of
music, as well as NLS books when they finally complete the app to allow
their content to play on iPhones.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

Ok, here's the deal.  iPhone not only comes with a screen reader but it also
comes with a screen magnification program as well.  I don't know beans about
zoomtext but I do know about the screen magnification.  The way it was
explained to me was like this.  Think of it as a portable hole.  You can
drag your portable hole all around the screen using your finger. Anything
inside the portable hole is magnified and you can also control how much
magnification you use.  These are already built in to the iPhone as well as
other Apple products.

 

The difference is, you aren't paying extra for it like you would with
others.

 

On to the phones.  They have a free phone.  It's the iPhone 4 with 8 GB.
The iPhone 4 is a fine phone.  It has both described above features as well
as support for a Braille display users here can describe it to you far
better then I can so I'll leave that to them.  

 

If you just want to get your feet wet and aren't willing to shell out any
more money then you are already going to for a talk, text, and data plan,
then the free phone makes sense.

 

With that having been said, there are very few folks out there who ever said
you know, I was happy with my old cell phone.

 

An 8 GB phone would still let you put plenty of apps on it, maybe a gig or 2
of music and even a few pictures of you, your dog, your wife, and your kids.

 

How hard is it to learn to use?  You've never struck me as being stupid and
we've known each other for some time.  Yes there is a relearning curve.  It
varies among folks as to how long that curve lasts.  Almost everybody gets
it in a few weeks to several months and there is no prize for how fast you
get it.  Even with the free phone you have to get a 24 month contract.  The
key here is, it's only 24 months, not the rest of your life.  The 2 years
I've had my iPhone 4 has gone by pretty quickly.  If I had to keep my iPhone
4 longer, I wouldn't cry to much because it's still a darn good phone.

 

On the other hand, if you decide you are jumping in the water with both
feet, I would recommend you buy the iPhone 5.  Why?  It's the newest and
therefore will have the highest resale value down that 24 month road.
iPhone has a solid state hard drive rather then say, an SD-HC card.  Sense
your only going to get one shot at it, buy the largest size hard drive you
can afford.  It's better to have it and not need it then to need it and not
have it.  time you double the size of the hard drive the price goes up
another hundred bucks and so does the resale value.  In other words, an
iPhone 5 with a 64 GB hard drive will set you back 400 bucks but it's resale
value will be the highest over the 8 GB iPhone 5 and other models on back.  

 

Buy a good case when you buy your phone.  Put your phone in the case and
leave it there.  My iPhone 4 32 GB iPhone has been in it's Ottorbox Defender
case sense I got it 2 years ago.  I think if it's been out of the case 3
times, that would even be giving it an extra point.

 

This group is a great place to ask questions once you get your phone
regardless of which one it is.  Everybody here has been where you are now
and lived to tell the story and I've got a gut feeling you will too!

 

HTH  display.  Braille 

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:06 AM

Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually
impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I
really don't like re-learning interface changes

New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-04 Thread Alan Lemly
I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually
impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I
really don't like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new
things that will benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all
that if offers.

 

I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both
with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears
that ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best
price. I'm looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which
ATT apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more
memory capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I
figured I would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional
accessibility. I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an
iPhone app and that there are also many other apps to choose from. My main
use of the iPhone will be taking advantage of its accessibility features in
identifying objects as my vision continues to decline and in accessing its
web and other data services as I begin to travel more.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB
versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front
but I can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked
extensively with computers since 1981 so I'm aware that spending more up
front for additional features and capacity is usually quickly justified with
the rapid technological expansion.

 

Thanks for any help and I'm looking forward to tapping into the extensive
knowledge of this list.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-04 Thread Alex Stone
Alan, I'm not sure this is any help, but I've just upgraded from a 16gb
Iphone4 to a 64gb Iphone5, and I'm really glad I did. Having said that I'm
not in the U

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: 04 February 2013 18:07
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

 

I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other
iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually
impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I
really don't like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new
things that will benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all
that if offers.

 

I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both
with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears
that ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best
price. I'm looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which
ATT apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more
memory capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I
figured I would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional
accessibility. I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an
iPhone app and that there are also many other apps to choose from. My main
use of the iPhone will be taking advantage of its accessibility features in
identifying objects as my vision continues to decline and in accessing its
web and other data services as I begin to travel more.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB
versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front
but I can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked
extensively with computers since 1981 so I'm aware that spending more up
front for additional features and capacity is usually quickly justified with
the rapid technological expansion.

 

Thanks for any help and I'm looking forward to tapping into the extensive
knowledge of this list.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-04 Thread Nicholas Abrahamson
Hi Allen

I'd honestly go with the iPhone 5 because it has both a slightly bigger screen 
and better resolution.  This is going to be important if you're using zoom, 
apple's built in equivalent  of zoom text,  on the iPhone to see it.  The other 
advantage the 5 has is that it has more ram then say the 4 or 4S.  This will 
help when running certain apps because they will run a bit more smoothly for 
you.  Memory is eaten up mostly by say music, pictures and videos.  If you're 
not sure how much you may want of those picking something like a 64 gb might be 
a bit much if only because the price sounds intimidating to some people first 
starting out.  I don't know if I'm already giving you stuff you know or not 
here but apple usually upgrades iPhones iPods and such in september for release 
in October.  A lot of people just starting out will pick a smaller model of the 
phone, and then upgrade again in october after they've had time to learn a bit 
more about there iPhone and the types of things they will and won't use.  If 
this is something you think you would want to do, then picking the smallest 
model would be the best way to go if only because you won't have put a ton of 
money in to something you're upgrading in a few months anyway.  If though, you 
don't care to upgrade your iPhone in october and you're happy using it for the 
next 2 years, then picking a model that's bigger would be the way to go.  Hope 
this helps.

Peace,
Nick

On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Alan, I’m not sure this is any help, but I’ve just upgraded from a 16gb 
 Iphone4 to a 64gb Iphone5, and I’m really glad I did. Having said that I’m 
 not in the U
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Alan Lemly
 Sent: 04 February 2013 18:07
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model
  
 I joined this group yesterday since it's obvious that the iPhone and other 
 iDevices offer the most features and accessibility for those visually 
 impaired. I tend to avoid upgrading software on my Windows XP system since I 
 really don't like re-learning interface changes but I'm happy to learn new 
 things that will benefit me and it's past time to learn the iPhone and all 
 that if offers.
  
 I don't currently have any type of smart phone so I'm starting fresh both 
 with the device and a wireless plan. I live near Jackson, MS so it appears 
 that ATT offers the most extensive coverage and plan even if not the best 
 price. I'm looking for recommendations on whether to get the iPhone 4S which 
 ATT apparently only offers in a 16GB model or to get an iPhone 5 with more 
 memory capacity. I know this depends on each individual's personal use but I 
 figured I would tend to run more apps than sighted users to get additional 
 accessibility. I use the ZoomText screen reader and I know they have an 
 iPhone app and that there are also many other apps to choose from. My main 
 use of the iPhone will be taking advantage of its accessibility features in 
 identifying objects as my vision continues to decline and in accessing its 
 web and other data services as I begin to travel more.
  
 Can anyone offer suggestions on whether I should get a 4S model with 16GB 
 versus a higher capacity 5 model? I realize the 5 will cost more up front but 
 I can afford the cost if I get additional benefit. I have worked extensively 
 with computers since 1981 so I'm aware that spending more up front for 
 additional features and capacity is usually quickly justified with the rapid 
 technological expansion.
  
 Thanks for any help and I'm looking forward to tapping into the extensive 
 knowledge of this list.
  
 Alan Lemly
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RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Alan,

 

And just to add to the confusion, there are already rumours that Apple may
actually release a new iPhone in June again as they did in 2010 and before.
It was only the 4S in 2011 and the 5 last September which were released in
the fall and if you are not in a huge hurry, I think it wouldn't hurt to
wait maybe 6 or 8 weeks to see if those rumours persist.

 

Anyhow, as far as the 4S and 5 are concerned, I would absolutely advise
against the 4S. It's a very good phone, but to get a 4S at this late stage
would not be a good idea especially since as a new user you may want to
invest in some accessories like a dock, cases and so on and if you buy a 4S
with the old 30-Pin connector any accessories you buy will be outdated at
the point of purchase with respect to future iPhone releases as those will
all have the much smaller Lightning connector. And of course the processor
on the 5 is much faster, as Nicholas pointed out, the 5 has more RAM and
apart from the slightly larger screen it is thinner and lighter.

 

I have a 4S and while I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S I didn't upgrade to
the 5, but mostly because I want to upgrade when the new iPhone comes out
and getting a new phone every year does get pretty expensive. If I had still
been on my 4 or a new user I would absolutely have bought the iPhone 5.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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Re: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model

2013-02-04 Thread Mich
Hi Sieghard and all. just to add to this topic. Right now TELUS has a deal on 
where you can get the I phone 4s for 0 dollars' with a 67 dollar a month plan 
over a 2 year contract. this plan includes 200 daytime minnits 1 gig of data 
and a few other things. I went in and asked them about this today and they said 
that this offer was still on. I was thinking about getting this offer since I 
would not have to pay for the phone at least not up front I mean but after 
reading your msg I am re considering if it would just be better to go with the 
5 and pay the extra 100 something. since like you pointed out by the time you 
factor in cases and stuff for the iphone 4s you are using older tec. i would 
like your thoughts.  from Mich.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:38 AM
  Subject: RE: New Member Intro andHelp Needed Choosing iPhone Model


  Hi Alan,

   

  And just to add to the confusion, there are already rumours that Apple may 
actually release a new iPhone in June again as they did in 2010 and before. It 
was only the 4S in 2011 and the 5 last September which were released in the 
fall and if you are not in a huge hurry, I think it wouldn't hurt to wait maybe 
6 or 8 weeks to see if those rumours persist.

   

  Anyhow, as far as the 4S and 5 are concerned, I would absolutely advise 
against the 4S. It's a very good phone, but to get a 4S at this late stage 
would not be a good idea especially since as a new user you may want to invest 
in some accessories like a dock, cases and so on and if you buy a 4S with the 
old 30-Pin connector any accessories you buy will be outdated at the point of 
purchase with respect to future iPhone releases as those will all have the much 
smaller Lightning connector. And of course the processor on the 5 is much 
faster, as Nicholas pointed out, the 5 has more RAM and apart from the slightly 
larger screen it is thinner and lighter.

   

  I have a 4S and while I upgraded from the 4 to the 4S I didn't upgrade to the 
5, but mostly because I want to upgrade when the new iPhone comes out and 
getting a new phone every year does get pretty expensive. If I had still been 
on my 4 or a new user I would absolutely have bought the iPhone 5.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard


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