text grabber and prizmo
I was reading on the app store site and it seemed that the newest release of prizmo was a step backward and got a very negative review. Now to a question. Will either TextGrabber or Prizmo recognize text on rounded objects like cans or bottles. Also, In looking at camfind, reference was made to qr codes. I know bar codes but what are qr codes? Again, thanks for all the great info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: text grabber and prizmo
Hi Larry, I haven't used Prizmo or Text Grabber for rounded labels, but I find that another fantastic app and one I use almost more than Tap Tap See now is Talking Goggles. It has a video mode which means it continuously recognizes things as you move it and it will do short bits of OCR. I have used it very successfully on cans or medication bottles. As for QR codes, here is what Wikipedia says followed by the link to the full Wikipedia article: QR code (abbreviated from Quick Response Code) is the trademark for a type of matrix barcode (or two-dimensional barcode) first designed for the automotive industry in Japan. A barcode is an optically machine-readable label that is attached to an item and that records information related to that item. The information encoded by a QR code may be made up of four standardized types (modes) of data (numeric, alphanumeric, byte / binary, Kanji) or, through supported extensions, virtually any type of data. The QR Code system has become popular outside the automotive industry due to its fast readability and greater storage capacity compared to standard UPC barcodes. Applications include product tracking, item identification, time tracking, document management, general marketing, and much more. A QR code consists of black modules (square dots) arranged in a square grid on a white background, which can be read by an imaging device (such as a camera) and processed using Reed-Solomon error correction until the image can be appropriately interpreted; data is then extracted from patterns present in both horizontal and vertical components of the image. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: text grabber and prizmo I was reading on the app store site and it seemed that the newest release of prizmo was a step backward and got a very negative review. Now to a question. Will either TextGrabber or Prizmo recognize text on rounded objects like cans or bottles. Also, In looking at camfind, reference was made to qr codes. I know bar codes but what are qr codes? Again, thanks for all the great info. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Text Grabber or Prizmo?
I've been looking at Prizmo and Text Grabber but don't know which one to get. I'm also going to be getting a standscan pro on Friday and just wondering what people on the list have on suggestions with these two apps. I already have text detective and zoom reader. Thanks, Aaron Linson IOS and Android Accessibility Advocate Once an Eagle Always an Eagle On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson annefromo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sandy, Oh, I love those garlic doves! Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2013, at 13:30, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: This is one of the simplest recipes for stuffing tomatoes. All you have to do'is cut'the tomatoes in half and strew them with flavoured breadcrumbs. No• peeling or seeding is necessary. Just make sure that the tomatoes are cooked through, or you will end up with the sort of tomato that comes with your average provincial hotel breakfast: hard, warm and pitiful. 100 g fresh breadcrumbs 1 bunch flat-leaf parsley, leaves only 4 garlic doves, chopped thinly pared zest of 1 lemon, chopped 6tbsp olive oil 8 large ripe tomatoes, halved salt and freshly ground black pepper Place the breadcrumbs in a food-processor with the parsley, garlic and lemon zest. Process until well blended - the crumbs will turn a lovely green colour - but don't overwork or the mixture will become pasty. Pre-heat the oven to 350°F/i8o°C/gas mark 4. Smear a shallow gratin dish with some of the olive oil and arrange the tomato halves, cut side up, in the dish without crowding, and season with salt and pepper. Carefully spoon the breadcrumbs in little piles over each tomato, trying not to let any fall off. Generously dribble more olive oil over the tomatoes and bake in the oven for 30 to 40 minutes, or until the breadcrumbs have browned and the tomatoes are cooked through. Flash under a pre-heated grill, if necessary, to burnish further. Serve in the dish at room temperature. PLUM TOMATOES WITH ANCHOVIES AND BREADCRUMBS Serves 4 as a snack An idea from Nigel Slater, the Observer's cookery writer, for bringing slightly lacklustre tomatoes to life. 12 plum tomatoes 200 g fresh breadcrumbs 8 anchovy fillets, rinsed and chopped a handful of basil, shredded 2 garlic doves, peeled and crushed 6tbsp olive oil freshly ground black pepper Preheat the oven to 4Z5°F/zzo°C/gas mark 7. Slice the tomatoes in halfhorizontally. Scoop out the seeds into a bowl and reserve. Arrange the tomato halves, skin side down, in an oiled ovenproof dish. Mix the breadcrumbs, anchovies, basil, garlic and 2 (ablespoons of the olive oil into the tomato seeds and jelly. Season with black pepper then heap the stuffing into the tomatoes. Spoon over the remaining olive oii and bake for 20 to 25 minutes until the breadcrumbs are golden and crunchy. :!/ !l/y .^ / ^ ^ ^% ^ R K s% ' *.f £ a^w»nj»N» ^ IGKSX*» ^M» Utart » iNaif?nl«eiK a» l»!lì g%^ ]'li»ll.lL~ Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group
Re: Text Grabber or Prizmo?
As has been mentioned in previous posts it is suggested that you get both text grabber and prizmo. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Aaron Linson To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:59 AM Subject: Text Grabber or Prizmo? I've been looking at Prizmo and Text Grabber but don't know which one to get. I'm also going to be getting a standscan pro on Friday and just wondering what people on the list have on suggestions with these two apps. I already have text detective and zoom reader. Thanks, Aaron Linson IOS and Android Accessibility Advocate Once an Eagle Always an Eagle On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson annefromo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Sandy, Oh, I love those garlic doves! Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2013, at 13:30, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: This is one of the simplest recipes for stuffing tomatoes. All you have to do'is cut'the tomatoes in half and strew them with flavoured breadcrumbs. No• peeling or seeding is necessary. Just make sure that the tomatoes are cooked through, or you will end up with the sort of tomato that comes with your average provincial hotel breakfast: hard, warm and pitiful. 100 g fresh breadcrumbs 1 bunch flat-leaf parsley, leaves only 4 garlic doves, chopped thinly pared zest of 1 lemon, chopped 6tbsp olive oil 8 large ripe tomatoes, halved salt and freshly ground black pepper Place the breadcrumbs in a food-processor with the parsley, garlic and lemon zest. Process until well blended - the crumbs will turn a lovely green colour - but don't overwork or the mixture will become pasty. Pre-heat the oven to 350°F/i8o°C/gas mark 4. Smear a shallow gratin dish with some of the olive oil and arrange the tomato halves, cut side up, in the dish without crowding, and season with salt and pepper. Carefully spoon the breadcrumbs in little piles over each tomato, trying not to let any fall off. Generously dribble more olive oil over the tomatoes and bake in the oven for 30 to 40 minutes, or until the breadcrumbs have browned and the tomatoes are cooked through. Flash under a pre-heated grill, if necessary, to burnish further. Serve in the dish at room temperature. PLUM TOMATOES WITH ANCHOVIES AND BREADCRUMBS Serves 4 as a snack An idea from Nigel Slater, the Observer's cookery writer, for bringing slightly lacklustre tomatoes to life. 12 plum tomatoes 200 g fresh breadcrumbs 8 anchovy fillets, rinsed and chopped a handful of basil, shredded 2 garlic doves, peeled and crushed 6tbsp olive oil freshly ground black pepper Preheat the oven to 4Z5°F/zzo°C/gas mark 7. Slice the tomatoes in halfhorizontally. Scoop out the seeds into a bowl and reserve. Arrange the tomato halves, skin side down, in an oiled ovenproof dish. Mix the breadcrumbs, anchovies, basil, garlic and 2 (ablespoons of the olive oil into the tomato seeds and jelly. Season with black pepper then heap the stuffing into the tomatoes. Spoon over the remaining olive oii and bake for 20 to 25 minutes until the breadcrumbs are golden and crunchy. :!/ !l/y .^ / ^ ^ ^% ^ R K s% ' *.f £ a^w»nj»N» ^ IGKSX*» ^M» Utart » iNaif?nl«eiK a» l»!lì g%^ ]'li»ll.lL~ Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com
Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean I could follow the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda it should read half (so half a lemon). Also, when it says s minutes it should read 5. The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence. We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those years ago. I do know that kurtzwiel ahs improved since then, but our phones and OCR apps are catching up fast. The point of all this is to draw people's attention to the fact that not everything is about the right position of the phone and the lighting, it is also about software. So, here it is! f Tomato Soups ~ in the yoghurt. Taste and adjust the seasoning with salt, Tabasco, lemon juice and possibly, depending on the ripeness of the fruit, a little sugar. Pick the mint leaves from the stalks and chop very finely. Stir into the soup. Serve very cold. HOT SOUPS BLACK BEAN SOUP WITH TOMATO AND Serves 6-8 AVOCADO RELISH Black beans, not to be confused with black-eyed beans, are small, shiny and kidney-shaped. Their slightly sweet flavour is complemented by onions and garlic, goes well with coriander, cumin and tomatoes, and needs to be pepped up with chilli. This soup combines all those flavours and the result is an intriguingly aromatic, thick and chunky soup, freshened with a 'salad' of raw tomato and avocado seasoned with lemon juice. 4 tbsp vegetable oil 2 large onions, diced 4 garlic c(oves, chopped 1 tsp ground cumin 1 tsp ground coriander 1 tsp dried oregano 1 bay leaf 250 g dried black beans, soaked in water for at least 4 hours and drained 2 x 400 g tins italian tomatoes for ~he garnish 1 firm but ripe avocado, diced 1 tbsp lemon juice 2 plum tomatoes, cored, peeled, 1 tbsp tomato purde 1 scant tsp Tabasco a large bunch coriander (approximately 75 g), leaves only, chopped 1.75 litres hot water or vegetable stock salt and freshly ground black pepper ~,~ lemon seeded and diced 100 g soured cream a few coriander leaves Heat the oil in a large pan and saut6 the onion and garlic for several minutes until slippery but not coloured. Stir in the cumin, ground coriander, oregano and bay leaf, then add the beans. Cook, stirring constantly, for S minutes. Run a sharp knife through the tomatoes a few times while still in the tin and add them, with their liquid, the tomato pur~e, Tabasco and chopped coriander and the hot water or stock. Bring to the boil, turn down immediately and simmer very gently for 3 hours. Discard the bay leaf. Put half the soup in a food-processor or mouli-legumes. Pass the soup through a sieve, pressing down hard, into Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean I could follow the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda it should read half (so half a lemon). Also, when it says s minutes it should read 5. The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence. We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those years ago. I do know that kurtzwiel ahs improved since then, but our phones and OCR apps are catching up fast. The point of all this is to draw people's attention to the fact that not everything is about the right position of the phone and the lighting, it is also about software. So, here it is! f Tomato Soups ~ in the yoghurt. Taste and adjust the seasoning with salt, Tabasco, lemon juice and possibly, depending on the ripeness of the fruit, a little sugar. Pick the mint leaves from the stalks and chop very finely. Stir into the soup. Serve very cold. HOT SOUPS BLACK BEAN SOUP WITH TOMATO AND Serves 6-8 AVOCADO RELISH Black beans, not to be confused with black-eyed beans, are small, shiny and kidney-shaped. Their slightly sweet flavour is complemented by onions and garlic, goes well with coriander, cumin and tomatoes, and needs to be pepped up with chilli. This soup combines all those flavours and the result is an intriguingly aromatic, thick and chunky soup, freshened with a 'salad' of raw tomato and avocado seasoned with lemon juice. 4 tbsp vegetable oil 2 large onions, diced 4 garlic c(oves, chopped 1 tsp ground cumin 1 tsp ground coriander 1 tsp dried oregano 1 bay leaf 250 g dried black beans, soaked in water for at least 4 hours and drained 2 x 400 g tins italian tomatoes for ~he garnish 1 firm but ripe avocado, diced 1 tbsp lemon juice 2 plum tomatoes, cored, peeled, 1 tbsp tomato purde 1 scant tsp Tabasco a large bunch coriander (approximately 75 g), leaves only, chopped 1.75 litres hot water or vegetable stock salt and freshly ground black pepper ~,~ lemon seeded and diced 100 g soured cream a few coriander leaves Heat the oil in a large pan and saut6 the onion and garlic for several minutes until slippery but not coloured. Stir in the cumin, ground coriander, oregano and bay leaf, then add the beans. Cook, stirring constantly, for S minutes. Run a sharp knife through the tomatoes
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
You did not say which app gave you that very good result, or did miss something? Richard (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) On Mar 25, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean I could follow the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda it should read half (so half a lemon). Also, when it says s minutes it should read 5. The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence. We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those years ago. I do know that kurtzwiel ahs improved since then, but our phones and OCR apps are catching up fast. The point of all this is to draw people's attention to the fact that not everything is about the right position of the phone and the lighting, it is also about software. So, here it is! f Tomato Soups ~ in the yoghurt. Taste and adjust the seasoning with salt, Tabasco, lemon juice and possibly, depending on the ripeness of the fruit, a little sugar. Pick the mint leaves from the stalks and chop very finely. Stir into the soup. Serve very cold. HOT SOUPS BLACK BEAN SOUP WITH TOMATO AND Serves 6-8 AVOCADO RELISH Black beans, not to be confused with black-eyed beans, are small, shiny and kidney-shaped. Their slightly sweet flavour is complemented by onions and garlic, goes well with coriander, cumin and tomatoes, and needs to be pepped up with chilli. This soup combines all those flavours and the result is an intriguingly aromatic, thick and chunky soup, freshened with a 'salad' of raw tomato and avocado seasoned with lemon juice. 4 tbsp vegetable oil 2 large onions, diced 4 garlic c(oves, chopped 1 tsp ground cumin 1 tsp ground coriander 1 tsp dried oregano 1 bay leaf 250 g dried black beans, soaked in water for at least 4 hours and drained 2 x 400 g tins italian tomatoes for ~he garnish 1 firm but ripe avocado, diced 1 tbsp lemon juice 2 plum tomatoes, cored, peeled, 1 tbsp tomato purde 1 scant tsp Tabasco a large bunch coriander (approximately 75 g), leaves only, chopped 1.75 litres hot water or vegetable stock salt and freshly ground black pepper ~,~ lemon seeded and diced 100 g soured cream a few coriander leaves Heat the oil in a large pan and saut6 the onion and garlic for several minutes until slippery but not coloured. Stir in the cumin, ground coriander, oregano and bay leaf, then add the beans. Cook, stirring constantly, for S minutes. Run a sharp knife through the tomatoes a few times while still in the tin and add them, with their liquid, the tomato pur~e, Tabasco and chopped coriander and the hot water or stock. Bring to the boil, turn
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Hi Annie, It wasn't bad, was it? In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So, why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is, obviously, more to do with software than the physical nature of scanning. There wasn't much between the two, but I would suggest that having both apps will afford the best chance of getting perfect/near perfect scans depending upon the layout/formatting of the text. Also, if you are away from your StandScan pro, prizmo is still much easier to use, it is more forgiving of slight skewing of the text. Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces. E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the text. What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes, but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this IMHO. Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I could only get as proficient at actually cooking it! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean I could follow the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda it should read half (so half a lemon). Also, when it says s minutes it should read 5. The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence. We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those years ago. I do know
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
easier to use, it is more forgiving of slight skewing of the text. Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces. E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the text. What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes, but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this IMHO. Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I could only get as proficient at actually cooking it! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean I could follow the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda it should read half (so half a lemon). Also, when it says s minutes it should read 5. The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence. We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those years ago. I do know that kurtzwiel ahs improved since then, but our phones and OCR apps are catching up fast. The point of all this is to draw people's attention to the fact that not everything is about the right position of the phone and the lighting, it is also about software. So, here it is! f Tomato Soups ~ in the yoghurt. Taste and adjust the seasoning with salt, Tabasco, lemon juice and possibly, depending on the ripeness of the fruit, a little sugar. Pick the mint leaves from the stalks and chop very finely. Stir into the soup. Serve very cold. HOT SOUPS BLACK BEAN SOUP WITH TOMATO AND Serves 6-8 AVOCADO RELISH Black beans, not to be confused with black-eyed beans, are small, shiny and kidney-shaped. Their slightly sweet flavour is complemented by onions and garlic, goes well
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
I have done the same thing and actually thought about mentioning it as well. Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths. Hi Sandy, I am not sure that my comment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would pull the binding off so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking forward to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment with recipes. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, EileenHi Sandy, I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, Eileen Hi Sandy, I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, EileenSentHi Sandy, I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, EileenHi Sandy, I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, Eileen from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Annie, It wasn't bad, was it? In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So, why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is, obviously, more to do with software than the physical
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Fred, I don't think so. I think, were they to do so, it could work against us, as they might find themselves on tramlines, so that when we changed the nature of our reading material, they might try to turn Sherlock Holmes into a deep-pan pizza! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 13:34, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: Sandy, is it possible that these apps learn from scanning or not? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths. Hi Annie, It wasn't bad, was it? In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So, why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is, obviously, more to do with software than the physical nature of scanning. There wasn't much between the two, but I would suggest that having both apps will afford the best chance of getting perfect/near perfect scans depending upon the layout/formatting of the text. Also, if you are away from your StandScan pro, prizmo is still much easier to use, it is more forgiving of slight skewing of the text. Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces. E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the text. What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes, but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this IMHO. Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I could only get as proficient at actually cooking it! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat. With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my The Big Book of Tomatoes. I wanted results that would mean
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, EileenHi Sandy, I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to use Ocr on our iPhone. Best, Eileen from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Annie, It wasn't bad, was it? In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So, why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is, obviously, more to do with software than the physical nature of scanning. There wasn't much between the two, but I would suggest that having both apps will afford the best chance of getting perfect/near perfect scans depending upon the layout/formatting of the text. Also, if you are away from your StandScan pro, prizmo is still much easier to use, it is more forgiving of slight skewing of the text. Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces. E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the text. What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes, but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this IMHO. Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I could only get as proficient at actually cooking it! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring
Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Hi Sandy. It was very good, I guessed that it was prizmo that has made such a good result. I can tell a funny thing about scanning, a little offtopic, but interesting too. I had a very difficult cookbook, and my finereader pro 11 for windows, did not do very well, finereader 11 is one of the best programs for scanning. I bought prizmo for the mac for half of the normal price, I think it was about 150 dkk, I had saved that terrible cookbook as a picture, I scanned it with prizmo, I got some amazing results with numbers e.g. 1/2, other things where not as perfect, but that had more to do with the size of the scanned book, it was a3. Prizmo is an app that both on the mac and also on IOS has been developed a lot over short time, I expect a lot of that in the future. I hope my standscan pro will arrive some day, I will love to play with it. I hope that some days the scanning apps for the phone will scan perfumes creams and such things, that can be really difficult to get any results at all. Yes and tins too. What about barcodes? Can the standscan pro be of any help for locating and scanning barcodes a little quicker, it takes me a long time to get them located and scanned. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Annie, It wasn't bad, was it? In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So, why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is, obviously, more to do with software than the physical nature of scanning. There wasn't much between the two, but I would suggest that having both apps will afford the best chance of getting perfect/near perfect scans depending upon the layout/formatting of the text. Also, if you are away from your StandScan pro, prizmo is still much easier to use, it is more forgiving of slight skewing of the text. Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces. E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the text. What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes, but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this IMHO. Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I could only get as proficient at actually cooking it! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sandra. Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo. I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan. Best regards Annie. On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil. My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit, when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down onto a flat surface and gravity alone
