Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
At 01:45 am 21-02-05 -0600, you wrote: snip I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, should tell you something. Looking up YUSMAR I came across the following: === However, the speakers from the Russian Academy of Sciences are probably forgetting about the YUSMAR systems that first appeared in the Moldovan city of Chisinau. This technology has been patented in 42 countries. The YUSMAR system was tested several times in reliable research centers in Russia and the United States. It was discovered that the system produced about two kilowatts of heat per one kilowatt of consumed energy. This technology caused much dispute. Is it a perpetual-motion machine? Many scientists are convinced that this machine cannot operate -- but it does. Let's leave it for scientists to decide whether the machine can work or not. In the near future, the fantastic invention of the Volgograd research group will be realized. A Canadian company has already concluded a contract with Volgograd-s Scientific industrial center GRUS for production of a new type of power source. The company believes that this new technology can change the whole energy-supply system. These compact generators can continuously generate electricity and need no technical input: Their duration is unlimited. Thus, people having the appliance will obtain an electric-power station of their own that can be placed in the home or office. The power capacity of the new generator is three to ten kilowatts, which is quite enough for energy supply to an apartment or an office. === The report is 2 years old so don't hold your breath. ;-) Frank Grimer
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
thomas malloy wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Ed Storms responded' Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration and BS. The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in bubbles, not cold fusion. I don't understand how hot fusion in bubbles differs from what the other LERN researchers are doing, LENR describes nuclear reactions made to occur under conditions that conflict with all conventional experience and theory, while hot fusion in bubbles is normal high-energy fusion. I've always assumed that any induced nuclear reaction, other than lasers in a plasma, was an LENR. Particularly if it involved bubbles in a liquid, which I assume was water. Because of the Coulomb barrier, all nuclear reactions, excluding LENR and neutron reactions, require high energy. The discovery that such reactions can be initiated without high energy is the unique aspect of LENR. The rates are very low and the method would not work if power output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal using cavitation, yet this work is ignored. It is regrettable that the physics establishment ignores this research. OTOH, once commercially feasible amount of energy are produced, things will change. Unfortunately, commercial amounts of energy are impossible using this technique. The amount of energy generated by each bubble is just too small. Interesting observation. I've heard about inducing reactions by sonic stimulation of water. You're saying that the energy output for a reactions induced by what ever stimulation he was using will never go over unity, since you've studied it and I haven't, I'll take your word for it. I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, should tell you something. The Yusmar machine has been tested several times, once at LANL under the direction of Popatov, and none of the tests showed excess energy. However, as a method to convert electric energy to heat energy, it is very practical because it is simple and does not require maintenance. Russian water is frequently impure so that using a resistor for conversion results in build up of deposit that requires removal. This is the major reason the method is popular in Russia. Regards, Ed We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares. Ever the pessimist Guilty. In my defense, some times are more consistent with pessimism than others. This happens to be one of those times. Regards, Ed I know what you mean.
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
thomas malloy wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Ed Storms responded' I've been reading about the Yuri Popatov's Yusmar machine, which AFAIK, produces LENR's in an aquas solution by means of a vortex. Heat is a big item with Russians, and electricity costs something there too. The fact that he has lots of orders for the machines, should tell you something. The Yusmar machine has been tested several times, once at LANL under the direction of Popatov, and none of the tests showed excess energy. However, as a method to convert electric energy to heat energy, it is very practical because it is simple and does not require maintenance. Russian water is frequently impure so that using a resistor for conversion results in build up of deposit that requires removal. This is the major reason the method is popular in Russia. Regards, Ed Do you recall what the thermal efficiency that LANL observed was?
Re: Math Problem, humor (OT)
Uggh :)
RE: [OT] Naval Irony
Hi Terry. I laughed too when I saw this, then I got kind of annoyed. Naming a nuclear attack submarine like this after him is in poor taste at best. http://cryptome.org/mmp/jimmy-carter.htm As well, that the name should invoke some fear in the enemy; even the common swamp rabbit is nonplussed by this moniker. More on Carter's naval adventures here. http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/killer_rabbit.html ...including rare photos of the enraged lagomorph charging the presidential vessel, and the former president driving off the beast with some decidedly non-nuclear weaponry. ( of course, one might imagine some nuclear reactions occurring in the cavitation bubbles formed by all that splashing... ) K. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [OT] Naval Irony --- Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An attack sub named jimah: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-uss-jimmy-carter,1,7214089.story?coll=chi-news-hedctrack=1cset=true Forgot the excerpt: To ensure that the last Seawolf was not obsolete before it hit the water, the Pentagon delayed production to install a 100-foot hull extension that military analysts say equips the Jimmy Carter to replace the USS Parche, one of the fleet's premier spy subs. end What's 100 ft. long and makes you a spy? Oh! James! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Evangelical environmentalists
the thing to recognize also is that the evangelical christians are a minority of christians. being christian does not mean following falwell and robertson, believing that god created the earth in 7 days (i say to let people correct me, they love to) or that homosexuality is an abomination (as is eating shellfish, but you dont see constitutional ammendments banning red lobster). in fact, teh majority of Earth First, a very militant environmentalist group, is christian. they have prayer meetings for various environmental actions all teh time. On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:18:04 +, Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:20 pm 20-02-05 -0500, you wrote: snip I was born on the same day Israel was reborn. There is surely nothing prophetic in that, but it is a curious thing. Jeff Maybe there was something prophetic in that. As with all prophesies - only time will tell. 8-) Cheers Frank Grimer -- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write Voltaire
RE: [OT] Naval Irony
Note: forwarded message attached. Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! What will yours do?---BeginMessage--- Yea, I bet neither the crew nor the prez are too happy about it these days. Thanks for the web ref. I wondered how that bloody minisub got deployed so quickly in "Hunt for Red October". I don't know which story haunts James Earl Carter more, the rabbit or the UFO.Keith Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry.I laughed too when I saw this, then I got kind of annoyed.Naming a nuclear attack submarine like this after him is inpoor taste at best.http://cryptome.org/mmp/jimmy-carter.htmAs well, that the name should invoke some fear in the enemy;even the common swamp rabbit is nonplussed by this moniker.More on Carter's naval adventures here.http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/killer_rabbit.html...including rare photos of the enraged lagomorph chargingthe presidential vessel, and the former president drivingoff the beast with some decidedly non-nuclear weaponry.( of course, one might imagine some nuclear reactionsoccurring in the cavitation bubbles formed by all thatsplashing... )__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has th! e best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---End Message---
Re: NASA: Evidence of Life on Mars
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 16:52, Horace Heffner wrote: At 11:45 AM 2/16/5, Terry Blanton wrote: There, they finally said it: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_life_050216.html It's about time. However, they seem to be barking up the wrong tree, or is that down the wrong hole? Unless there is substantial vulcanism, or indigenous radiactivity, water based life is not going to live deep. It is too cold. Frozen critters don't metabolize well. Only the surface warms up. Water vapor does percolate to the shallow surface in sunshine. At least we saw evidence of what appeared to be that in the photos. Water based life must be right on top. No surprise there, the canals have been seasonally advancing and retreating for decades. Better to look for examples above the arctic circle than in Spain. Regards, Horace Heffner Hello All, Why be so sure that Mars is geologically dead. Anybody that works outside here on Earth knows that when one digs, one finds heat however low in intensity. The depth of frost penetration is a known engineering factor used in the design of foundations among other things. Any miner will tell you that when you dig deep into the Earth you find warmth, and the deeper you go, the warmer you get. Just digging less than six inches here in Michigan in the dead of winter and one will find unfrozen ground. Soil is high porosity so this is all the more 'remarkable' for the insulation provided by a little soil so easily defeats the coldest winter. It has been up to twenty below zero here and our lake probably has an ice depth of less than a foot! Like Jurassic Park's character Ian the chaos theory guy says: ...Life will find a way!. We have found life here living hundreds of feet below ground living on rocks! Life does not have to be the quintessential little green man of the 1950's asking to be taken to our leaders. Life can very well be very hardy microscopic plants and/or animals. In my humble opinion based on experiences on Earth, Mars rocks and streams aged and weathered the same way. Earth's oceans are an illusion of stability or difference depending on ones point of view when one considers that the average ocean depth of two miles is a very small fraction of the diameter of the planet. It has been said that Mars had an ocean as well. It might well had and is locked up in ice now and covered over by dust and breakdown erosion products now, else the Vallis Marinaris would be full of it. Who knows, maybe it really IS full of water that is covered by soils or dust layers. We have not really been there to dig. I will go out on a limb and bet a hundred bucks that if one was to have a base on Mars and be able to mine it, he/she would find increasing heat with depth on Mars just like on Earth. Furthermore, I bet the same that Mar's zone of freezing might prove to be shockingly shallow. If I wanted to find life on Mars, I would send an expedition to the deepest valley on the planet in the vicinity of the equator. The Vallis Marinaris seems to fit this nicely. Might also find large amounts of biogenerated methane. Just don't drive there in 'Da Yoopers' 'Rusty Chevrolet'.I light a match..to see da dash..an den I stardt to pray!.. Standing Bear I still remember those pix of Melis Chasma in the Vallis taken last summer with the green patches low on the walls of the canyon but still in the sunlight. Those low areas, just like Death Valley and the Rub 'al Kalee' here on Earth, will be the warmest places on that planet.
Re: [OT] Seasonal Adjustive Disorder
At 6:18 AM 2/21/5, Terry Blanton wrote: (Are you paying attention, Horace?) Yep, I'm here, now, if a bit late. This is truly SAD: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148207,00.html ANCHORAGE ó Anchorage (search) police said a woman upset about an impending break-up with her boyfriend cut off the man's penis and flushed it down a toilet. I figured it would become national news. More can be seen at: http://www.ktuu.com as well as other Alaskana. Fur Rendezvous week is now in session. This time of year was picked in part to let off some steam, to relieve some of that cabin fever, the local name for SAD, before break-up occurs, in Spring. When I came here in 1976 the streets froze over in early September and didn't thaw until break-up in April. Break-up used to be roughly a two week event of slushy streets and potholes in the ice. Now it seems to happen off and on all winter long. Regards, Horace Heffner
Incredible battery and TOE
One of the most frustrating things about the internet, especiallyto any alternative energy advocate who seeks to find, weed-outand support, in every reasonable way, or even try to replicate ... the *best reasonable* solutions available which address the looming fossil-fuel-reliance catastrophe is... 1) No, it is not the plethora of fly-by-night scam artists like GWE (Genesis) Dennis Lee, Gardner Watts, Tilley, Lutec,and the others documented by the (always over-inclusive) "crank" sites, like Kreig's: Those unscrupulous promoters who taint the entire field, by recognizing (as all good crooks can) - the 'johns' - the 'easypickin's' available when wealthy individuals who have a social consciousness (but do not have much sophistication in appreciating what is feasible and what is not feasible.) are out there. Caveat emptor. 2) No, it is not well-meaning, sometimes brilliantbut often self-deceived or at least hard-to-comprehend experimenters and theorists, who are not seeking financial gain, but yet are promoting ideas which are likely to be dead-end from the get-go. These go back to Leonardo da Vinci, Bernoulli, and even Isaac Newton. The problem here is separating the wheat from the chafe and often that involves personal viewpoints. No problem with that, either. It is well-documented that many of the greatest inventors, visionariesand creators throughout history have been borderline psychotic and see things that more focused scientists will miss. 3) No, its not theweb sites which specialize in rehashing old scams, alien technology, missed-opportunity-nostalgia,suppressed inventions and failed ventures like those of Keeley, Hamil, Hendershot, DePalma, etc. or in egregious over-optimism about every little puffed-up item which appears on the PR-sites or in the vanity press. These can be mildly humorous. Instead the really frustrating information is the tantalizing stuff which appears from brilliant, well funded, probably genius-level researchers like Mills/BLP who will publish tantalizing bits of apparently apocryphal (at least certainly unattainable in the short run) speculation, but cannot produce any real evidence to back it up, and then have the gall to claim "independent verification" when everyone who tires to duplicate it fails. More on the hydrino battery at the end. But first, to consolidate two postings on Mills into one: In case you were wondering:How heavy is everything:The initial mass of the Universe based on the size, age,Hubble constant, temperature, density of matter, and power spectrum is2 X 10^54 kg... give or take a few ouncesHow old is the universe? Infinitely old, as it oscillates ona long cycle but never collapses all the way:Thus, the observed Universe will expand as mass is releasedas photons for ~500,000,000,000 years to its maximum radiusof 2x10^12 light years.. At that point in its world-line,the Universe will obtain its maximum size and begin tocontract to its minimum radius of ~3x10^11 light years Immodest Conclusion:all fromthis TOE by Randall Mills Maxwell's equations, Planck's equation, the de Broglieequation, Newton's laws, and Special, and General Relativityare now Unified..If you have the time to download this amazing document, along with some very nice visualizations, over 100 pages and a tasty mixed-grill...then by all means, indulge yourself. There is a lot of potentially brilliant information here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember,if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps keep you 'regular'...this is mostly new from the BLP site.http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Theory%20Pres%20020905%20std%202.pdf To me, one of the more interesting images in this new material is the OS (orbitsphere) which now looks like a truncated sphere with both ends missing. Not what I had been thinking. Here is the tantalizing bit (not new, but certainly relevant to current threads on vortex about how to best way to store energy, especially wind and solar), for which Mills appears to be claiming as fact certain evidence which he has not produced, despite many appeals,and therefore likely cannot produce any time soon... but he hasn't removed or qualified the claims: Battery Comparison (from the BLP site) The energy density projection for BLP's battery is as high as 10,000+ watt-hours per kilogram. The voltage of BLP's battery may be 70 volts compared to the average voltage for a lithium-ion battery of 3.6 volts. BLP's battery compound may release about 100 times the energy and 1,000 plus times the power of any other conventional chemical used in batteries. If Mills could better document this, as well as many other of his claims, of if anyone could reproduce them independently there would be... not millions, not even a few billion, but tens of billionsof dollars available to develop the whole works. Instead,
Some Potapov at LANL highlights
At 10:46 AM 2/21/5, thomas malloy wrote [in the BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan] thread: Do you recall what the thermal efficiency that LANL observed was? It was measured 98 percent, which I assume includes a 2 percent error. Following or some hilights from the vrtex posts at the time. At 11:52 AM 2/13/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Japanese Yusmar Experiments. One of my friends is now at Wakabayashi-san, the professor of Japanese at our local University for a complete translation of the documents coming from FIELD CO. However I was able to understand the raw data for two experiments. The setup is with immersed pump plus a Yusmar in a metal container. The water is recirculated in the container. 1-st experiment. 300 liters of water are heated from 23.5 to 55.2 deg Celsius in 100 minutes. The motor takes 11.5 Amps. (380 Volts). 2-nd experiment. 150 liters of water are heated from 31.0 to 87.6 deg Celsius in 170 minutes. The motor takes 7.5 Amps. (380 Volts). If this is a normal 3-phase power system, the total volt-amp into the motor is given by (Sqrt 3) X V_line-line X I_line. In Exp. 1 this is (1.73)(380 V)(11.5 A) = 7.6 kVA, and in Exp. 2 it is 4.9 kVA. The thermal power is (sp. heat)(mass)(delta T)/time, if heat leaks are negligible. (If heat leaks were significant, then that fact should be mentioned; otherwise the data do not characterize the Yusmar.) In Exp. 1 the thermal power is (4185 j/kg/C)(300 kg)(31.7 C)/(6000 s) = 6600 j/s = 6.6 kW. In Exp. 2 the result is 3.5 kW. In neither experiment does the raw data support a claim of over unity. Michael J. Schaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 619-455-2841 Fax: 619-455-4156 General Atomics, PO Box 85606, San Diego CA 92186-9784, USA At 10:59 AM 7/24/96, Chris Tinsley wrote: Frank, Give my regards to Peter Glueck, who is a nice guy. But you should appreciate that whilst I wish you all good fortune with the Yusmar at LANL, Potapov took 'our' (Jed Rothwell's and Athur C Clarke's) good money for several of the devices and then *failed even to acknowledge* all our requests for assistance when they didn't work. And no help was forthcoming for the St Petersburg tests either. It is no good Peter telling you that we didn't do as we were supposed to do. Scott Little and Gene Mallove are not stupid people, they did their best with what information they received. Please explain to Peter and to Potapov that we are distinctly *unhappy* about the whole affair, since we acted in good faith which was not reciprocated. You should appreciate that we regard the present activities in the US with very mixed feelings. I suggest also that you communicate these matters to your business associates. I look forward to hearing the responses of those to whom you communicate these views. Chris At 5:12 PM 8/10/96, Ron McFee wrote: Greetings Vortejanos I am please to report that the Yusmar Company representatives Yuri Semionovich Potapov and his son Semion Yurievich Potapov are presently in Los Alamos, New Mexico to demonstrate one of their second generation Yusmar devices. The device is being set up according to the Potapovs' instructions, and we will begin diagnostics next week. Los Alamos National Laboratory has signed a limited non-disclosure agreement which I believe will allow full publication of the test results. Peter Glueck of Cluj, Romania has accompanied Yuri and Semion and is serving as advisor and interpreter. The device will have an input power of approximately 5.6 Kilowatts (7.5 HP) of three phase 220 Volt electricity to the motor and should according to Potapov predictions produce about 10 Kilowatts of thermal energy. These test are being conducted with limited discretionary resources by Los Alamos; the Yusmar, motor, pump and piping being the property of the Yusmar Company. Los Alamos is providing power, water, and diagnostic testing. The Yusmar was hand carried to Los Alamos by Yuri, the remainder of the device was procured locally and assembled in a private Los Alamos machine shop at Yusmar Company expense. Regards, Ron At 9:35 AM 8/19/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all John Barron and I are now at home. We had an enjoyable and busy trip at Los Alamos. We arrived at LanL Friday morning. What I treat. Double row fences around buildings with guard towers and signs that say, Warning do not cross fences buried explosives. I guess the whole area is land minded. We finally got into area 26 as guests of the Yusmar company. There we met Thomas Clator and Ron McFee two very nice people. We spent the day at LanL and completed several tests. Afterwords, Yuri invited us for dinner at Ron's house. Yuri cooked us up a fish dinner. It was very good. Yuri is a good cook. The next day we travel to Santa Fe to visit with Dr. Ed Storms. Ed was a very welcome host. He lives in a beautiful mansion on a the buff of a cliff that
Re: NASA: Evidence of Life on Mars
At 2:32 PM 2/21/5, Standing Bear wrote: On Wednesday 16 February 2005 16:52, Horace Heffner wrote: At 11:45 AM 2/16/5, Terry Blanton wrote: There, they finally said it: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_life_050216.html It's about time. However, they seem to be barking up the wrong tree, or is that down the wrong hole? Unless there is substantial vulcanism, or indigenous radiactivity, water based life is not going to live deep. It is too cold. Frozen critters don't metabolize well. Only the surface warms up. Water vapor does percolate to the shallow surface in sunshine. At least we saw evidence of what appeared to be that in the photos. Water based life must be right on top. No surprise there, the canals have been seasonally advancing and retreating for decades. Better to look for examples above the arctic circle than in Spain. Regards, Horace Heffner Hello All, Why be so sure that Mars is geologically dead. Mars is not geologically dead. There are clear signs of current vulcanism. The question at hand is whether there is substantial enough vulacanism that it can correlate with the wide areas of seasonal methane generation. Personally I doubt it. I think there is a good potential for life forms adapted to surface life presently. Anybody that works outside here on Earth knows that when one digs, one finds heat however low in intensity. The depth of frost penetration is a known engineering factor used in the design of foundations among other things. Any miner will tell you that when you dig deep into the Earth you find warmth, and the deeper you go, the warmer you get. Just digging less than six inches here in Michigan in the dead of winter and one will find unfrozen ground. The average surface temperature on Mars is way lower. Permafrost in the arctic, which is way warmer than Mars, can go downs hundreds of feet and never thaw - well, until these days. Down a few thousand feet where the oil is things are a bit hot though. Soil is high porosity so this is all the more 'remarkable' for the insulation provided by a little soil so easily defeats the coldest winter. It has been up to twenty below zero here and our lake probably has an ice depth of less than a foot! This would be different situation if there were Martian surface temperatures for millenia. Like Jurassic Park's character Ian the chaos theory guy says: ...Life will find a way!. Sound's reasonable! This also applies to surface conditions though, which periodically thaw and thus can support life, especially life capable of metabolizing sulfides. [snip other sensible stuff] Regards, Horace Heffner
Some Potapov at LANL highlights
Slight correction: At 10:46 AM 2/21/5, thomas malloy wrote [in the BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan] thread: Do you recall what the thermal efficiency that LANL observed was? It was measured 96 percent, which I assume includes a 4 percent error. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0800: Hi, [snip] here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember, if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps keep you 'regular'...this is mostly new from the BLP site. http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Theory%20Pres%20020905%20std%202.pdf The date forms part of the title. This is 2 1/2 years old. [snip] Here is the tantalizing bit (not new, but certainly relevant to current threads on vortex about how to best way to store energy, especially wind and solar), for which Mills appears to be claiming as fact certain evidence which he has not produced, despite many appeals, and therefore likely cannot produce any time soon... but he hasn't removed or qualified the claims: Battery Comparison (from the BLP site) The energy density projection for BLP's battery is as high as 10,000+ watt-hours per kilogram. The voltage of BLP's battery may be 70 volts compared to the average voltage for a lithium-ion battery of 3.6 volts. BLP's battery compound may release about 100 times the energy and 1,000 plus times the power of any other conventional chemical used in batteries. Personally, I doubt this will ever happen. The primary reason being that you don't get 70 V until n=1/16, by which time IMO, you get fusion instead, so there aren't going to be a whole lot of n=1/16 hydrinos lying around. Furthermore, the energy density is based on 70 V and the mass of the hydrino, if I don't miss my guess, but this appears to ignore the mass of the structural materials of the battery (but you may be able to make a battery that is qua volume and mass largely fuel). Besides, with disproportionation reactions probably taking place in any such battery, it's likely to overheat, and eventually, possibly explode. There is also the difficulty of working with hydrinos at multiple different levels of shrinkage concurrently, and the consequences this would have for battery voltage. If Mills could better document this, as well as many other of his claims, of if anyone could reproduce them independently there would be... not millions, not even a few billion, but tens of billions of dollars available to develop the whole works. Instead, what do we have? More fancy papers and more vacuous claims. The claim is years old. As time passes, Mills tends to leave these things on the back burner, and concentrate on what he believes is most likely to work best. If you want to benefit from his experience, then concentrate on what he is currently working on. At some point after 15 years of excuses, even his apologists are going to have to drop the spiel that these things always take longer to develop then people realize, and ask themselves why, if there is any truth to it, that the public should not demand government intervention, due to global warming and the impending crisis of artic methane poisoning, etc and commandeer this research (and pay Mills its worth, of course, after that has been determined) and incorporate it into a new Manhattan project. The public rarely demands action on matters so esoteric (to them). In fact 99% (at least) of the public, has never even heard of Mills. Most of those that have, are sitting back and waiting for him to do the hard work, then when he's got something that works well, someone will steal it. If Mills claims were true, and there are growing doubts from many former supporters, then the impending environmental crisis makes it that important... that we by-pass the reluctant inventor and get some real action going, rather than just more rhetoric and fancier papers and pdf presentations. There is nothing to stop others from doing development work. In fact there are a number of others who's work may well at least in part depend on hydrino formation (e.g. Betavolt), even if they are not aware of it (or in some cases don't believe it). The bottom line is that in the long run, hydrinos are going to be important primarily as a workable path to fusion and transmutation, the only direction in which Mills is loath to go (and possibly in some new materials). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
For neutron aficionados
Neutron aficionados will enjoy these papers by Menlove et al. from 1990 and 1991: MenloveHOlowbackgro.pdf MenloveHOreproducib.pdf Neutrons from titanium hydrides. - Jed
Sci. Am. comments on CF
See: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006colID=5articleID=00059015-99C5-1213-987F83414B7F011C PHYSICS Back to Square One Government review repeats cold fusion conclusions By Charles Q. Choi After 15 years, cold fusion got a second chance at legitimacy from the U.S. Department of Energy, often seen by cold fusion advocates as their greatest enemy. This rematch, many hoped, would vindicate the field or kill it once and for all. Instead history repeated itself, with a verdict that evidence remained inconclusive. Conventional physics holds that nuclear fusion ignites at multimillion-degree temperatures. In March 1989 controversy erupted when electrochemists Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons, then at the University of Utah, claimed room-temperature experiments with palladium electrodes in heavy water generated heat far in excess of any chemical reaction. The suggestion was that the deuterons--hydrogen nuclei bearing an extra neutron each--making up the heavy water were fusing
Re: For neutron aficionados
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell Neutron aficionados will enjoy these papers by Menlove et al. from 1990 and 1991: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MenloveHOlowbackgro.pdfMenloveHOlowbackgro.pdf Most interesting. Especially in regard to recent past postings and speculation about capturing ZPE energy from cryogenic cooling. Already, I am ready to put a unique spin on this one. That would involve the necessity, in some forms of CF, to use ZPE as a necessary step to achieve fusion, whether it be in BEC coherence or in mass increase or in epo interaction. The details appear in prior postings, but if anyone is interested, I can flesh it out again for this particular situation. It should be noted that only two of the samples showed remarkable levels of neutrons. In one Sample DD-17, please Note the definite cryogenic connection: We measured the highest neutron emission from sample DD-17. This sample contained 304 g of Ti (6,6,2) contained in a 1 L stainless steel (SS) sample bottle. The sample was degassed at a maximum of 230°C using helium to flush out the remaining air and cleaning agents. During the neutron measurements, LN temperature cycles were performed with a small amount (1 to 4 L) of D2 gas being absorbed during the warm-up from LN temperature. ***On the seventh LN cycle, 17 L of D2 were accidentally added to the sample while at LN temperature.*** About 1 h into the warm-up, a portion of the Ti chips went into a hot exothermic reaction excursion when all of the gas was absorbed in about 15 s. A localized spot on one side of the SS bottle was hot; the rest of the bottle was still covered with frost. The bottle was immediately dunked into LN for 10 min and then removed from the LN and allowed to warm up in the detector. This could be evidence of slight mass increase deriving from increased exposure to cryogenic temperature. Too bad they are not working on this any longer. I would suspect that if they were to cold-temper the Ti at liquid He temperatures, and for an extended period, that they would get much more impressive levels of neutrons. But that is just my spin (and probably that of Frederick Sparber as well). Jones
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
Robin wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:58:28 -0800: Hi, [snip] here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember, if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps keep you 'regular'...this is mostly new from the BLP site. http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Theory%20Pres%20020905%20std%202.pdf The date forms part of the title. This is 2 1/2 years old. [snip] Here is the tantalizing bit (not new, but certainly relevant to current threads on vortex about how to best way to store energy, especially wind and solar), for which Mills appears to be claiming as fact certain evidence which he has not produced, despite many appeals, and therefore likely cannot produce any time soon... but he hasn't removed or qualified the claims: Battery Comparison (from the BLP site) The energy density projection for BLP's battery is as high as 10,000+ watt-hours per kilogram. The voltage of BLP's battery may be 70 volts compared to the average voltage for a lithium-ion battery of 3.6 volts. BLP's battery compound may release about 100 times the energy and 1,000 plus times the power of any other conventional chemical used in batteries. Personally, I doubt this will ever happen. The primary reason being that you don't get 70 V until n=1/16, by which time IMO, you get fusion instead, so there aren't going to be a whole lot of n=1/16 hydrinos lying around. Furthermore, the energy density is based on 70 V and the mass of the hydrino, if I don't miss my guess, but this appears to ignore the mass of the structural materials of the battery (but you may be able to make a battery that is qua volume and mass largely fuel). Besides, with disproportionation reactions probably taking place in any such battery, it's likely to overheat, and eventually, possibly explode. There is also the difficulty of working with hydrinos at multiple different levels of shrinkage concurrently, and the consequences this would have for battery voltage. MC: A few years back, I had a visit with Mills in his conference room to introduce an overseas visitor who wanted to meet him. In the course of the conversation he said he would be happy with a battery that is twice as good as the popular lithium-ion cell. A long shot from the p=16 battery. I think there have been a few chemical demosntrations along the way. But before any of this can be remotely feasible there has to be a source of lots of pure hydrinos. You get that when hundreds or thousands of BLP reactors are running and hydrino hydrides are collected as byproducts. There is no point in pounding the drum for the BLP battery when the necessary ingredients are not available. There is no point on dwelling on P=16, P=2,3,4,5,6,7 will do just fine as well, and these have been seen in the spectra of reactors. Mills has reported that the reactor gas can be liquefied at liquid nitrogen temperatures, so fractionl distillation is available as a means of purification. There may be a family of batteries with different terminal voltages. If any of this comes to pass, it could make an immense difference in the performance of hybrid cars and lots of other systems as well. If Mills could better document this, as well as many other of his claims, of if anyone could reproduce them independently there would be... not millions, not even a few billion, but tens of billions of dollars available to develop the whole works. Instead, what do we have? More fancy papers and more vacuous claims. If one is not allergic to Mills' name on a paper, independent reproduction will be found in papers by Phillips and Conrads, in New Mexico and Germany, respectively. The claim is years old. As time passes, Mills tends to leave these things on the back burner, and concentrate on what he believes is most likely to work best. If you want to benefit from his experience, then concentrate on what he is currently working on. At some point after 15 years of excuses, even his apologists are going to have to drop the spiel that these things always take longer to develop then people realize, and ask themselves why, if there is any truth to it, that the public should not demand government intervention, due to global warming and the impending crisis of artic methane poisoning, etc and commandeer this research (and pay Mills its worth, of course, after that has been determined) and incorporate it into a new Manhattan project. And just how will this hasten the day, when people like Zimmerman, Baron, Pibel, and Rabitt all agree that the orbitsphere model is terminally faulty [despite the computer animations now on the website]? I am an unabashed apologist for Mills, having paid close attention to his work and noted repreatedly that there is a big gap between his reports and viable commercial systems. If you pay close attention you will see that Mills is systematically building a fortress of patents
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
I just finished with Robin and I find some of the same ideas here form Jones. (Deep breath) here we go again: snip Instead the really frustrating information is the tantalizing stuff which appears from brilliant, well funded, probably genius-level researchers like Mills/BLP who will publish tantalizing bits of apparently apocryphal (at least certainly unattainable in the short run) speculation, but cannot produce any real evidence to back it up, and then have the gall to claim independent verification when everyone who tries to duplicate it fails. MC: Jones, I thought you were more perceptive than everyone who tries to duplicate it fails Who, precisely? Are you referring to the JAP paper the purportedly repeated Mills' H-Ar plasma runs without seeing the Balmer line broadening? Did you not follow my discussion of this on HSG,wherein I quoted Mills that conditions cited (pulsed high power exicitation) had not worked for him either. What Mills used was lower CW excitation, which did work, but that is not what the others did. They failed by not actually duplicating what Mills did, which is clearly spelled out in his own paper. MC: Duplication of Mills work is found in the Phillips papers and that of Conrads in Germany. Mills' name is on these papers as junior author as courtesy. That does not invalidate the work. I have also read the Master's thesis of Dr, Jansson, of Rowan University, which consisted of his own test of the BLP phenomenon using a calorimater from BLP. More on the hydrino battery at the end. But first, to consolidate two postings on Mills into one: In case you were wondering: How heavy is everything: The initial mass of the Universe based on the size, age, Hubble constant, temperature, density of matter, and power spectrum is 2 X 10^54 kg... give or take a few ounces How old is the universe? Infinitely old, as it oscillates on a long cycle but never collapses all the way: Thus, the observed Universe will expand as mass is released as photons for ~500,000,000,000 years to its maximum radius of 2x10^12 light years.. At that point in its world-line, the Universe will obtain its maximum size and begin to contract to its minimum radius of ~3x10^11 light years Immodest Conclusion: all from this TOE by Randall Mills Maxwell's equations, Planck's equation, the de Broglie equation, Newton's laws, and Special, and General Relativity are now Unified.. If you have the time to download this amazing document, along with some very nice visualizations, over 100 pages and a tasty mixed-grill... then by all means, indulge yourself. There is a lot of potentially brilliant information here, mixed in with lots of potential BS. Caveat Lector. But remember, if you do not adequately separate the wheat from the chafe... well, you get the extra fiber, so that is not all bad, and helps keep you 'regular'...this is mostly new from the BLP site. MC: One can make a clear distiction, as I have, from Mills' TOE and the body of experimental work based on the so-called sub quantum stae of the hydrogen atom. Mills' papers in senior journals, and his latest patent application, do not depend on the orbitsphere model, now well illustrated on the website. http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Theory%20Pres%20020905%20std%202.pdf To me, one of the more interesting images in this new material is the OS (orbitsphere) which now looks like a truncated sphere with both ends missing. Not what I had been thinking. Here is the tantalizing bit (not new, but certainly relevant to current threads on vortex about how to best way to store energy, especially wind and solar), for which Mills appears to be claiming as fact certain evidence which he has not produced, despite many appeals, and therefore likely cannot produce any time soon... but he hasn't removed or qualified the claims: Battery Comparison (from the BLP site) The energy density projection for BLP's battery is as high as 10,000+ watt-hours per kilogram. The voltage of BLP's battery may be 70 volts compared to the average voltage for a lithium-ion battery of 3.6 volts. BLP's battery compound may release about 100 times the energy and 1,000 plus times the power of any other conventional chemical used in batteries. If Mills could better document this, as well as many other of his claims, of if anyone could reproduce them independently there would be... not millions, not even a few billion, but tens of billions of dollars available to develop the whole works. Instead, what do we have? More fancy papers and more vacuous claims. At some point after 15 years of excuses, even his apologists are going to have to drop the spiel that these things always take longer to develop then people realize, and ask themselves why, if there is any truth to it, that the public should not demand government intervention, due to global warming and the impending crisis of artic methane poisoning, etc and commandeer this research (and pay Mills its worth, of course, after that has been
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
Mike, Mills' is reluctant to have any association with CF, LENR, CANR and nuclear phenomena. Does that sound rational to you? Does that sound like the well-considered logic of a person committed to solving our looming ecological crisis? The cynic might say that it sounds more like an egoist being either selfish, or very deceptive. Does not any executive's responsibilities go beyond the stockholders to society at large? MC: His path is alliances with large corporations where he appears as the consummate businessman with valuable patents which he can and will defend. OK. What large corporation has signed-on to develop, or to produce, a BLP product? He need convince only CEOs and their immediate technical staffs, not the public, nor members of vortex or HSG. Has he convinced any CEO to become a manufacturing partner? He tried successfully to convince Capstone, the cutting-edge manufacturer of micro-turbines, and they were ready willing and able, but Mills could not deliver on his end - after saying publicly in 1998 that he expected a commercial product in 18 months. He also said in interviews 8 years ago that he was going public soon. The problem is, if you go public, then you can no longer hide behind a veil of secrecy. Isn't that the real reason why he has not done so? And BTW, has BLP not had at least one major defection from the board of directors? MC: No doubt when it becomes real there will be a rush of imitators. But how many years of patent protection will be left by then? I think the point that you are minimizing here, is not the plodding pace of progress from BLP, but the urgency of doing something meaningful in a national or worldwide effort to begin to eliminate CO2 before it, in effect, eliminates us. If it requires BLP to use deuterium, then you bite the bullet and use deuterium. If it requires you to deal with the NRC, then you deal with the NRC. It is as simple as that. He has been using nuclear materials, and dealing with NRC in his medical research for 20 years. This no-NRC excuse is a big pile of stinking crapola, IMHO. The real point is that if it requires another 15 years for BLP to get a hydrogen-only product to market, then there may be no market left to buy it. OTOH, if it turns out that BLP *could have had* a Capstone turbine product on the market in 2000, one that did use deuterium and did require a license form the NRC, but that Mills did not do this for ego-reasons, then he could share real moral culpability for that little ego-trip. Especially if it turns out that a hydrogen-only product is not do-able at all but that a deuterium-fueled product would have staved-off what will, without question, be a global catastrophe if we delay progress into the next generation. Artic warming is a gigantic risk, a risk of extinction threatening all life on earth, unless something is done soon. This artic methane-release connection is a ticking-time-bomb, and if genius-level people like Mills cannot appreciate that, then our grandchildren, and his, will have no real future, maybe even no survival. Jones
Good shot, Dr. Gonzo
I suspect most Vorts are fans of Jules Verne and Arthur C. Clark, even if they are not whole-heartedly into Sci-Fi. Those two prophetshave shown us that good Sci-Fi easily presages real technological progress. Two other candidates, coming in from the cold, arenames to add to that list of Sci-Fi visionaries who "coulda" invented something useful, given the resources. Neal Stephenson is one of them. In"Snow Crash," there were "Smartwheels"... Now, notlong after that story appeared, we have non-pneumatic Snow Crash-like wheels from Michelin: http://www.gizmag.com/go/3603/ Each one consists of a hub with many telescoping spring-like spokes, andwith anormal rubber tread on the bottom to smooth things out. It took much longer for Verne's visions to materialize than Stephenson's, and that may mean something. The other great Sci-Fi visionary worth mentioning,is Kurt Vonnegut. Isice-nine (from Cat's Cradle) a possible threat to the world, or is it the possible savior of humanity ? Vonnegut, the master of the surreal, would never let you know directly, would he? For those non-Vonnegut fans on Vortex, ice-9 is both real and fictional - it is acrystalline form of high density solid water which isstable... http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html ...at and above normal ambient temperatures (at high pressure) and which is entropicallyfavorable to liquid water - the idea being that a small seed of ice-9 would quickly solidify any liquid water it contacted, and in the Oceans it would sink rather than rise,following which, anice age would set-in and all life would freeze into not extinction, but something frosty. For the reason that ice-9 could be a trickster... and Savior, not Destroyer, one must realize that this very phase structure could be a relic of how ZPE effects are translated into normal reality - and can then be engineered to become a possible solution tothe world's impending crisis of methane poisoning...or not. Stay tuned. First, I have to get over a very brief mourning period for Dr. Gonzo. Can anyone spell nanosecond. I heard that Rush Bimbo said that "at least he was a good shot!". But what else can you expect for a relapsing junkie? Hunter would say, takes one to know one Rush, want to borrow my revolver... (please!!) There is no doubt that Hunter liberally borrowed fromVonnegut's juxtaposition of the surreal, combined with a large dose very twisted humor. "The marker was an alabaster phallus twenty feet high and three feet thick" , Vonnegut crows, inviting you to stand in the cold with him and wonder with the driver, exactly what in hell is going onHunter could probably answer that one now. And he is probably very cold in the thin air of Colorado... ...thanks for the laughs, Dr. G. Jones
