RE: OFF topic but important
Ed, If you believe the government (whomever is in office) can come clean about anything you have an idealistic viewpoint. It's all strategic positioning. The public is sold a story it can swallow. The world is not shown the cards in our hand. We invaded Iraq to get out of Saudia Arabia. We wanted regional capability to protect an energy supply and give us leverage over other countries. Also, it painted a big red target for future attacks away from US soil. Saddam picked the short straw because he was easiest to build a bad-guy case against. We knew about the WMD and the military capability he had because WE gave the technology and sold him the weapon systems to fight Iran. We also knew that capability was non-existent but dormant and waiting for any opportunity and in-flux of cash. France, Germany, and Russia did not object because of moral high ground, they objected because they were Saddam's biggest creditors and customers. If he went down, they wouldn't get paid. Worse yet, the US would be calling the shots on their fuel lines. Oil prices are going up because that is one key source of money for funding Iraq... An indirect tax that does not need to get voted on or debated. As for the dollar, it's being allowed to devalue to address trade deficits and indirectly attack China for pegging their economy to it. It is a play thing, not a true metric of the heath or capability of the US. It's all strategic positioning, economic and military. You will NEVER be told the game plan. I sincerely doubt even the president knows it all... Some elements of the government never change with/by elections. -john (the cynic) -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OFF topic but important Dear Tom, I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate. However, our country is in serious trouble, not just because of the Iraq war. Unless voters look beyond the propaganda used by the government and accept some basic principles based on truth, we all are going to pay a very high price. You might reject this warning as personal ravings of a liberal or of the uninformed. Nevertheless, I strongly suggest you read "The Demise of the Dollar" by Addison Wiggin to understand the financial issues. You only need to follow the Iraq war on TV to know enough about that sorry issue to be very concerned. These are only two of the many issues you need to understand before you can properly evaluate our leaders and know where they are taking us all, both conservatives and liberals. Everyone wants to trust our president and the government. Everyone wants to believe that we as a nation are doing the right thing. Many people want to believe that our affluence will continue and be a testament to our Christian beliefs. However, what happens when the leadership leads us away from these goals and lies about their actions? What happens when the goals of the leadership are different from the goals of ordinary people? When this happens in a democracy, the leaders are voted out of office or are impeached. Unfortunately, most people do not know what is happening because they are blinded by such arguments as you use below. Consider the facts. The reasons Bush used to attack Iraq have been shown to be wrong - no WMD, no relationship to 9/11, no terrorists in Iraq, and no nuclear weapons program. After he attacked, the results were not what he expected - no friendly welcome, no extra oil for our use, and no increased stability in the region. Because of his ignorance, insufficient troops were sent in spite of warnings by the generals. As a result, the country is on the brink of civil war, thousands of our troops have been killed or injured, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, the infrastructure of the country has collapsed, and the area has become a training ground for more terrorists. I ask you, how much incompetence are you willing to accept? How much support do you want to give a government that shows an inability to deal with reality on a grand scale? How high a price are you willing to pay to achieve the goals the government is pursuing? Are you willing to have your loved ones die? Are you willing to have your kids educated in poorer schools or have no medical care because the money is used to blowup Iraq? The government says that if we don't do this, we will experience even worse in the future. What if they are wrong? We were given the same kind of arguments about why we could not withdraw from Vietnam - if we did all of Southeast Asia would become communist, the so called domino effect. This did not happen. We were told that objecting to the war was giving comfort to the enemy and putting our troops at risk. We were kicked out not because the antiwar people gave comfort but because our leaders underestimated the strength and determination of the No
Re: Beta-Atmosphere
At 04:48 pm 25/08/2005 -0400, Terry wrote: >>> From: Grimer >> >>> Also, I searched the site with "Herda" and got nada - so I am at a >>> complete loss as to what you are on about. 8-) >> >>I'm sure Tom meant Haisch and Rueda. >> >>http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9802031 > > > Thanks for the info. Terry. > > Neither of those names appear on the B-atm. Yahoo site either. > > In the Vortex archives there is only one reference to > Haisch and Rueda, and this is in a post by Jones on > Sat, 05 Mar 2005. Re-reading that post, and as far as I can understand it, I would say that Jones and I are following the same star across the desert, albeit from very different starting points. Hopefully we will both eventually arrive at the same destination. Cheers, Frank Grimer
Re: Beta-Atmosphere
At 04:48 pm 25/08/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> From: Grimer > >> Also, I searched the site with "Herda" and got nada - so I am at a >> complete loss as to what you are on about. 8-) > >I'm sure Tom meant Haisch and Rueda. > >http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9802031 Thanks for the info. Terry. Neither of those names appear on the B-atm. Yahoo site either. Even in the Vortex archives there is only one reference to Haisch and Rueda, and this is in a post by Jones on Sat, 05 Mar 2005 where he says, === Unlike Puthoff, Sarfatti, Haisch, Rueda, etc Don can bring his thinking, and Dirac's mathematics, down to earth in understandable English. Actually Puthoff 'can' do this as well, but seldom does. Donald's writing style is so clear and logical, that one often scarcely realizes how deep into a precise understanding of complex math that he can take you. His Dirac articles are published in 'Infinite Energy' issues 43 and 44, available at : www.infinite-energy.com www.openseti.org. This broadening of Dirac by Hotson is the only causal, *direct-contact model* of the EM field with ZPE which is out there, at least in accessible non-mathematical form. === Frank
RE: The Aluminium Battery
Holy crap - and I thought 40% efficiency from the zinc air battery was lousy. I thought that 20% efficiency was pretty bad too. Can a battery be made outta stuff that's highly reactive? Like aluminum and bromine? Yes. Do a web search under aluminium battery I guess that's the limiting factor with chemical batteries - heat. I wonder if there's any way to reduce the heat output while pushing more electrons?
Re: Beta-Atmosphere
> From: Grimer > Also, I searched the site with "Herda" and got nada - so I am at a > complete loss as to what you are on about. 8-) I'm sure Tom meant Haisch and Rueda. http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9802031
Re: Beta-Atmosphere
At 12:26 pm 25/08/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I visited the Beta-Atmosphere newsgroup on Yahoo. I noticed two >familiar names, Jones Beene and Frank Grimer, and a subscribe link. I >would be interested in reading more about it, but more email is not >what I need. Nor what any of us need - I can assure you. 8-) You sound as though you are unfamiliar with the nature of Yahoo sites. I'm afraid that to get at the files you have to have a Yahoo identity (I assure you getting one is quite painless) and choose a pass-word. You then subscribe to a particular site and in the case of the B-atm site your subscription in automatically accepted. In setting up your subscription you can opt for no e-mails and once you have read what you want to you can unsubscribe yourself from the group - and also from Yahoo itself if you are that worried - not that I have ever noticed Yahoo sending me any mail other than from the groups I have both subscribed to and asked of mail. >I assume that the link that someone posted with the article about the >theories of Herda and Raash; on the ZPE's being responsible for >inertia, was related to Beta-Atmosphere. That sounds like some of Yahoo's advertising to me. It ain't anything to do with the Beta-atmosphere. If you click on the B-atm links section in the left hand column you will see that it is empty. Also, I searched the site with "Herda" and got nada - so I am at a complete loss as to what you are on about. 8-) Frank
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
At 01:50 pm 25/08/2005 -0500, Harry wrote: > So far Yahoo has only allowed me to download a few pages from your paper. I must confess I never had any problems downloading stuff from Yahoo sites. Perhaps someone was downloading stuff at the same time. If you keep having problems let me know and I will send you the relevant stuff as attachments to e-mails. This is what I did for Beene and though my line is only a 56 Jones has a fast one so it downloaded at his end like lightning. > This is just a suggestion, but it seems to me the focus of your theory > should be the nature of charge instead of mass. In other words > charge is an inverse velocity and not mass. Maybe they are both functions of velocity at different scales, eh! 8-) > I say this for two reasons. First you are concerned with the strength of > materials which is an electromagnetic phenomena and secondly by choosing the > velocity of light as a datum you have chosen another electromagnetic > phenomena. Fair point. Frank
RE: The Aluminium Battery
Holy crap - and I thought 40% efficiency from the zinc air battery was lousy. Can a battery be made outta stuff that's highly reactive? Like aluminum and bromine? I guess that's the limiting factor with chemical batteries - heat. I wonder if there's any way to reduce the heat output while pushing more electrons? -Original Message- From: thomas malloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: The Aluminium Battery I contacted Electropositronium. I received an executive summary and a .pdf encrypted file which shows an anode and a cathode with various sized balls in between. I assume that the balls are the nanostructures that make the system work. They also included a discussion of the amount of energy that the system could hold. It assumed an efficiency of 20%. I assume that this is because only 20% of the available aluminium reacts. Batteries get warm when they charge and discharge, but not that warm.
The Aluminium Battery
I contacted Electropositronium. I received an executive summary and a .pdf encrypted file which shows an anode and a cathode with various sized balls in between. I assume that the balls are the nanostructures that make the system work. They also included a discussion of the amount of energy that the system could hold. It assumed an efficiency of 20%. I assume that this is because only 20% of the available aluminium reacts. Batteries get warm when they charge and discharge, but not that warm.
BLP on the IOP website
Someone posted the following URL, http://www.iop.org/EJ/njp . The post intimated that the webmaster was mentioning BLP on the website. I visited the website and failed to notice any mention of BLP.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
Frank Grimer wrote: >> >> The same criticism could apply to your notions of >> negative and positive mass. > > Absolutely 8-). You are so right. 8-) > > I am using a conventional datum cos there is only so much > cognitive dissonance that people can cope with at one sitting. > > As I have pointed out in a previous post, both Ing.Saviour and > I have independently realised that mass has the dimensions of > an inverse velocity so when mass goes to infinity the mass > "temperature" drops to zero. The velocity of light it the correct > datum for measuring the inverse of mass (which is an internal > velocity just like temperature but on a finer scale). > > I am in the process of copying the internal BRS note which deals > with this aspect from Saviour's blazelabs Yahoo site to the > Beta-atmosphere Yahoo site where you will soon be able to > read it. So far Yahoo has only allowed me to download a few pages from your paper. This is just a suggestion, but it seems to me the focus of your theory should be the nature of charge instead of mass. In other words charge is an inverse velocity and not mass. I say this for two reasons. First you are concerned with the strength of materials which is an electromagnetic phenomena and secondly by choosing the velocity of light as a datum you have chosen another electromagnetic phenomena. Harry
Beta-Atmosphere
I visited the Beta-Atmosphere newsgroup on Yahoo. I noticed two familiar names, Jones Beene and Frank Grimer, and a subscribe link. I would be interested in reading more about it, but more email is not what I need. I assume that the link that someone posted with the article about the theories of Herda and Raash; on the ZPE's being responsible for inertia, was related to Beta-Atmosphere.
[OT] Intelligent Falling
Vo, Andreas Rathke at ESA is good and he recommended the following on ZP and BLP: "Comment on Zero-point Fluctuations and The Cosmological Constant", Michel F.C., Astrophysical Journal, 466:660-667, 1996 New J. Phys. 7 127, Andreas Rathke: http://www.iop.org/EJ/njp *He is* a theoretician. Regards, R. ... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ...
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
Grimer wrote.. I've been puzzling over how Hutchison manages to get such spectacular effects from his claimed relatively small energy input. It occurs to me that a vortex ring (VR) is a combination of a B-atm. expansion strain energy (negative energy)and a B-atm. contraction strain energy (positive energy). Come to think of it, the formation of a vortex ring is very reminiscent of what's going on in the Hilsch Tube (HT). The HT separates the Quick and the Dead 8-) The VR separates the Linear and the Transverse. Frank, On a grander scale the tidal action of the seas and the four winds of earth describe the available energy for use should we be fortunate in devising a harness for applying the " differential" as Hutchinson so described his " spectacular" results. Surely forces at work are so in order to maintain a " balance" and a "harmony" in our know universe. Attempts to " unbalance" these forces are met with " resistance". Scripture states [ all things are held together by the power of His word]. To me, this means that order has been established. However, it does not mean we cannot put the wind energy to practical use to " sail" rather than " row", Surely or Maker has made everything in His creation for our use. Please continue to expand on the big "B" theme. Richard
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
> From: Terry Blanton Sorry for the double posts. Itchy trigger finger.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
> From: "RC Macaulay" > Thanks for the link on the Cooper River Bridge.. a work of art and > engineering.Presume you had a hand in design hopefully. Being in communications my participation is usually limited to CCTV and other systems. My friend said that although the CRB cost two years worth of SCDOT's highway funds, it met their criteria that it be better looking than the Savannah River Bridge: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/US17_Savannah_River_Br1.jpg > I have been saving every scrap of info on Grimer and Jones post regarding > the big "B" as I name the file. awesome stuff, including the vortex ring > that blew my mind. I must admit, I never could fathom the Hutchison Effect before Grimer's vortex ring analogy. One of my favorite toys as a kid was the Air Blaster, a gun that shot vortex rings.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
> From: "RC Macaulay" > Thanks for the link on the Cooper River Bridge.. a work of art and > engineering.Presume you had a hand in design hopefully. Being in communications my participation is usually limited to CCTV and other systems. My friend said that although the CRB cost two years worth of SCDOT's highway funds, it met their criteria that it be better looking than the Savannah River Bridge: http://www.roadstothefuture.com/US17_Savannah_River_Br1.jpg > I have been saving every scrap of info on Grimer and Jones post regarding > the big "B" as I name the file. awesome stuff, including the vortex ring > that blew my mind. I must admit, I never could fathom the Hutchison Effect before Grimer's vortex ring analogy. One of my favorite toys as a kid was the Air Blaster, a gun that shot vortex rings.
Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
I've been puzzling over how Hutchison manages to
get such spectacular effects from his claimed
relatively small energy input.
It occurs to me that a vortex ring (VR) is a
combination of a B-atm. expansion strain energy
(negative energy)and a B-atm. contraction strain
energy (positive energy).
Come to think of it, the formation of a vortex
ring is very reminiscent of what's going on in
the Hilsch Tube (HT).
The HT separates the Quick and the Dead 8-)
The VR separates the Linear and the Transverse.
Now if we are combining a positive and a negative
energy we only need to supply the difference.
It is as though the wheat and the cockle are at
each and of a see-saw. One only had to provide a
small amount of energy to divide them into quite
distinct populations.
Perhaps the Maxwell demon problem has been
approached from the wrong end -- bottom up
instead of the top down. After all, in analysing
Macbeth you don't start with the letters and work
upwards. You start with the whole play and work
downwards. The statistical distribution of
individual letters and words may be of some small
interest but the psychological makeup of Lady
Macbeth is far more fascinating, wouldn't you agree? 8-)
Once positive and negative energy are separated
then one can get energy out of each in the same
way that the Stirling Engine can get energy out
of hot coffee (hot infusion) on the one hand and
ice blocks (CF) on the other.
It is as though one is going through an
ALGEBRAIC <-> ARITHMETIC
velocity <-> speed cycle.
Perhaps the Carnot cycle is a particular example
of this more general cycle.
I must really get myself a Stirling Engine capable
of running on ice blocks. I'm sure I would find
watching it quite inspirational. ;^)
Cheers,
Frank Grimer
et congregabuntur ante eum omnes
gentes et separabit eos ab invicem
sicut pastor segregat oves ab hedis.
