Re: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Seismologists estimate the size of the North Korean explosion at between 1 and 15 kilotons. My bet: 1 kt. I mean literally, 1000 tons of explosive. Then they obviously registered something, and clearly not natural. Yes. But several people have suggested it may be a chemical explosion. something comes out of the ground; we would seen some signature after 24 hours. I suppose the material migrates up the instrument lead-wires. They would need to have something in orbit wouldn't they? No. As I suggested, trace amounts of radioactive material migrate out via the instrument leads. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2151214/nav/tap2/ The New York Times reports that small underground nuclear explosions actually tend to release a little more radioactive material. QUOTES: Blast May Be Only a Partial Success, Experts Say It will probably take several days to determine with confidence if the explosion was in fact nuclear, the official said. He added that so far, sensors had not detected radiation leaking from the blast site. But federal and private experts said it seemed unlikely that the North Koreans had faked an underground nuclear blast with a large pile of conventional high explosives. . . . federal and private analysts said, the United States has long had spy satellites observing the North Korean site and appears to have found no signs of chemical explosives being unloaded. It's difficult to fake it when you know people are looking down on you, said Dr. Richards of Columbia. The execution of a chemical explosion would be hard to hide. Dr. Coyle, the former director of nuclear testing at Livermore, said small tests were more likely to leak radioactivity than large ones, because the intense heat and gigantic shock waves of bigger blasts tended to melt and pulverize nearby rock into impregnable barriers. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: MCE energy could be the smoking gun
Hi Robin, --- Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Paul's message of Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:23:27 -0700 (PDT): Hi Paul, [snip] Note that in such a case a great deal of the energy is not absorbed by the material because it's in a state of flipping to saturation. Furthermore, by tapping the microwave radiation and rectifying it, you are sucking it out as it were. Not exactly true, but what you normally have is an equilibrium where energy is being both emitted and absorbed. By attaching a one way valve to the energy flow, you ensure that the equilibrium constantly shifts in the direction of outflow. It's also what you are trying to do by operating near saturation. In fact before the invention of diodes magnetic saturation was widely used as a crude means of rectification. Very nice! If we could someone find magnetic material that worked in the THz region we could have an excellent free energy device thus converting ambient energy into THz electricity with a DC component. Of course it's the DC component that's of interest. That would be some material though as the highest frequency cores are in the GHz, correct? Also material with a square BH loop would greatly help. You mention small domains as being advantageous. Could this be attained by reducing the density of the active atoms? IOW could you simply use a compound that is essentially an insulator, with say only one active atom among ten insulator atoms? That would appear to result in domains comprising single atoms. That's an interesting idea. It should work. It would probably decrease the materials saturation and permeability. Your idea is somewhat similar to nanocrystalline material. One of your ferromagnetic atoms surround by insulation could be single crystal. A single nanocrystalline material is one large ferromagnetic crystal. Well, large as in a dozen or more atoms in diameter. Use of a diode may mean that saturation is no longer so important, and as to permeability, a loss in this regard, would just result in a smaller power output, if have understood correctly. However I don't see much use (yet), for 50 MW in the average home, so a drop in power output to say 10 kW shouldn't really be a major problem. Yes, lol, but it would an interesting display watching 50 MW dissipate across a coil wrapped around such a small core. I'd imagine the UHF pulse alone would knock out half Los Angeles. Considering the heat capacity 470 J/Kg/K it would lower the cores temperature to absolute zero in 360us time _if_ we were to extract 50 MW of power from the 1 cubic inch of material. Although obviously heat capacity is not linear to such extreme temperatures since according to Einstein's equation, E=mc^2, there's enough energy in one cubic inch of such material to supply 50 MW for 7.4 years. Such low temperatures are not realistic for core materials. I agree though, 10 kW is more realistic, and quite frankly I would be ecstatic for an _initial_ 10 watts over input. Regards, Paul Lowrance __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Vo]: Light w/o Heat
In further pursuit of commonplace, but often overlooked, energy anomalies - ostensible violations of the laws of thermodynamics - here is yet another one, also based on a most unusual chemical - HOOH. It is my contention that the unusual properties of HOOH may be the expediting technology for enhancing many alternative energy schemes. Apologies to readers who are not convinced of this yet, for usurping forum bandwidth; but for whatever reason, the October postings to vortex have dwindled anyway, so consider this as light-weight filler, if nothing else. The main alternative energy technology for which peroxide may be a key future building block (synergistically) is *wind energy.* HOOH provides an ideal intermediate storage (liquid) and enhancement step for windmills, especially in areas without a grid infrastructure. The added complexity of a systems approach is worth it. More on that in a later post. The other day, information was also posted here (with no subject line, despite repeated attempts so it is not searchable in the archives) about the broad subject of entropic explosion which is an explosion without heat. About as close to a free energy anomaly as mainstream science admits to, these days (that situation is soon to change). The following is similar to entropic explosion. It is not a subset of that topic, but there are cross-connections. This general process is called chemi-luminescence - which is the strong emission of light, with or without heat. One could call this super high efficiency subset of chemiluminescence: the firefly effect and YES, the human version is based on biomimicry. If you don't know what glow sticks are, and especially with Halloween coming up, here is a site that explains the supernatural magic of this device, but actually the technology behind light-sticks is simple: http://science.howstuffworks.com/light-stick.htm Glow sticks are based on a chemical process which releases copious light, and for surprisingly long time-spans, but produce negligible heat. This is sometimes referred to as cold light to contrast it with incandescent light - that which is associated with combustion, fire, or high temperature sources like bulb filaments. There are three chemicals involved, two of which are kept separated by a breakable barrier. One is a phenyl oxalate ester, which is mixed with a dye. The other separated reaction chemical is that pivotal chemical: hydrogen peroxide. The dye is what actually releases the light, after heatless stimulation. When you break the barrier keeping the chemicals apart, the phenyl oxalate ester and peroxide mix to produce an unstable compound which then transfers its chemical energy to the dye. The dye is the type used in posters that glow in the ultraviolet, the blacklight spectrum made famous to many Vo's by Mills' hydrino, but instead - here the glow energy comes from the unstable compound rather than from ultraviolet light. Ultraviolet light is in fact much higher energy light than normal visible light - so the natural expectation is that copious heat should be involved. The common type of UV laser in fact produces about 50 units of waste heat for every unit-equivalent of light. Anyway, pick up a couple of glow ticks for the grand-kids and have yourself an enlightened Halloween, for a change. With the flurry of recent OU announcements, perhaps this one will be considered by future historians to be a hallowed event, at least when the chapter on alternative-energy is being written. Jones
Re: [Vo]: MCE energy could be the smoking gun
Hi, Does anyone have any ideas of making amorphous iron in the garage? This could possible work for the MEMM core since it would most likely have nano size domains. The idea of heating iron to molten level does not sound attractive, and then cooling it within microseconds to achieve the amorphous stage. Yikes! Any ideas? Supposedly the only method to achieve such rapid cooling is by limiting the iron to a thin wire, which is fine, and then perhaps rapidly pouring some cold liquid over the iron. Another idea is to make amorphous iron powder. This could be mixed with a binder to make an amorphous iron powder core. It might be easier to create such powder iron since you can don't have to worry about cracking the iron during the flash cooling stage. This would allow you to basically hit the molten iron with a high power flow of cold liquid. Regardless then resulting iron would have to pure, like 99.9+% pure. Perhaps another problem is preventing the liquid from appreciably reacting with the iron. Is this realistic? Best to just buy the amorphous powder iron, but where? Thanks for any input. Regards, Paul Lowrance --- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been a member here for over a year, but this is my first post, lol. Are the posts supposed to start with [Vo]: ? The following wiki is a good introduction to my work peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:MEMM I would appreciate it if someone by chance knows a person who has access to a amorphous and nanocrystalline core. I live in Los Angeles, CA, USA Regards, Paul Lowrance __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Vo]: MCE energy could be the smoking gun
--- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any ideas of making amorphous iron in the garage? This could possible work for the MEMM core since it would most likely have nano size domains. The idea of heating iron to molten level does not sound attractive, and then cooling it within microseconds to achieve the amorphous stage. Yikes! Any ideas? Supposedly the only method to achieve such rapid cooling is by limiting the iron to a thin wire, which is fine, and then perhaps rapidly pouring some cold liquid over the iron. Another idea is to make amorphous iron powder. This could be mixed with a binder to make an amorphous iron powder core. It might be easier to create such powder iron since you can don't have to worry about cracking the iron during the flash cooling stage. This would allow you to basically hit the molten iron with a high power flow of cold liquid. Regardless then resulting iron would have to pure, like 99.9+% pure. Perhaps another problem is preventing the liquid from appreciably reacting with the iron. Is this realistic? Best to just buy the amorphous powder iron, but where? Thanks for any input. Regards, Paul Lowrance --- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been a member here for over a year, but this is my first post, lol. Are the posts supposed to start with [Vo]: ? The following wiki is a good introduction to my work peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:MEMM I would appreciate it if someone by chance knows a person who has access to a amorphous and nanocrystalline core. I live in Los Angeles, CA, USA Regards, Paul Lowrance Here's an interesting technique - http://www.vacuumschmelze.de/dynamic/en/home/researchampinnovation/processtechnology/vacuuminductionmelting.php I'm wondering how difficult it would be to make a vacuum induction melting pot. Not sure if it does any good to put the iron in a vacuum to help remove impurities if I'm just going to be pouring a liquid on it. This looks easier - http://www.vacuumschmelze.de/dynamic/en/home/researchampinnovation/processtechnology/rapidsolidificationtechnology.php Iron is made molten with induction coils, then a ceramic nozzle allows a thin amount to pour on a cold casting wheel. Regards, Paul Lowrance __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Vo]: OT: Massive oil field found under Gulf
Hi All, I've added some material from C. Warren Hunt to that enclosed below for your information. Jack Smith --- Harry Veeder wrote: Massive oil field found under Gulf Reserves south of New Orleans could rival North Slope, boosting U.S. supplies by 50% http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp'ARTICLE_ID=51837 Chevron and two oil exploration companies announced the discovery of a giant oil reserve in the Gulf of Mexico that could boost the nation's supplies by as much as 50 percent and provide compelling evidence oil is a plentiful deep-earth product made naturally on a continuous basis. Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The abiotic theory always sounded plausible to me, but there's a problem with it: The oil is still produced very slowly. Note that fossil fuels are produced continuously, also. In either case the problem is that the terrestrial production rate is far slower than the current consumption rate. So, biotic or abiotic, there comes a day when there isn't any more, and won't be any again for a long, long time. The interesting conclusion of the abiotic theory is that there may be more large oil fields than expected, because exploration has been guided by the biotic theory and so the oil companies haven't looked everywhere they should. But that still doesn't translate into anything that allows one to conclude oil is inexhaustible at current use rates. leaking pen wrote: first off, how does this give evidence of an abiotic source' I'm missing something. second, even if true, its formed very very slowly. meaning we WILL run out. On 9/12/06, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Massive oil field found under Gulf Reserves south of New Orleans could rival North Slope, boosting U.S. supplies by 50% http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp'ARTICLE_ID=51837 Chevron and two oil exploration companies announced the discovery of a giant oil reserve in the Gulf of Mexico that could boost the nation's supplies by as much as 50 percent and provide compelling evidence oil is a plentiful deep-earth product made naturally on a continuous basis. Known as the Jack Field, the reserve, some 270 miles southwest of New Orleans, is estimated to hold as much as 15 billion barrels of oil. Authors Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith say the giant find validates the key thesis of their book, Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil , that oil did not come from the remains of ancient plant and animal life but is made naturally by the Earth. We have always rejected the theories that oil and natural gas are biological products, Corsi told WND. Chevron's find in the Gulf of Mexico validates our argument that the Gulf is a huge resource for finding oil and natural gas. The Wall Street Journal reports today the find could boost the nation's current reserves of 29.3 billion barrels by as much as 50 percent ... Corsi and Smith note the power of the abiotic theory: Could it be that oil is abundant, nearly an inexhaustible resource, if only we drill deep enough' Prior to the Jack Field discovery, the largest U.S. oil find in the Gulf of Mexico has been the Thunder Horse , about 125 miles southeast of New Orleans. British Petroleum holds a 75-percent interest with ExxonMobil to develop the Thunder Horse. This field, too, is deep-earth oil, with BP and ExxonMobil finding oil under one mile of water and five miles below the seabed. Scientists believe Mexico's richest oil field complex was created when the prehistoric, massive Chicxulub meteor impacted the Earth. Could it be that the Chicxulub meteor deeply fractured the entire bedrock under the Gulf of Mexico' Corsi asked in a WND interview. If so, we might find abundant oil wherever we look as we begin to explore the deeper waters of the Gulf. Earlier this year, Cuba announced plans to hire the communist Chinese to drill for oil some 45 miles off the shores of Florida. This move was made possible by the 1977 agreement under President Jimmy Carter that created for Cuba an Exclusive Economic Zone extending from the country's western tip to the north, virtually to Key West, Fla. If Cuba and communist China believe they too can find oil in the Gulf, we should pull out all stops, argues Smith. We may be able to bring the price of gasoline down under two dollars a gallon if oil can be found in these huge quantities within our territorial waters. It's crazy to think we should be dependent on foreign oil when we've made Mexico our number two supplier of oil with the reserves Mexico has found in the Gulf. Thomas Gold should feel vindicated today, Corsi added, referring to the Cornell University astronomer who in 1998 published The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels, a book that also challenged the conventional wisdom on the origin of oil ... -- http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/abstracts/2005research_calgary/abstracts/extended/hunt/hunt.htm Hydrides and Anhydrides C. Warren Hunt 1119 Sydenham Road
Re: [VO]:Re: MCE energy could be the smoking gun
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:51:08 -0500: Hi Richard, [snip] Interesting point you make. We are struggling with the how, that is how to place an antenna inside the hollow center of a water vortex for microwaves. We have the perfect eyewall form by high speed rotation of the liquid using vacuum inducted air to stabilize the rotation. [snip] I suspect you meant:- We are struggling with the how, that is how to place an antenna for microwaves inside the hollow center of a water vortex. I don't really see the problem. Assuming your vortex is vertical, why can't you just lower the antenna on a boom? However I'm more interested in why you would want to do it in the first place? :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:21:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] They would need to have something in orbit wouldn't they? No. As I suggested, trace amounts of radioactive material migrate out via the instrument leads. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2151214/nav/tap2/ Even if small amounts of radioactive material did come out via the instrument leads, or even through cracks in the ground, I still fail to see how this could be detected in Hokkaido. The surface of the Earth is curved, and the test site would be well below the horizon, as seen from the University. Since gammas follow line of sight, they would have to pass through hundreds of km of rock to get there. In short, what were they expecting to see? OTOH, gamma emitting radioactive materials that reached the surface would easily be detected from orbit. The USA must have been watching, they had plenty of warning. On my third hand ;) , we only have reports on the news that any of this happened at all. Perhaps the whole thing is a planted story to make the North Koreans look bad? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: No. As I suggested, trace amounts of radioactive material migrate out via the instrument leads. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2151214/nav/tap2/ Even if small amounts of radioactive material did come out via the instrument leads, or even through cracks in the ground, I still fail to see how this could be detected in Hokkaido. The prevailing winds would carry radioactive isotopes directly to Hokkaido. Mizuno feels they could not miss them, even with an underground test. Also, I am sure there are spy planes prowling the sky closer to the test site at this moment. I have seen no announcements confirming the isotopes. Despite the New York Times I still suspect it is a hoax. One should not always trust the Times. On my third hand ;) , we only have reports on the news that any of this happened at all. Perhaps the whole thing is a planted story to make the North Koreans look bad? The North Koreans want to look bad. That's the weird part. If it is a hoax, they have fooled the Chinese government, and enraged it. Since they depend on that government for survival, it seems like a stupid thing to do. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
Jed Rothwell wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: No. As I suggested, trace amounts of radioactive material migrate out via the instrument leads. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2151214/nav/tap2/ Even if small amounts of radioactive material did come out via the instrument leads, or even through cracks in the ground, I still fail to see how this could be detected in Hokkaido. The prevailing winds would carry radioactive isotopes directly to Hokkaido. Mizuno feels they could not miss them, even with an underground test. Also, I am sure there are spy planes prowling the sky closer to the test site at this moment. I have seen no announcements confirming the isotopes. Despite the New York Times I still suspect it is a hoax. One should not always trust the Times. On my third hand ;) , we only have reports on the news that any of this happened at all. Perhaps the whole thing is a planted story to make the North Koreans look bad? The North Koreans want to look bad. That's the weird part. If it is a hoax, they have fooled the Chinese government, and enraged it. Since they depend on that government for survival, it seems like a stupid thing to do. Of course, this assumes the Chinese are really upset. Having NK being a nuclear power to distract attention from what the Chinese are doing would be a clever ploy. We shall have to wait to see what the Chinese actually do to NK. Ed - Jed
RE: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
Ed sez: Jed sez: If it is a hoax, they have fooled the Chinese government, and enraged it. Since they depend on that government for survival, it seems like a stupid thing to do. Of course, this assumes the Chinese are really upset. Having NK being a nuclear power to distract attention from what the Chinese are doing would be a clever ploy. We shall have to wait to see what the Chinese actually do to NK. Ed That's a tad too conspiratorial for me, even though I would agree with the likelihood that what China says should not necessarily be linked with what they eventually do. From what I gather China is terrified of the disquieting possibility of furthering the collapse of the regime. It would cause a catastrophic increase of refugees, starving and desperate, streaming across the boarder into China. That's a not in my backyard scenario they want to avoid at all costs. regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]: MCE energy could be the smoking gun
Paul wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any ideas of making amorphous iron in the garage? This could possible work for the MEMM core since it would most likely have nano size domains. The amorphus iron reminds me of the Mueller generator. His writings intiminated that the generator was over unity. As for pure iron, I would suggest five nines grade from a laboratory supply house. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]: Fake nuclear test?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:43:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00): Hi, [snip] Seismologists estimate the size of the North Korean explosion at between 1 and 15 kilotons. My bet: 1 kt. I mean literally, 1000 tons of explosive. The number I heard was that the explosion was the equivelant of 550 tons. Then they obviously registered something, and clearly not natural. Explosions have a different seismic signature to natural Earth tremors. That's what I heard. I just spoke with Mizuno about unrelated stuff, and he mentioned that his department at U. Hokkaido, Nuclear Engineering, has superb monitoring equipment, but they have not seen a thing. He said that even with an underground test something comes out of the ground; we would seen some signature after 24 hours. I suppose the material migrates up the instrument lead-wires. I would expect that it would shatter the rock for quite an area. In order to place the bomb, you'd have to drill a large tube into the rock. I would assume that this tube would be filled with concrete, but given the shock, and the difference in strength between the rock and the concrete, I would expect the concrete to totally fracture. This would release gas, which could be sampled by a high flying aircraft, which is, I assume what they are doing now. I would expect there to be Pu in addition to the fission products, and an analysis of them would yeild an understanding of what happened, and how efficiently the process went. They would need to have something in orbit wouldn't they? I thought that they would detect gammas from a real explosion (though this was deep underground), and I thought the USA had satellites in orbit specifically for this purpose (that picked up the gammas from thunderstorms?). I doubt that they would be able to pick up gammas in Hokkaido, because the curvature of the Earth would put hundreds of km's of rock between them and the explosion. So what exactly were they looking for, neutrinos? [snip] Regards, --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
