[VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
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Re: [VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
Richard,
...feed on itself...
Does that answer your question?
P.
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Howdy Vorts,
The increase in research and experiments surrounding methods for
producing hydrogen is beginning to feed on itself.
What form and at what speed do you forecast the application of
hydrogen for energy?
Richard
[Vo]:The Void
The face of evil? That may have gotten your attention, even if should have been written as the facelessness of evil -- and hey, don't assume that this depiction is a wild stretch of the imagination, as in: Entropy = Evil = the Void = Eridanus ... but even if it is a stretch, it is a scary and mysterious billion-light-year river-dance stretch, nonetheless. And, yes, the MIB are perhaps already hard at work to trying to hide the implications, or else to put a new spin on them. Where is Author-Arthur when we need him? Eridanus is the sixth largest of the 88 constellations in the night sky. Notably it borders on Orion, which almost every star-gazer recognizes instantly. Even more notably in the Science Press, is the discovery therein of the Void: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6962185.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/24/scihole124.xml This is actually a major discovery and a major new cosmological anomaly, which has been there all-along - yes, but hidden by a veil of closer stars. Obviously, without a detailed 3-D survey of the sky, any such void would have been seen from earth back in antiquity; that is, if not hidden by stars in the foreground, which is the case. This void in space measures a billion light-years across and is empty of normal matter and dark matter. The hole is located in the direction of the Eridanus constellation and has been identified in data from a microwave survey of the sky. Do not confuse this feature (or lack thereof?) with the recent story of cosmological Censorship in Google Sky? ... or maybe it is another aspect of that. In that story someone found a blacked out area in the new Google Earth Sky, where stars should be shown. This find was posted by 'ZhingHong' in the new GE Sky Forum at the Google Earth Community. http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2007/08/censorship_in_google.html One theory ;-) which is going-around is that an alien controller, maybe Valis and using the MIB as agents, or maybe it is Satan himself, has forced Google to censor this area in order to hide secrets from unwitting citizens. Someone else posited that the black spot is where the repositioned monolith from 2001: A Space Odessey now resides. Anyway, getting back to real science, NASA has finally mapped all the sky via CMB - Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, which is all around us in space, except for this one spot. You simply cannot map something that isn't there. Prior to the 3-D survey, astronomers did realize that Eridanus is poor in deep-sky objects but that was just a hint of things to come. Here is an example of the older information: http://www.allthesky.com/constellations/eridanus/ What is the cause of the void, and is there any effect? There is one star in Eridanus which may offer a clue, but it is far from the void itself. At the end of Phaethon's river, as seen from earth, is the first magnitude star Achernar, the flattest star known in the Milky Way, and itself a great anomaly. Its radius is about 50% larger at the equator than at the poles. Responsible for this oblong symmetry is the fact that Achernar is spinning unimaginably fast: A void effect? or is that an avoidable conclusion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achernar How could a star in our own galaxy tell us anything about a void which exists far beyond our space? Yes - Achenar is aligned in the correct direction today, from our perspective, but does that mean anything? Not unless the alignment is fixed across time, going back billions of years ... which probably means that Achenar does not mean anything, unless it has an extra-dimensional link to the void... ...but it is fascinating to surmise a direct connection in which many of these features of the night sky tell us something about our own contrived morality (or lack thereof) -- or at best, tell us something aobut a human brain which operates to make connections, even when none are there. The brain avoids-the-void like ... something real smelly. ...and so Stéphane starts working through the possibilities for hidden connections, coming up with a theory he calls PSR, “Parallel Synchronized Randomness.” PSR is an interesting brain rarity and our subject for today. Two people walk in opposite directions at the same time and then they make the same decision at the same time. Then they correct it, and then they correct it, and then they correct it, and then they correct it, and then they correct it. Basically, in a mathematical world these two little guys will stay looped for the end of time. The brain is the most complex thing in the universe and it's right behind the nose... Jones
[Vo]:Life on Mars
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/23/scimars123.xml Scientists found life on Mars back in the 70s By Roger Highfield, Science Editor Last Updated: 6:01pm BST 23/08/2007 The soil on Mars may indeed be teeming with microbes, according to a new interpretation of data first collected more than 30 years ago. Scientists found life on Mars back in the 70s The search for life on Mars appeared to hit a dead end in 1976 when Viking landers touched down on the red planet and failed to detect biological activity. There was another flurry of excitement a decade later, when Nasa thought it had found evidence of life in a Mars meteorite but doubts have since been cast on that finding. Today, Joop Houtkooper from Justus-Liebig-University in Giessen, Germany, will claim the Viking spacecraft may in fact have encountered signs of a weird life form based on hydrogen peroxide on the subfreezing, arid Martian surface. more
[Vo]:Advanced Energy Technologies
Interesting summary: http://www.green-salon.com/presentations.htm Terry
Re: [Vo]:The Void
More on the hole: http://www.physorg.com/news107109720.html
Re: [VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
check out the ravi raju replication of dave lawton replication of stanley meyer water fuel cell. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell oh and hes been attacked too: http://panacea-bocaf.org/EngineerinIndia.htm but public information drop via panacea and youtube seemed to make it all stop. further ravi raju / panacea WFC info: http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/Meyerswatercell.htm (yep, apparently they are replicating the dave lawton replication via dave lawton, ravi raju and also the aussie part of it. should be interesting to see what happens in the next 4 weeks. and then theres Aaron Murakami's replication which combined the bedini schoolgirl device and hydrogenproduction with 25watts. in a way it seems to look like there could°be some serious progress soon.. On 25/08/07, R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Vorts, The increase in research and experiments surrounding methods for producing hydrogen is beginning to feed on itself. What form and at what speed do you forecast the application of hydrogen for energy? Richard -- ∞
Re: [Vo]:Power lines and kids
Bone marrow cancer rates correspond to poverty rates? I was not aware of that. Can you provide a reference? Many diseases, including most significantly heart disease, hit the poor and uneducated harder (and hit U.S. citizens harder than citizens of most other countries -- draw your own conclusions). Diseases which are correlated with poor, crowded conditions, such as TB, also tend to hit the poor harder. And many diseases show a tendency to hit particular races harder than other races, independent of educational or economic background, which provides another bit of confusion in societies which are more or less segregated. But I was not aware that bone marrow cancer showed such a correlation. leaking pen wrote: Correspondence is NOT causality. the numbers also match up with poverty figures, and guess where most high power lines run? through the poorer areas. there are too many factors at play. until i see a study with lab animals kept near replicas of high power lines, i pass it off. On 8/24/07, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's report not yet suppressed and not yet discredited: http://tinyurl.com/27uyfv http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php? feed=Sciencearticle=UPI-1-20070824-00462200-bc-australia-powerlines.xml Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
Esa Ruoho wrote: check out the ravi raju replication of dave lawton replication of stanley meyer water fuel cell. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell Among other things, it says: ... demonstrated gas evolution at 0.2 Amps (12v) in distilled water with no electrolyte. This is impossible by the known principles of conventional electolysis ... Now the last time I checked the redox potential for the electrolysis of water was a few volts (need to run to the basement to get the exact number). 12 volts is well above the minimum needed to split water. As far as I know, the electrolyte does not participate in the reaction at all -- it just makes it go faster. So, the claim that it's impossible to evolve gas from distilled water at 12 volts appears to be nonsense. If they claimed the _rate_ was far higher than conventional theory would allow at 12 volts that would be different -- but it would also be hard to prove, as I'm not sure it's possible to put a limit on the rate of gas evolution based solely on the voltage. If they claimed the rate of gas evolution was higher than the input _power_ could account for that would also be interesting. But they don't -- they claim it's higher than the Faradic rate, which is based on the CURRENT ALONE. With voltage something like five times higher than the minimum needed to make the reaction go it's no violation of anything to get out more gas than the Faradic rate -- it just requires that a different mechanism be at work, such as, say, pyrolysis in tiny hot spots on the electrodes (just to pull one possibility out of the air). Until the evolved gas volume is too large to be accounted for by the input POWER (rather than the input CURRENT), it's not exciting news. Note that the claim of cold fusion is very different: Power out is larger than electrical power in. That's the big news; the occasional violation of the Faradic gas evolution rate is rarely mentioned as more than a footnote in most CF papers. oh and hes been attacked too: http://panacea-bocaf.org/EngineerinIndia.htm but public information drop via panacea and youtube seemed to make it all stop. further ravi raju / panacea WFC info: http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/Meyerswatercell.htm (yep, apparently they are replicating the dave lawton replication via dave lawton, ravi raju and also the aussie part of it. should be interesting to see what happens in the next 4 weeks. and then theres Aaron Murakami's replication which combined the bedini schoolgirl device and hydrogenproduction with 25watts. in a way it seems to look like there could$B!k(Bbe some serious progress soon.. On 25/08/07, *R.C.Macaulay* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Vorts, The increase in research and experiments surrounding methods for producing hydrogen is beginning to feed on itself. What form and at what speed do you forecast the application of hydrogen for energy? Richard -- $B!g(B
Re: [Vo]:Power lines and kids
Pardon me, cancer rates in general, and yes i can. ill go digging. im actually not sure about bone marrow in particular. I'll have to check on that. On 8/25/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bone marrow cancer rates correspond to poverty rates? I was not aware of that. Can you provide a reference? Many diseases, including most significantly heart disease, hit the poor and uneducated harder (and hit U.S. citizens harder than citizens of most other countries -- draw your own conclusions). Diseases which are correlated with poor, crowded conditions, such as TB, also tend to hit the poor harder. And many diseases show a tendency to hit particular races harder than other races, independent of educational or economic background, which provides another bit of confusion in societies which are more or less segregated. But I was not aware that bone marrow cancer showed such a correlation. leaking pen wrote: Correspondence is NOT causality. the numbers also match up with poverty figures, and guess where most high power lines run? through the poorer areas. there are too many factors at play. until i see a study with lab animals kept near replicas of high power lines, i pass it off. On 8/24/07, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's report not yet suppressed and not yet discredited: http://tinyurl.com/27uyfv http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php? feed=Sciencearticle=UPI-1-20070824-00462200-bc-australia-powerlines.xml Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
Stephen wrote.. If they claimed the rate of gas evolution was higher than the input _power_ could account for that would also be interesting. But they don't -- they claim it's higher than the Faradic rate. Until the evolved gas volume is too large to be accounted for by the input POWER (rather than the input CURRENT), it's not exciting news. Howdy Stephen, I still get amazed at how Stephen can cut to the chase better than most. He nailed it. We need him on our dart throwing team at the Dime Box saloon opens.. Richard
Re: [VO]: Hydrogen outlook?
Stephen, There are a number of details to the Ravi/Lawton/Meyer device which you should know. The 12 volts is split between 9 tubes in series, so the volts per tube is 1.33 v. or less. The measured current is DC - but that is current to the frequency generator, and it is being done this way for ease and accuracy of measurement (good!)... but from there to the tubes, the power is pulsed. This procedure eliminates the number one (skeptics) objection - sloppy measurement of pulsed power. This device from Ravi is the one in the video I posted on a couple of days ago. The builder is in India. He is an engineer. The gas output would indicate an OU of over 5 - if it could be believed! Obviously since there are available, even in India, small ICE engines like the Honda 175 cc with a Carnot eff. of over 25% - then this should self-power and close-the-loop IF it is really COP 5. We will see very soon. I know of a similar closed-loop test which will be taking place today or tomorrow in Germany. There are many replication attempts ongoing - as this is but a new wrinkle on the Stanley Meyer device, and there are many similar electrolyzers in operation, most of them using multiple plates instead of tubes (there are 4-5 active forums). Meyer was never able to conclusively close-the-loop in a public demo, although he could run a vehicle on his device for a short distance. Big difference, especially when using an old VW engine, as Meyer did, which has been known as an 'oil burner' (crankcase oil) from day-one, and which oil was Meyers 'hidden' source of energy. Personally, from everything available, I doubt that the high COP results of Ravi will hold, as I think that most of the gas shown in the demo is water-vapor, instead of H2/O2. IOW his results are accurate in terms of gas evolved, but what is being done is to transfer a lot of water vapor mechanically, using a smaller amount of recombination-steam via the narrowly spaced tubes. I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt it, as I have seen this exact mechanism of super-saturated steam/water transfer before, with narrowly spaced BG plates. It is very easy to deceive oneself with what seems like a lot of gas, if one is so inclined... or should I say in-Klined. Tubes would use the same MO, super-saturated steam/water transfer, but the ballistics for mass transfer could even be better than plates. AFAIK there is no firm evidence of closing-the-loop from any Meyer cell to date (nor any other Faradaic, low voltage cell) but that takes a COP of close to 5. Five is tough. I am convinced that many experimenters like Ron Stiffler have seen OU, but he and others are generally too intelligent to announce anything until ... well, metaphorically... as Orson sez, sell no wine before its time. Why suffer the critics arrows and slings until you can close the loop and remove all doubt ? As to Richard's query: IMHO - if there is to be OU in water-splitting, then the best prospect for 2007-8 seems to be higher voltage devices, like the Mizuno glow discharge, where there is a negative resistance range; and especially when driven by lead-acid batteries as there could be a recharge synergy there. That is too complex to get into at the moment. The Mizuno type of glow discharge could be OU even without LENR effect, or a hydrino effect - but if either of those effects are there also: then that vino is fino. That would be my bet for the quickest gateway to opening up the hydrogen economy in the near-term. Jones Esa Ruoho wrote: check out the ravi raju replication of dave lawton replication of stanley meyer water fuel cell. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell Among other things, it says: ... demonstrated gas evolution at 0.2 Amps (12v) in distilled water with no electrolyte. This is impossible by the known principles of conventional electolysis ... Now the last time I checked the redox potential for the electrolysis of water was a few volts (need to run to the basement to get the exact number). 12 volts is well above the minimum needed to split water. As far as I know, the electrolyte does not participate in the reaction at all -- it just makes it go faster. So, the claim that it's impossible to evolve gas from distilled water at 12 volts appears to be nonsense. If they claimed the _rate_ was far higher than conventional theory would allow at 12 volts that would be different -- but it would also be hard to prove, as I'm not sure it's possible to put a limit on the rate of gas evolution based solely on the voltage. If they claimed the rate of gas evolution was higher than the input _power_ could account for that would also be interesting. But they don't -- they claim it's higher than the Faradic rate, which is based on the CURRENT ALONE. With voltage something like five times higher than the minimum needed to make the reaction go it's no violation of anything to get out more gas
Re: [Vo]:Power lines and kids
That's lymphatic and bone marrow cancers, which especially includes myeloma, leukemia, Hodgkins, and non-Hodgkins lymphomas. BTW, here's a report of what appears to be a really stupid study, unless it is just bad reporting. http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/157/5/505.pdf In the news . . . Putting an end to fears about power lines Concern about a possible link between high-voltage power lines and leukemia was sparked in 1979 with the publication of a study showing there was twice the risk of cancer among children living near power lines. Data collectors blinded to the children’s health measured magnetic fields in the children’s bedrooms and other parts of their houses... The reason this is so stupid is it measures *magnetic fields* (which are of course miniscule) and apparently ignores the important stuff, like the magnitude of induced currents in long conductive pathways like the bones, lymphatic system, and circulatory system. Again and again you see references to numbers on the order of 1 micro Tesla or way less, far less than the earth's magnetic field. What counts is the amount of current induced in body conductive loops, indoors and out of doors. This should be measured by a standard loop of some kind, or maybe a standard instrumented dummy. It is a combination electrostatic electromagnetic effect. On Aug 25, 2007, at 1:30 PM, leaking pen wrote: Pardon me, cancer rates in general, and yes i can. ill go digging. im actually not sure about bone marrow in particular. I'll have to check on that. On 8/25/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bone marrow cancer rates correspond to poverty rates? I was not aware of that. Can you provide a reference? Many diseases, including most significantly heart disease, hit the poor and uneducated harder (and hit U.S. citizens harder than citizens of most other countries -- draw your own conclusions). Diseases which are correlated with poor, crowded conditions, such as TB, also tend to hit the poor harder. And many diseases show a tendency to hit particular races harder than other races, independent of educational or economic background, which provides another bit of confusion in societies which are more or less segregated. But I was not aware that bone marrow cancer showed such a correlation. leaking pen wrote: Correspondence is NOT causality. the numbers also match up with poverty figures, and guess where most high power lines run? through the poorer areas. there are too many factors at play. until i see a study with lab animals kept near replicas of high power lines, i pass it off. On 8/24/07, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's report not yet suppressed and not yet discredited: http://tinyurl.com/27uyfv http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php? Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Power lines and kids
Here's an example of a *reverse correlation* between increase in standard of living and cancer: http://tinyurl.com/2u6cpb Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Cold vibes NMR
Jones Beene wrote: Horace Too bad there is no way to get that kind of 'official-sounding' crap from Vassilatos off the internet (or reclassified as fiction). And here is the most important message of the thread - with what Richard Hull says about Vassilatos - basically that he is just wrong... Richard personally interviewed the witnesses to the event. I'm wondering when the writers say 15.5 g neutrons, is that g 10^9? It would seem to me that if they thought this system would work the hot fusioneers would have used it, correct me if you think I'm wrong. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:Power lines and kids
Look at Table 2. African American to White Cancer Incidence Rate Ratios, US, 1995-1999 in: http://www.cancer.org/downloads/STT/861403.pdf It appears that, except for myeloma, incidence is *lower* in African Americans than white, in the diseases of interest. If you look at the mortality rate table, though, the frequencies are reversed because: In general, African Americans have a decreased likelihood of surviving 5 years after diagnosis than whites for all cancer sites (Figure 3), and at all stages of diagnosis (Figure 4). Much or all of these differences are believed to be due to poverty,7 disparities in treatment, 8,9 reduced access to medical care,10 or diagnosis at a later stage,... So, in this case, especially for leukemia, which is long associated by some with power lines, despite poverty being an issue for mortality due to lack of medical care, the incidence rate is actually *less*. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
