Re: [Vo]:the air turbine
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:53:45 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] >I posted > > >Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air > >turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independently verified. >I'd like > >to see it heat water. > >and Robin van Spaandonk replies > > >I would be happy with accurate frequency x torque measurements >combined >with temperature, pressure and volume measurements of in and >out flowing passing through it >makes a difference. > >You're asking for way more than me. If my friend can help, my plan is to >see and test the machine. It's in Las Vegas, so the humidity is low. I'd >like to place a piece of X Ray film in close proximity to the machine. >It would be factory sealed so if when developed, if it is fogged, then >Frank Germano 's observations about X Ray emissions from the Respine are >correct. I'm wondering about imaging, perhaps I might be able to find an >X Ray camera. I'm assuming that the area emitting the X Rays will be >triangular. I suggest placing a key between the machine and the film, against the outside of the film pack. That way, if there are X-rays coming from the machine, you will get a key shadow on the film. Otherwise, you won't know if the machine caused any eventual fogging, or something else. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Vo]:Thixotrophy and the Aether
** Benjamin Rozanski posted; >I was wondering whether the effects of a spinning mass could be playing >a part. >Bruce DePalma found that a spinning mass apperently gains energy. >Could the "Bedini Effect" tie into this? (spinning mass). Are they the same? >There was something about "entrainment" of aether but I can't recall who >described it. Something about spinning-up a an electric motor, letting it >come to a stop, then re-starting it immediately took less energy to get it >to speed than the first time. Is there a connection? Harold Aspden showed that a gyroscope composed of a magnet, when spun up, and then stopped, it can be returned to it's previous motion with way less energy than was required to set it in motion the first time. This is the Aspden Effect. Now that I think of it, the effect is very interesting. It's clear that the magnetic material has some how entrained the aether. For further reading I suggest that you read http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=96&Itemid=36. Also Shape Power by Dan Davidson --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:the air turbine
I posted >Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air >turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independently verified. I'd like >to see it heat water. and Robin van Spaandonk replies >I would be happy with accurate frequency x torque measurements combined >with temperature, pressure and volume measurements of in and out flowing passing through it >makes a difference. You're asking for way more than me. If my friend can help, my plan is to see and test the machine. It's in Las Vegas, so the humidity is low. I'd like to place a piece of X Ray film in close proximity to the machine. It would be factory sealed so if when developed, if it is fogged, then Frank Germano 's observations about X Ray emissions from the Respine are correct. I'm wondering about imaging, perhaps I might be able to find an X Ray camera. I'm assuming that the area emitting the X Rays will be triangular. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Thixotropy and the Aether
I was wondering whether the effects of a spinning mass could be playing a part. Bruce DePalma found that a spinning mass apperently gains energy. Could the "Bedini Effect" tie into this? (spinning mass). Are they the same? There was something about "entrainment" of aether but I can't recall who described it. Something about spinning-up a an electric motor, letting it come to a stop, then re-starting it immediately took less energy to get it to speed than the first time. Is there a connection?
[Vo]:OffTopic:JAPAN HIT BY CREDIT CRUNCH
> > Following the problems in the sub-prime lending market in America > it appears uncertainty has now hit Japan. > > In the last 7 days Origami Bank has folded, Sumo Bank has gone > belly up and Bonsai Bank announced plans to cut some of its > branches. > > Yesterday, it was announced that Karaoke Bank is up for sale and > will likely go for a song, while today shares in Kamikaze Bank were > suspended after they nose-dived. > > While Samurai Bank is soldiering on following sharp cutbacks, Ninja > Bank is reported to have taken a hit, but they remain in the black, > and have not yet 'turned turtle'. > > Furthermore, 500 staff at Karate Bank got the chop and analysts > report that there is something fishy going on at Sushi Bank where > it is feared that staff may get a raw deal. >
Re: [Vo]:GM and EPA dispute Volt's MPG rating
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:31:08 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Somehow it doesn't seem surprising that they're not very friendly toward >moves in the direction of fully electric cars. [snip] Bingo! :) Clearly the EPA needs a new category for PLUG-IN hybrids, as opposed to ordinary hybrids. (The volt is NOT an electric car. It IS a plug-in hybrid). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Vo]:air turbine
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:49:17 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] >Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air >turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independentaly verified. I'd like >to see it heat water. [snip] I would be happy with accurate frequency x torque measurements combined with temperature, pressure and volume measurements of in and out flowing air. I would also like to know if the humidity of the air passing through it makes a difference. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Vo]:The Off Topic Threads
Dr. Storms and Jed, it is not painful for me to discuss this. Knowing the enemy is half the battle. This condition becomes somewhat dangerous when the person does not recognize what they are doing and have moved into a position of power. It seems this chrismatic "skill" lends itself to the political arena. I suspect many politicians have this condition in various degrees. Believing in what you say is a very powerful communications tool, and is very difficult to fake unless you are an actor or possess this ADD "confabulating" mechanism. We are the type of people that are "most" productive when kept behind a locked door and tossed a pizza every now and then. We most definitely think outside the box, in part due to the memory linkage errors, and can be extremely creative ... but not predictable. Our type definitely has a place in society just not in a position of power or authority. If asked how we arrive at "C" we cannot outline the steps A and B because for the most part our behavior is intuitive (which can be dangerous). I have seen this behavior pattern in President Bush's arguments many times. Another one of the flags for this condition is the simple child like humor that President Bush exhibits on many occasions. I also possess this hard to suppress drive to make somewhat crude jokes at another person's expense. This is just part of the ADD package. Anyone on this list who would like deeper insights into the ADD mindset; feel free to ask me (off list, if desired), this is one subject I am an expert at. One last comment, most ADD personalities can be "handled" easily by people who know what they are doing. We do not want this type of person as president or vice president. However; they are extremely effective at bringing in the votes. This is our "oxymoron" for the day. -DonW- - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Off Topic Threads DonW wrote: "Several former rivals have pointed to her uncanny ability to make emotional connections with voters, even when she can't answer a question." Both of the above are major *FLAGS* for ADHD. I should know .. I have this condition. . . . These people can be very chrismatic, are experts at circular logic and usually pathological liars. When they are unscripted, they have major issues with memory LINKAGE. They have the memories but have delayed access to them, usually minutes - hours - days after needed. This results in a subconscious effort to fill in the memory holes; hence the pathological lies. Wow. Thanks for discussion what must be a painful thing to deal with. The process of filling in "memory holes" -- as you call them -- is observed in other conditions, such as long term memory loss. An extreme example was described by Oliver Sacks for a patient with Korsakov's syndrome (amnesic-confabulatory syndrome). It is not lying because the person momentarily believes the statements are true. It is "confabulating." Sacks also describes holes: [The patient] remembered nothing for more than a few seconds. He was continually disoriented. Abysses of amnesia continually open beneath him, but he would bridge them, nimbly, by fluid confabulations and fictions all kinds. For him they were not fictions, but how he suddenly saw, or interpreted, the world. . . . So far as he was concerned, there was nothing the matter . . . - "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for Hat," p. 109 Since they believe in what they are saying (at the moment), and the "memory fills" are tailored to the event/person in front of them, they can be chrismatic. Yes. That's what Sacks and others say. - Jed No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 9:23 AM
Re: [Vo]:GM and EPA dispute Volt's MPG rating
Jed Rothwell wrote: > See: > > http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/080908-Chevy-Volt-100-mpg-or-48-mpg-/ > > > > The government will not declassify the upcoming Chevy Volt as a 48 > mpg car, which is ridiculous. In case anyone here hasn't noticed, the current government is kind of dominated by a number of oil guys. Somehow it doesn't seem surprising that they're not very friendly toward moves in the direction of fully electric cars.
Re: [Vo]:GM and EPA dispute Volt's MPG rating
I wrote, or rather dictated: The government will not declassify the upcoming Chevy Volt as a 48 mpg car, which is ridiculous. Goodness. I don't how it came out like that! I meant to say: The government wants to classify the upcoming Chevy Volt as a 40 mile per gallon car . . . I have a stuffy nose. Slight touch of allergy. Must be affecting voice input. This time "volt" came out "fault." - Jed
[Vo]:GM and EPA dispute Volt's MPG rating
See: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/080908-Chevy-Volt-100-mpg-or-48-mpg-/ The government will not declassify the upcoming Chevy Volt as a 48 mpg car, which is ridiculous. This is a complicated debate. As automobile engines become more complex and hybrids become more hybrid (more electric than gasoline cars), this issue will become more complicated. Even now the Prius MPG ratings are not useful, because actual performance varies tremendously depending on many factors such as where, how and how long you drive. In my experience, mileage varies from around 42 mpg to 50 and sometimes as high as 75 mpg. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Off Topic Threads
On on Vortex can we turn an "Off Topic Thread" thread to science. Congratulations! Terry On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DonW wrote: > > "Several former rivals have pointed to her > uncanny ability to make emotional connections with voters, even when > she can't answer a question." > > Both of the above are major *FLAGS* for ADHD. I should know .. I have this > condition. . . . > > These people can be very chrismatic, are experts at circular logic and > usually pathological liars. > > When they are unscripted, they have major issues with memory LINKAGE. They > have the memories but have delayed access to them, usually minutes - hours - > days after needed. This results in a subconscious effort to fill in the > memory holes; hence the pathological lies. > > Wow. Thanks for discussion what must be a painful thing to deal with. > > The process of filling in "memory holes" -- as you call them -- is observed > in other conditions, such as long term memory loss. An extreme example was > described by Oliver Sacks for a patient with Korsakov's syndrome > (amnesic-confabulatory syndrome). It is not lying because the person > momentarily believes the statements are true. It is "confabulating." Sacks > also describes holes: > > [The patient] remembered nothing for more than a few seconds. He was > continually disoriented. Abysses of amnesia continually open beneath him, > but he would bridge them, nimbly, by fluid confabulations and fictions all > kinds. For him they were not fictions, but how he suddenly saw, or > interpreted, the world. . . . So far as he was concerned, there was nothing > the matter . . . > > - "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for Hat," p. 109 > > > Since they believe in what they are saying (at the moment), and the "memory > fills" are tailored to the event/person in front of them, they can be > chrismatic. > > Yes. That's what Sacks and others say. > > - Jed >
Re: [Vo]:The Off Topic Threads
DonW wrote: "Several former rivals have pointed to her uncanny ability to make emotional connections with voters, even when she can't answer a question." Both of the above are major *FLAGS* for ADHD. I should know .. I have this condition. . . . These people can be very chrismatic, are experts at circular logic and usually pathological liars. When they are unscripted, they have major issues with memory LINKAGE. They have the memories but have delayed access to them, usually minutes - hours - days after needed. This results in a subconscious effort to fill in the memory holes; hence the pathological lies. Wow. Thanks for discussion what must be a painful thing to deal with. The process of filling in "memory holes" -- as you call them -- is observed in other conditions, such as long term memory loss. An extreme example was described by Oliver Sacks for a patient with Korsakov's syndrome (amnesic-confabulatory syndrome). It is not lying because the person momentarily believes the statements are true. It is "confabulating." Sacks also describes holes: [The patient] remembered nothing for more than a few seconds. He was continually disoriented. Abysses of amnesia continually open beneath him, but he would bridge them, nimbly, by fluid confabulations and fictions all kinds. For him they were not fictions, but how he suddenly saw, or interpreted, the world. . . . So far as he was concerned, there was nothing the matter . . . - "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for Hat," p. 109 Since they believe in what they are saying (at the moment), and the "memory fills" are tailored to the event/person in front of them, they can be chrismatic. Yes. That's what Sacks and others say. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company
I see a small note on the main page now. Thanks! Terry On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Terry > > >> I don't get it. There is no mention of the hybrid motorcycle on the > ecycle web page. > > Odd, innit? > > > > It is a poorly constructed website- that is not up to date; but if you go to > the "site map" you will find the page you are looking for - however: it is > not the new version of the cycle, but the original "concept" version which is > a couple of years old. Seems like the site is in need of updating, and > probably means that the company is understaffed. > > http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm > >
Re: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company
Terry > I don't get it. There is no mention of the hybrid motorcycle on the ecycle web page. Odd, innit? It is a poorly constructed website- that is not up to date; but if you go to the "site map" you will find the page you are looking for - however: it is not the new version of the cycle, but the original "concept" version which is a couple of years old. Seems like the site is in need of updating, and probably means that the company is understaffed. http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm
Re: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company
I don't get it. There is no mention of the hybrid motorcycle on the ecycle web page. Odd, innit? Terry On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > If they are open to it, and you are up for it - why not take a web-cam, > voice recorder,etc. and interview the company spokesperson, etc. and get it > all out there on the net. Perhaps if there is a local journalist that you > know - get him/her to come along for a joint story. I am almost positivie > that Stirling Allen would be willing to put it up on a PESN webpage. > > Good PR for the company, and the Chamber of Commerce loves this kind of > thing and there is a high level of interest from a lot of "green" groups - > and from motorcycle enthusiasts. Unless they are ultra secret, the company > should be delighted. > > I am actually a bit surprised that this company is not better known. They do > not do enough PR on their own - for sure. > > Jones > > > > > > > - Original Message > From: Jeff Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Ecycle is only 15 mi from my house. I suppose I could visit them sometime. > Is there anything in particular you would like me to look for or ask them if > I go? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:57 PM > To: vortex > Subject: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company > > > > http://www.hybrid-vehicles.net/ecycle-hybrid-motorcycles.htm > > This company - eCycle is a fabulous new up-and-coming company. That > assessment is based on looking at their product line and technology. I have > no idea if they are making money or not, or if the stock is worth > investing-in. > > http://ecycle.com/index.html > > Based on their "potential" of where they are now and what is on the horizon > - I think of them as a possible candidate for the "new Honda" of the 21st > Century ... even though the old-Honda will probably have a thing or two to > say about that. In fact if the old-Honda is smart, they will buy these guys > out now before they can steal way too much market share. > > eCycle is located in Temple PA, and has has made their reputation recently > in developing a line of unique low voltage brushless motors and generators - > somewhat reminiscent of the CSIRO design which is almost 99% efficient in > converting electrical current into torque (at least at its preferred > rotational speed). > > "For decades, brushless motors have been recognized as an advanced > technology that converts power more efficiently and more reliably than > conventional motors. eCycle has focused its efforts on producing efficient, > commercially viable brushless motors and generators and the related > electronics, in the 1-10kW performance range." > > [the weak point of 'brushless' previously (pre-2002) had been in the > switching electronics - i.e. the silicon] > > "Unlike other brushless motors, eCycle's SolidSlot™ operates at low > voltages (12-36VDC) and high current (up to 450A). A combination of > characteristics make eCycle's product ideal for mobile applications: > efficiency, ruggedness, power density and attractive cost factor, > particularly when reliability and minimization of maintenance are > important." > > Jones > > BTW - This page seems to be the key to the success of this motor's silicon > design: > > http://ecycle.com/Twostage.html
Re: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company
Hi Jeff, If they are open to it, and you are up for it - why not take a web-cam, voice recorder,etc. and interview the company spokesperson, etc. and get it all out there on the net. Perhaps if there is a local journalist that you know - get him/her to come along for a joint story. I am almost positivie that Stirling Allen would be willing to put it up on a PESN webpage. Good PR for the company, and the Chamber of Commerce loves this kind of thing and there is a high level of interest from a lot of "green" groups - and from motorcycle enthusiasts. Unless they are ultra secret, the company should be delighted. I am actually a bit surprised that this company is not better known. They do not do enough PR on their own - for sure. Jones - Original Message From: Jeff Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ecycle is only 15 mi from my house. I suppose I could visit them sometime. Is there anything in particular you would like me to look for or ask them if I go? Jeff From:Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:57 PM To: vortex Subject: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company http://www.hybrid-vehicles.net/ecycle-hybrid-motorcycles.htm This company - eCycle is a fabulous new up-and-coming company. That assessment is based on looking at their product line and technology. I have no idea if they are making money or not, or if the stock is worth investing-in. http://ecycle.com/index.html Based on their "potential" of where they are now and what is on the horizon - I think of them as a possible candidate for the "new Honda" of the 21st Century ... even though the old-Honda will probably have a thing or two to say about that. In fact if the old-Honda is smart, they will buy these guys out now before they can steal way too much market share. eCycle is located in Temple PA, and has has made their reputation recently in developing a line of unique low voltage brushless motors and generators - somewhat reminiscent of the CSIRO design which is almost 99% efficient in converting electrical current into torque (at least at its preferred rotational speed). "For decades, brushless motors have been recognized as an advanced technology that converts power more efficiently and more reliably than conventional motors. eCycle has focused its efforts on producing efficient, commercially viable brushless motors and generators and the related electronics, in the 1-10kW performance range." [the weak point of 'brushless' previously (pre-2002) had been in the switching electronics - i.e. the silicon] "Unlike other brushless motors, eCycle's SolidSlot™ operates at low voltages (12-36VDC) and high current (up to 450A). A combination of characteristics make eCycle's product ideal for mobile applications: efficiency, ruggedness, power density and attractive cost factor, particularly when reliability and minimization of maintenance are important." Jones BTW - This page seems to be the key to the success of this motor's silicon design: http://ecycle.com/Twostage.html
RE: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company
Ecycle is only 15 mi from my house. I suppose I could visit them sometime. Is there anything in particular you would like me to look for or ask them if I go? Jeff _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:57 PM To: vortex Subject: [Vo]:Hybrid eCycle & great company http://www.hybrid-vehicles.net/ecycle-hybrid-motorcycles.htm This company - eCycle is a fabulous new up-and-coming company. That assessment is based on looking at their product line and technology. I have no idea if they are making money or not, or if the stock is worth investing-in. http://ecycle.com/index.html Based on their "potential" of where they are now and what is on the horizon - I think of them as a possible candidate for the "new Honda" of the 21st Century ... even though the old-Honda will probably have a thing or two to say about that. In fact if the old-Honda is smart, they will buy these guys out now before they can steal way too much market share. eCycle is located in Temple PA, and has has made their reputation recently in developing a line of unique low voltage brushless motors and generators - somewhat reminiscent of the CSIRO design which is almost 99% efficient in converting electrical current into torque (at least at its preferred rotational speed). "For decades, brushless motors have been recognized as an advanced technology that converts power more efficiently and more reliably than conventional motors. eCycle has focused its efforts on producing efficient, commercially viable brushless motors and generators and the related electronics, in the 1-10kW performance range." [the weak point of 'brushless' previously (pre-2002) had been in the switching electronics - i.e. the silicon] "Unlike other brushless motors, eCycle's SolidSlotT operates at low voltages (12-36VDC) and high current (up to 450A). A combination of characteristics make eCycle's product ideal for mobile applications: efficiency, ruggedness, power density and attractive cost factor, particularly when reliability and minimization of maintenance are important." Jones BTW - This page seems to be the key to the success of this motor's silicon design: http://ecycle.com/Twostage.html
