Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 29 May 2009 19:18:11 -0800: Hi, [snip] >>> Unfortunately, Nitinol is subject to hydrogen embrittlement. Here is >>> an interesting solution: >>> >>> http://www.finishing.com/381/17.shtml >>> >>> "It was found some years ago that hydrogen embrittlement could be >>> alleviated by ion implanting the surface with platinum. The >>> embrittlement comes from atomic hydrogen diffusing into the surface, >>> not molecular hydrogen. Platinum acts as a catalyst, accelerating the >>> recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen. >> >> It seems to me that this rather defeats the purpose. The whole >> purpose of the >> cathode is to create *atomic* hydrogen. It's the atoms that are >> needed for the >> fusion process, not the molecules. > >That is why I *explicitly* stated in that regard "Unfortunately, >hydrogen in molecular form has little prospect for fusion." Sorry, I didn't read that far. I guess I just didn't expect you to first propose the platinum treatment as a solution to embrittlement only to then point out the flaw in the process. > >I would also note that adsorbed hydrogen is in an *ionic* state, not >an atomic state. ... nuclei leaving the lattice can grab a free electron on the way out. >The diffusing hydrogen nuclei are principally >ionically bound to conduction band electrons. Is this a description of metallic Hydrogen (since the same can be said of metal atoms in a metal)? > >Molecular hydrogen plus atomic hydrogen may catalyze hydrinos, I don't think so. The Hydrogen molecule isn't a Mills catalyst AFAIK. However the Hydrogen atom itself may be/is (at least when there are two them acting together, i.e. three individual atoms in all [not two of them combined in a molecule]). >so >ionic hydrogen driven through such a layer could constitute a hydrino >factory. >Once formed, hydrinos should diffuse through the lattice >rapidly. Other catalysts (than Pd) might be of similar use as well, >but with improved characteristics. It has already been shown that >driving hydrogen through layers of material (e.g. CaO) within Pd >causes transmutation. >The point of my post is merely that it is >reasonable to investigate other than pure elemental lattices, like >Pd, Ni, Al, and Ti, for supporting transmutation layers, and >superelastic metals provide a sensible place to begin a search due to >their favorable characteristics. This I agree with. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
On May 29, 2009, at 4:08 PM, grok wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The best diffusion rate is likely obtained using a thin film, which coincidentally is exactly what was found at Roswell. It wasn't _that_ thin, apparently. It was supposedly the _skin_ of the super-light object, no..? - -- grok. Perhaps the above should say "very thin foil". If I recall it was so thin it could be wadded up into a ball so small it could disappear, and some reports said it was so thin and light it could float in air. Of course I make no assertion of reliability regarding either my memory or any sources of information regarding Roswell or UFOs in general. I would guess the notion the "foil" was used as the skin of the object relates more to the balloon explanation. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
On May 29, 2009, at 3:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 29 May 2009 01:43:54 -0800: Hi, Sorry about previous email, clicked on the wrong button. [snip] Unfortunately, Nitinol is subject to hydrogen embrittlement. Here is an interesting solution: http://www.finishing.com/381/17.shtml "It was found some years ago that hydrogen embrittlement could be alleviated by ion implanting the surface with platinum. The embrittlement comes from atomic hydrogen diffusing into the surface, not molecular hydrogen. Platinum acts as a catalyst, accelerating the recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen. It seems to me that this rather defeats the purpose. The whole purpose of the cathode is to create *atomic* hydrogen. It's the atoms that are needed for the fusion process, not the molecules. That is why I *explicitly* stated in that regard "Unfortunately, hydrogen in molecular form has little prospect for fusion." I would also note that adsorbed hydrogen is in an *ionic* state, not an atomic state. The diffusing hydrogen nuclei are principally ionically bound to conduction band electrons. Atomic hydrogen has a much larger radius than molecular hydrogen. Molecular hydrogen plus atomic hydrogen may catalyze hydrinos, so ionic hydrogen driven through such a layer could constitute a hydrino factory. Once formed, hydrinos should diffuse through the lattice rapidly. Other catalysts (than Pd) might be of similar use as well, but with improved characteristics. It has already been shown that driving hydrogen through layers of material (e.g. CaO) within Pd causes transmutation. The point of my post is merely that it is reasonable to investigate other than pure elemental lattices, like Pd, Ni, Al, and Ti, for supporting transmutation layers, and superelastic metals provide a sensible place to begin a search due to their favorable characteristics. The subject also handily relates to the "Roswell Debris Confirmed" thread. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:The Kiplinger Letter, May 28, 2009: Energy Technology Comments.
They had a lot to say this week: - It's not just production of green power that'll transform the energy industry in coming years. A slew of promising technology developments on the horizon will both provide benefit to energy users and benefit from investment. Among them: Energy storage systems, such as flow batteries...in effect, reverse fuel cells...then can store unused wind and solar energy for use later when it is needed. Commercial-size batteries are in the works at A123Systems, ZBB Energy Corp., Altair Nanotechnoloigies, Ener 1 and Premium Power Corp. Also intended to store solar and wind electricity...giant conventional lead-acid batteries from Exide Technologies and Ultralife Corp. Plus a sodium-sulfur version from Japan's NGK Insulators. A system that stores compressed air meets much the same need. At night, when demand is typically low, wind-made electricity runs pumps that compress air into underground caverns. In daytime, released air turns turbines to make electricity. In McIntosh, Ala., a system from Energy Storage and Power turns out 110 megawatts. Over the next 20 years, the energy storage business will grow 10-fold. New semiconductor uses. Incorporating the smart circuits in everything from steam irons to iPods will yield huge energy savings. As a result, U.S. power use in 2030 is likely to run about 425 billion kilowatt-hours less than today, despite gains in population and economic output. Accumulated savings over 20 years...$1.2 trillion. And harvesting waste heat. Within five years or so, heat exchangers will routinely sop up warmth spewed by industrial operations, blowing cool airstreams that cut the need for air-conditioning. Smaller versions tied to car exhaust systems will perform the same function, reducing the load on engines and savings on fuel use. Plug-in electric autos will get a boost from a new generation of thermoelectric devices to convert engine heat into electricity, allowing use of smaller rechargeable batteries. - Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > The best diffusion rate is likely obtained using a thin film, which > coincidentally > is exactly what was found at Roswell. It wasn't _that_ thin, apparently. It was supposedly the _skin_ of the super-light object, no..? - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkogeO8ACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GWeACfagqYnLBssKGeGX0r2yR94a7/ FGMAoOogtwlE618kY02IfxZ7O9iFG8i+ =ZSem -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
OrionWorks wrote: From Harry Veeder Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. Would the region of the rod in compression yield more LENRs? Harry A follow-up. What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. Don't forget the Paintelli Patent. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
RE: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
I had a 1 oz bar of D loaded palladium once that had blown up and looked like a pillow. I whacked in with a sledge hammer on my garage concrete floor, and indeed, it made quite a loud bang and blew a ragged hole in the side of the palladium. On another occasion, I'd heard you could light these with a flame, and indeed it burned red hot for a few minutes 'til all the D had been exhausted. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR? I once asked if we took loaded palladium and whacked it with a hammer, would it explode? Terry On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. > Would the region of the rod in compression yield more LENRs? > > Harry > >
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, leaking pen mounted the barricade and roared out: > > Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word "collective" in Vortex. That is > > for VortexB only. > > > > We are the Vortex. Resistance is Futile. You will be educated. Assimilate THIS. Where do I go for my implants, already..? - -- grok. a.k.a. 1 of a-kind. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkogb8AACgkQXo3EtEYbt3FFJgCgj1PDDyjuH7QHWeEH5ESc6cgR OuwAoOqNDiw0JrZaev6d5OenCKN+r1Ms =4ekf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Fri, 29 May 2009 15:55:09 -0500: Hi, [snip] >From Harry Veeder > >> Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. >> Would the region of the rod in compression >> yield more LENRs? >> >> Harry > >A follow-up. > >What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound >frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic >interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? > >It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into >the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. [snip] For ultrasound see Russ George/Roger Stringham, and also the Italian H/Ni work where they claimed that e.g. a tap on the rod with a hammer helped. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 29 May 2009 01:43:54 -0800: Hi, Sorry about previous email, clicked on the wrong button. [snip] >Unfortunately, Nitinol is subject to hydrogen embrittlement. Here is >an interesting solution: > >http://www.finishing.com/381/17.shtml > >"It was found some years ago that hydrogen embrittlement could be >alleviated by ion implanting the surface with platinum. The >embrittlement comes from atomic hydrogen diffusing into the surface, >not molecular hydrogen. Platinum acts as a catalyst, accelerating the >recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen. It seems to me that this rather defeats the purpose. The whole purpose of the cathode is to create *atomic* hydrogen. It's the atoms that are needed for the fusion process, not the molecules. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 29 May 2009 01:43:54 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Superelastic metals, like CuSn, InTi, TiNi, and MnCu, may be LENR >cathode prospects because they have a resistance to cracking, as well >as the possible ability to reconstitute after degassing. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitinol > >Nitinol, a TiNi alloy, is rumored to have links back to Roswell >material discussed earlier here. It is easy to speculate it has >energy related applications. > >Unfortunately, Nitinol is subject to hydrogen embrittlement. Here is >an interesting solution: > >http://www.finishing.com/381/17.shtml > >"It was found some years ago that hydrogen embrittlement could be >alleviated by ion implanting the surface with platinum. The >embrittlement comes from atomic hydrogen diffusing into the surface, >not molecular hydrogen. Platinum acts as a catalyst, accelerating the >recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen. >Implantation works well because the whole surface gets covered, and >the amount of platinum needed is negligible. If you try it with a >coating, the coating can't have any pinholes. Either way you'll have >problems if the parts have internal surfaces." > >Interesting the material lattice can apparently handle hydrogen in >molecular form in the interior without cracking. Unfortunately, >hydrogen in molecular form has little prospect for fusion. But, who >knows what the prospects for superelastic metals are for LENR, or >hydrino formation, until they are investigated? Superelastic metals >may provide an excellent matrix for support of implanted hydrino >catalysts for use in a hydrogen diffusing environment. The best >diffusion rate is likely obtained using a thin film, which >coincidentally is exactly what was found at Roswell. > >Best regards, > >Horace Heffner >http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
I once asked if we took loaded palladium and whacked it with a hammer, would it explode? Terry On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. > Would the region of the rod in compression yield more LENRs? > > Harry > >
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
OrionWorks wrote: > >From Harry Veeder > > >> Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. >> Would the region of the rod in compression >> yield more LENRs? >> >> Harry >> > > A follow-up. > > What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound > frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic > interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? > > It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into > the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. > Hi, I think that that is definitely worth a try, and looks promising. To combine sonofusion with "classical" electrolytic fusion. If I were doing cold fusion research, that's exactly what I'll be doing now. And not only with ultrasounds, but with electromagnetic fields, magnets, lasers, pulsed lasers, etc. That is, to setup a classic cold fusion electrolytic experiment, and try to induce fusion by various "external" or "supplemental" methods.
RE: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
One idea I had was to mount a palladium rod in two bearings slightly misaligned and spinning it, which would result in alternating compression and expansion of the rod, but, alas, I didn't have the resources to try that. I did try putting a 40KHz ultrasonic transducer in the D20, but all I could see was the bubbles got fewer and bigger, but I didn't have sufficient instrumentation to see any other effect ( I was really only after spectacular effects, nothing subtle ). Another experiment I did was to raise the entire apparatus to - 40 Kv and also + 40 Kv where some weird effects occurred that I've described here quite a while ago. The idea for that came directly from predictions arrived at from Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of physics ( http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/ http://rstheory.org/ ): a strong negative voltage should allow more D loading, then a strong positive voltage should compress it. I've also tried strong rotating magnetic fields, and powerfully pulsed capacitor discharge magnetic fields and voltage discharges in the electrolyte, which were really quite spectacular ( 1000 volts, 100 uF thru SCR ), yielding very bright red spherical plasmas in the fluid and loud sounds which seemed as if they could have shattered the 1/4 inch thick pyrex vessel, but never did :-) . My D20 cell picture: http://turbotip.webhop.net/fusion.jpg Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR? >From Harry Veeder > Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. > Would the region of the rod in compression > yield more LENRs? > > Harry A follow-up. What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
>From Harry Veeder > Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. > Would the region of the rod in compression > yield more LENRs? > > Harry A follow-up. What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Compression and LENR?
Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. Would the region of the rod in compression yield more LENRs? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM, grok wrote: > > > Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word "collective" in Vortex. That is > for VortexB only. > We are the Vortex. Resistance is Futile. You will be educated.
Re: [Vo]:Roswell Debris Confirmed
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM, grok wrote: Personally, I think Demi is a hybrid. Her given name is a hint that she is half alien. Did you know she appeared nude on the cover of Vanity Fair twice: once while preggers and the second with temporary ink? Oh, and BTW, you can't use the word "collective" in Vortex. That is for VortexB only. :-Þ Terry > She may have been born there, but she never grew up there. So -- what would > she know. > The question here would be: how long did her _[step]parents_ live there? And > if they're > from there: who are their relations who lived/live there..? > > Perhaps it's a moore -- moot point now how many facts the collective > citizenry of > Roswell NM would know/have known -- in spite of government intimidation. Or > moore. > More! > ;P > > > - -- grok. > > > > > > > > > - -- > Build the North America-wide General Strike. > > TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. > TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. > ALL power to the councils and communes. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkofTToACgkQXo3EtEYbt3F+uwCfZ7xldZEFDtRsQ2o912HYV1Ry > 1KcAni8WHyEmN73Lh6IV+Hv0QaOxGJ+R > =cLhY > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >
Re: [Vo]:Tech Saviors: Can We Bear The Burden?
On May 28, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: I'm not sure this does not belong on VortB; but, today the US sold $100B in T-Bills and had to pay 3.7%. This will is a preliminary indication. Re-Fi now if you can. Terry Things are moving fast. http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/may282009A.html "On Thursday, May 21st, a prime mortgage borrower could have obtained a 30 year fixed rate of 4.75% with a half point fee. On May 27, the equivalent rate for a prime borrower is 5.375% with a half point fee. To obtain the 4.75% rate today, a borrower would need to pay approximately $5,400 on a $250,000 loan to buy the 4.75% rate. The monthly payment difference on a $250,000 mortgage loan at 5.375% vs. 4.75% amounts to $96 or $1152 per year." Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Superelastic metals LENR cathode material prospects?
Superelastic metals, like CuSn, InTi, TiNi, and MnCu, may be LENR cathode prospects because they have a resistance to cracking, as well as the possible ability to reconstitute after degassing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitinol Nitinol, a TiNi alloy, is rumored to have links back to Roswell material discussed earlier here. It is easy to speculate it has energy related applications. Unfortunately, Nitinol is subject to hydrogen embrittlement. Here is an interesting solution: http://www.finishing.com/381/17.shtml "It was found some years ago that hydrogen embrittlement could be alleviated by ion implanting the surface with platinum. The embrittlement comes from atomic hydrogen diffusing into the surface, not molecular hydrogen. Platinum acts as a catalyst, accelerating the recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen. Implantation works well because the whole surface gets covered, and the amount of platinum needed is negligible. If you try it with a coating, the coating can't have any pinholes. Either way you'll have problems if the parts have internal surfaces." Interesting the material lattice can apparently handle hydrogen in molecular form in the interior without cracking. Unfortunately, hydrogen in molecular form has little prospect for fusion. But, who knows what the prospects for superelastic metals are for LENR, or hydrino formation, until they are investigated? Superelastic metals may provide an excellent matrix for support of implanted hydrino catalysts for use in a hydrogen diffusing environment. The best diffusion rate is likely obtained using a thin film, which coincidentally is exactly what was found at Roswell. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
