RE: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Iverson
Ed:
So what if he's Jewish, or his investors.  His jewish teachings didn't cause or 
encourage his
behavior, so why even mention it.  And the fact that most of his investors are 
jewish is also
irrelevent.  What did cause his reprehensible behavior was good ol' greed, 
which knows no
affiliations, religious, political or otherwise.  It's simply a lack of 
integrity, which seems to be
all too prevalent these days; epecially amongst our politicians.  I would place 
the blame more on
the parents...

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

Mark,

The fact is that BM is Jewish and most of the investors he frauded are Jewish. 
Therefore, the Jewish
community is especially outraged. This is not a slight against the Jewish 
community and provides no
reason not to identify this fact.  Of course they worked hard for their money 
and have reason to be
outraged. However, I fail to see the relevances of your comment. The Jewish 
community is a fact of
life in the same way the Catholic, Hispanic, or Baptist  communities, for 
example, are a fact.  I
see nothing wrong with identifying such groups when they are likely to act in a 
particular way as a
group.

Ed



On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:

> Ed:
>
> Although a significant proportion of the wealthy and powerful are 
> jewish (and they probably worked hard and smart to get there), I think 
> you could have left the religious background out of your statement and 
> it still would have been accurate...
>
> -Mark
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury
>
> Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not have 
> been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, many 
> of whom are very powerful and well connected to the Jewish community, 
> you will be killed very soon after leaving the US.  Besides, his 
> family was also at risk.  He took the only rational path.
>
> Ed
> On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:
>
>> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>>> I don't know why he didn't run.
>> He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by 
>> their very definition.
>> It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than 
>> acknowledge the corruption within the system.
>>
>
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Re: [Vo]:Looking to identify infestation

2009-07-14 Thread Alexander Hollins
if so http://www.treehelp.com/trees/birch/trees-insects-birch-leafminer.asp
> were the eggs actually on the leaf?
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
>> The following are photos and micrographs (3 at 40x, 1 at 100x) I took of
>> what appear to be insect eggs on local birch trees.  This is apparently
>> fairly new to the area.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridt8naxHLs
>>
>> Here is a movie at 100x of what appears to be a slow moving larva, possibly
>> still in the egg:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInffuSp4S8
>>
>> It is located to the upper right and very slow moving. Original scale for
>> 100x is 73 pixels = 0.1 mm = 100 microns.  Original frames were 640 pixels
>> wide.  I don't know to what width what youtube may have converted them, but
>> the frame is about 876 microns wide, about 0.88 mm.
>>
>> Fist thing that came to mind is spider mites, but I didn't see any.  It is
>> surprising to see so many eggs bunched together.  Anyone recognize this?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Horace Heffner
>> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



Re: [Vo]:Looking to identify infestation

2009-07-14 Thread Alexander Hollins
were the eggs actually on the leaf?

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
> The following are photos and micrographs (3 at 40x, 1 at 100x) I took of
> what appear to be insect eggs on local birch trees.  This is apparently
> fairly new to the area.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridt8naxHLs
>
> Here is a movie at 100x of what appears to be a slow moving larva, possibly
> still in the egg:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInffuSp4S8
>
> It is located to the upper right and very slow moving. Original scale for
> 100x is 73 pixels = 0.1 mm = 100 microns.  Original frames were 640 pixels
> wide.  I don't know to what width what youtube may have converted them, but
> the frame is about 876 microns wide, about 0.88 mm.
>
> Fist thing that came to mind is spider mites, but I didn't see any.  It is
> surprising to see so many eggs bunched together.  Anyone recognize this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
>
>
>
>
>



[Vo]:Looking to identify infestation

2009-07-14 Thread Horace Heffner
The following are photos and micrographs (3 at 40x, 1 at 100x) I took  
of what appear to be insect eggs on local birch trees.  This is  
apparently fairly new to the area.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridt8naxHLs

Here is a movie at 100x of what appears to be a slow moving larva,  
possibly still in the egg:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInffuSp4S8

It is located to the upper right and very slow moving. Original scale  
for 100x is 73 pixels = 0.1 mm = 100 microns.  Original frames were  
640 pixels wide.  I don't know to what width what youtube may have  
converted them, but the frame is about 876 microns wide, about 0.88 mm.


Fist thing that came to mind is spider mites, but I didn't see any.   
It is surprising to see so many eggs bunched together.  Anyone  
recognize this?


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






[Vo]:Pickens not canceling Pampa wind project

2009-07-14 Thread Horace Heffner

Pickens delaying, not canceling, the Pampa wind project:

http://www.pickensplan.com/news/2009/07/14/pampa-texas-wind-farm- 
project/


http://tinyurl.com/krejfa


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-14 Thread mixent
In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:41:25 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>There is a table on the Wiki entry
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_susceptibility
>
>... showing the negative value of helium, which should offer a clue as to
>another possible technique.
>
>Since Mills is tight lipped on this subject for a variety of reasons, I
>wonder if it would be productive to email John Farrell for guidance. 
>
>My question to Robin: have you been in touch with Farrell - and does he
>freely offer this kind of advice- or is he under some kind of NDA ?
>
>Jones

AFAIK both Mills and Farrell will answer questions on the SCQM list, though
Mills' time is very limited. However I wouldn't count on Farrell to give any
real info that hadn't already been published. have you actually asked Mills this
specific question, or are you just assuming he won't tell you?

 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



Re: [Vo]:UFOs

2009-07-14 Thread mixent
In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:32:09 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Did they resemble this description?
>
>http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/07/three-strange-beings-reported-at-crop.html

These sound like the aliens from http://www.ufopsi.com/articles/tallwhites.html

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



Re: [Vo]:Index of papers at New Energy TIMES

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

SHOULD BE:

New Energy Times

Not News.

- Jed



Re: [Vo]:UFOs

2009-07-14 Thread John Berry
That's the spirit!

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM,  wrote:

> In reply to  OrionWorks's message of Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:28:05 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >They came.
> >
> >They knocked on our door. We pretended nobody was home.
> >
> >They got the hint.
> >
> >They left.
>
> ...we ended up getting exactly what we deserve...nothing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
>
>


Re: [Vo]:UFOs

2009-07-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Did they resemble this description?

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/07/three-strange-beings-reported-at-crop.html

Terry

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:28 PM, OrionWorks wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
>> Instead of speculating about possibly-fake photos, try explaining the "crop
>> circles". I have the book by Steve and Karen Alexander, which contains over
>> 100 high quality aerial and ground photographs from England and other
>> countries. There are links to studies of the nature and details of the
>> changes induced in the plants to produce the images. Many of the designs are
>> far too complex and detailed to be produced by plank-and-stomp pranksters.
>> These are regularly reported to be created overnight.
>>
>> The designs are imprinted on standing crops. Remember Arthur Clarke's
>> suggestion that any sufficiently advanced technology will appear magical.
>>
>> Whoever created them is technically adept beyond current human technology
>> and has a remarkable aesthetic sense. Perhaps that are calling cards, hoping
>> that someone is home.
>>
>> Mike Carrell
>
> They came.
>
> They knocked on our door. We pretended nobody was home.
>
> They got the hint.
>
> They left.
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>



Re: [Vo]:UFOs

2009-07-14 Thread mixent
In reply to  OrionWorks's message of Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:28:05 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>They came.
>
>They knocked on our door. We pretended nobody was home.
>
>They got the hint.
>
>They left.

...we ended up getting exactly what we deserve...nothing.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



Re: [Vo]:motor mix heavy water cement and polymer heavy water mix

2009-07-14 Thread mixent
In reply to  fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:46:14 -0400:
Hi Frank,
[snip]
>I tried many things, including nano powders.? Unfortunatley my stuff does not 
>work.

How did you choose the frequency? Perhaps you could try a frequency that slowly
ramps up, and constantly monitor the temperature, looking for a spike?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



Re: [Vo]:Index of papers at New Energy News

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

I wrote:


Some of the paper cannot be read.


I meant that some of the Acrobat files cannot be read, so I did not 
index them. I don't know what's in 'em. Probably corrupted files.


Regarding the old editorials, #4 is here:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/30/opinion/the-utah-fusion-circus.html?scp=1&sq=the%20utah%20fusion%20circus&st=cse

ENTIRE TEXT QUOTED:

April 30, 1989


The Utah Fusion Circus

For the last month, scientists around the world have been poised 
between deepest doubt and highest hope. The University of Utah 
claimed on March 23 that two researchers had learned how to fuse 
atomic nuclei at room temperature. Yet despite a month of attempts to 
repeat the Utah experiment, no one yet knows if the claim will 
evaporate in smoke and recrimination or prove the first step to a 
revolutionary new source of energy.


Conventional attempts to attain fusion rely on multimillion-dollar 
machines working at enormous temperatures. So it was thrilling to 
hear that Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann, with simple equipment 
and a mere $100,000 of their own money, had apparently attained 
fusion at room temperature by passing electric current through heavy 
water and a palladium electrode.


But the two apparently neglected a basic caution that scientists have 
learned to impose on themselves for fear of being carried away - a 
control experiment, like repeating the test with ordinary water 
instead of heavy water. The University of Utah encouraged them to 
hold a press conference when the report of their results had been 
submitted to Nature, a leading scientific journal, but not yet 
accepted by its editors. When the journal's referees raised 
criticisms, the authors said they were too busy to respond and 
withdrew the paper.


None of this means the claim is wrong, just that at present it 
totally lacks the guarantees of reasonable credibility that attach to 
research claims published in refereed journals. Given such nakedness, 
the University of Utah should be embarrassed indeed that many 
competent laboratories have been unable to repeat the 
Pons-Fleischmann experiment. Two teams that at first reported having 
done so later withdrew their claims. A rival group, at Brigham Young 
University in Utah, has now published a similar claim, but the few 
neutrons it reports as evidence of fusion may not greatly exceed 
those that occur naturally.


The claims of cold fusion could still turn out to be correct. And 
even if not, they have sparked scrutiny and theorizing that could 
lead others to a fruitful attack. But it's equally possible that some 
subtle experimental error or self-deception will prove to be the 
explanation. It's just such errors that the procedural safeguards of 
science are designed to catch. Imperfect though the safeguards are, 
they have saved many from the pitfalls of wishful thinking and overenthusiasm.


Last week Chase Peterson, president of the University of Utah, 
appeared before a House committee to drum up Federal funds. Asked how 
much, he replied, ''The figure that comes to mind is $25 million.'' 
Given the present state of evidence for cold fusion, the Government 
would do better to put the money on a horse.


For Mr. Pons and Mr. Fleischmann, the best bet is to disappear into 
their laboratory and devise a clearly defined, well-understood 
experiment that others can reproduce. Until they have that, they have 
nothing. As for the University of Utah, it may now claim credit for 
the artificial-heart horror show and the cold-fusion circus, two 
milestones at least in the history of entertainment, if not of science.




- Jed


[Vo]:Old editorials in scanned image format

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are 29 old editorials about cold fusion, from the early days, 
that Gene Mallove sent me. These are in scanned image format:


http://lenr-canr.org/temp/

I suppose they have some historical interest. But they are mostly a 
lot of bunk. #4 is infuriating bunk from the New York Times. I guess 
I can find it on line at the NYT site these days.


- Jed



[Vo]:Index of papers at New Energy News

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
I went to sort out the Acrobat papers at New Energy News to see if 
there are any we should add to LENR-CANR.org. The papers are 
scattered around there and the filenames are somewhat chaotic. 
Anyway, I wrote a program to put them in order and generated this index:


http://lenr-canr.org/NewenergynewsIndex.htm

Not sure what I am going to do with this. It is really up to Steve.

I could add the Abstracts or format this as a table, the way 
LENR-CANR.org indexes are formatted.


Some of the paper cannot be read.

- Jed



Re: [Vo]:Palin's comments on energy policy in WaPost

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

Craig Haynie wrote:

There has never been a time in the 400 years of European settlements 
in North American when government did not intervene often and 
forcefully in the use of some types of private property.


I agree that governments DO this sort of thing, but they shouldn't 
do this sort of thing. When you write that Palin failed to mention 
that oil is a finite resource... and that Palin failed to mention 
that global warming may be caused by fossil fuels, you are implying 
that she SHOULD take action on these issues.


I am not implying that; I am stating it outright. If oil is utterly 
depleted or global warming ensues, our civilization will be 
destroyed. In my opinion, it is the role of government to prevent the 
destruction of civilization. That's the main reason we have 
governments: to ensure the General Welfare. Also, to keep children 
from drowning in Atlanta's back yards, and to keep barns from falling 
down on people.




You are making a moral, political, statement.


Certainly. But I was also describing things as they, not as you or I 
would like them to be. It is a fact that government regulates oil and 
energy, and that it will prevent the sale of untested cold fusion 
devices. You must take these facts into consideration. For that 
matter, Palin and the GOP must take them into consideration. They 
cannot make policy as if we have a perfectly free market.



From my point of view, you are wrong. Government should not 
interfere with the market.


You mean you disagree with my opinion and with the U.S. Constitution. 
The Constitution specifies that the government is responsible for the 
general welfare. Letting oil run out, or letting the temperature rise 
5 or 10 deg C would as catastrophic to the general welfare as 
anything imaginable short of a full-scale nuclear war. So it is the 
government's responsibility to prevent these things.



It is a logical inconsistancy to allow some people, calling 
themselves government, to have authority over others, no matter how 
many people support such an idea.


It may be a logical inconsistancy but we are stuck with the 
Constitution and with our present institutions. I see no point to 
speculating about how much better things would be if they were not as they are.


We can only change institutions a little at a time. We must find a 
way to implement cold fusion and things like it in the real, 
imperfect world. We cannot wait for institutions to be revolutionized 
to allow perfect free market competition, for example.


I favor dealing with reality, rather than imagining how an ideal 
world might work and then wishing we could live in that world 
instead. Fantasy worlds bore me, frankly. I do not think human nature 
would allow the kind of ideal society you wish for, in any case. 
Human nature and our institutions do tend to be logically 
inconsistent -- as you say -- and yet they work. I do not think it is 
possible to make them logically consistent, and an attempt to do so, 
such as the French Revolution, might well cause more harm than good.


- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Palin's comments on energy policy in WaPost

2009-07-14 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Craig Haynie wrote:
>
> I have to disagree with the implications of his email. In a free society,
>> people don't get together and 'vote' on how to use other people's property.
>> With regard to oil, it is not for anyone to decide how it's to be used . . .
>>
>
> That is incorrect. In cases when property aversely affects the rest of the
> community, governments always claim jurisdiction over it. This has been true
> in every society, free and unfree, throughout history. For example, if you
> have a herd of cows and they are infected with hoof and mouth disease,
> society intervenes to kill them. If you have a swimming pool in an urban
> area without a proper safety fence around it, society intervenes and forces
> you to put up a fence. In 1790 people building barns in Gettysburg, PA had
> to build them according to a strict set of building codes to prevent
> catastrophic collapse and to keep builders from ripping off farmers. There
> has never been a time in the 400 years of European settlements in North
> American when government did not intervene often and forcefully in the use
> of some types of private property.


I agree that governments DO this sort of thing, but they shouldn't do this
sort of thing. When you write that Palin failed to mention that oil is a
finite resource... and that Palin failed to mention that global warming may
be caused by fossil fuels, you are implying that she SHOULD take action on
these issues. You are making a moral, political, statement.

>From my point of view, you are wrong. Government should not interfere with
the market. It is a logical inconsistancy to allow some people, calling
themselves government, to have authority over others, no matter how many
people support such an idea. It breeds a system which is institutionally
violent, because if you fail to follow the dictats of these people, they
will send men with guns to try to haul you away, or kill you. That's a
political statement, and a political reality.

[...]


>  Do we really want to bring up political issues on this board?
>>
> I do not consider the above sentences (by me) to be political. I am stating
> well-known facts about energy and fuel. Anyone who wishes to understand cold
> fusion, alternative energy and other on-topic subjects here must grasp these
> fundamental facts about regulations, society and energy. For example, you
> have to understand that cold fusion or some sort of magnetic motor could not
> possibly be manufactured and sold in the U.S., Europe or Japan without first
> going through extensive safety testing regulation and checking by
> Underwriter's Laboratory. I have read many fantasies about secretly
> converting cars to cold fusion or some other "o-u" energy source such as
> Mills' hydrinos "under the radar." I know a few people who want to do that.
> It is completely out of the question. It is also ridiculous to imagine that
> you might keep a product's composition secret without a patent. You cannot
> sell any product in the U.S. without revealing to UL and others ever single
> technical detail, including the types of screws you use.
>
> - Jed
>
>
My issue with your statement is not with the way that governments work, but
rather with the implications that bureaucrats, like Palin, OUGHT to be
taking action, as you were advocating.

Sincerely,

Craig Haynie (Houston)


Re: [Vo]:Palin's comments on energy policy in WaPost

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

Craig Haynie wrote:

I have to disagree with the implications of his email. In a free 
society, people don't get together and 'vote' on how to use other 
people's property. With regard to oil, it is not for anyone to 
decide how it's to be used . . .


That is incorrect. In cases when property aversely affects the rest 
of the community, governments always claim jurisdiction over it. This 
has been true in every society, free and unfree, throughout history. 
For example, if you have a herd of cows and they are infected with 
hoof and mouth disease, society intervenes to kill them. If you have 
a swimming pool in an urban area without a proper safety fence around 
it, society intervenes and forces you to put up a fence. In 1790 
people building barns in Gettysburg, PA had to build them according 
to a strict set of building codes to prevent catastrophic collapse 
and to keep builders from ripping off farmers. There has never been a 
time in the 400 years of European settlements in North American when 
government did not intervene often and forcefully in the use of some 
types of private property.


In the case of oil, government intervention began soon after the 
stuff was discovered in the 1840s, with various regulations regarding 
safety, fair weight and measurement, purity and so on. It continues 
today because most experts believe that oil is significantly harmful 
to the environment. All harmful substances are always regulated.



. . . or if it's to be replaced, or what price is to be paid for it, 
other than the individuals buying and selling it.


Prices of vital commodities such as oil have been regulated in every 
era, in every society on earth, including the U.S. Completely 
unregulated free markets in things like energy, oil and health care 
have NEVER existed and never will exist. I favor capitalism as much 
as anyone, but in the real world it will always be regulated to some 
extent. The only questions are: To what extent, and to what purpose? 
Do we regulate to ensure fair competition only, or also to ensure 
various other goals such as product safety (keeping barns from 
collapsing on people).




Do we really want to bring up political issues on this board?


I do not consider the above sentences (by me) to be political. I am 
stating well-known facts about energy and fuel. Anyone who wishes to 
understand cold fusion, alternative energy and other on-topic 
subjects here must grasp these fundamental facts about regulations, 
society and energy. For example, you have to understand that cold 
fusion or some sort of magnetic motor could not possibly be 
manufactured and sold in the U.S., Europe or Japan without first 
going through extensive safety testing regulation and checking by 
Underwriter's Laboratory. I have read many fantasies about secretly 
converting cars to cold fusion or some other "o-u" energy source such 
as Mills' hydrinos "under the radar." I know a few people who want to 
do that. It is completely out of the question. It is also ridiculous 
to imagine that you might keep a product's composition secret without 
a patent. You cannot sell any product in the U.S. without revealing 
to UL and others ever single technical detail, including the types of 
screws you use.


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:Palin's comments on energy policy in WaPost

2009-07-14 Thread Craig Haynie
I have to disagree with the implications of his email. In a free society,
people don't get together and 'vote' on how to use other people's property.
With regard to oil, it is not for anyone to decide how it's to be used, or
if it's to be replaced, or what price is to be paid for it, other than the
individuals buying and selling it.

Do we really want to bring up political issues on this board?

Craig Haynie (Houston)


On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> See:
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html
>
> This really is on topic, I promise.
>
> Her comments are a distillation of Republican energy policy. She does not
> acknowledge even the possibility that:
>
> * Oil is a finite resource and we should be moving rapidly to replace it.
>
> * Global warming may be ongoing and it may be caused by fossil fuels.
>
> * Oil causes many other environmental problems other than global warming,
> so even if you do not believe in global warming, it should be replaced.
>
> From my point of view, Palin and the GOP are stuck in a time warp circa
> 1950. The Democrats are little better, I will grant.
>
> - Jed
>
>


[Vo]:Palin's comments on energy policy in WaPost

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html

This really is on topic, I promise.

Her comments are a distillation of Republican energy policy. She does 
not acknowledge even the possibility that:


* Oil is a finite resource and we should be moving rapidly to replace it.

* Global warming may be ongoing and it may be caused by fossil fuels.

* Oil causes many other environmental problems other than global 
warming, so even if you do not believe in global warming, it should 
be replaced.


From my point of view, Palin and the GOP are stuck in a time warp 
circa 1950. The Democrats are little better, I will grant.


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell

Edmund Storms wrote:

Therefore, the Jewish community is especially outraged. This is not 
a slight against the Jewish community and provides no reason not to 
identify this fact.


You are missing the point. Your original comment was:

"When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerful and 
will connected to the Jewish community, you will be killed very soon 
after leaving the US."


This makes it sound as if the Jewish community is more likely to kill 
someone than other communities. To avoid any hint of bigotry, the 
sentence should have read:


"When you damage so many people, many of whom are very powerful and 
will connected, you will be killed very soon after leaving the US."


In point of fact, I expect the wealthy Jewish community would be 
somewhat less likely to kill someone than other groups of wealthy 
people. MOSAD would definitely not take this assignment, if that's 
what you are thinking. I think it is unlikely that anyone would have 
killed Madoff if he had fled, but he would have been caught in a 
week. (Unless he went to some country where extradition is not 
allowed and he had not stolen from a single person in that country.)


Anyway, this is off-topic.

- Jed



Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-14 Thread Edmund Storms

Mark,

The fact is that BM is Jewish and most of the investors he frauded are  
Jewish. Therefore, the Jewish community is especially outraged. This  
is not a slight against the Jewish community and provides no reason  
not to identify this fact.  Of course they worked hard for their money  
and have reason to be outraged. However, I fail to see the relevances  
of your comment. The Jewish community is a fact of life in the same  
way the Catholic, Hispanic, or Baptist  communities, for example, are  
a fact.  I see nothing wrong with identifying such groups when they  
are likely to act in a particular way as a group.


Ed



On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:


Ed:

Although a significant proportion of the wealthy and powerful are  
jewish (and they probably worked
hard and smart to get there), I think you could have left the  
religious background out of your

statement and it still would have been accurate...

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not  
have been safe anywhere in the
world. When you damage so many people, many of whom are very  
powerful and well connected to the
Jewish community, you will be killed very soon after leaving the  
US.  Besides, his family was also

at risk.  He took the only rational path.

Ed
On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote:


Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

I don't know why he didn't run.

He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by
their very definition.
It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than
acknowledge the corruption within the system.



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Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-14 Thread OrionWorks
Hi John,

No offense taken. ;-)

I've stated my observations. I stand by them. As have you.

We disagree.

On to the next adventure!

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:motor mix heavy water cement and polymer heavy water mix

2009-07-14 Thread fznidarsic
I tried many things, including nano powders.? Unfortunatley my stuff does not 
work.


Frank Z