Re: [Vo]: Gyroscope's unexplained acceleration may be due to modified inertia...
At 10:55 PM 7/26/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Fran and Jones... This also may involve Casimir effects, but on a Hubble scale... Haven't heard of that before! http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-gyroscope-unexplained-due-inertia.html McCulloch proposes that the gyroscope's inertial mass is determined by surrounding Unruh radiation that is modified by a Hubble-scale Casimir effect. I don't know... Sounds too big to swallow! Hey, once we've got Cold Fusion reinstated as respectable science maybe we can work on Podkletnov.
RE: [Vo]: Gyroscope's unexplained acceleration may be due to modified inertia...
The two could be part of the same phenomenon in a local geometry (thus permitting so-called Casimatter, which implies an antigravity effect). IOW this does not have to be related to some kind of Hubble scale effect, based on Universal expansion as the accelerating force. That is - if there is truly a Scharnhorst effect, you should have Unruh radiation as a side effect on the nanoscale. An interesting paper to build on is: Hawking-Unruh Radiation and Radiation of a Uniformly Accelerated Charge by Kirk T. McDonald http://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/accel/unruhrad.pdf Although this radiation has a very low mass-energy (fractional eV equivalent to a Delta-T of only 1 K) this should quickly add up inside Casimir Cavities, in a cumulative fashion - which is where you might find an accelerated charge (proton). This would be an alternative to the Lamb shift hypothesis. -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Mark Iverson wrote: Fran and Jones... This also may involve Casimir effects, but on a Hubble scale... Haven't heard of that before! http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-gyroscope-unexplained-due-inertia.html McCulloch proposes that the gyroscope's inertial mass is determined by surrounding Unruh radiation that is modified by a Hubble-scale Casimir effect. I don't know... Sounds too big to swallow! Hey, once we've got Cold Fusion reinstated as respectable science maybe we can work on Podkletnov.
[Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
See: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/viareggio-cold-fusion-conference-science-politics-and-an-italian-competitor/ QUOTE: 19.10 – Among the public Milly Moratti takes the word and states that there are clearly now experimental evidences of Cold Fusion. Now, for the one who do not know, Milli Moratti is the wife of Massimo Moratti, one of the richest man in Italy and owner of the Saras Petrol Refinery, The biggest in Italy and one of the biggest in Europe. That’s a 5,3 Billion Euro Company. She has money and the political knowledge. [I have never heard of this person.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Moratti - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
Keep going Lomax. You are in over your head, and far out classed. When I arrived at Vortex-L you were stumbling around in the dark stuck on a humidity meter. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 04:06 PM 7/26/2011, Damon Craig wrote: Try to keep up. Try not to fill this list with posts with no new content except useless statements plus what's been copied from before. However, to provide some utility here, I will reproduce part of a multiplication table, in case Damon needs it for steam analysis: 2 * 2 = 4
Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
All true. Consider that Milli is somehow considered alternative, not always representative of the family. But yes when you talk about oil business in Italy their name is the first on the list. mic 2011/7/27 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: See: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/viareggio-cold-fusion-conference-science-politics-and-an-italian-competitor/ QUOTE: 19.10 – Among the public Milly Moratti takes the word and states that there are clearly now experimental evidences of Cold Fusion. Now, for the one who do not know, Milli Moratti is the wife of Massimo Moratti, one of the richest man in Italy and owner of the Saras Petrol Refinery, The biggest in Italy and one of the biggest in Europe. That’s a 5,3 Billion Euro Company. She has money and the political knowledge. [I have never heard of this person.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Moratti - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: All true. Consider that Milli is somehow considered alternative, not always representative of the family. But yes when you talk about oil business in Italy their name is the first on the list. Well, I hope they take an active interest in cold fusion, and invest in it. I have long felt that the opposition to cold fusion is weaker than it seems. It is a mile wide and an inch deep as the expression goes. I felt that if we could just reach out to people, and break through the noise and distortions in the mass media, we could get more support. Support is likely to lead to funding. I realize there are powerful people opposed to the research, especially in places such as the DoE. Opponents have often torpedoed funding. They stopped the publication of the ACS book, which was later published here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedc.pdf People such as Robert Park have often pulled strings to prevent funding. Others in the establishment say nothing but they tacitly approve of his shenanigans. As Ed Storms says, Park would have no influence if powerful people did not agree with him. He is not the head of an agency. The only thing he has is influence in high places. There is nothing untoward about that. I wish I had such influence! The point is, this demonstrates that opposition to cold fusion is widespread. It is a mile wide, as I said. I have not conducted a public opinion poll of scientists but my impression is that the skeptics are correct in saying that the claims are largely disbelieved in the mainstream scientific community. (Wikipedia) This is because most people in the mainstream scientific community know nothing about the subject, so their views do not count. In any other academic debate no one would dispute this. No one would say, for example: Most American literary critics do not speak Japanese and have never heard of Natsume Soseki so his works have no literary value. They would say the people who know nothing about Japanese literature have no basis to discuss any aspect of it. The editors at most major journals despise cold fusion. It makes them angry, because they are convinced it is a fraud and a waste of funding. The plasma fusion people hate it the most. These opponents are all academic scientists. They despise cold fusion because they are certain it is theoretically impossible. Not because they fear it might be true! They are not such fools they would oppose something they think might be true. I do not know of anyone who opposes cold fusion because they have a vested interest in oil, solar energy, or some other source of energy. So I am not surprised that Milli Moratti is interested. If cold fusion starts to succeed in a big way, then I expect many people in the fossil fuel industry will begin to fear it. At present, I doubt any of them do. But they do not confide in me so I wouldn't know. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
Jed wrote: If cold fusion starts to succeed in a big way, then I expect many people in the fossil fuel industry will begin to fear it Thanks again for excellent post! But I think that even this is exaggerating, because in oil industry people who has there real power are also immeasurable wealthy. And also they have usually more realistic view of the real world, unlike poor people who might irrationally be afraid of better world. This means in practice that airplane that has E-Cat steam engine and can fly through stratosphere is far more convenient than kerosene propelled jet engine that loses most of its power in 10 km and above. Therefore I am sure that any powerful people in oil industry will welcome the technology that makes them unemployed, because this would increase greatly the overall quality of life. They will get other powerful jobs or just retire and enjoy some quiet family life (ok, this would not happen, because they are often power hungry workaholics). Of course little people around the oil industry who has no other expertise than oil engineering or are common share holders might suffer a minor loss in short term. But on the other hand they do not have any means to influence to anything. If too good to be true E-Cat is there for real, it will open up absolutely huge new economic niche into market as ALL airplanes, locomotives, ships and trucks must be upgraded immediately, because oil driven technology is just too expensive to upkeep. This means that anyone who can produce any components for E-Cat steam engines, can have everything sold instantly and regardless of the price tag, because markets will suffer years to come because supply just is unable to match with demand. Therefore there is plenty of market potential even for oil companies and most of them are already moved in direction of general energy industry as everyone knows that peak oil will come sooner than later. ―Jouni
Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
Among all the Millises and the Millses, I'd say Milli was practically born for this field. Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 27, 2011, at 16:04, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/viareggio-cold-fusion-conference-science-politics-and-an-italian-competitor/ QUOTE: 19.10 – Among the public Milly Moratti takes the word and states that there are clearly now experimental evidences of Cold Fusion. Now, for the one who do not know, Milli Moratti is the wife of Massimo Moratti, one of the richest man in Italy and owner of the Saras Petrol Refinery, The biggest in Italy and one of the biggest in Europe. That’s a 5,3 Billion Euro Company. She has money and the political knowledge. [I have never heard of this person.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Moratti - Jed
Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law
I think both the temperature gradient and the reactor temperature contribute to the effect, IMO. Harry From: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com To: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:45:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law You’re alluding to a thermal gradient, where I think you are saying reaction rate is a function of the magnitude of the gradient. I don’t think it is the gradient that should be considered but the temperature itself. A thermal gradient is responsible for heat flow. The greater the temperature difference between two regions the more heat energy will flow. What you seem to On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Harry veeder wrote: To be more precise, the temperature difference between the inside of the reaction vessel and the water cannot be greater than a certain value or the generation of heat will cease and the difference cannot be less than a certain value or the reactor temperature will then begin to rise autonomously until the vessel melts. These crucial temperature differences are calculated by subtracting the water temperature from the optimal operating temperature of the vessel's interior.
Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law
I mean isn't obvious that if the reaction can be influenced by cooling the reactor then a temperature difference must be contributing to the reaction. What is the theoretical reason for rejecting this hypothesis? harry From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:50:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law I think both the temperature gradient and the reactor temperature contribute to the effect, IMO. Harry From: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com To: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:45:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law You’re alluding to a thermal gradient, where I think you are saying reaction rate is a function of the magnitude of the gradient. I don’t think it is the gradient that should be considered but the temperature itself. A thermal gradient is responsible for heat flow. The greater the temperature difference between two regions the more heat energy will flow. What you seem to On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Harry veeder wrote: To be more precise, the temperature difference between the inside of the reaction vessel and the water cannot be greater than a certain value or the generation of heat will cease and the difference cannot be less than a certain value or the reactor temperature will then begin to rise autonomously until the vessel melts. These crucial temperature differences are calculated by subtracting the water temperature from the optimal operating temperature of the vessel's interior.
Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy
IF my memory is correct, refiners are not huge profit centers and many have sold to others. Also environmental regulations have the potential to kill them. I am not sure if refiners are welcomed in Italy...or anywhere on the coast of the Mediterranean. So there is a very good chance that refiners may welcome to convert to cold fusion technology- for the economics of it. Respectfully, Ron Kita , Chiralex On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Among all the Millises and the Millses, I'd say Milli was practically born for this field. Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 27, 2011, at 16:04, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/viareggio-cold-fusion-conference-science-politics-and-an-italian-competitor/ QUOTE: 19.10 – Among the public Milly Moratti takes the word and states that there are clearly now experimental evidences of Cold Fusion. Now, for the one who do not know, Milli Moratti is the wife of Massimo Moratti, one of the richest man in Italy and owner of the Saras Petrol Refinery, The biggest in Italy and one of the biggest in Europe. That’s a 5,3 Billion Euro Company. She has money and the political knowledge. [I have never heard of this person.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Moratti - Jed
