Re: [Vo]:OT: $35 computer sells out on first day of launch
reply to list my earlier message as I sent this to Guenter only due to his reply-to address On 02/29/2012 09:04 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Jones, I respect You, but here You are on the wrong track. This device is not intended to have any real-world-interfacing. It is located in a virtual world with only indirect interfacing to the r-w via USB. Look at olimexino and its relatives, how this is done. This is just 80MHz compared to the fancy 800MHz, but the difference is, that You talk to the 'world' (TM) with 80MHz, compared to 'Yourself ' (no TM) with 800MHz. So what is the difference, exactly? The device *does* have real world interfacing. In fact it has plenty. It has 2 i2c ports, SPI, UART, (not sure, but I believe also analog in), many GPIO's. It does however only have only 26 pins that you have to find a right muxing for to map them to your function. An arduino duemilanove has about the same # pins. A beaglebone has more like 80 of them. Arduino-like devices are very nice, too, and cheap. And you are right that you could use it just as well for controlling this kind of setups. Then, to control the arduino, you would need a computer for the necessary 'human interfacing'. With the idea in mind that people might actually want to have more than one peerpressure setup (for example for Defkalion-like inert/loaded comparisons), it is wise to have stand-alone controllers that can be managed over a web interface and also optionally can contact the internet database servers with their results on their own. Also, it is a matter of taste, but in my eyes a big pro that you can program these ARM devices like you can program your PC: use python, java, proper operating system calls, multitasking, memory allocation, nice storage support, etc.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Tungsten?
Everyone knows tungsten has been a prime suspect since the days of Langmuir and the atomic welder, As I recall from recent thread, Bohr convinced Langmuir to downplay the anomalous heat in favor of the greatly improved welding temps. I have gotten many messages from a tungsten proponent with a screen name of Lebricahn asking me to give heavier consideration to tungsten powder as a catalyst - the idea being that the tungsten electrodes of Langmuir would function magnitudes better with the increased surface area and geometry over Langmuir's electrodes. I suspect freshly milled tungsten powder in an oxygen free glove box would be even better. If the tungsten powder surfaces are not allowed to tarnish they should remain much more reactive once any shielding gas is displaced by the working gas. This goes back to a ZPE interpretation of pyrophoricity where the pyro path is eliminated allowing the reaction to scale to much higher temperatures based on geometry of both the powder and the working gas. Pyrophoricity is already a rare phenomenon in nature so raising it to an even higher level might explain the difficulty in repeatability. Fran From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Tungsten? yes it is ited in many larsen slkides as one of the key experiment. tungsten was seen vaporized in an unusual way when LENR signas were seen. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/slides/2009June25LatticeEnergySlides.pdf eg page 59, but many other (including exploding wires) 2012/2/29 Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com 4) If I remember correctly, Tungsten has been used in other cold fusion systems.
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The Case For the US Navy
Axil, That is some pretty astounding deductions - do you have any links of Rossi board vs previous involvements with other companies of DOD interest? If so you may Have nailed it! Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:28 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The Case For the US Navy The Case For the US Navy Reference: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html For those who want to read between the lines, the information from this PieEconomics web site informs us about what really happened doing the recent DOD LENR evaluation process between the competing LENR systems that occurred some months ago. During that timeframe, Rossi was looking for a US corporate sponsor to advance and fund the development of his E-Cat. We now can state with some certainty, the other competing system was the LENR system developed by NanoSpire. The competing demos resulted in the Rossi's selection as the leading LENR system vender with the NanoSpire cavitation base system handed its hat to look for sponsors elsewhere. The NanoSpire is too aggressive and powerful for the DOD with the production of harsh nuclear radiation and the prolific production of transuranic transmutation isotopes; something that the DOD would naturally shy away from. Like all losers in the DOD evaluation process, NanoSpire was handled roughly and this has embittered its CEO Mark LeClire against the various interested DOD agencies involved doing the evaluation but especially Rossi, his only competitor. This tidbit of new information confirms for me the identity of the DOD agency that is Rossi's first costumer. It is the US navy, and Rossi now works as a DOD contractor to develop a large scale power system for US shipboard applications. To meet the future power needs of electrically hungry future US shipboard systems is the reason why Rossi shifted his development efforts from the home heating market to the industrial large scale power plant implementation. This is also why the National instrument corporate relationship was severed in preference to a security certified navy automation subcontractor. This DOD relationship can tell us much about the investment partners that now form the main body of the Rossi corporate entity. Anyone familiar with how the DOD operates can deduce that the corporate structure of Rossi's operation and his associated corporate officers are former DOD officials and DOD subcontract management in good standing with many years experience at jumping to the tune of DOD department head string pullers who will closely follow the dictates of the navy department's shipboard power requirements going forward in a security envirrnment.
Re: [Vo]:The Case For the US Navy
Interesting enough I recalled that Rossi used warship word a few times starting around November... http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=10#comment-164009 Andrea Rossi January 5th, 2012 at 11:47 AM Dear Bernie Koppenhofer: Thank you for your suggestions, but be sure, we are a well fueled *warship*. Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=11#comment-113768 Andrea Rossi November 8th, 2011 at 2:57 PM Dear Matthew Waters: As I always said, I want not to play foot-ball with the bones of People. My company at the moment is a *warship* in stormy weather, during a hard battle. To invest in it is premature. So far we just sell industrial plants of 1 MW and our Customers are financing us. Warm Regards, A.R. mic Il 29 febbraio 2012 22:28, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com ha scritto: The Case For the US Navy Reference: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html For those who want to read between the lines, the information from this PieEconomics web site informs us about what really happened doing the recent DOD LENR evaluation process between the competing LENR systems that occurred some months ago. During that timeframe, Rossi was looking for a US corporate sponsor to advance and fund the development of his E-Cat. We now can state with some certainty, the other competing system was the LENR system developed by NanoSpire. The competing demos resulted in the Rossi’s selection as the leading LENR system vender with the NanoSpire cavitation base system handed its hat to look for sponsors elsewhere. The NanoSpire is too aggressive and powerful for the DOD with the production of harsh nuclear radiation and the prolific production of transuranic transmutation isotopes; something that the DOD would naturally shy away from. Like all losers in the DOD evaluation process, NanoSpire was handled roughly and this has embittered its CEO Mark LeClire against the various interested DOD agencies involved doing the evaluation but especially Rossi, his only competitor. This tidbit of new information confirms for me the identity of the DOD agency that is Rossi’s first costumer. It is the US navy, and Rossi now works as a DOD contractor to develop a large scale power system for US shipboard applications. To meet the future power needs of electrically hungry future US shipboard systems is the reason why Rossi shifted his development efforts from the home heating market to the industrial large scale power plant implementation. This is also why the National instrument corporate relationship was severed in preference to a security certified navy automation subcontractor. This DOD relationship can tell us much about the investment partners that now form the main body of the Rossi corporate entity. Anyone familiar with how the DOD operates can deduce that the corporate structure of Rossi’s operation and his associated corporate officers are former DOD officials and DOD subcontract management in good standing with many years experience at jumping to the tune of DOD department head string pullers who will closely follow the dictates of the navy department’s shipboard power requirements going forward in a security envirrnment.
[Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Earlier posts have suggested that DGT has control of their LENR reaction by using a regulated series of triggered events to generate heat. They have answered questions on their forum of this nature and I was wondering about a couple of issues. Is it possible that they have discovered a method of loading the nickel with a finite and regulated amount of hydrogen which is then triggered by their design to proceed until completion of the cycle? Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. Do we see evidence that a triggered process would react for a short time burst and be capable of reloading quickly? Of course, another possibility is that the reaction can be quenched by the application of a magnetic field associated with the DC trigger source. This technique might allow DGT to control the length of the energy burst in an inverse manner. Another possibility that occurs to me is that they might be using the triggering signal as a direct means of control for the heat generating process. The Patterson cell comes to mind as a process where the energy is released in proportion to the DC current that flows throughout the active material. Is this the method that they have rediscovered? Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? Dave
Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)
If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millions of dollars, so I don't think he would care much about losing a million. On Mar 1, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: If Dick Smith had not been such an ignorant jerk and had not turned down Defkalion's fair offer, he would have been one of the independent entities in testing Hyperions. Of course it is plausible, that losing $one million had been such a shock, that he would have hidden the results in shame and never publish them... —Jouni On 1 Mar 2012, at 07:16, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: What if DGT didn't have any tests? We'll never get results because these visiting entities might not even exist. Why can't DGT release the test results without the entities, but just don't mention who the entities are? This doesn't prove they have anything, but it's a start, and there is no reason not to. On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Daniel: As DGT has stated SEVERAL times, is it up to the visiting entities, NOT DGT, to release test results!!! You are not reading things correctly.. perhaps because English is not your native language. Those entities, if they CHOOSE to release the results, will very likely do it via the mainstream media, and their own website, NOT DGT’s website. Thus, the closing down of the DGT forum will not make any difference as to whether data is publicly released… -Mark From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik) Do not expect to see any data from these tests: Until Defkalion Green Technologies has its product, we shall no longer get involved in the games and blogs of online media. Our next announcement in the coming months will be that of a successful and certified product. http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1278 Data is surely a part of these online games.
Re: [Vo]:Nature Editorial: If you want reproducible science, the software needs to be open source
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Harry: From OrionWorks: What I can say is that the new system involves an alternative way of graphing out a periodic orbit - where you plot an elliptical orbit on a TIME-LINE chart. The orbital distance is the Y vertical value and the horizontal X value is the time value. That graph should look something like a sine curveor not? You're on the right track. However the time-line looks more like a bouncing ball. I think I understand now. You are mapping a two dimensional distance vector to the distance axis of your distance-time graph, so that a perfectly circular orbit corresponds to a straight line. This differs from a distance time graph in an introductory course in physics where the distance axis represents the length of a one dimensional vector so that a straight line in this graph corresponds with a stationary body (and by implication zero velocity and zero acceleration.) The bouncing part is where the satellite has reached the perihelion (closest distance) in the orbital period. I am puzzled by this. Why isn't there a bouncing part at the aphelion? Ironically, at this moment in time I would conjecture that it would not be incorrect to stipulate that the orbiting satellite is behaving as if it's being influenced by a NEGATIVE gravitational field. That's where the 1/r^3 (cubed) part of the algorithm comes into play. It influences the direction the satellite is taking by pushing it away. Traditionally speaking, we are used to interpreting that aspect of the orbit as the influence of centripetal action. It's all a matter of interpretation! The cubed (negative forces) influence only comes into play in close proximity to the planet for which the satellite is orbiting around. At farther distances, the normal 1/r^2 (attractive forces) take over. It's really kind of a nifty perspective, if not a little wacky! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the second burst and they denied that was the case. T
Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millions of dollars, so I don't think he would care much about losing a million. It's been my experience that people with millions of dollars do care about losing a million dollars. T
RE: [Vo]:Nature Editorial: If you want reproducible science, the software needs to be open source
Speed increases as the satellite orbits closer to its parent, and slows as the orbit is extended. As the x-axis is a linear representation of time, the changes in speed during orbit serve to compress the wave troughs and expand the wave peaks. Thus the wave resembles more of a bouncing ball than a simple sine. Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:25:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nature Editorial: If you want reproducible science, the software needs to be open source From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Harry: From OrionWorks: What I can say is that the new system involves an alternative way of graphing out a periodic orbit - where you plot an elliptical orbit on a TIME-LINE chart. The orbital distance is the Y vertical value and the horizontal X value is the time value. That graph should look something like a sine curveor not? You're on the right track. However the time-line looks more like a bouncing ball. I think I understand now. You are mapping a two dimensional distance vector to the distance axis of your distance-time graph, so that a perfectly circular orbit corresponds to a straight line. This differs from a distance time graph in an introductory course in physics where the distance axis represents the length of a one dimensional vector so that a straight line in this graph corresponds with a stationary body (and by implication zero velocity and zero acceleration.) The bouncing part is where the satellite has reached the perihelion (closest distance) in the orbital period. I am puzzled by this. Why isn't there a bouncing part at the aphelion? Ironically, at this moment in time I would conjecture that it would not be incorrect to stipulate that the orbiting satellite is behaving as if it's being influenced by a NEGATIVE gravitational field. That's where the 1/r^3 (cubed) part of the algorithm comes into play. It influences the direction the satellite is taking by pushing it away. Traditionally speaking, we are used to interpreting that aspect of the orbit as the influence of centripetal action. It's all a matter of interpretation! The cubed (negative forces) influence only comes into play in close proximity to the planet for which the satellite is orbiting around. At farther distances, the normal 1/r^2 (attractive forces) take over. It's really kind of a nifty perspective, if not a little wacky! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)
It depends on what he loses it for. Why do milliionaires give a million dollars to charities? It would be a much better use of money to spend it on proving cold fusion is real. I think Dick Smith's offer is genuine, and he won't try to back out of paying the million dollars if it is proven. I do think he is kind of stupid with the protocols he was expecting Defkalion to make though. On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millions of dollars, so I don't think he would care much about losing a million. It's been my experience that people with millions of dollars do care about losing a million dollars. T
Re: [Vo]:Nature Editorial: If you want reproducible science, the software needs to be open source
The orbital distance is changing faster when the object is closest to the earth which would tend to look like a quick bounce. At the far spacing, the change in orbital distance is slower depending upon the elliptical shape. The mathematical equation defining the function of orbital distance versus time should be available and in a closed form. I recall that equal orbital areas are swept out in equal time, which is one of Kepler's laws as derived by Newton. Wikipedia has a fairly good article on Kepler's laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:25 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nature Editorial: If you want reproducible science, the software needs to be open source On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Harry: From OrionWorks: What I can say is that the new system involves an alternative way of raphing out a periodic orbit - where you plot an elliptical orbit on a IME-LINE chart. The orbital distance is the Y vertical value and the orizontal X value is the time value. That graph should look something like a sine curveor not? You're on the right track. However the time-line looks more like a bouncing ball. I think I understand now. You are mapping a two dimensional distance ector to the distance axis of your distance-time graph, so that a erfectly circular orbit corresponds to a straight line. his differs from a distance time graph in an introductory course in hysics where the distance axis represents the length of a one imensional vector so that a straight line in this graph corresponds ith a stationary body (and by implication zero velocity and zero cceleration.) The bouncing part is where the satellite has reached the perihelion (closest distance) in the orbital period. I am puzzled by this. Why isn't there a bouncing part at the aphelion? Ironically, at this moment in time I would conjecture that it would not be incorrect to stipulate that the orbiting satellite is behaving as if it's being influenced by a NEGATIVE gravitational field. That's where the 1/r^3 (cubed) part of the algorithm comes into play. It influences the direction the satellite is taking by pushing it away. Traditionally speaking, we are used to interpreting that aspect of the orbit as the influence of centripetal action. It's all a matter of interpretation! The cubed (negative forces) influence only comes into play in close proximity to the planet for which the satellite is orbiting around. At farther distances, the normal 1/r^2 (attractive forces) take over. It's really kind of a nifty perspective, if not a little wacky! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)
The problem with Dick Smith's Prize is that it is being offered to the independent tester. On its face it seeks to compromise the independence and credibility of the tester. Nothing could be dumber. In addition the reason to establish a prize is to stimulate investment in an attempt to break a technological barrier, in that regard prizes are really effective. The Orteig prize won by Lindbergh was only $25,000 but generated investment of over $400,000. Smith's prize which is not paid to the LENR researcher/inventor does not even create this stimulus. Ransom - Original Message - From: Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik) It depends on what he loses it for. Why do milliionaires give a million dollars to charities? It would be a much better use of money to spend it on proving cold fusion is real. I think Dick Smith's offer is genuine, and he won't try to back out of paying the million dollars if it is proven. I do think he is kind of stupid with the protocols he was expecting Defkalion to make though. On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millions of dollars, so I don't think he would care much about losing a million. It's been my experience that people with millions of dollars do care about losing a million dollars. T
Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik)
Yes, I know. His original offer to defkalion and Rossi are genuine, and this one is genuine even though it doesn't make sense. He's just stupid, but he is genuine. On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Randy Wuller wrote: The problem with Dick Smith's Prize is that it is being offered to the independent tester. On its face it seeks to compromise the independence and credibility of the tester. Nothing could be dumber. In addition the reason to establish a prize is to stimulate investment in an attempt to break a technological barrier, in that regard prizes are really effective. The Orteig prize won by Lindbergh was only $25,000 but generated investment of over $400,000. Smith's prize which is not paid to the LENR researcher/inventor does not even create this stimulus. Ransom - Original Message - From: Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:DGT's 1st test did not test power, just safety (NyTeknik) It depends on what he loses it for. Why do milliionaires give a million dollars to charities? It would be a much better use of money to spend it on proving cold fusion is real. I think Dick Smith's offer is genuine, and he won't try to back out of paying the million dollars if it is proven. I do think he is kind of stupid with the protocols he was expecting Defkalion to make though. On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: If cold fusion is real, Dick Smith immediately makes millions of dollars, so I don't think he would care much about losing a million. It's been my experience that people with millions of dollars do care about losing a million dollars. T
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the econd burst and they denied that was the case. T
[Vo]:Krivit on SPAWAR LENR Shut-down
Navy Commander Halts SPAWAR LENR Research http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/01/navy-commander-halts-spawar-lenr-research/ SPAWAR LENR Research Background Information http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/01/spawar-lenr-research-background-information/ (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:New Presentation on Widom-Larsen Theory
Lewis Larsen has just posted a presentation on W-L theory covering both history and theory. It is timely, since one of W-L's proponents (Y.N. Srivastava) will be co-presenting at CERN with Celani on March 22. A closer look at LENRs in condensed matter systems http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc300-nanoseconds-in-life-of-an-lenractive-patchfeb-29-2012 Especially with respect to transmutations, W-L theory makes a lot of verifiable/falsifiable predictions. Hopefully, the Celani-Srivastava presentation will motivate more experiments.
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? They claimed to be able to create whatever pulse rate they chose. Lately, however, my skepti-hackles are a-raisin'. T
RE: [Vo]:Krivit on SPAWAR LENR Shut-down
These comments are interesting: In response to your recent query, Fallin wrote, while I won't discuss details of our internal decision-making processes, I will confirm SPAWAR plans no further low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research. There are other organizations within the federal government that are better aligned to continue research regarding nuclear power. So SPAWAR specifically is out of LENR, not the whole Navy. And most telling is this... We have taken initial steps to determine how a transition of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research might occur. So they are transferring further research to some other facility or department... i.e., they KNOW something novel is happening and that other entity will continue the work. It could also mean that the whole field of LENR has been reclassified as secret, and is being transferred to the black-ops community... don't look for anything coming out of those folks that helps out us peasants! -Mark -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Krivit on SPAWAR LENR Shut-down Navy Commander Halts SPAWAR LENR Research http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/01/navy-commander-halts-spawar-lenr- research/ SPAWAR LENR Research Background Information http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/01/spawar-lenr-research-background-i nformation/ (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
What exactly do we mean by reloading? It can't be the same as initial loading where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to circulate hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel prototype], apparently circulation isn't needed at the macro scale because we aren't taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I can see where changing the pressure up and down might modify the degree that the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you aren't circulating new gas.. or is this what you mean by reloading ? Fran From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.commailto:hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the second burst and they denied that was the case. T
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:44:25 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. See http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62096.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Robin, Reset is a better term than trigger. Like resetting bowling pins but Hydride ions instead being placed into orderly spots within the Nickel lattice. Please note the image WI8FO - Imgur.png within the URL http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/taken-at-face-value-rossis-october-6th-e-cat-event-demonstrates-nuclear-reaction/ This saw tooth pattern is quite familiar to me in graphs of Ni-H fusions but usually published as Temperature VS Time. Regards the $35 Raspberry Pi computer, can I power it with a battery, Load Slacko OS in, attach wireless mouse and keyboard. connect it to the internet DSL modem and plug in a flat monitor? I am not that familiar with computers. Also will it be available in the USA and how soon? Warm Regards, Reality mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:44:25 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. See http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62096.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
My terminology is probably inadequate at best. I was attempting to describe a system which quickly recovers from a triggered positive feedback pulse. The pulse is not required to eliminate all of the available fuel, but would continue as long as the positive feedback conditions exist. The device can begin to accumulate new fuel (hydrogen) immediately after the pulse ends until it has reached a state that is capable of being re triggered. The reloading that I mention happens within this recovery period. In this scenario the nickel-hydrogen mix has a multitude of sites that are on the verge of being capable of triggering. Perhaps several sites are simultaneously driven and an energy spike results until they are depleted. It may not take long before other sites come on line and then become triggered in turn. The net effect is that additional energy pulses can be triggered rapidly. Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? What exactly do we mean by “reloading”? It can’t be the same as initial loading where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to “circulate” hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel prototype], apparently circulation isn’t needed at the macro scale because we aren’t taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I can see where changing the “pressure” up and down might modify the degree that the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you aren’t circulating new gas.. or is this what you mean by “reloading” ? Fran From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the second burst and they denied that was the case. T
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Von: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:34 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 ## Regards the $35 Raspberry Pi computer, can I power it with a battery, A: you need regulated 5V/700mA from any source. There are accu-pacs who do that ### Load Slacko OS in, A: do'nt know. anyway, it has to provide drivers. So probably not a good idea, if you are not that experienced. Stick to the community standard ### attach wireless mouse and keyboard. A. Yes. see http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#Hardware_.26_Peripherals ### connect it to the internet DSL modem and plug in a flat monitor? A1: DSL: it depends A2: Monitor: w. Composite RCA, HDMI ### Also will it be available in the USA and how soon? A: Check Farnell and RS-components. they do the assembly and worldwide distribution. currently You can only signal your interest. The first batch is only 10k units. Distributors have to check, how big the interest is, for their production-planning. This will probably take 1-2 months. I expect interest in this little thingy to be in the 100ks to eventually millions, depending on user-support. ## For me personally, the PPi is moderately interesting, because I normally work on a lower hardware-level, but will jump on, if there is a lively user-base. The microcontroller-crowd is a very diverse lot, so it is difficult to predict, how much interest it gets. This is an intermediate device between GUI-based-users and low-level geeks. In this respect it is probably not the best of both worlds. Hope that helps Guenter
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Von: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:57 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 Betreff: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? My terminology is probably inadequate at best. # Dave, I think at the current state of affairs we are mired in speculation. None of the parties has a clear understanding/theory, of what is going on. So to make sense of the situation, one has to assume, that a) there is an effect b) there is no valid theory c) some tinkerers (Rossi/DGT) somehow managed to tickle the effect to COP 6 - 20 or such. So controlling a possible runaway-effect is the result of trial-and error. No party involved has the scientific and technical skill to elaborate a precise theory of the process. This resembles a bit of Galileo, who did a lot of tinkering with glass-selection and lens-design. Galileo only had a vague idea, how the lenses for his telescope had to be shaped. He found this out by consulting the best manufacturers of glass in Venice, and developed techniques for the optimal shaping of the lenses. How did he do that? By looking into the sky. This is the archetypical case, where observation and 'technology' preceded 'theory', i.e. the Ptolemiaean system. Actually it was Fraunhofer and his likes, who found out the intricacies of lens-design hundreds of years later. Von: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:57 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 Betreff: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? My terminology is probably inadequate at best. I was attempting to describe a system which quickly recovers from a triggered positive feedback pulse. The pulse is not required to eliminate all of the available fuel, but would continue as long as the positive feedback conditions exist. The device can begin to accumulate new fuel (hydrogen) immediately after the pulse ends until it has reached a state that is capable of being re triggered. The reloading that I mention happens within this recovery period. In this scenario the nickel-hydrogen mix has a multitude of sites that are on the verge of being capable of triggering. Perhaps several sites are simultaneously driven and an energy spike results until they are depleted. It may not take long before other sites come on line and then become triggered in turn. The net effect is that additional energy pulses can be triggered rapidly. Dave -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? What exactly do we mean by “reloading”? It can’t be the same as initial loading where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to “circulate” hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel prototype], apparently circulation isn’t needed at the macro scale because we aren’t taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I can see where changing the “pressure” up and down might modify the degree that the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you aren’t circulating new gas.. or is this what you mean by “reloading” ? Fran From:David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically
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After the gas crunch in the 70's coal was going to be king. At least 11 coal fired power plants now going down in the NE. Many more to follow. Where is the power going to come from after this? With possible problems in the GULF, we are approaching a perfect storm of energy problems. . Subject: partial list of coal fire power plants being shut down in the NE Plant / Location MWs Shutdown Date Elrama / PA 460 June 2012 N iles / OH 217 June 2012 Portland / PA 401 January 2015 Avon Lake / OH 732 April 2015 New Castle / PA 330 April 2015 Shawville / PA 597 April 2015 Titus / PA 243 April 2015 Glen Gardner / NJ 160 May 2015 Fisk Station City of ChicagoDec. 31, 2012 Crawford Station Illinois Dec 31, 2014. Homer City Units #1 and #2 may close 2400 MW Date not released http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201203010207KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_21691_5480-1params=timestamp||03/01/2012%202:07%20AM%20ET||headline||3%20more%20power%20plants%20set%20to%20close%20in%20W.Pa.%20%5BThe%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%5D||docSource||Knight%20Ridder/Tribune||provider||ACQUIREMEDIA||bridgesymbol||US;FEticker=FE:US
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
George Miley and Xiaoling Yang have just published the abstract - A Game-Changing Power Source Based on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENRs) http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/3051.pdf - which will be presented in the ADVANCED CONCEPTS: LENR, ANTI-MATTER, AND NEW PHYSICS Session http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/sess462.pdf - Friday, March 23, 2012 at the NETS (Nuclear and Emerging Technologies for Space meeting) The Woodlands, TX, March 21-23, 2012 http://anstd.ans.org/NETS2012/NETS2012Home.html They briefly discuss pressure cycling to generate heat from Patterson-type cells. Perhaps, someone living within driving distance of Houston could attend, and ask for more details. Also, Yang's and Miley's email addresses are on the abstract, in case anyone wants to contact them. What exactly do we mean by reloading? It can't be the same as initial loading where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to circulate hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel prototype], apparently circulation isn't needed at the macro scale because we aren't taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I can see where changing the pressure up and down might modify the degree that the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you aren't circulating new gas.. or is this what you mean by reloading ? Fran From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.commailto:hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the second burst and they denied that was the case. T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
I am getting the impression that the old timer LENR researchers are hung up on deuterium and Helium 4 ash as the only true path toward LENR success. Not true. Ni-H is the golden path ahead. You will find gold where others are finding it, not in your living room rug. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: George Miley and Xiaoling Yang have just published the abstract - A Game-Changing Power Source Based on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENRs) http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/3051.pdf - which will be presented in the ADVANCED CONCEPTS: LENR, ANTI-MATTER, AND NEW PHYSICS Session http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/sess462.pdf - Friday, March 23, 2012 at the NETS (Nuclear and Emerging Technologies for Space meeting) The Woodlands, TX, March 21-23, 2012 http://anstd.ans.org/NETS2012/NETS2012Home.html They briefly discuss pressure cycling to generate heat from Patterson-type cells. Perhaps, someone living within driving distance of Houston could attend, and ask for more details. Also, Yang's and Miley's email addresses are on the abstract, in case anyone wants to contact them. What exactly do we mean by reloading? It can't be the same as initial loading where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to circulate hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel prototype], apparently circulation isn't needed at the macro scale because we aren't taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I can see where changing the pressure up and down might modify the degree that the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you aren't circulating new gas.. or is this what you mean by reloading ? Fran From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.commailto:hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the second burst and they denied that was the case. T
Re: [Vo]:Partial list of coal fire power plants being shut down in the NE
The US has a 100 year reserve of natural gas, so why burn coal? On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: After the gas crunch in the 70's coal was going to be king. At least 11 coal fired power plants now going down in the NE. Many more to follow. Where is the power going to come from after this? With possible problems in the GULF, we are approaching a perfect storm of energy problems. . Subject: partial list of coal fire power plants being shut down in the NE *Plant / Location MWs Shutdown Dat*e Elrama / PA 460June 2012 N iles / OH 217 June 2012 Portland / PA 401 January 2015 Avon Lake / OH 732April 2015 New Castle / PA 330April 2015 Shawville / PA 597April 2015 Titus / PA 243April 2015 Glen Gardner / NJ 160 May 2015 Fisk Station City of Chicago Dec. 31, 2012 Crawford Station Illinois Dec 31, 2014. Homer City Units #1 and #2 may close 2400 MW Date not released http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201203010207KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_21691_5480-1params=timestamp||03/01/2012%202:07%20AM%20ET||headline||3%20more%20power%20plants%20set%20to%20close%20in%20W.Pa.%20%5BThe%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%5D||docSource||Knight%20Ridder/Tribune||provider||ACQUIREMEDIA||bridgesymbol||US;FEticker=FE:UShttp://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201203010207KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_21691_5480-1params=timestamp%7C%7C03/01/2012%202:07%20AM%20ET%7C%7Cheadline%7C%7C3%20more%20power%20plants%20set%20to%20close%20in%20W.Pa.%20%5BThe%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%5D%7C%7CdocSource%7C%7CKnight%20Ridder/Tribune%7C%7Cprovider%7C%7CACQUIREMEDIA%7C%7Cbridgesymbol%7C%7CUS;FEticker=FE:US
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Many in the cold fusion community know what is happening in the NiH reaction but they are restrained by non-disclosure or security blackout. NanoSpire has found the active agent in the LENR process. It is an intensely polarized crystalline substance that lowers the coulomb barrier using a directed application of strong coherent dipole radiation onto whatever nuclei of whatever element or compound you want to fusion. http://www.nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html LeClair has it all laid out here and he is willing to share. “Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” Rossi creates these crystals via his secret sauce, but at first he did not understand what in detail he was doing. But the DOD people who having been educated by LeClair informed Rossi about what was really happening in his reaction. LeClair thinks Rossi stole his idea, but Rossi just blundered into it. Through an innovation by DGT, these crystals being highly sensitive to magnetic fields can be aligned using a magnetic field to point at or point away from the lattice. When they are focused on the nickel powder hydrogen/nickel fusion occurs, when they are defocused away from the powder by the magnetic field fusion stops. It is as simple as that. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ** Earlier posts have suggested that DGT has control of their LENR reaction by using a regulated series of triggered events to generate heat. They have answered questions on their forum of this nature and I was wondering about a couple of issues. Is it possible that they have discovered a method of loading the nickel with a finite and regulated amount of hydrogen which is then triggered by their design to proceed until completion of the cycle? Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. Do we see evidence that a triggered process would react for a short time burst and be capable of reloading quickly? Of course, another possibility is that the reaction can be quenched by the application of a magnetic field associated with the DC trigger source. This technique might allow DGT to control the length of the energy burst in an inverse manner. Another possibility that occurs to me is that they might be using the triggering signal as a direct means of control for the heat generating process. The Patterson cell comes to mind as a process where the energy is released in proportion to the DC current that flows throughout the active material. Is this the method that they have rediscovered? Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? Dave
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Axil, The crystalline substance may be hydride/water adducts as found in Sodium borohydride solutions. The hydride ion being negatively charged is a possible candidate for placing into Ni lattice orbitals. The thrust of the following URL's: http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/the-chan-formula-4.html http://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion possibly influenced the thrust of Rossi and others. I recall that it was pointed out by someone the importance of Fe powder influenced by RFG to both align Ni lattice structure and oscillate the hydride ion into such a state to neutralize the Zitterbewegung helical energy, thus reducing the barrier allowing a neutron to fuse with the nucleus leaving an electron in the hydride space. Warm Regards, Reality Axil Axil wrote: Many in the cold fusion community know what is happening in the NiH reaction but they are restrained by non-disclosure or security blackout. NanoSpire has found the active agent in the LENR process. It is an intensely polarized crystalline substance that lowers the coulomb barrier using a directed application of strong coherent dipole radiation onto whatever nuclei of whatever element or compound you want to fusion. http://www.nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html LeClair has it all laid out here and he is willing to share. “Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” Rossi creates these crystals via his secret sauce, but at first he did not understand what in detail he was doing. But the DOD people who having been educated by LeClair informed Rossi about what was really happening in his reaction. LeClair thinks Rossi stole his idea, but Rossi just blundered into it. Through an innovation by DGT, these crystals being highly sensitive to magnetic fields can be aligned using a magnetic field to point at or point away from the lattice. When they are focused on the nickel powder hydrogen/nickel fusion occurs, when they are defocused away from the powder by the magnetic field fusion stops. It is as simple as that. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Earlier posts have suggested that DGT has control of their LENR reaction by using a regulated series of triggered events to generate heat. They have answered questions on their forum of this nature and I was wondering about a couple of issues. Is it possible that they have discovered a method of loading the nickel with a finite and regulated amount of hydrogen which is then triggered by their design to proceed until completion of the cycle? Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. Do we see evidence that a triggered process would react for a short time burst and be capable of reloading quickly? Of course, another possibility is that the reaction can be quenched by the application of a magnetic field associated with the DC trigger source. This technique might allow DGT to control the length of the energy burst in an inverse manner. Another possibility that occurs to me is that they might be using the triggering signal as a direct means of control for the heat generating process. The Patterson cell comes to mind as a process where the energy is released in proportion to the DC current that flows throughout the active material. Is this the method that they have rediscovered? Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? Dave
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Axil, Miley, et al, are working on Ni-H cells also. I am getting the impression that the old timer LENR researchers are hung up on deuterium and Helium 4 ash as the only true path toward LENR success. Not true. Ni-H is the golden path ahead. You will find gold where others are finding it, not in your living room rug. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: George Miley and Xiaoling Yang have just published the abstract - A Game-Changing Power Source Based on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENRs) http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/nets2012/pdf/3051.pdf [...]
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Thanks for the links to this information. I presume that this theory is one of many which needs to be proven. Dave -Original Message- From: integral.property.service integral.property.serv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Axil, The crystalline substance may be hydride/water adducts as found in odium borohydride solutions. The hydride ion being negatively charged s a possible candidate for placing into Ni lattice orbitals. The thrust f the following URL's: ttp://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/the-chan-formula-4.html ttp://www.ecatplanet.net/showthread.php?100-Chan-Method-of-Ni-H-fusion ossibly influenced the thrust of Rossi and others. I recall that it was ointed out by someone the importance of Fe powder influenced by RFG to oth align Ni lattice structure and oscillate the hydride ion into such state to neutralize the Zitterbewegung helical energy, thus reducing he barrier allowing a neutron to fuse with the nucleus leaving an lectron in the hydride space. Warm Regards, Reality xil Axil wrote: Many in the cold fusion community know what is happening in the NiH reaction but they are restrained by non-disclosure or security blackout. NanoSpire has found the active agent in the LENR process. It is an intensely polarized crystalline substance that lowers the coulomb barrier using a directed application of strong coherent dipole radiation onto whatever nuclei of whatever element or compound you want to fusion. http://www.nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html LeClair has it all laid out here and he is willing to share. “Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” Rossi creates these crystals via his secret sauce, but at first he did not understand what in detail he was doing. But the DOD people who having been educated by LeClair informed Rossi about what was really happening in his reaction. LeClair thinks Rossi stole his idea, but Rossi just blundered into it. Through an innovation by DGT, these crystals being highly sensitive to magnetic fields can be aligned using a magnetic field to point at or point away from the lattice. When they are focused on the nickel powder hydrogen/nickel fusion occurs, when they are defocused away from the powder by the magnetic field fusion stops. It is as simple as that. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Earlier posts have suggested that DGT has control of their LENR reaction by using a regulated series of triggered events to generate heat. They have answered questions on their forum of this nature and I was wondering about a couple of issues. Is it possible that they have discovered a method of loading the nickel with a finite and regulated amount of hydrogen which is then triggered by their design to proceed until completion of the cycle? Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. Do we see evidence that a triggered process would react for a short time burst and be capable of reloading quickly? Of course, another possibility is that the reaction can be quenched by the application of a magnetic field associated with the DC trigger source. This technique might allow DGT to control the length of the energy burst in an inverse manner. Another possibility that occurs to me is that they might be using the triggering signal as a direct means of control for the heat generating process. The Patterson cell comes to mind as a process where the energy is released in proportion to the DC current that flows throughout the active material. Is this the method that they have rediscovered? Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? Dave
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I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Axil said[snip] Through an innovation by DGT, these crystals being highly sensitive to magnetic fields can be aligned using a magnetic field to point at or point away from the lattice. When they are focused on the nickel powder hydrogen/nickel fusion occurs, when they are defocused away from the powder by the magnetic field fusion stops. [/snip] Axil, I like your explanation and it led me to a novel thought,,, You know my relativistic interpretation regarding vacuum wavelengths and Casimir effect throughout the geometric tapestry formed by the grains of nano powder. This magnetic field you reference is being generated outside the geometry and must FLOW like a bar magnet from North to South from whatever source of magnetic field you are employing down into this bulk material where the variations in vacuum energy density cause extremely sudden steps in the isotropy instead of the slow gravitational gradients we consider homogenous at the macro scale. These different regions can be regarded as having different gravitational accelerations AND your suggestion of the magnetic field makes me ask the following... Would such a magnetic field tethered as it were in our space time and flowing through these different equivalent accelerations In the bulk material bend with space time and take on these equivalent acceleration? Or, would the tether keep it from translating like fractional hydrogen such that the suppressed space time and any particles along for the ride like Rydberg matter or hydrinos, experience relative motion relative to the tethered magnetic field courtesy of the suppression? Fran
[Vo]:SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte: Rich Murray 2012.03.01
SPAWAR has yet to respond re simple error in claims of effects of external high voltage dc fields inside a conducting electrolyte: Rich Murray 2012.03.01 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2012/03/spawar-has-yet-to-respond-re-simple.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/94 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/01/spawar-lenr-research-background-information/#comments http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NAVY/20120207SPAWAR-JWK-Synopsis-of-Refereed-LENR-Publications.pdf Synopsis of Refereed LENR Publications P.A. Mosier-Boss, F.E. Gordon and S. Szpak SPAWAR Systems Center-Pacific, San Diego, CA 92152 L.P.G. Forsley 1, J.W. Khim JWK International, Annandale, VA 22003 1 larryfors...@gmail.com Subsequent papers examined elemental transmutation, effects of external fields, and measurements of fast neutron energy and their source. SPAWAR CR-39 single triple track gives neutron energy -- repeats 'external electric field' error in July EPJAP paper, PA Mosier-Boss et al -- L Kowalski re lack of proof of nuclear reactions 2010.06.12: Rich Murray 2010.07.21 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/07/spawar-cr-39-single-triple-track-gives.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/56 Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/02/extraordinary-error-no-electric-field.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42 Rich Murray, MA Boston University Graduate School 1967 psychology, BS MIT 1964 history and physics, 254-A Donax Avenue, Imperial Beach, CA 91932 rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 Skype audio, video rich.murray11 http://RMForAll.blogspot.com new primary archive http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AstroDeep/messages http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rmforall/messages http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages group with 117 members, 1,641 posts in a public archive
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed
I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum. How did they not know that a lot of people only care about independent verification, and if Defkalion is not willing to provide that, why set up a forum? The criticism was their own fault when they failed to follow their own protocols. I'm not going to accept this secret test BS much longer, either. They said they'd provide independent verification the first months of this year. I assume that means non secret independent verification by the end of this month, and I expect them to do this. If they don't, I'll become the next MaryYugo and really harp on Defkalion and Rossi. Actually, I probably won't because I'll just stop wasting my time on this pointless drama. On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Craig Brown wrote: This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world. Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 02, 2012 1:40 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have been there almost as long as the moderators. Now I get this message when I try to post: You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum sigh I hope they have something. If not, we are all fools. I am not amused. T
[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Hello Any clues to what the secret sauce is then? Regards mårten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence? Datum: fre, mar 2, 2012 02:04 Many in the cold fusion community know what is happening in the NiH reaction but they are restrained by non-disclosure or security blackout. NanoSpire has found the active agent in the LENR process. It is an intensely polarized crystalline substance that lowers the coulomb barrier using a directed application of strong coherent dipole radiation onto whatever nuclei of whatever element or compound you want to fusion. http://www.nanospireinc.com/Fusion.htmlLeClair has it all laid out here and he is willing to share. “Produced by the enormous pressure of cavitation bubble collapse, many of the jets were seen to have facets and to possess tremendous electrostatic charge.” Rossi creates these crystals via his secret sauce, but at first he did not understand what in detail he was doing. But the DOD people who having been educated by LeClair informed Rossi about what was really happening in his reaction. LeClair thinks Rossi stole his idea, but Rossi just blundered into it.Through an innovation by DGT, these crystals being highly sensitive to magnetic fields can be aligned using a magnetic field to point at or point away from the lattice. When they are focused on the nickel powder hydrogen/nickel fusion occurs, when they are defocused away from the powder by the magnetic field fusion stops. It is as simple as that. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Earlier posts have suggested that DGT has control of their LENR reaction by using a regulated series of triggered events to generate heat. They have answered questions on their forum of this nature and I was wondering about a couple of issues. Is it possible that they have discovered a method of loading the nickel with a finite and regulated amount of hydrogen which is then triggered by their design to proceed until completion of the cycle? Would such a process behave as a positive feedback mechanism that exhausts all of the available loaded hydrogen and then go into a depleted mode until reloaded and triggered again? If this is their plan then it appears to be quite different than the technique that Rossi seems to utilize. Do we see evidence that a triggered process would react for a short time burst and be capable of reloading quickly? Of course, another possibility is that the reaction can be quenched by the application of a magnetic field associated with the DC trigger source. This technique might allow DGT to control the length of the energy burst in an inverse manner. Another possibility that occurs to me is that they might be using the triggering signal as a direct means of control for the heat generating process. The Patterson cell comes to mind as a process where the energy is released in proportion to the DC current that flows throughout the active material. Is this the method that they have rediscovered? Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the above concepts? Dave
