Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
about Enron, read http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it was sincere self delusion leading to perceived as rational honest fraud, and not simple scam. 2012/7/25 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com The equivalent to Enron's Smartest Guys movie about the 2008 collapse is Inside Job: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/ However, it is more of a documentary than a drama. Tells the story well. T
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Great article. about Glass-Seagle act, it seems more complex. First of all, none of the crash that happens were linked to such mix explicitly. second it is no more possible to factually separate the two activities, since there are financial tools that allow to get around the regulation. Anyway the deregulation of that period, and all the globalization is behind that. like in LENR you have seen a globalization of criteria, of elite,of good practices, of media, that killed the bio-diversity, the speciation (creation of species). Like the pterosaure they over adapt to specific condition, and could not survive when the condition changed. it seems that to survive in that global competition banks had to all do the same short term paying, long term stupid decision. the few banks not doing so were called stupid (I'm in one, but one or our ex-subsidies I worked for get famous on the market for a huge crash - It is for them that I've learned that in finance products complexity, titrization, allow big actors to make margin and small actors, and that if you don't increase complexity, you die., in fact in both case you die.) it is the same in LENR for science. science have to follow the fashion to get funding, yet by doing so it prepare it's own death of ridicule, as it is happening. the choice is between dying today killed by the short term winners, or dying soon because of the facts that catch you back. All of that because pure and perfect global competition dis not allow bio-diversity in the economic/politic system. we should rebuild island when different species can optimize sub-optimal solutions. take the Italian science that crazily could develop research on LENR despite the blacklisting. take NASA or SPAWAR that could have a small yet non null budget to work on LENR. in a perfectly managed science administration THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN ! consensus and peer review is there to forbid it. democratic budget control should forbid it for the sake of efficiency. hopefully it happens. 8) of course there will be stupid research, pseudo-science, but at least we could criticize them even when they are mainstream. Eg: in France there is a big debate on the stupidity of Psychoanalysis about autistic troubles, after decades of underground critics on psychoanalysis as being an official pseudoscience. at last it is breaking, but it is decades that we use proved non working therapies, not to cure sick people. at the same time Cognitivo-Behavioral therapy are poorly financed, yet they work in a prooved way... And it is probably only because in US the culture is different that French dissenters can have access to data supporting CBT. 2012/7/24 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I saw the HBO movie, Too Big to Fail, about the 2008 market crash. I recommend it. It is a dramatization with actors. Based on what I have read about the crisis it seems to be historically accurate. Regarding this history I recommend the book The Devils are All Here. I mention this movie here because in my view, the history of cold fusion has been one long disaster caused mainly by dysfunctional institutions, especially the physics establishment in the US. The two events are more similar than you might think. Both took a long time to develop. Both are still happening. The problems in the financial markets have not been solved. The closing scenes of the movie show that they have not even been addressed in many ways. The roots of the 2008 crash began in deregulation in the Reagan era, when the separation between banks and investment banks was first eroded and then later abolished. The Glass-Steagall act first establish this separation. It was weakened and then finally repealed in 1999. Many experts feel this was the proximate cause of the disaster. There were many other causes such as greed, stupidity and lax supervision. Complicated, large events in history tend to have many causes I think. What I find most frightening about the 2008 crash in the weightless for trade in this movie was not the actions of evil and stupid people, but rather what the good people did -- and did not do. They were conscientious, smart, skilled bankers and government officials who saw this coming who did nothing to prevent it. Others should've seen it coming but did not. Maybe it was just the movie, but I felt particularly sorry for Ben Bernanke. As he says in the movie, he spent his whole career studying the Great Depression. He knew how it came about. He was desperate to prevent something like this from reoccurring. But you have to ask: Given all of his knowledge and power, why didn't he see it was imminent? I have encountered many good scientists over the years who know something about cold fusion, yet who are unwilling to go out on a limb and recommend funding for it or tell their colleagues that there may be something to it and it is worth investigating. These are good people. They are ethical, hard-working and honest. They have
Re: [Vo]:Malware ...Strikes Iranian Nuclear Facility and plays- AC/DC
There are two funny considerations on the issue: 1. While Iran govt is anti-American it buys licences of the most easy to infect operating system around. 2. Siemens is claimed to design and implement also the control system of Rossi's *-Cats, competitors could take advantage of such a weakness. The *-Cats will be controlled by remote by the owner and potentially by any hackers bot net. mic 2012/7/25 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: This was not the first time, and the other one that I am aware of, the virus or Trojan was created by our own CIA (or some other govt alphabet soup label)… so it wouldn’t surprise me if they did it again, albeit, making it perfectly clear where this one came from! -mark From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Malware ...Strikes Iranian Nuclear Facility and plays- AC/DC I consider this a serious issue. The Internet is already becoming a scary place to be with all of the hackers and it will only get far worse if states begin to develop malicious programs. This type of thing needs to be stopped. Perhaps this evil program was snuck in via thumb drive or something similar, but these guys are walking on thin ice. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Malware ...Strikes Iranian Nuclear Facility and plays- AC/DC Thunderstruck . . . what a great sense of humor! The only way they will rid themselves of this is to replace every PC and possibly every Siemens PAC in the entire system. Skynet in Iran! T
Re: [Vo]:Thinking about Rossi
you seems too negative. I don't care much about Rossi claims, more about his claims coherence, and mostly about his gravitational influence on neigbours. NI, DGT, seems to be influenced by his gravitational attraction. Once you accept that he have something heavy enough to influence others, you can eliminate some hypothesis, and set a range of possibilities, from much exaggeration and red herring, to eccentric honesty and white lies. Anyway lies and big errors are not an option, but sure standard mounted. It seems probable that during the winter, after DGT announce, Rossi hav found some partner to help and pilot him... we should not use assume the same things about his behavior before and after. 2012/7/25 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com With the announcement of ecat-3 by Rossi, I increasingly get the impression that he is sort of a suicide bomber on a global societal level, destroying the plants of hope, the LENR community has. Focusing hope, making ridiculous claims, then: bang, it was just a joke. Probability: 90%. Is Rossi planning a career as a comedian, or is he simply deluded, or is he a stooge of the oil-industry, or does he -ahem- 'really' have something? Just asking (myself). Consider this as a set of probabilities. Rossi's cascade of unsupported claims hints to the first set of options. Deluded: 60%. Suicide or similar techniques of leaving the stage: 20% Really have something: 0.x1% to 10% Comedian, Uri Geller-type: 2% Other: rest. Guenter
Re: [Vo]:The September Surprise
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Without the forceful intervention of Hank Paulsen and Ben Bernanke, Main Street America would have gone through extraordinarily hard times. Amazing that Iceland bailed out homeowners rather than the central bankers and its economy is now booming. How wrong headed could they be? Don't they know that a booming economy isn't as important as keeping the political economic debate between public sector trickledown and private sector trickeldown as the only two options?
[Vo]:books
Got something out with Commander X. Check the book review in IE. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=frank+znidarsic Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about Enron, read http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it was sincere self delusion leading to perceived as rational honest fraud, and not simple scam. I agree it was self-delusion. I think that is more common that people realize. Con-men often con themselves. That is a really good paper. This is Appendix A: Patterns of Denial. Appendix A to what? Here is the main index of papers: http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
2012/7/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about Enron, read http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdfhttp://www.princeton.edu/%7Erbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it was sincere self delusion leading to perceived as rational honest fraud, and not simple scam. I agree it was self-delusion. I think that is more common that people realize. Con-men often con themselves. That is a really good paper. This is Appendix A: Patterns of Denial. Appendix A to what? Here is the main index of papers: http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers.html - Jed it is the appendices of http://www.princeton.edu/%7Erbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20paper.pdf Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Marketshttp://www.princeton.edu/%7Erbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20paper.pdf, he have a collection of papers, based on his model... about belief in a just world (how two different stable state can emerge in EU, and US, despite similar systems), about belief in state or market,... it looks like a paper that says that you can be delusioned all the time, but in fact there are case where the realist side can be detected. delusion came from the impact of a change of beliefe on your estimated wealth. another factor is how the others delusioned can incur you cost. If you have no investment, no cost from others, you can afford to be realist. the behavior of Concezzi, let no doubt. When I was analyzing cold fusion the first time, I took a realist decision (in 92-93). Now I can be self delusionned. especially since I talk much on that subject. i have to watch myself. (NB: funny to see Total Recall movie advertized) When Celani, a skeptic, get into LENR experiment, and get his first success, he was realist. that is the problem with that theory. people are not realist by nature, but because of their own investment and their dependencies on others beliefs. independent, non demanding newcomers, are normally realists.
Re: [Vo]:The September Surprise
It is not possible to know what would have happened if the intervention had not occurred. Any suggestion otherwise is pure speculation. As in what would things be like now had Hitler never been born to start WWII. As far as I know an even worse guy might have come along that was smart enough to destroy the world. In this case one could argue that the things that Paulsen and crew did actually precipitated the long drawn out mess that we are in at the present time. Perhaps the system would have rapidly compensated for the imbalance and the lack of new uncertainty that they initiated. It is best to disregard any hypotheticals as just a form of political nonsense. Dave -Original Message- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:The September Surprise On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Without the forceful intervention of Hank Paulsen and Ben Bernanke, Main Street America would have gone through extraordinarily hard times. Amazing that Iceland bailed out homeowners rather than the central bankers and its economy is now booming. How wrong headed could they be? Don't they know that a booming economy isn't as important as keeping the political economic debate between public sector trickledown and private sector trickeldown as the only two options?
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
There was actual fraud in the case of Enron from what I have seen. These guys manipulated the system to drive up energy costs. I am sure that there were many honest employees that had nothing to do with the deception, but this was not just ignorance at work. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about Enron, read http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it was sincere self delusion leading to perceived as rational honest fraud, and not simple scam. I agree it was self-delusion. I think that is more common that people realize. Con-men often con themselves. That is a really good paper. This is Appendix A: Patterns of Denial. Appendix A to what? Here is the main index of papers: http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
what is said in the article is that Enron bosses where so sure theiy were right, while at teh same time acting like bandits, so that the both have stolen the pension fund, yet kept their shares in their bankrupted company. ins science I've recently seen similar fraud, for the sake of good,because we ar right and opponents are not honest... but we will finally win. and when they are toasted, the moan that they are victims of lobbies. in psychiatry there is a psychosis pathology called (french) Clivage (mean breaking cleanly, like a gem) that allow one person to ignore she is lying to herself, yet at the same time she do everything to avoid being confronted to the reality, including fraud and lies. 2012/7/25 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com There was actual fraud in the case of Enron from what I have seen. These guys manipulated the system to drive up energy costs. I am sure that there were many honest employees that had nothing to do with the deception, but this was not just ignorance at work. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about Enron, read http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdfhttp://www.princeton.edu/%7Erbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it was sincere self delusion leading to perceived as rational honest fraud, and not simple scam. I agree it was self-delusion. I think that is more common that people realize. Con-men often con themselves. That is a really good paper. This is Appendix A: Patterns of Denial. Appendix A to what? Here is the main index of papers: http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers.html - Jed
[Vo]:Reaction Engines Successfully Tests Precooler
The critical component for the engine that does mach 5 in the atmosphere and mach 25 outside. Press release: http://goo.gl/QEODS Main site: http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/ T
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The equivalent to Enron's Smartest Guys movie about the 2008 collapse is Inside Job: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/ However, it is more of a documentary than a drama. Yeah. I liked that one too. It was more factual than Too Big to Fail but Too Big . . . gives you a sense of what it was like on the inside, and how these people felt. It made me feel sympathy for people such as Paulson and Bernanke, and even for some of the bankers. They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster. There were some telling lines in the script which I suppose were taken from real life. It was fascinating seeing people trying to come to grips with something they never imagined possible. One that sticks in my mind was where two young men, who I suppose work for a bank and make huge sums, are going to the Federal Reserve Bank in New York on a Saturday morning to try to stop the growing disaster. One of them stops and says something like, I don't know if I can bring myself to do this . . . The other says: Hey, you are getting out of limo and going into the Fed. You are not getting out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha Beach. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Well said! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a
disaster
They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. They were
obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still
paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have
resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Plenty of jobs for them at
Walmart.
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'hohlr...@gmail.com'); wrote:
The equivalent to Enron's Smartest Guys movie about the 2008
collapse is Inside Job:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/
However, it is more of a documentary than a drama.
Yeah. I liked that one too. It was more factual than Too Big to Fail but
Too Big . . . gives you a sense of what it was like on the inside, and
how these people felt. It made me feel sympathy for people such as Paulson
and Bernanke, and even for some of the bankers. They seem like smart, good
people who accidentally brought about a disaster.
There were some telling lines in the script which I suppose were taken
from real life. It was fascinating seeing people trying to come to grips
with something they never imagined possible. One that sticks in my mind was
where two young men, who I suppose work for a bank and make huge sums, are
going to the Federal Reserve Bank in New York on a Saturday morning to try
to stop the growing disaster. One of them stops and says something like, I
don't know if I can bring myself to do this . . . The other says:
Hey, you are getting out of limo and going into the Fed. You are not
getting out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha Beach. Stop feeling sorry for
yourself.
Well said!
- Jed
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
1. Andrea Rossi July 25th, 2012 at 11:13 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=5#comment-286670 Dear Ecco Liberation: We are studying how to make a direct conversion into electric power, therefore we are probing all the possibilities. We are far from the solution, but this is a very interesting field of RD. Maybe we have found a thread, thanks to precious help we are getting here, in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R. I read this to mean that Rossi is no longer spearheading the development of his product but is depending on the defense industrial complex in the US to make good progress in E-Cat RD. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)?* * * * * *The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma.* * * *From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities.* * * *From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. * * * *Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma.* * * *Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. * * * *The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady state electrostatic discharge. * * * *The Journal of Electronic Defense reported that plasma-cloud-generation technology for stealth applications developed in Russia reduces an aircraft's Radar Cross Section (RCS) by a factor of 100. According to this June 2002 article, the Russian plasma stealth device has been tested aboard a Sukhoi Su-27IB fighter-bomber. The Journal also reported that similar research into applications of plasma for RCS reduction is being carried out by Accurate Automation Corporation (Chattanooga, Tennessee) and Old Dominion University (Norfolk, Virginia) in the U.S.; and by Dassault Aviation (Saint-Cloud, France) and Thales (Paris, France).* * * *Plasma layers around aircraft have been considered for purposes other than stealth. There are many research papers on the use of plasma to reduce aerodynamic drag. In particular, electrohydrodynamic coupling can be used to accelerate air flow near an aerodynamic surface. Research suggests that the use of a plasma panel for boundary layer control on a wing increases low-speed wing performance. If the generated plasma layers are tunable, this layer could shield against HMP/EMP and HERF weaponry or act as optical radiation pressure actuators.* * * *From an overview of their sponsored research, for more than a decade the DOD has acted in their RD policies consistent with the goal of producing the most powerful and efficient CNT field emission technology that money can buy, These defense need far exceeds anything that a commercial application could possibly use or need, IMHO.* * * *When did Rossi switch his process to carbon nanotubes?* * * *All indications are that Rossi changed the design of his core just after he broke his relationship with DGT on or about August 4th 2011* * * *He replaced the pipe based topology with a square box setup which Rossi used when he went into the October pre demo warm-up and the self-sustain dog and pony show with US government agents. About that time we hear that Rossi begins to use the frequency generator; a device that does not rely on thermionic control mechanisms
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
Don't you think he would have signed an NDA with the military and stop the internet blabber? Raytheon does not do this... On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: 1. Andrea Rossi July 25th, 2012 at 11:13 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=5#comment-286670 Dear Ecco Liberation: We are studying how to make a direct conversion into electric power, therefore we are probing all the possibilities. We are far from the solution, but this is a very interesting field of RD. Maybe we have found a thread, thanks to precious help we are getting here, in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R. I read this to mean that Rossi is no longer spearheading the development of his product but is depending on the defense industrial complex in the US to make good progress in E-Cat RD. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)?* * * * * *The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma.* * * *From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities.* * * *From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. * * * *Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma.* * * *Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. * * * *The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady state electrostatic discharge. * * *
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in Goldman before he became an official. I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more. I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did not realize things were out of control. They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were worth $58,000. Others made out like bandits, unfortunately. I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations. Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks without him. We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party. They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In 1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from investigating and reforming their industry. They attacked him the newspapers. To this day, many accounts of the Titanic disaster portray him as a fool and useless person who accomplished nothing. No good deed goes unpunished! See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
At the most fundamental level, what makes capitalism work is trust. When a lender provides capital to a borrower he trusts that the borrower will repay the debt. Now a days, the lender takes out an insurance policy (credit default swap) to guaranty the payment of the debt from a well-capitalized and trustworthy middleman. On the black day when all the borrowers and the insurance providers are all seen to be untrustworthy, capitalism fails and the flow of capital stops; the economy no longer exists. What saved the day in 2008 was the US government. It became the insurer of last resort and guarantied payment of all debt throughout the world, all 100 trillion dollars’ worth. To make a political point, the tea party wanted to destroy the power of the US government to do this function. They wanted the US to default on its debt. The tea party will do so again if they get the chance. The tea party really wants to destroy the foundation of capitalism which is the perpetuation of global financial trust and the ability of the US government to supply trust in world capitalism. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in Goldman before he became an official. I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more. I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did not realize things were out of control. They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were worth $58,000. Others made out like bandits, unfortunately. I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations. Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks without him. We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party. They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In 1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from investigating and reforming their industry. They attacked him the newspapers. To this day, many accounts of the Titanic disaster portray him as a fool and useless person who accomplished nothing. No good deed goes unpunished! See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf - Jed
[Vo]:A plague of plagiarism in European academia
Walter Faxon sent me this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/18962349 QUOTE: The problem is deep-rooted and systemic. Professors in Germany tend to work alone, with their subordinate research groups. Most will not criticise other professors, and they do not discuss problems, full stop. There is no official vetting or oversight. For decades in Germany there has been a creeping toleration of scientific misconduct, a looking away when lines were crossed. Anyone who spoke out was quickly silenced. Honest scholars have felt frustrated at seeing others getting away with cutting corners. Some teachers at the University of Cottbus are furious that a PhD dissertation containing massive text parallels on 40% of its pages has been officially declared to suffer only from 'technical weaknesses'. But people are speaking up, and plagiarism is being discussed in every university, even if many are unsure what to do. . . . This is another sign that academic institutions are in trouble. Bear in mind, however, that we do not know how bad things are. We do not know whether they are worse than they used to be. I do not think there are statistics from the past, or graphs showing trends from the last 50 years. There has always been plagiarism. It has lately become easier to do thanks to the internet. Also, easier to catch. There has always been suppression of new ideas. Is it worse today than it used to be? I do not know. We do not know how many good ideas were successfully suppressed, because they are missing. They have been forgotten. We know only that many at ideas which survived were first suppressed, such as the maser and the MRI. There are some indications that things have gotten worse: First, the pace of progress is slower. Second, people complain about suppression and bureaucratic interference more than they used to. Years ago I read part of a book that described science in the 1920s compared to the 1990s. I wish I could recall the title. Anyway, it compared interviews and biographies of Nobel laureates and other distinguished scientists from two groups. Researchers in the 1990s complained about how difficult it was to get anything done, to get funded, or to publish anything. They complained that their ideas were rejected and they had to fight to get anything through. They portray their jobs as a constant slog to overcome opposition. The people from early in the century did not experience anything like that. For one thing it was a small world without much job competition, where everyone knew everyone. They got funded and they were left alone to do their experiments. I recall one famous memoir quoted in the book. There was a young physicist working with an older professor who was awarded the Nobel. The young scientist said he felt jealous. The older guy laughed and said, don't fret; you'll get one soon enough. And so he did. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Sanford Weill, of all people, has made the news today by advocating breaking up large financial institutions. Ex-Citi chief Weill urges bank break-up Financial Times http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/feaa9cf0-d65f-11e1-ba60-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21ejh0BPr This can could change the conversation regarding what happens in Washington DC. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.commailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in Goldman before he became an official. I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more. I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did not realize things were out of control. They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were worth $58,000. Others made out like bandits, unfortunately. I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations. Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks without him. We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party. They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In 1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from investigating and reforming their industry. They attacked him the newspapers. To this day, many accounts of the Titanic disaster portray him as a fool and useless person who accomplished nothing. No good deed goes unpunished! See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Jed,
I realize they were not all bankers. At least arrest the bankers for
negotiating a worthless instrument(s)...
If they were a captain of a ship in the miliary that sank, they could call
for their own court martial:
Most navies have a standard court-martial which convenes whenever a ship is
lost; this does not presume that the captain should be suspected of
wrongdoing, but merely that the circumstances surrounding the loss of the
ship should be made part of the official record. Many ship captains will
actually insist on a court-martial in such circumstances.
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a
disaster
They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank.
Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government
officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get
the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in
Goldman before he became an official.
I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it
happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been
greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically
because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more.
I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were
in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did
not realize things were out of control.
They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we
are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they
should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted.
Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main
characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman
worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were
worth $58,000.
Others made out like bandits, unfortunately.
I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused
that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the
first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the
wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was
directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his
officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to
reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That
took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations.
Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have
died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks
without him.
We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all
efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party.
They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In
1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from
investigating and reforming their industry. They attacked him the
newspapers. To this day, many accounts of the Titanic disaster portray him
as a fool and useless person who accomplished nothing. No good deed goes
unpunished!
See:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf
- Jed
[Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
http://emdrive.com/ Latest news July 2012 An English translation of the 2010 Chinese paper, together with unpublished test results have been obtained. The last line of the paper confirms that experimental thrust measurements have been made at 1kW input power. The unpublished test results show a large number of thrust measurements at input powers up to 2.5kW. The mean specific thrust obtained is close to that measured in the SPR flight thruster tests. Note that the Chinese thruster, if deployed on the ISS, would easily provide the necessary delta V to compensate for orbital decay, thus eliminating the need for the reboost/refueling missions. The original 2010 paper, the translation and the unpublished test results are given here: NWPU 2010 paper (Chinese) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010paper.pdf NWPU 2010 paper (English translation) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010translation.pdf NWPU 2010 unpublished test results http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010testresults.pdf Conclusion : ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I realize they were not all bankers. At least arrest the bankers for negotiating a worthless instrument(s)... Unfortunately, most of them were not committing any crime. CDOs were not subject to any oversight or regulations in 2008. You cannot make laws retroactive. That is unconstitutional. If they were a captain of a ship in the miliary that sank, they could call for their own court martial: . . . Many of these people were called before Congress and raked over the coals. On the other hand, they were paid $50 million a year and they they got to keep the money. This is infuriating. But what worries me about the future is that the problems have not been corrected. The situation is likely to recur. The institutions are still too big to fail. Risky trading and moral hazard still abound. The people who caused the problems and the Republican Party together have prevented meaningful reforms. I'm sorry to introduce political subjects here but it is a fact that Romney says he wants to do away with the the reforms that have been implemented. It is not like he is hiding his agenda. He says the continuing economic weakness is caused by the reforms. I assume that Romney and the so-called masters of the universe are sincere. From my point of view, they want another chance to destroy the economy. They think they are the experts and it must be someone else's fault, or it was caused by too many regulations, even though CDOs were not regulated. Only a few of the top people, such as Greenspan, expressed remorse for their roles. People who cause terrible problems are seldom aware of what they have done. They are seldom repentant. World War I British generals who were responsible for the disasters at the Somme, Gallipoli and elsewhere never felt they made a mistake. Why would they? They were promoted, made into knights of the realm, and Lord This or That. The highest surviving officer from the Titanic, Lightoller was appalling. He admitted no personal responsibility. He defended the system to the hilt. To the end of his life he attacked Sen. Smith, because Smith reformed the system. (See my essay for details.) Needless to say, this applies to cold fusion in spades. The people who took leading roles in suppressing it were praised by the mass media and by the establishment. They often boast about their historic role in doing this. As far as I can tell, not one of them has ever read the literature. It has never crossed their minds that cold fusion might be real, and they may have made a mistake. (Mike McKubre disagrees with me about that. He thinks several of these people are aware of the facts and running scared. He knows the situation better than I do.) Whether these people know the facts or not, they never say cold fusion might be real so maybe we should look into it. They never say that suppressing research and destroying the careers of scientists is unethical. Park and others think this is how science is supposed to work. They say cold fusion is fraud and lunacy and it must be suppressed to preserve the integrity of science. Naturally, I think they are wrong. My point here is not to reiterate what everyone knows I think, but rather to point out that there is a *tremendous* gap in perception between people on different sides of this dispute. There seems to be no common ground. No grounds for discussion, or compromise. We do not even agree about the basic principles of the scientific method, such as the idea that experiments overrule theory. Look at Huizenga's book for proof of that. We do not agree about the definition of replication or whether it is necessary for an experiment to be easily replicated before you can believe it. Or whether it has to be controlled, or explained in theory before you can believe it. Some of the 2004 DoE reviewers sincerely think that an experiment that is not explained by theory cannot be believed. This is not a minor quarrel about technical details. It is not as if they have some doubts about the calorimetry in this experiment, or the mass spectroscopy in that one. The discussion never gets that far. It is not about technical issues. We define the scientific method one way, and they define it in other ways that are radically different and utterly incompatible with our definition. This is true of many other monumental disputes. There was no common ground between the WWI generals and people such as Winston Churchill who opposed them. There were no grounds for negotiation between Lincoln and the secessionists of 1860. In the Titanic dispute, Sen. Smith wanted to make it a rule that sailors assigned to lookout posts high on a mast would be issued binoculars. Who would argue with that? The testimony revealed that if lookouts on the Titanic had been given binoculars, the accident would have been avoided. What sane person would want to save the cost of few pairs of binoculars at the risk of wrecking a ship worth hundreds of millions of
RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
Nice - if true. The big plus is the connection to Ni-H, which is far from obvious. Even if the emdrive violates one or more physical principles (Laws) such as conservation of momentum, it may still be subject to CoE. But the fact that it works at all, if it does, gives plausible support to the hypothesis of Fran Roarty and others who have been convinced of the many cross-connections of nano-geometry to LENR. These especially involve a dynamical Casimir effect (DCE) as the motive force in Ni-H. Very elegant. Explains the lack of gammas, lack of neutrons, lack of beta radiation, lack of transmutation but the presence of hot protons with no obvious source of acceleration other than the zero point field. Shawyer maintains SR comes into play because the group velocity at either end of his horn are large fractions of the speed of light, creating a tiny differential in radiation pressure which can be multiplied by the Q of the microwave cavity. His microwave source and geometry may amount to a powered segregation of these depletion and concentration zones allowing the device to drive vacuum fluctuations . as opposed to allowing the fluctuations to drive reactions in a Casimir cavity as can happen in Ni-H. Check Fran's site for more info. This also relates to how parts of Mills' theory fit into the picture, without necessarily having to rely on those parts of CQM which we do not like. From: Alan J Fletcher ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN.
Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. I have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or energy). The continual application of a device such as this will result in a significant amount of kinetic energy along with momentum being imparted upon the system. Clearly, a violation of conservation of momentum results. Is there some explanation as to why it is possible to violate this conservation law since it has been proven correct for many years. If the only real proof is mathematical then I suggest that the authors locate the errors in their work. If a working model has been constructed then it should be replicated as soon as possible since it has major implications for physics theory. My suspicion is that this fall into the category of too good to be true. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 4:50 pm Subject: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? http://emdrive.com/ Latest news July 2012 An English translation of the 2010 Chinese paper, together with unpublished test results have been obtained. The last line of the paper confirms that experimental thrust measurements have been made at 1kW input power. The unpublished test results show a large number of thrust measurements at input powers up to 2.5kW. The mean specific thrust obtained is close to that measured in the SPR flight thruster tests. Note that the Chinese thruster, if deployed on the ISS, would easily provide the necessary delta V to compensate for orbital decay, thus eliminating the need for the reboost/refueling missions. The original 2010 paper, the translation and the unpublished test results are given here: NWPU 2010 paper (Chinese) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010paper.pdf NWPU 2010 paper (English translation) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010translation.pdf NWPU 2010 unpublished test results http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010testresults.pdf Conclusion : ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
...smart, good people? smart, maybe. Good, NO way. Henry Paulson was Goldman top brass for a long time, being CEO of GS from 1998 to 2006. Net worth: $700million. A company where five managing directors call their clients muppets in the past year. according to whistleblower Smith. ...Muppet is a British slang term for idiot... Read the story eg on wsj. This is a pack of wolves in sheep's clothings, which they have to, because they have to maintain the ILLUSION OF BEING TRUSTWORTHY. There is a negative selection going on here, as to who reaches the top, see Deutsche Bank Ackermann, Breuer, Jain, who are criminals not in the legalistic sense, but by common sense. Non-bankers are kept in line by forward-corruption. See Clinton, John Mayor, Blair , Schroeder etc. Clinton was by some $10 mio negative after Lewinsky, now he is worth some $70 mio. Why? Not because he is a honest person. Enron was one of the rare cases, where this mindset was uncovered. This is a closed system. You cannot get into the top brass of those structures if You don NOT have this mindset. (Tis is different from mafia 'omerta', which applies to ALL members. ) It was two women who mainly did that. Think about that. In times where the LIBOR is found to be manipulated by six major banks, with the consent of the FED and the Bank of England, I find it difficult to find some crumbs of -ahem- naive honesty among this lot. Self-delusion is just one ingredient in the cocktail. The main being narcissism, as sense of grandeur and utter contempt for the ordinary folk. Guilty until proven innocent. Guenter Von: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:11 Mittwoch, 25.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Jed, I realize they were not all bankers. At least arrest the bankers for negotiating a worthless instrument(s)... If they were a captain of a ship in the miliary that sank, they could call for their own court martial: Most navies have a standard court-martial which convenes whenever a ship is lost; this does not presume that the captain should be suspected of wrongdoing, but merely that the circumstances surrounding the loss of the ship should be made part of the official record. Many ship captains will actually insist on a court-martial in such circumstances. On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in Goldman before he became an official. I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more. I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did not realize things were out of control. They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were worth $58,000. Others made out like bandits, unfortunately. I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations. Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks without him. We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party. They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In 1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from investigating and reforming their industry. They
Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. I have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or energy). The continual application of a device such as this will result in a significant amount of kinetic energy along with momentum being imparted upon the system. Clearly, a violation of conservation of momentum results. As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
That is true Robin. And if momentum can be imparted upon the vacuum then perhaps this is a hint that warp drives might be possible. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT): i, snip] This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or nergy). The continual application of a device such as this will result in a ignificant amount of kinetic energy along with momentum being imparted upon the ystem. Clearly, a violation of conservation of momentum results. As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is mparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing omentum to be conserved. snip] egards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Yeah, therefore it is important to have the legislative and the jurisdictive on the payroll. The fact that it is not corrected, tells You a lot about how rotten the 'system' is. Bill Black calls this whole syndrome within the financials 'control fraud', but it is bigger than that. Think of parasites. Why are they parasites, and what distinguishes them from symbionts? Lots of them reprogram their host. Just as an arbitrary citation: http://m.animalplanet.com/s/4756/166?levelVal=2assetKeyVal=471003masterKey=monsterscatKey=monsters_howsubCatKey=childKey= At the societal level it is mostly about hijacking society's essential memes. I am quite astonished, that You, Jed, are not aware of that. Having worked for about 7 years in behavioral physiology and biological cybernetics in an earlier life this is not news for me. Guenter Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 23:15 Mittwoch, 25.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Unfortunately, most of them were not committing any crime. CDOs were not subject to any oversight or regulations in 2008. You cannot make laws retroactive. That is unconstitutional. Many of these people were called before Congress and raked over the coals. On the other hand, they were paid $50 million a year and they they got to keep the money. This is infuriating. But what worries me about the future is that the problems have not been corrected.
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
*I assume that Romney and the so-called masters of the universe are sincere. From my point of view, they want another chance to destroy the economy. They think they are the experts and it must be someone else's fault, or it was caused by too many regulations, even though CDOs were not regulated.* In the simplest of terms here is how it all works. At its heart, the reason behind the LIBOR scam is an attempt to avoid capital reserve regulations imposed by the government. The reason why regulation is something that financial managers try so hard to avoid at all costs is that it limits the financial leverage they can bring to bear on a deal. If they can use 2% of their money and 98% of your money, they make a great profit on their 2% investment. If they lose in this type of high leverage deal, they only lose their 2% and you lose 98% of your money. Government regulation (Dodd Frank) requires the financial institution maintain a prudent level of capital reserve when they do a deal so the deal looks like this: If they are required to use 50% of their money and 50% of your money, they make a diminished profit percentage on their 50% investment. If they lose in this type of low leveraged deal, they lose their 50% of their money and you lose 50% of your money. In this restricted regulatory environment, the appetite of the deal makers for risk is greatly lowered. High leverage deals have been and still remain the key strategy in making vast riches with little risk to their own money. Use the money of the Muppets to do the deal and if something goes wrong the Muppets are wiped out. Romney likes this way of doing business, he grew up in this business environment and became successful using leverage and he wants to get back to the wild west of freewheeling risk taking with other people’s money. Only put a token amount of private equity capital at risk and keep all the profit and transfer the entire risk to the Muppets” for the smallest portion of the reward that is possible. This is why Romney wants to remove the Dodd Frank financial regulation legislation. Cheers:Axil On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I realize they were not all bankers. At least arrest the bankers for negotiating a worthless instrument(s)... Unfortunately, most of them were not committing any crime. CDOs were not subject to any oversight or regulations in 2008. You cannot make laws retroactive. That is unconstitutional. If they were a captain of a ship in the miliary that sank, they could call for their own court martial: . . . Many of these people were called before Congress and raked over the coals. On the other hand, they were paid $50 million a year and they they got to keep the money. This is infuriating. But what worries me about the future is that the problems have not been corrected. The situation is likely to recur. The institutions are still too big to fail. Risky trading and moral hazard still abound. The people who caused the problems and the Republican Party together have prevented meaningful reforms. I'm sorry to introduce political subjects here but it is a fact that Romney says he wants to do away with the the reforms that have been implemented. It is not like he is hiding his agenda. He says the continuing economic weakness is caused by the reforms. I assume that Romney and the so-called masters of the universe are sincere. From my point of view, they want another chance to destroy the economy. They think they are the experts and it must be someone else's fault, or it was caused by too many regulations, even though CDOs were not regulated. Only a few of the top people, such as Greenspan, expressed remorse for their roles. People who cause terrible problems are seldom aware of what they have done. They are seldom repentant. World War I British generals who were responsible for the disasters at the Somme, Gallipoli and elsewhere never felt they made a mistake. Why would they? They were promoted, made into knights of the realm, and Lord This or That. The highest surviving officer from the Titanic, Lightoller was appalling. He admitted no personal responsibility. He defended the system to the hilt. To the end of his life he attacked Sen. Smith, because Smith reformed the system. (See my essay for details.) Needless to say, this applies to cold fusion in spades. The people who took leading roles in suppressing it were praised by the mass media and by the establishment. They often boast about their historic role in doing this. As far as I can tell, not one of them has ever read the literature. It has never crossed their minds that cold fusion might be real, and they may have made a mistake. (Mike McKubre disagrees with me about that. He thinks several of these people are aware of the facts and running scared. He knows the situation better than I do.) Whether these people know
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
Thanks Jones, I was thinking about jumping in but you put it much more succinctly than I could have managed! Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? Nice - if true. The big plus is the connection to Ni-H, which is far from obvious. Even if the emdrive violates one or more physical principles (Laws) such as conservation of momentum, it may still be subject to CoE. But the fact that it works at all, if it does, gives plausible support to the hypothesis of Fran Roarty and others who have been convinced of the many cross-connections of nano-geometry to LENR. These especially involve a dynamical Casimir effect (DCE) as the motive force in Ni-H. Very elegant. Explains the lack of gammas, lack of neutrons, lack of beta radiation, lack of transmutation but the presence of hot protons with no obvious source of acceleration other than the zero point field. Shawyer maintains SR comes into play because the group velocity at either end of his horn are large fractions of the speed of light, creating a tiny differential in radiation pressure which can be multiplied by the Q of the microwave cavity. His microwave source and geometry may amount to a powered segregation of these depletion and concentration zones allowing the device to drive vacuum fluctuations ... as opposed to allowing the fluctuations to drive reactions in a Casimir cavity as can happen in Ni-H. Check Fran's site for more info. This also relates to how parts of Mills' theory fit into the picture, without necessarily having to rely on those parts of CQM which we do not like. From: Alan J Fletcher ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
I think the claims of time dilation and anomalous decay rates also support this claim of thrust because we are upsetting the normal perpendicular relationship between 3D space and time and it is by this method we are indirectly accumulating thrust in a biased manner - a specific vector instead of a balanced cancellation - I don't see this as something for nothing but rather taking a normally balanced spatial displacement and using SR via suppression to convert some of the spatial displacement into temporal. 1. From long ago: I have been investigating a claim by Jan Naudts that the controversial hydrino and excess heat associated with atomic hydrogen and casimir cavities can be explained by relativity. Now Shawyer seems to be reversing the process using microwaves to bend spacetime to amplify radiation pressure. I have to admit there are a growing number of clues to make me consider this plausible. cavity QED in 1996 proposed broken isotropy in a Casimir cavity resulting in an abrupt equivalence boundary formed by the cavity walls. the shielded cavity decelerates relative to outside the walls possibly explaining catalytic action from a relativistic perspective. the cavity is spatially stationary but drags behind the gravitational field falling outside of it. microwave cavities like Puthoff used to explain suppression of spontaneous emission are powered by microwaves and appear to accelerate orbitals diffused inside - The relativistic interpretation of suppression is that the atoms are time dilated and from their perspective the spontaneous emission occurs at the normal rate. Likewise Shawyers cavity is bending space time relative to outside the cavity and even if the chamber is evacuated bent space time has a different gravitational rate proportional to time dilation. My theory is that these forces always balance in an effort to restore isotropy for instance the depletion zone in a Casimir cavity would be balanced by a concentration zone of vacuum fluctuations in the nuclei of the cavity walls due to plate like geometry. Shawyer does not need this trick to sum a depletion zone because he isn't looking for heat -he uses a microwave source and wave guide geometry to forcibly break the isotropy -I am sure the balance between isolation and concentration zones is still maintained but his device is marginally isolating one type over the other and may be using geometry to repeatedly sweep this slight differential in space time over the same spatial axis. see http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-alternate-theory-hydrino-based-relativity-26779.html From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? That is true Robin. And if momentum can be imparted upon the vacuum then perhaps this is a hint that warp drives might be possible. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.commailto:mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. I have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or energy). The continual application of a device such as this will result in a significant amount of kinetic energy along with momentum being imparted upon the system. Clearly, a violation of conservation of momentum results. As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
Corrected link http://scienceblog.com/19440/alternate-theory-for-hydrino-based-on-casimir-cavities/ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? Nice - if true. The big plus is the connection to Ni-H, which is far from obvious. Even if the emdrive violates one or more physical principles (Laws) such as conservation of momentum, it may still be subject to CoE. But the fact that it works at all, if it does, gives plausible support to the hypothesis of Fran Roarty and others who have been convinced of the many cross-connections of nano-geometry to LENR. These especially involve a dynamical Casimir effect (DCE) as the motive force in Ni-H. Very elegant. Explains the lack of gammas, lack of neutrons, lack of beta radiation, lack of transmutation but the presence of hot protons with no obvious source of acceleration other than the zero point field. Shawyer maintains SR comes into play because the group velocity at either end of his horn are large fractions of the speed of light, creating a tiny differential in radiation pressure which can be multiplied by the Q of the microwave cavity. His microwave source and geometry may amount to a powered segregation of these depletion and concentration zones allowing the device to drive vacuum fluctuations ... as opposed to allowing the fluctuations to drive reactions in a Casimir cavity as can happen in Ni-H. Check Fran's site for more info. This also relates to how parts of Mills' theory fit into the picture, without necessarily having to rely on those parts of CQM which we do not like. From: Alan J Fletcher ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN.
Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: that is the problem with that theory. people are not realist by nature, but because of their own investment and their dependencies on others beliefs. I am reminded of Upton Sinclair's remark that it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
“Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this.” I think that’s what the zero-point field and Casimir effect is all about… just because this generation chooses to call it by a different name doesn’t mean it’s different. -Mark Iverson From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.027202 The Casimir force arises because of quantum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field in the space between two conducting plates. The Drude model predicts that low-frequency fluctuations play no role in the Casimir force and are due to an electrostatic force coming from electrical potential differences on the membrane surface. If the either can be framed in terms of and all pervasive electromagnetic field throughout space, is that what these other names are describing? Cheers:Axil On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:47 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this.” ** ** I think that’s what the zero-point field and Casimir effect is all about… just because this generation chooses to call it by a different name doesn’t mean it’s different. -Mark Iverson ** ** *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? ** ** On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ** ** As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. ** ** Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this. ** ** Eric ** **
[Vo]:FYI: Researchers control chemical reactions in individual atoms...
Researchers devise a means to control chemical reactions in individual atoms http://phys.org/news/2012-07-chemical-reactions-individual-atoms.html They're getting closer to doing the experiment I suggested over a year ago. In their experiments, the team used a magnetic field to isolate two different types of atoms, a ytterbium ion and a neutral rubidium, in a very cold environment to slow things down. But prior to pushing them together with a laser, they first excited the ytterbium ion by shooting it with laser light to inject it, so to speak with kinetic energy. That energy they noted, could result in movement due to heat ejection or in the production of photons. Next, they ran two different types of experiments. In the first, they turned off the lights and watched as the two atoms eventually came near one another, to see if the interaction between the two would result in the release of photons, i.e. light. *It did not, instead, it resulted in both atoms moving around in the trap at higher speeds.* In the second experiment they used a laser to push the energized ion towards the neutral atom and found that in some, but not all cases, an electron was exchanged, causing the ytterbium atom to become neutral and the rubidium to become ionized; a clear example of a controlled chemical reaction between just two atoms. The researchers noted that *the spin state of the atoms made a difference in the outcome of the reaction, meaning that the atomic nucleus of the atom had an impact, which goes counter to conventional thinking.* *The spin state of the nucleus, and even the individual electrons, should therefore offer a bias in the chemical behavior by producing an attractive or repulsive force which stacks constructively or destructively with the electric charge. This would suggest that you might be able to produce interesting properties in some chemical reactions by applying a magnetic field during the process.* Makes sense in my model. Preprint here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.4507.pdf And from their preprint: We control the distribution of the kinetic energy release in the charge exchange reaction by employing the hyperfine state of the neutral atoms; New science is in the anomalies. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
BIG QUOTE ! exactly what I have observed in finance, research, and IT. what Roland Benabou said is even harder since the quote might be : it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his perceived wealth depends upon his not understanding it. 2012/7/26 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: that is the problem with that theory. people are not realist by nature, but because of their own investment and their dependencies on others beliefs. I am reminded of Upton Sinclair's remark that it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. Eric
[Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
FYI: Terahertz radiation can induce insulator-to-metal change of state in some materials http://phys.org/news/2012-07-terahertz-insulator-to-metal-state-materials.ht ml the researchers used an antenna-like structure called a split ring resonator to concentrate the electric field of a THz pulse in a small area, increasing the electric field from hundreds of kilovolts per centimeter to about 4 megavolts per centimeter. Is there anything about H-loaded metals with shallow fractures, or Ni tubercles, which might act like a split-ring resonator? .because THz frequencies match the resonant frequencies at which neighboring atoms and molecules in crystal lattices vibrate against each other, *THz pulses can drive the lattice vibrations directly*-possibly to large amplitudes. THz light can drive electrons and whole atoms and molecules far from their equilibrium locations in a crystal lattice, which can lead to phase transitions in electronic state and/or crystal structure. -Mark Iverson
