Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

[Alain Sepeda]

now you have to find (out of LENR fiasco) where is the
"The earth as the center of the Universe"
and the
"Roman Catholic Church"

just for joking! (I will deny any good answer even under torture by the new
Inquisition).


2014-04-03 8:56 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker :

> From chapter 1:
>
> " The earth as the center of the Universe was a concept fundamental to
> the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. If one could not trust the Church
> in that, how much more could one not question? What might people start to
> believe, or disbelieve? "
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>  Andrea Rossi
>>  April 2nd, 2014 at 6:15 
>> AM
>>
>> TO THE READERS OF THE JoNP:
>> Today has been presented the book of the scientific journalist Mats Lewan
>> " An Impossible Invention": it is professional, honest and sincere as his
>> Author. For those interested, the contact is
>>
>> animpossibleinvention.com
>>
>> Andrea Rossi
>>
>>
>> Paperback about $27, ebook $19  Chapter 1 online
>>
>>  (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
>> defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
>>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

[Ian Glen Walker]

Hi all

 

On the matter of Rossi's business strategy. I suggest people read Sun Tzu
and Machiavelli. 

 

Like any good business strategy it involves multiple layers each is expected
to be defeated but the overall strategy is designed to win.

 

The first strategy is secrecy and deception. 

Until the plan for exploitation is in play. This is a basis of any great
strategy. So Rossi gives out the occasional red herring and does not allow
people to inspect the process too closely. Trade Secrets are a big plank in
this strategy.

 

So when a certain blogger attempted to discover the Rossi process by taking
equipment in to Rossi's lab that would have compromised the security of
Rossi's operation he threw them out much to that persons chagrin, as he
thought he was part of the in-crowd. Rossi also threw out a partner who had
connections to the blogger. The blogger then started writing anti Rossi
postings in order to delay Rossi's move to exploitation.

 

The patent(s) also forms part of this, as others said Rossi's patent has
failed but the failure is one designed to ensure the patent succeeds! AT THE
MOMENT OF MARKET PENTRATION! In order for Rossi's patent to succeed all
Rossi has to do is show the working plant being used. If that is done within
the 6 month period the patent automatically succeeds. Rossi's patent lawyers
know this. And the patent office stated it.

 

Then Rossi built up his alliances.

For a strategy to win in an environment of multiple stronger foes one must
form alliances, either with one of the foes, or with those external to the
sphere you wish to enter who will provide the backing needed to launch the
strategy so that they too may enter this particular market. 

This Rossi has achieved through a mixture of licensing and finally sale of
the core technology to a chief partner who he trusts. The trust is probably
backed up with fail safes and lawyers. ;) In the meantime Rossi's tech team
have been banking trade secrets to turn in to lots of small future patents,
each of these is another plank in the legal battles to come, it is something
they will continue to do for decades.

 

The moment of market penetration.

The next phase of Rossi's strategy is a controlled thrust into the market.
This is to enable initial market penetration while ensuring a degree of
veiling of the full plan and while maintain a degree of trade secrets for as
long as possible, this is a reactive strategy that Rossi knows will
inevitably fail and he accepts that. Ideally such a strategy is achieved in
ways that do not hint at the true strategy and feed the foe's assessment of
your intentions, look the D Day deception plan. 

 

Market exploitation

By this phase Rossi's patent already applies and the legal battles begin,
this requires big pockets, this is what the secret backers of Cherokee
provide. The whole idea here is to slow down the opposition while Rossi's
team stay ahead in terms of technological upgrades each with their own
patent. At this point other manufactures will enter the market but Rossi has
already established licensees in multiple territories, they will agree
exploitation paths with multiple governments that will enact laws that will
also help Rossi; they will do this to get early access because those
countries that don't will be behind the curve. Rossi recognises nations will
want their own version for security and that they will legally take it if
they are not given it. So Rossi will trade that early access for that
protection.

 

Those in power will then distribute the local licenses to those who will pay
for their post executive retirement plan of, 1000 seat 1,000 dollar a ticket
200 date international book tour dinners, that the company sends their staff
to and claims back from tax as training expense. With additional places on
the boards of a charities, international bodies or think tanks that each pay
100,000 plus a year. To be followed by board positions on subsidiaries and
partner/client companies. I think that is how this political stuff works.

 

Brand power.

Rossi will by this time have achieved a brand power that the recent Mats
Lewan book hints at. That brand power is what will mean people will buy a
Rossi rather than the other manufacturers products. Much as people buy
Microsoft, Apple, Google or any other brand. Only The Rossi Effect, you may
have noticed that Rossi has already instituted the branding, Will be bigger
than all the above.

 

The race to cheap.

Finally Rossi has already secured the lowest cost manufacturing base; China.
This will be protected from cheap Chinese knockoffs because those in
political power in China will protect it as China will have a great benefit
from it, as will those in power see above. It will also be protected by a
continual ability to lower the price point below what its competitors can
reach.

 

This multi stage strategy is what Rossi is trying to enact, there is every
indication that he will succeed.

 

Kind Regards walker

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

[Daniel Rocha]

Was it really a dogma of the Catholic church that the Earth did not orbit
the Sun? I mean, is there anything in the bible says or implies that?


2014-04-03 4:23 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda :

> now you have to find (out of LENR fiasco) where is the
> "The earth as the center of the Universe"
> and the
> "Roman Catholic Church"
>
> just for joking! (I will deny any good answer even under torture by the
> new Inquisition).
>
>
> 2014-04-03 8:56 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker :
>
> From chapter 1:
>>
>> " The earth as the center of the Universe was a concept fundamental to
>> the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. If one could not trust the Church
>> in that, how much more could one not question? What might people start to
>> believe, or disbelieve? "
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:
>>
>>>  Andrea Rossi
>>>  April 2nd, 2014 at 6:15 
>>> AM
>>>
>>> TO THE READERS OF THE JoNP:
>>> Today has been presented the book of the scientific journalist Mats
>>> Lewan " An Impossible Invention": it is professional, honest and sincere as
>>> his Author. For those interested, the contact is
>>>
>>> animpossibleinvention.com
>>>
>>> Andrea Rossi
>>>
>>>
>>> Paperback about $27, ebook $19  Chapter 1 online
>>>
>>>  (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
>>> defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

[Alain Sepeda]

from what I've heard the real problem was that Galileo was abusing of the
heliocentric argument to push the philosophical argument that God had no
specific love for the human...
this was challenging Christian foundation, and as religion was the skeleton
of the social peace it could not be tolerated.

many scientific persecutions are in fact political problems, ideology
battle.




2014-04-03 16:39 GMT+02:00 Daniel Rocha :

> Was it really a dogma of the Catholic church that the Earth did not orbit
> the Sun? I mean, is there anything in the bible says or implies that?
>
>
> 2014-04-03 4:23 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda :
>
> now you have to find (out of LENR fiasco) where is the
>> "The earth as the center of the Universe"
>> and the
>> "Roman Catholic Church"
>>
>> just for joking! (I will deny any good answer even under torture by the
>> new Inquisition).
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-03 8:56 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker :
>>
>> From chapter 1:
>>>
>>> " The earth as the center of the Universe was a concept fundamental to
>>> the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. If one could not trust the Church
>>> in that, how much more could one not question? What might people start to
>>> believe, or disbelieve? "
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:
>>>
  Andrea Rossi
  April 2nd, 2014 at 6:15 
 AM

 TO THE READERS OF THE JoNP:
 Today has been presented the book of the scientific journalist Mats
 Lewan " An Impossible Invention": it is professional, honest and sincere as
 his Author. For those interested, the contact is

 animpossibleinvention.com

 Andrea Rossi


 Paperback about $27, ebook $19  Chapter 1 online

  (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
 defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

[H Veeder]

Here is a contemporary Catholic assessment of Galileo's treatment.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

Yes there are passages in the bible which could be interpreted as
supporting geocentrism.
The concluding remarks are interesting too:

<>

Of course the scientific arguments at the time still do not justify
Galileo's punishment by the Catholic Church.

Harry


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> Was it really a dogma of the Catholic church that the Earth did not orbit
> the Sun? I mean, is there anything in the bible says or implies that?
>
>
> 2014-04-03 4:23 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda :
>
>> now you have to find (out of LENR fiasco) where is the
>> "The earth as the center of the Universe"
>> and the
>> "Roman Catholic Church"
>>
>> just for joking! (I will deny any good answer even under torture by the
>> new Inquisition).
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-03 8:56 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker :
>>
>> From chapter 1:
>>>
>>> " The earth as the center of the Universe was a concept fundamental to
>>> the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. If one could not trust the Church
>>> in that, how much more could one not question? What might people start to
>>> believe, or disbelieve? "
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:
>>>
  Andrea Rossi
  April 2nd, 2014 at 6:15 
 AM

 TO THE READERS OF THE JoNP:
 Today has been presented the book of the scientific journalist Mats
 Lewan " An Impossible Invention": it is professional, honest and sincere as
 his Author. For those interested, the contact is

 animpossibleinvention.com

 Andrea Rossi


 Paperback about $27, ebook $19  Chapter 1 online

  (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
 defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

[Frank Acland]

I bought the ebook today for around $15 with the current exchange rate.
It's a good read, and gives a lot of interesting details about the origins
and development of the E-Cat. For me it was well worth the cost.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

>  Andrea Rossi
>  April 2nd, 2014 at 6:15 
> AM
>
> TO THE READERS OF THE JoNP:
> Today has been presented the book of the scientific journalist Mats Lewan
> " An Impossible Invention": it is professional, honest and sincere as his
> Author. For those interested, the contact is
>
> animpossibleinvention.com
>
> Andrea Rossi
>
>
> Paperback about $27, ebook $19  Chapter 1 online
>
>  (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
> defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
>



-- 
Frank Acland
Publisher, E-Cat World 

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

[Bob Higgins]

Having a long history with corporate business protection with IP, a couple
of points strike me that I think are getting missed:

- Big business is only protected with a PORTFOLIO of patents - not just a
single patent.

- The bigger the business, the more manpower that can be applied to working
around patents; so the bigger the business (in $), the larger the PORTFOLIO
of patents must be.

- A large PORTFOLIO becomes a high scary wall for any serious company to
attempt to overcome.

If Industrial Heat wants to protect their interests, they need to file ~50
applications this year to begin a portfolio to protect their investment.
(And basically lock down until that is done.)

I believe that Rossi's material is un-protect-able at this point due to the
lack of validity of his current application (making it now part of prior
art), and due to all of the published prior art on LENR materials in the
intervening years.  Any new (improved) patent written on the material would
have a priority date of the new application date - with everything up until
then being prior art.  Another problem with any new material patent would
be that Rossi has already sold units more than 1 year ago (I think) and you
only have 1 year in the US to file an application after the first offer for
sale.

Once the secret comes out, there will be more understanding of how LENR
works, and many work-arounds will emerge to have LENR without violating any
material patent that could be written *with today's understanding of LENR*.
 The real opportunity is writing patents on the multitude of apparatus that
will use LENR, that will provide a means of throttling the reaction, that
will make it more durable, or will make it safer.

It is really, really hard to build a company on a trade secret.

- Bob Higgins

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret
>> ingredients.
>>
>
> So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market.
> If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a
> chemical analysis of it, and then reverse engineer it. Cold fusion has
> gigantic market potential, so it will be reverse engineered no matter how
> difficult that may be. A trade secret would not work for it.
>
> - Jed
>

[Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stable Fo

[Mark Jurich]

Here we go, again:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140403006389/en/BlackLight-Power-Announces-Sustained-Production-Electricity-Photovoltaic

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[Jed Rothwell]

Mark Jurich  wrote:


> Here we go, again:
>

Well said! It is kind of hilarious.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[Kevin O'Malley]

Blacklight lost the limelight to Rossi.  Now it remains to be seen if Rossi
deserved the limelight.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Mark Jurich  wrote:
>
>
>> Here we go, again:
>>
>
> Well said! It is kind of hilarious.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Fwd: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

[Kevin O'Malley]

As noted in a previous article, Jed Rothwell entered into an essay contest
for the Foundational Questions Institute (FQXi). I submitted my own Cold
Fusion related essay, and didn't hear anything back from FQXi. Then Peter
Gluck had his essay published, so I asked FQXi why mine was not published
or declined.

They say it is because of an objection being raised to the "commercial"
content in it--specifically the promotion of techshop.

Perhaps there is some other educational institution I could propose as a
baseline minimum that would give people access to machine shop tools
relatively quickly?


thanks

Kevin O


--


Jed Rothwell's Essay:
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2000


Peter Gluck's Essay
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2015


-

"How Should Humanity Steer the Future?
With The LENR Techshop Y Prize Incentive Proposal


My proposal is to set up a prize similar to the X Prize to reward and
encourage Techshop (http://techshop.ws/) teams who replicate the recent
Cold Fusion experiment at the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project wherein
Gamma Rays were detected after an excess heat event. Let's call it the Y
Prize. The Gamma Ray finding was replicated by Hans Biberian within 48
hours. Measuring Gamma Rays would be the smoking gun to prove that it is a
nuclear process taking place within these cold fusion experiments.
MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays [Updated: Biberian Replicates]
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/

-

What is the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (MFMP)?
In essence, they are a grassroots, open-source scientific group trying to
replicate Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). It is named after Martin
Fleischmann because he was one of the 2 original electrochemists who found
this anomalous heat effect in 1989, and he passed away recently. His
partner, Dr. Pons, is still alive and could therefore still win a Nobel
Prize.

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/
If one simply follows their latest recipe, a LENR device can be built and
tested by anyone who has the means. They are currently using a wire that
Dr. Celani, a prominent LENR researcher, gave to them in furtherance of
their effort. They also plan to test a NANOR device which Dr. Hagelstein at
Massachussetts Institute of Technology helped to develop.

-

Why Techshop? http://techshop.ws/
They are the right people to encourage for a grass roots energy effort; and
the interest in a Y Prize would help that worthy organization grow; if they
can do it, almost anyone can do it and the generated excitement would turn
the world upside down. Bootstrapping Techshop would help many other people
who would like to do some kind of experiment on physics or simply to be
creative.

>From their website, http://techshop.ws/
TechShop is a vibrant, creative community that provides access to tools,
software and space. You can make virtually anything at TechShop. Come and
build your dreams!
TechShop is a playground for creativity. Part fabrication and prototyping
studio, part hackerspace and part learning center, TechShop provides access
to over $1 million worth of professional equipment and software. We offer
comprehensive instruction and expert staff to ensure you have a safe,
meaningful and rewarding experience. Most importantly, at TechShop you can
explore the world of making in a collaborative and creative environment.

It is not known whether Techshop really has the equipment and resources to
support this kind of an effort. However, the excitement generated towards
such a replication effort would encourage Techshops around the country to
acquire such equipment, working with National Instruments and others. For
instance, Burt Rutan did not have the equipment to build devices that could
go into space. But the Ansari X Prize spurred on his creative juices,
bootstrapping his effort and focusing his vision. I been a fan of his since
high school, when he independently came out with the VariEZ canard
airplane.

If an Italian High School Teacher (Hugo Abundo) could build a LENR device,
then TechShop could. And I think National Instruments (NI) would help. NI
has supported cold fusion research for years, offering LabView software
free to all researchers in the field. Perhaps they are eager to sell their
measurement devices into this market space the way Levi wanted to sell
Jeans to miners in California in 1849 and Apple wanted to get kids hooked
on computers at school. But it does not matter - they are eager to help.

[Vo]:Presentation on LENR at University of Northern Iowa

[H Veeder]

The University of Northern Iowa presents

LENR The Promise of clean and affordable Energy

March 10, 2014

Thomas A. Wind is an electrical engineer who has worked on many wind
generation projects but over the last two years has become really
interested in LENR.

Intro LENR Wind 3:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLGeiG9lWg
Part 1 Origins of LENR ... Twenty-Year History of Lattice-Enabled 22:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBMtBar9JE
Part 2 Rossi's LENR Technology 15:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naRYEFoPCAo
Part 3 Descriptions and Affirmations of LENR 7:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqh7MG-zhM
Part 4 Other LENR Examples and Comparison to Hot Fusion 18:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONegbxuL_g
Part 5 Challenges and Future Uses of LENR 10:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNe0W8YjoQk

Harry

RE: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Jones Beene]

LOL. This stuff should have come out on April 1. 

 

A small photovoltaic panel converting millions of watts of light from a seam
welder ? That's hilarious. Whether Rossi has the stolen the limelight or
not, this is about the most absurd BS on the planet. It looks like an act of
total desperation. or else April 1 humor.

 

Even by the standards of New Jersey corruption, if Mills is serious - this
conduct is so egregious and the claims are so preposterous - in light of the
investment money he has raised, that RM is risking the same kind of FBI raid
and closure that happened to one of the Papp Engine promoters. What level of
assurance of gain did Rohner make that Mills has not made? There seems to be
a pretty good correlation in the conduct of the two. 

 

All it takes is one disgruntled investor.

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/pv_princeton-video/

 

 

From: Kevin O'Malley 

 

Blacklight lost the limelight to Rossi.  Now it remains to be seen if Rossi
deserved the limelight.

 

Mark Jurich wrote:

 

Here we go, again:

 

Jed Rothwell wrote:

 

Well said! It is kind of hilarious.

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Presentation on LENR at University of Northern Iowa

[H Veeder]

BTW Frank Acland of e-catworld.com makes a brief appearance at the end of
the final video.

Harry


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:18 PM, H Veeder  wrote:

> The University of Northern Iowa presents
>
> LENR The Promise of clean and affordable Energy
>
> March 10, 2014
>
> Thomas A. Wind is an electrical engineer who has worked on many wind
> generation projects but over the last two years has become really
> interested in LENR.
>
> Intro LENR Wind 3:34
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLGeiG9lWg
> Part 1 Origins of LENR ... Twenty-Year History of Lattice-Enabled 22:54
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBMtBar9JE
> Part 2 Rossi's LENR Technology 15:37
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naRYEFoPCAo
> Part 3 Descriptions and Affirmations of LENR 7:51
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqh7MG-zhM
> Part 4 Other LENR Examples and Comparison to Hot Fusion 18:34
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONegbxuL_g
> Part 5 Challenges and Future Uses of LENR 10:55
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNe0W8YjoQk
>
> Harry
>

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Axil Axil]

BlackLight Power is about to be swept into the dustbin of history. In a
year or less, a workable LENR product will be demonstrated as a
preproduction prototype. This should cut the legs out from under  their
investor base who have been so cruelly abused  over these many years and
that has propped up the BLP fantasy for far too long.

The clock is ticking, their time is short, their fate is set, and their end
is near. As an anathema to the quantum world, the fantasy that is the
hydrino will be a fiction of the past and forgotten as the wondrous quantum
causes of LENR are patently explained by serious and innovative scientific
methods and top-notch research.