Re: [Vo]:what would our much regretted friends say about CF today?
My essay is basically about problem solving.It is too pragmatical to call the attention of the judges but it fullfills many of the requirements of the contest and parts of its were already cited on the Web. Peter On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I think Jed's essay is better written. Mine was basically one paragraph, very simple, very practical, with followup q a. So if I've done any increasing of chances in the last few days, it was increasing chances for Jed to win it. If you await for facts and certainties, making predictions becomes easy, doesn't it? On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Kevin, I am speaking about some of my very best CF friends whom I met in real life too, not only on the Net and who had died young. How would they judge the situation today? I am making my own predictions, however I am waiting for facts and certainties I think your chances to win a prize with your Essay at FQXI have increased during the last days Peter On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Peter: I do not understand what you are asking. What is a much regretted friend? If it's predictions you're after, look at these 2 threads: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg93935.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93531.html How does hope... only come from outside classic CF. Please elaborate with an emphasis on clarity. On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: This is an appeal to my readers- can you help me in analyzing and predicting what will happen to/in/with our Field. Just now, hope comes only from outside classic CF. This time I hope to have many answers from you, I dare to think that you still CARE. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: It's my understanding that people in high demand in the media get paid for their appearances. And they go on lecture tours, where the lecture fees paid to them can run into 6 figures per lecture. That's how famous you could become. That sounds like fun! But I have nothing good to say about anyone in the establishment, so I doubt they will want to hear from me. You can go on Fox News and attack the New York Times, or vice versa, but if you blame both of them, neither will host you. History shows that people say they want the unvarnished truth, and they say they like to see the establishment brought down and fools suffer their comeuppance, but that is not true. Sen. William Smith uncovered the facts about the Titanic disaster and reformed passenger safety. His was attacked by the industry and press, and to be ridiculed and marginalized in nearly every book on the subject. Young British officers showed that the commanders of World War I squandered millions of lives with frontal attacks. They were vilified and forgotten, while the generals who ordered the attacks were promoted to the aristocracy. Gen. Billy Mitchell showed that airplanes can sink ships. He was court martialed for insubordination. An NRC field engineer repeatedly warned that Three Mile Island was vulnerable and that a stuck valve might trigger a catastrophe, because that nearly happened on two occasions. His superiors in the agency finally ordered him to shut up and stop filing reports. The valve stuck a third time, the reactor core melted . . . and he was fired while his superiors were promoted and given cash awards. No one was ever held to account for the fact that Iraq had no WMDs. Colin Powell wrote that he blames himself but I don't think he or anyone else lost status or was demoted, in a book titled It Worked For Me, about leadership advice. I gather the title and theme are not intended to be an ironic joke. 'A failure will always be attached to me and my U.N. presentation,' Powell writes in *It Worked For Me*, a book that provides leadership advice. 'I am mad mostly at myself for not having smelled the problem. My instincts failed me.' The people who caused the 2008 market crash were rewarded with billions of dollars in profits and the biggest taxpayer bailout in history. (Fortunately, they paid most of the money back.) The banks are bigger than ever. Some of the people who warned against it were ignored and then blamed. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis
In the RF world emissions can be generated by antennas that are far shorter than the wavelength of the radiation. The efficiency of the radiator becomes lower as the size decreases but it emits non the less. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jun 1, 2014 1:46 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis From:Bob Cook As robinpoints out the size of the wave length of the EM radiation does not depend uponthe size of the emitting entity. Hi Bob, Did Robin say that? – if so,his point comes under the category of opinion AFAIK - since the emission of EM radiationalways depends to an extent on the geometry of the emitter. The semantic problem is indefining “geometry” in a relative sense. The nucleus in motion can emit longerwavelength than gamma, but only so long as the motion is resonant, as in Larmorprecession, for instance. The halo nucleus would fit somewhere in between. Can you cite instances orevidence in physics of a stationary nucleus emitting EM radiation which is longwavelength – say random RF or light emission which is not related to precession? If the size of theemitting entity did not matter, we should see visible light, UV and even RF comingfrom nuclei in almost any random frequency - as opposed to coming from excited electrons– or in the case of NMR (or Mossbauer) from the Larmor frequency, which isbased on nuclear precession in a magnetic field, which is a resonant motionalwavelength - thousands of longer than the size of the nucleus. In fact, my belief (pendinga citation from you or Robin to contradict it) - is that this blanket statementabove about lack of a geometrical parameter is completely incorrect - and infact no nucleus can emit longer wavelength EM radiation than either its dimensionspermit, or its resonant path in space permits (precession or equivalent motion).This emission would be due partly to geometry and partly due to excess internalenergy which is released in quanta and not randomly. There was a controversythat arose about 15 years ago where UV and optical radiation was said(incorrectly) to derive directly from low energy transitions in radioactive nuclei.Of course, the problem is that it is difficult for experts to determine wherethe radiation comes from unless you have bare nuclei in a vacuum. Spontaneousultraviolet luminescence from U and Th was reported by Irwin in 1997, Richardsonin 1998 and Shaw in 1999– but in the end, all of these reports were debunked,since the ultraviolet emission could be attributed to nitrogen in the airsurrounding the sample, or to mundane sources like k-shell emission lines whichhad previously been undocumented. http://web.ornl.gov/~webworks/cpr/pres/109281_.pdf Of course, inner shellelectrons can emit UV but not nuclei, AFAIK - unless the nucleus is locked intoa larger orbital periodic motion of its own. In fact, the UV quanta fromelectrons can be proportionate to the orbital period (geometry) as Millssuggest by the Rydberg energy quanta. Mossbauer radiation is another exampleand it is entirely denominated by geometry (in forcing magnetic precession). The shortest emission wavelength(lowest quanta of energy) which I have seen from a relatively cold nucleus (nonkinetic radiation) corresponds to mass energy around 6 keV. If there isanything shorter in the literature, it would be helpful to cite it – as thishas plenty of relevance to understanding LENR. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
More and more I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get a TIP report that shows something interesting, but nowhere guaranteeing the power densities shown in the first report. While I believe that Rossi believes he has something and that IH believes they have something and that there is no fraudulent behavior going on here, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And the middle is, yes energy, just not very exciting energy. And possibly, after some analysis, it could be just an impressive new source of chemical energy that's competitive perhaps with Rocket Fuel in the best case scenario, but in reality it's just competitive with optimal Geothermal. In this scenario, I consider the eCat not to have lived up to its promises which is why my estimate is around 35%. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Another possibility is IH may have decided they don't want the world competing with them, so they gave the researchers an eCat which is just enough interesting to generate a patent but not so interesting it causes the world to sit up and take notice. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: More and more I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get a TIP report that shows something interesting, but nowhere guaranteeing the power densities shown in the first report. While I believe that Rossi believes he has something and that IH believes they have something and that there is no fraudulent behavior going on here, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And the middle is, yes energy, just not very exciting energy. And possibly, after some analysis, it could be just an impressive new source of chemical energy that's competitive perhaps with Rocket Fuel in the best case scenario, but in reality it's just competitive with optimal Geothermal. In this scenario, I consider the eCat not to have lived up to its promises which is why my estimate is around 35%. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release.
[Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
It's June! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is it about this report that will be any more compelling than the Alba Langenskiöld Foundation and ELFORSK AB report http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913? On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's June! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
usually 30 days... Peter On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's June! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
This should be 6 months test, remember? 2014-06-02 13:30 GMT-03:00 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (jabow...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rule https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DnrdOnI7c91RlO8vROaCWXmwbst6KyQJX2zbHn8pTALM5X3n3zptIoTHFF0hQfoI4dvumirVgkXLOfp96vOIGIhUKaUf8%252BFVVoTDoyEQeewPjkvfUlrsLulECNR3MjkRgSob51o9xTUs%253D%26key%3D2IoU4%252BzB9tzn00nHCC20u6ikmY%252Bnfjxfgg6yvCr764g%253Dtc_serial=17461800110tc_rand=681396578utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 | More info http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17461800110tc_rand=681396578utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 Forgive my ignorance, but what is it about this report that will be any more compelling than the Alba Langenskiöld Foundation and ELFORSK AB report http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913? On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's June! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
Probably nothing. If they turn out to have had complete control over the device (i.e. Rossi sold his IP IH might allow it to be cracked), and produced the same results, that might be something. If any black-box component remains, skeptics will not believe it. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but what is it about this report that will be any more compelling than the Alba Langenskiöld Foundation and ELFORSK AB report http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913? On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's June! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Probably nothing. If they turn out to have had complete control over the device (i.e. Rossi sold his IP IH might allow it to be cracked), and produced the same results, that might be something. I believe they did have complete control. I have heard they improved the electric power input measurement, which was the weakest part of the first set of tests, in my opinion. I have no idea what the results are. (I would not reveal them even if I knew.) If any black-box component remains, skeptics will not believe it. Skeptics will not believe anything under any circumstances. Not until *Nature* magazine and the DoE give them permission to believe. Then they will rewrite history to say the believed all along. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis
From: David Roberson In the RF world emissions can be generated by antennas that are far shorter than the wavelength of the radiation. The efficiency of the radiator becomes lower as the size decreases but it emits non the less. Yes of course that is true, but normal antennas are not quantum emitters. This is why identifying the actual physical data for real radiative emission spectra is so important. It is why I documented that past reports about UV and optical emissions from nuclei have been proved to be false. AFAIK there has been no evidence presented of photon emission of longer wavelength than about 200 picometers. That value can be well documented in several high spin emitters; therefore this value can serve as the presumptive limit for the longest wavelength or lowest energy quanta which can be emitted by any stationary nucleus – about 6 keV. Of course, if anyone can document a lower value quanta - in any element – let’s hear it ! One can maintain, as Robin does, that this wl although it is short - is so disproportionate with the tiny size of the nucleus (1-4 Fermi dia.) as to make the large ratio meaningless in antenna theory. However, experience rules – and if there is found to be no longer wl than this in physics– then the relative disproportion can be explained possibly via some higher power law. For instance the square of 137 is an approximate value for this ratio (should we want to bring in the fine structure constant). Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis
Jones- You mention high spin emitters. What were they? I would assume that the larger the magnetic field the spin emitters were in, the greater the emitted energy would be since the difference between the energy levels of adjacent states would be greater. Things to consider: Any quantum system tries to reach a lower energy for any allowed transition to such a lower state. Thus, the halo concept of the formation of new states makes sense, since it entails transition from a high energy to a lower energy. The temperature controls the lowest probable energy state for the Q-system. If anti parallel spin states of two nearby particles--D particles for example--occur and the next lowest energy state for the pair is a closer position with each having additional spin energy, such a transition should occur. The total angular momentum of the 2 particles remains 0 or nearly 0--in the short time that the suggested reaction takes place an imbalance of angular momentum my be ok--and the loss of mass--energy--is absorbed first in small increments associated with first an increase of spin energy for each D and then emitted as a decrease of spin energy as the distance between the particles becomes less and less, coming to a stop as a ground state He-4 particle. The mechanism may be much like Cooper paring. The radiation to look for would be the differential energy between spin states of the respective D particles as they spiral into the center of the two particle system and the final He-4 nucleus with its 0 spin state. The reason that lower energy emissions have not been seen is that such a reaction has not been studied TMK. My guess is that it has been studied in secret. The same thing may happen in the Ni-H system with 2 H going to D and 2 D going to He collecting electrons along the way or a pair of electrons available in the magnetic field. Bob From: Jones BeeneI Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: David Roberson In the RF world emissions can be generated by antennas that are far shorter than the wavelength of the radiation. The efficiency of the radiator becomes lower as the size decreases but it emits non the less. Yes of course that is true, but normal antennas are not quantum emitters. This is why identifying the actual physical data for real radiative emission spectra is so important. It is why I documented that past reports about UV and optical emissions from nuclei have been proved to be false. AFAIK there has been no evidence presented of photon emission of longer wavelength than about 200 picometers. That value can be well documented in several high spin emitters; therefore this value can serve as the presumptive limit for the longest wavelength or lowest energy quanta which can be emitted by any stationary nucleus – about 6 keV. Of course, if anyone can document a lower value quanta - in any element – let’s hear it ! One can maintain, as Robin does, that this wl although it is short - is so disproportionate with the tiny size of the nucleus (1-4 Fermi dia.) as to make the large ratio meaningless in antenna theory. However, experience rules – and if there is found to be no longer wl than this in physics– then the relative disproportion can be explained possibly via some higher power law. For instance the square of 137 is an approximate value for this ratio (should we want to bring in the fine structure constant). Jones
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
I believe they did have complete control. I have heard they improved the electric power input measurement, which was the weakest part of the first set of tests, in my opinion. The only thing they weren't able to do was actually open the device right? Did they have control of input or just any measurements they wanted to make on it? I believe they did have complete control. I have heard they improved the electric power input measurement, which was the weakest part of the first set of tests, in my opinion. I can't argue with this really. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Probably nothing. If they turn out to have had complete control over the device (i.e. Rossi sold his IP IH might allow it to be cracked), and produced the same results, that might be something. I believe they did have complete control. I have heard they improved the electric power input measurement, which was the weakest part of the first set of tests, in my opinion. I have no idea what the results are. (I would not reveal them even if I knew.) If any black-box component remains, skeptics will not believe it. Skeptics will not believe anything under any circumstances. Not until *Nature* magazine and the DoE give them permission to believe. Then they will rewrite history to say the believed all along. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
1. Rossi originally forecast the end of June. Now he is saying week 2 -3 June. 2. The testers are said to have full control, short of opening the E-Cat HT 3. The important new thing is the test was 6 months. We have no prior data on how long it runs. The testers were supplied with three E-Cats but only used one. If it had not worked they would have tried another
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
foks0...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing they weren't able to do was actually open the device right? I guess not. No one told me that. That was the deal with the previous tests. Did they have control of input or just any measurements they wanted to make on it? Absolute control over everything. As far as I know, Rossi was not there for much of the test. They had complete control over what they measured and what instruments they used in the last tests as well. They chose not use sophisticated input power measurement devices. I urged them to use a conventional industrial power company meter this time, and they agreed that would be a good idea. I hope they followed through. (Note that they could use more than one meter to measure input power. That is the beauty of electricity.) I suppose they had control over input but if you do not modulate input correctly, it doesn't work, so they had to do it his way. I guess Rossi trusts them not to open the cell, assuming that was the agreement this time. Nothing could prevent from doing that, but I guess he would find out. It would be hard to hide the effects of that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
How do you know? On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:30 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: 1. Rossi originally forecast the end of June. Now he is saying week 2 -3 June. 2. The testers are said to have full control, short of opening the E-Cat HT 3. The important new thing is the test was 6 months. We have no prior data on how long it runs. The testers were supplied with three E-Cats but only used one. If it had not worked they would have tried another
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
oks0904 . http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Foks0904+.%22 Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:03:07 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140602 How do you know? It is secondhand information. To really know you will have to wait for the report.
Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.
Alright thanks. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: oks0904 . http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Foks0904+.%22 Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:03:07 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140602 How do you know? It is secondhand information. To really know you will have to wait for the report.
Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:05:10 -0700: Hi, [snip] However, experience rules and if there is found to be no longer wl than this in physics then the relative disproportion can be explained possibly via some higher power law. For instance the square of 137 is an approximate value for this ratio (should we want to bring in the fine structure constant). Experience does rule, but it has to be appropriate experience. Knowledge of how to bake a cake isn't going to help much when you are building a house. If this is a new reaction, as you are proposing, then knowledge based on existing reactions may not be appropriate. I short, just because we don't currently observe something, that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't happen. It's possible that the required circumstances are just rare in nature, and thus would require special intervention on our part to bring them about. I.e. they would need to be contrived. E.g. how many internal combustion engines occur naturally? ;) (Billions actually, if you count muscles, or are they electric motors? :) BTW the fact that no longer wavelength is observed could have other reasons:- 1) The differences between energy levels in the nucleus may simply not be that small. 2) There may be a link between the probability of emission and the wavelength, such that emission of longer wavelengths becomes progressively less likely as the wavelength increases. This could make emission of UV very rare, and thus difficult to detect. This also ties in with the size ratio, and Dave's comment about antennae emitting poorly when the size is mismatched. Though the following is clearly an argument from authority, consider the fact that since others have looked for UV radiation, they clearly didn't think it was impossible a priori. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
Those are great examples. But your writing is so superior that I shouldn't be reading it on the web for free. It should have been in your book. The counterexamples would include the guys who built videogames into a huge, legitimate industry that drove CPU clock speeds; the Wright brothers A.I. Root, who was the first to document their achievement (in a beekeeping journal) while Scientific American snubbed their noses at the possibility and practicality of flight; Elon Musk; Chuck Yeager (excellent autobiography); Ronald Reagan; Burt Rutan; Vaclav Havel; the current Pope; Horatio Alger; Steve Wozniak; my Favorite: Jesus of Nazareth; and Robert Metcalf The difference between a *visionary* and a *crackpot* is that the *visionary* turns out to be right... On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: It's my understanding that people in high demand in the media get paid for their appearances. And they go on lecture tours, where the lecture fees paid to them can run into 6 figures per lecture. That's how famous you could become. That sounds like fun! But I have nothing good to say about anyone in the establishment, so I doubt they will want to hear from me. You can go on Fox News and attack the New York Times, or vice versa, but if you blame both of them, neither will host you. History shows that people say they want the unvarnished truth, and they say they like to see the establishment brought down and fools suffer their comeuppance, but that is not true. Sen. William Smith uncovered the facts about the Titanic disaster and reformed passenger safety. His was attacked by the industry and press, and to be ridiculed and marginalized in nearly every book on the subject. Young British officers showed that the commanders of World War I squandered millions of lives with frontal attacks. They were vilified and forgotten, while the generals who ordered the attacks were promoted to the aristocracy. Gen. Billy Mitchell showed that airplanes can sink ships. He was court martialed for insubordination. An NRC field engineer repeatedly warned that Three Mile Island was vulnerable and that a stuck valve might trigger a catastrophe, because that nearly happened on two occasions. His superiors in the agency finally ordered him to shut up and stop filing reports. The valve stuck a third time, the reactor core melted . . . and he was fired while his superiors were promoted and given cash awards. No one was ever held to account for the fact that Iraq had no WMDs. Colin Powell wrote that he blames himself but I don't think he or anyone else lost status or was demoted, in a book titled It Worked For Me, about leadership advice. I gather the title and theme are not intended to be an ironic joke. 'A failure will always be attached to me and my U.N. presentation,' Powell writes in *It Worked For Me*, a book that provides leadership advice. 'I am mad mostly at myself for not having smelled the problem. My instincts failed me.' The people who caused the 2008 market crash were rewarded with billions of dollars in profits and the biggest taxpayer bailout in history. (Fortunately, they paid most of the money back.) The banks are bigger than ever. Some of the people who warned against it were ignored and then blamed. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
Kevin sez: ... The difference between a visionary and a crackpot is that the visionary turns out to be right... History is always revised by the victor. All good points, Kevin. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: More and more I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get a TIP report that shows something interesting, but nowhere guaranteeing the power densities shown in the first report. While I believe that Rossi believes he has something and that IH believes they have something and that there is no fraudulent behavior going on here, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And the middle is, yes energy, just not very exciting energy. And possibly, after some analysis, it could be just an impressive new source of chemical energy that's competitive perhaps with Rocket Fuel in the best case scenario, but in reality it's just competitive with optimal Geothermal. In this scenario, I consider the eCat not to have lived up to its promises which is why my estimate is around 35%. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Geez, Blaze. If you're gonna post such wishy-washy stuff, you should just post it on a new thread instead of a thread where you've been heavily criticized for ignoring posts directly to you, for abandoning such a thread, and a thread where such a post simply makes you look like you're as addlepated *as a* talk radio twit on Oxycontin. I'm afraid I need to revise downward my estimate of the possibility you'll pull your head out of your ass at 8.33%, assuming the Australian perspective was legitimate. If all this is yes energy, just not very exciting energy, then we can extract such non-exciting energy from hydrogen and nickel rather than petroleum. Geez, Blaze, pull your head out. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: More and more I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get a TIP report that shows something interesting, but nowhere guaranteeing the power densities shown in the first report. While I believe that Rossi believes he has something and that IH believes they have something and that there is no fraudulent behavior going on here, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And the middle is, yes energy, just not very exciting energy. And possibly, after some analysis, it could be just an impressive new source of chemical energy that's competitive perhaps with Rocket Fuel in the best case scenario, but in reality it's just competitive with optimal Geothermal. In this scenario, I consider the eCat not to have lived up to its promises which is why my estimate is around 35%. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
If it's interesting enough to generate a patent then it is worthwhile. The world would sit up and take notice simply because Rossi ain't a fraud, as the common notion suggests. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility is IH may have decided they don't want the world competing with them, so they gave the researchers an eCat which is just enough interesting to generate a patent but not so interesting it causes the world to sit up and take notice. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: More and more I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to get a TIP report that shows something interesting, but nowhere guaranteeing the power densities shown in the first report. While I believe that Rossi believes he has something and that IH believes they have something and that there is no fraudulent behavior going on here, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And the middle is, yes energy, just not very exciting energy. And possibly, after some analysis, it could be just an impressive new source of chemical energy that's competitive perhaps with Rocket Fuel in the best case scenario, but in reality it's just competitive with optimal Geothermal. In this scenario, I consider the eCat not to have lived up to its promises which is why my estimate is around 35%. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at
Re: [Vo]:what would our much regretted friends say about CF today?
My essay was about solving problems as well, and it was extremely pragmatical. On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: My essay is basically about problem solving.It is too pragmatical to call the attention of the judges but it fullfills many of the requirements of the contest and parts of its were already cited on the Web. Peter On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I think Jed's essay is better written. Mine was basically one paragraph, very simple, very practical, with followup q a. So if I've done any increasing of chances in the last few days, it was increasing chances for Jed to win it. If you await for facts and certainties, making predictions becomes easy, doesn't it? On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Kevin, I am speaking about some of my very best CF friends whom I met in real life too, not only on the Net and who had died young. How would they judge the situation today? I am making my own predictions, however I am waiting for facts and certainties I think your chances to win a prize with your Essay at FQXI have increased during the last days Peter On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Peter: I do not understand what you are asking. What is a much regretted friend? If it's predictions you're after, look at these 2 threads: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg93935.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93531.html How does hope... only come from outside classic CF. Please elaborate with an emphasis on clarity. On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: This is an appeal to my readers- can you help me in analyzing and predicting what will happen to/in/with our Field. Just now, hope comes only from outside classic CF. This time I hope to have many answers from you, I dare to think that you still CARE. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com