[Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Jed Rothwell]

Here is a new article about Brillouin:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/BrillouinIE123.pdf


My response:

Godes' strategy makes no sense to me. It is a terrific waste of his time
and his investors' money. I cannot imagine any reason why a person would
build a 104 kW reactor at this stage. It also makes no sense to build a
self-sustaining device. It would be far better to make a reactor that
produces 100 W, and to measure that with good calorimetry. This would be
more convincing, easier to do, safer, far cheaper, and faster.

It has been said that some people will only be convinced by a
self-sustaining device. That is true, but such people are stupid. It is a
waste of time trying to convince them. Even if you do convince them they
will be nothing but trouble for you after that. Extremely stupid people
will not even be convinced by a self-sustaining device. Any sensible
engineer or scientist will be convinced by good calorimetry at 100 W. Even
10 Watts would be sufficient if it is done correctly.

Here are some other reasons why this strategy is absurd:

1. This is a distraction. It has nothing to do with his stated goal. It is
as if the Wright brothers had stopped the development of the airplane in
1904 and concentrated instead on developing retractable landing gear. Or
complicated launching gear that costs tens of thousands of dollars, which
is exactly what their rival Dr. Langley did:

http://www.wright-brothers.org/History_Wing/History_of_the_Airplane/Doers_and_Dreamers/Wright_Smithsonian_Controversy/images/1903-Langley-Aerodrome-ready-for-launch-8-October.JPG

The Wright brothers launching gear was a 2" x 4" wooden rail and two
bicycle wheel hubs, costing a few dollars. As Wilbur later said:

Those who failed for lack of time had already used more time than was
necessary; those who failed for lack of money had already spent more money
than was necessary . . .


If Godes has what he claims, then he is spending more time and money than
is necessary. This is a cardinal sin in business.

2. There are hundreds of corporations and probably hundreds of thousands of
engineers in the world who can do a better job at this than Godes. If he
would only demonstrate that the effect is real, these corporations and
experts would be lined up ready to do this job far more skillfully than he
could do it. Not only will this cost him nothing; they will pay him
enormous sums of money.

3. The reactor and generator will be obsolete before you can finish
building them.

4. This much heat is dangerous. Any heat flux above 100 Watts is dangerous.

5. This is too much heat to measure with precision. You have to use
industrial equipment which will give you a result within 5% or 10% at best.

6. Perhaps, for some reason, the reactor cannot be made on a small scale.
But surely it can be made on a kilowatt scale rather than 104 kW.

This strategy is similar to Rossi's strategy of making a 1 MW reactor. I
think Rossi's strategy is also absurd and ill-advised, for similar reasons.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

>
> Jed says:
>
> 2. There are hundreds of corporations and probably hundreds of thousands
> of engineers in the world who can do a better job at this than Godes. If he
> would only demonstrate that the effect is real, these corporations and
> experts would be lined up ready to do this job far more skillfully than he
> could do it. Not only will this cost him nothing; they will pay him
> enormous sums of money.
>

Robert Godes says:

 “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies
should be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to
produce things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. The company is about
licensing intellectual property so other companies can build devices
themselves. This is an enormous market. There’s no way that one company can
supply everything. How many oil companies, how many miners are there? It
will require more companies than that to fill the need. This makes energy
very inexpensive. The demand for energy is going to expand tremendously
once this technology makes its way to the market. Brillouin will be
licensing the technology.”

Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/31/rossi-manufacturing-not-licensing-is-focus-for-e-cat/

Without air tight IP protection through patents, selling knowhow cannot be
done. Rossi is locking down LENR IP. Unless Godes gets his own IP, he has
nothing to sell.

Will Rossi go to court to cut the legs out from under Godes' IP product
offering? Time will tell.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Jed says:
>>
>> 2. There are hundreds of corporations and probably hundreds of thousands
>> of engineers in the world who can do a better job at this than Godes. If he
>> would only demonstrate that the effect is real, these corporations and
>> experts would be lined up ready to do this job far more skillfully than he
>> could do it. Not only will this cost him nothing; they will pay him
>> enormous sums of money.
>>
>
> Robert Godes says:
>
>  “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies
> should be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to
> produce things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. The company is about
> licensing intellectual property so other companies can build devices
> themselves. This is an enormous market. There’s no way that one company can
> supply everything. How many oil companies, how many miners are there? It
> will require more companies than that to fill the need. This makes energy
> very inexpensive. The demand for energy is going to expand tremendously
> once this technology makes its way to the market. Brillouin will be
> licensing the technology.”
>
> Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?
>

[Vo]:LENR WEEK PREVIEW AND INFO

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/08/lenr-week-preview-and-info.html

Please read it and not only for the sake of LENR

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[Jones Beene]

From: ChemE Stewart 

Similar Item:

 

Ø  
http://phys.org/news/2013-02-german-student-electromagnetic-harvester-recharge.html

 

Yes – thanks for remembering this, Stewart, It appears that this effort will at 
least provide us with a baseline for determining how much benefit there is in 
capturing EM “smog” by various means. 

 

A long life AA battery has about 2.6 watt-hours (9300 joules) of useful energy, 
and a rechargeable AA about half of that. The German “harvester” requires 24 
hour to recharge - and thus it can capture about one tenth a watt-hour per hour 
of recharge time. 

 

The ADGEX, if we can believe their spiel, is capturing another form of energy 
instead of background EM/RF smog, which allows it to put out 120 lumen or light 
emission for 12 hours, with a 2 hour recharge. The time of the recharge is 
stated in one place as 2 hours but longer in another reference, so this detail 
needs to be firmed up.

 

120 lumens is equivalent to 2 watts - in a better LED lamp array. Thus the 
ADGEX will go thru 24 watt-hours in a single recharge, which is then 
rejuvenated at a rate of 12 watt-hours per hour, Therefore, this is about 120 
times more energy capture than what is available from EM/RF smog. 

 

That is very significant – if we can believe it. 

 

Since the early product is for sale – then the best way to verify the claim 
seems to be to buy one and test it. If the flashlight works reliably, there is 
no reason (in principle) with mass production that 10,000 of them could not 
power an automobile and recharge overnight

 

Jones

 

Side note: As to what the circuitry consists of – it appears the batteries 
contain nickel. Notably, in many types of batteries, hydrogen is the charge 
carrier and nickel is found in one or both of the electrodes. The dense form of 
hydrogen known as IRH (inverted Rydberg hydrogen) would be an ideal charge 
carrier, especially in the form that Mills calls “hydrino-hydride” but BLP 
apparently could not bring this to market. Have the Russians done it for him?

 

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


>  “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies
> should be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to
> produce things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. . . .
>


>
> Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?
>

Yes, I think I understand it better than Godes does. He says he "does not
want to produce things" yet he spends millions of his investor's dollars
producing things!

If this is really his strategy, then he should make a device that produces
heat around 100 to 1000 W. He should make it as reliable as he can, with
the best power density. He should demonstrate it is real. Everything after
that should be left to his customers, which should be industrial
corporations. When it comes to engineering a 104 kW heat source or a
generator, they have immeasurably more experience and expertise that he
does. Plus they probably would not like to see him compete with them.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

It seems to me that what you don;t want to do is design a reactor that
produces tritium. Tritium production is a nonstarter in the reactor
business. The NRC will shut down any reactor that produces tritium even in
the smallest amounts. What is Godes thinking here?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>>  “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies
>> should be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to
>> produce things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. . . .
>>
>
>
>>
>> Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?
>>
>
> Yes, I think I understand it better than Godes does. He says he "does not
> want to produce things" yet he spends millions of his investor's dollars
> producing things!
>
> If this is really his strategy, then he should make a device that produces
> heat around 100 to 1000 W. He should make it as reliable as he can, with
> the best power density. He should demonstrate it is real. Everything after
> that should be left to his customers, which should be industrial
> corporations. When it comes to engineering a 104 kW heat source or a
> generator, they have immeasurably more experience and expertise that he
> does. Plus they probably would not like to see him compete with them.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[David Roberson]

He obviously wants to show that his reaction is nuclear by the tritium 
production.  Let's hope that the amount generated is not going to be an issue 
for regulators.
 
Dave
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response


 
It seems to me that what you don;t want to do is design a reactor that produces 
tritium. Tritium production is a nonstarter in the reactor business. The NRC 
will shut down any reactor that produces tritium even in the smallest amounts. 
What is Godes thinking here? 
 
  
  
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: 
  
   

 
  
Axil Axil wrote:  
  
   

   

 
  
   
 “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies should 
be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to produce 
things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. . . .
  
 

   
   
  


 
  
   

 


Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?
   
  
 
 
  
  
   
  
Yes, I think I understand it better than Godes does. He says he "does not want 
to produce things" yet he spends millions of his investor's dollars producing 
things! 
 
  
 
 
If this is really his strategy, then he should make a device that produces heat 
around 100 to 1000 W. He should make it as reliable as he can, with the best 
power density. He should demonstrate it is real. Everything after that should 
be left to his customers, which should be industrial corporations. When it 
comes to engineering a 104 kW heat source or a generator, they have 
immeasurably more experience and expertise that he does. Plus they probably 
would not like to see him compete with them. 


   
   
- Jed   
   

   


  
  
 
 

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

No reactor that produces any amount of tritium will ever be sold!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:42 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> He obviously wants to show that his reaction is nuclear by the tritium
> production.  Let's hope that the amount generated is not going to be an
> issue for regulators.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 2:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response
>
> It seems to me that what you don;t want to do is design a reactor that
> produces tritium. Tritium production is a nonstarter in the reactor
> business. The NRC will shut down any reactor that produces tritium even in
> the smallest amounts. What is Godes thinking here?
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  “We are an engineering company. We are making equipment that companies
>>> should be able to go out and produce things themselves. We don’t want to
>>> produce things; it’s not what Brillouin is about. . . .
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jed, did you not understand the business plan explained here?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I think I understand it better than Godes does. He says he "does not
>> want to produce things" yet he spends millions of his investor's dollars
>> producing things!
>>
>> If this is really his strategy, then he should make a device that
>> produces heat around 100 to 1000 W. He should make it as reliable as he
>> can, with the best power density. He should demonstrate it is real.
>> Everything after that should be left to his customers, which should be
>> industrial corporations. When it comes to engineering a 104 kW heat source
>> or a generator, they have immeasurably more experience and expertise that
>> he does. Plus they probably would not like to see him compete with them.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:

No reactor that produces any amount of tritium will ever be sold!
>

That may not be true. Tritium is used today in exit signs and wristwatches.
In other words, government regulations already allow it in small amounts.
As long as it can be shown that the amount of tritium produced is limited
and can be controlled, and that the device sealed in a way that prevents
any leakage, small amounts will probably be okay. It is easier to seal a
cold fusion cell than something like a battery or in an internal combustion
engine.

It would not surprise me if fossil fuel lobbyists try to prevent the use of
cold fusion because it produces tritium. The way to counter this will be
for cold fusion lobbyists to point out that the use of fossil fuel releases
far more radioactive garbage into the environment than cold fusion ever
will, especially from burning coal.

If there are no cold fusion lobbyists then there is no chance cold fusion
will ever be allowed. I am sure the opposition from the physics
establishment and later from the fossil fuel industry will crush it.
Fortunately, many powerful interests such as industrial corporations will
be in favor of developing cold fusion and they will be willing to pay for
lobbyists.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[a.ashfield]

Jed, not to mention that Tokamaks produce tritium by the liter.

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

FYI

Rector shutdown due to radiation leakage.

https://tlarremore.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/nuclear-event-reactor-shutdown-salem-nuclear-power-plant-new-jersey/t

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> No reactor that produces any amount of tritium will ever be sold!
>>
>
> That may not be true. Tritium is used today in exit signs and
> wristwatches. In other words, government regulations already allow it in
> small amounts. As long as it can be shown that the amount of tritium
> produced is limited and can be controlled, and that the device sealed in a
> way that prevents any leakage, small amounts will probably be okay. It is
> easier to seal a cold fusion cell than something like a battery or in an
> internal combustion engine.
>
> It would not surprise me if fossil fuel lobbyists try to prevent the use
> of cold fusion because it produces tritium. The way to counter this will be
> for cold fusion lobbyists to point out that the use of fossil fuel releases
> far more radioactive garbage into the environment than cold fusion ever
> will, especially from burning coal.
>
> If there are no cold fusion lobbyists then there is no chance cold fusion
> will ever be allowed. I am sure the opposition from the physics
> establishment and later from the fossil fuel industry will crush it.
> Fortunately, many powerful interests such as industrial corporations will
> be in favor of developing cold fusion and they will be willing to pay for
> lobbyists.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Article on Brillouin, and my response

[Axil Axil]

NRC nuclear inspections cost a lot, The reactor operators must give the NRC
about 20 million a year for inspection.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:50 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Jed, not to mention that Tokamaks produce tritium by the liter.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[ChemE Stewart]

Another similar bracelet

http://www.iewei.net/en/#HOME

On Monday, August 31, 2015, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* ChemE Stewart
>
> Similar Item:
>
>
>
> Ø
> http://phys.org/news/2013-02-german-student-electromagnetic-harvester-recharge.html
>
>
>
> Yes – thanks for remembering this, Stewart, It appears that this effort
> will at least provide us with a baseline for determining how much benefit
> there is in capturing EM “smog” by various means.
>
>
>
> A long life AA battery has about 2.6 watt-hours (9300 joules) of useful
> energy, and a rechargeable AA about half of that. The German “harvester”
> requires 24 hour to recharge - and thus it can capture about one tenth a
> watt-hour per hour of recharge time.
>
>
>
> The ADGEX, if we can believe their spiel, is capturing another form of
> energy instead of background EM/RF smog, which allows it to put out 120
> lumen or light emission for 12 hours, with a 2 hour recharge. The time of
> the recharge is stated in one place as 2 hours but longer in another
> reference, so this detail needs to be firmed up.
>
>
>
> 120 lumens is equivalent to 2 watts - in a better LED lamp array. Thus the
> ADGEX will go thru 24 watt-hours in a single recharge, which is then
> rejuvenated at a rate of 12 watt-hours per hour, Therefore, this is about
> 120 times more energy capture than what is available from EM/RF smog.
>
>
>
> That is very significant – if we can believe it.
>
>
>
> Since the early product is for sale – then the best way to verify the
> claim seems to be to buy one and test it. If the flashlight works reliably,
> there is no reason (in principle) with mass production that 10,000 of them
> could not power an automobile and recharge overnight
>
>
>
> Jones
>
>
>
> Side note: As to what the circuitry consists of – it appears the batteries
> contain nickel. Notably, in many types of batteries, hydrogen is the charge
> carrier and nickel is found in one or both of the electrodes. The dense
> form of hydrogen known as IRH (inverted Rydberg hydrogen) would be an ideal
> charge carrier, especially in the form that Mills calls “hydrino-hydride”
> but BLP apparently could not bring this to market. Have the Russians done
> it for him?
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office !!

[Kevin O'Malley]

Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office
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Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office

Posted on August 25, 2015 by Frank Acland • 281 Comments

Thanks to Mcloki for sharing this very important news as far as the E-Cat
is concerned (and all who emailed me).

Mats Lewan has posted on his Impossible Invention blog that Andrea Rossi
has been granted a US Patent http://animpossibleinvention.c...


The patent was granted today, August 25 2015. A link to the full text his
here:

https://animpossibleinvention


More to follow.

This should be a very significant event in terms of replication of the
“Rossi Effect”. There have been a number of efforts already by people who
have studied Rossi’s statements, E-Cat test reports, and the work of other
replciators like Alexander Parkhomov. Now we have some important new
details that should help replicators — and I am sure new replicators will
get in the game now.

One interesting excerpt from the patent that should be helpful:

“Variations in the ratio of reactants and catalyst tend to govern reaction
rate, and are not critical. However, it has been found that a suitable
mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and
30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride]. Within this mixture, nickel acts as a
catalyst for the reaction, and is not itself a reagent. While nickel is
particularly useful because of its relative abundance, its function can
also be carried out by other elements in column 10 of the periodic table,
such as platinum or palladium.”

I asked Rossi on the JONP how they were able to turn things around after
the patent had previously received a final rejection by the USPTO. He
replied:

Andrea Rossi
August 25th, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Frank Acland:
Working, studying, discussing.
Thank you for your important congratulations. This is an achievement of all
of us of the LENR family.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

There’s a brief Q with Andrea Rossi on the Ecat.com 
website here: http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-pat...

RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office !!

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

I'm guessing the question most of us are asking at this point is whether an 
independent replication effort will be performed based on Rossi's latest patent 
filing information.

 

Perhaps I'm mistaken on this point but I'm guessing an independent setup & test 
shouldn't be all that costly to do. Who might be invested or motivated enough 
to do it?

 

What does the peanut gallery have to say?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[Ron Kita]

I thought that I was getting power from a conductive  Neo Magnet...then I
turned off the flourescent light above meProof- No
Voltage reading.
Ron Kita, Chiralex

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Alain Sepeda 
wrote:

> I've worked on EMI detection in paris.
>
> first source of Em is 50Hz from house wiring (HV lines are negligible few
> meters away) because you are inside the loop, or at least nearby.
>
> second source is FM radio (very clear in paris, they saturated a 1M$
> receptor who was fooled a funny way).
>
> TV is big too, nearly same frequency as GSM.
>
> today your phone is noticeable too, much above GSM antennas.
>
> Wifi is absolutely negligible, as bluetooth.
>
> note that for the brain the biggest EM sources are ...
> neurons. when they fire the EM field is the biggest you can imagine inside
> a biological tissue. really a clinical risk !
> stop thinking please!
>
>
> 2015-08-30 23:41 GMT+02:00 :
>
>> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0700:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a
>> >self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in Australia,
>> >for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture
>> >Schumann resonance. It would be easy to write this off as fantasy .
>> except
>> >for the fact that it is (claimed to be) in actual production.
>> >
>> >Curiously it uses nickel ..
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc
>> >
>> >http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS-
>> >OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx
>> >
>> >Who needs a hot-cat if you can get unlimited free energy from a battery?
>>
>> I suspect that most of the power comes from the wiring in the home. It's
>> by far
>> the strongest form of EM radiation in a house. You only need to touch an
>> oscilloscope lead to see this.
>> IOW there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[Alain Sepeda]

I've worked on EMI detection in paris.

first source of Em is 50Hz from house wiring (HV lines are negligible few
meters away) because you are inside the loop, or at least nearby.

second source is FM radio (very clear in paris, they saturated a 1M$
receptor who was fooled a funny way).

TV is big too, nearly same frequency as GSM.

today your phone is noticeable too, much above GSM antennas.

Wifi is absolutely negligible, as bluetooth.

note that for the brain the biggest EM sources are ...
neurons. when they fire the EM field is the biggest you can imagine inside
a biological tissue. really a clinical risk !
stop thinking please!


2015-08-30 23:41 GMT+02:00 :

> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0700:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a
> >self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in Australia,
> >for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture
> >Schumann resonance. It would be easy to write this off as fantasy . except
> >for the fact that it is (claimed to be) in actual production.
> >
> >Curiously it uses nickel ..
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc
> >
> >http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6
> >
> >
> http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS-
> >OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx
> >
> >Who needs a hot-cat if you can get unlimited free energy from a battery?
>
> I suspect that most of the power comes from the wiring in the home. It's
> by far
> the strongest form of EM radiation in a house. You only need to touch an
> oscilloscope lead to see this.
> IOW there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office !!

[Jed Rothwell]

Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson  wrote:
>
> Perhaps I'm mistaken on this point but I'm guessing an independent setup &
> test shouldn't be all that costly to do.
>
Not costly or difficult if you are a phosita! To paraphrase Dirty Harry:
Ask yourself: Do I pheel like a phosita? Well, do ya, punk?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[Eric Walker]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

Who within the Vort Collective would like to volunteer to keep a casual
> watch on this development?


If the invention is quirky, the claims outlandish and the inventor a little
colorful, I'm sure the development will be followed here with great
pleasure.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[David Roberson]

Does anyone have a diagram that shows the internal circuitry of this device?  
Why is it only expected to last for 5 years if the energy source is infinite?  
My suspicion is that it is battery backed up and the actual charging rate is 
extremely slow.

This appears to be more of a toy than a useful product to me.  At least with a 
regular flashlight you can change the batteries once the light becomes too dim 
without having to wait a long time for the light to become useful again.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ron Kita 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 5:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX


 
I thought that I was getting power from a conductive  Neo Magnet...then I 
turned off the flourescent light above meProof- No  
Voltage reading.  
  
Ron Kita, Chiralex  
 
 
  
  
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Alain Sepeda 
wrote:   
   

I've worked on EMI detection in paris. 
  
 
 
first source of Em is 50Hz from house wiring (HV lines are negligible few 
meters away) because you are inside the loop, or at least nearby. 
 
  
 
 
second source is FM radio (very clear in paris, they saturated a 1M$ receptor 
who was fooled a funny way). 
 
  
 
 
TV is big too, nearly same frequency as GSM. 
 
  
 
 
today your phone is noticeable too, much above GSM antennas. 
 
  
 
 
Wifi is absolutely negligible, as bluetooth. 
 
  
 
 
note that for the brain the biggest EM sources are ... 
 
neurons. when they fire the EM field is the biggest you can imagine inside a 
biological tissue. really a clinical risk ! 
 
stop thinking please! 
 
  
 


 
  
   
   
2015-08-30 23:41 GMT+02:00 :

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0700: 
 Hi, 
 [snip] 
  >There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a
 >self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in Australia,
 >for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture
 >Schumann resonance. It would be easy to write this off as fantasy . except
 > 
  >for the fact that it is (claimed to be) in actual production.
 >
 >Curiously it uses nickel .. 
  >
 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc
 >
 >http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6
 >
 >http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS-
 >OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx
 >
 >Who needs a hot-cat if you can get unlimited free energy from a battery?
 
 I suspect that most of the power comes from the wiring in the home. It's by 
far 
 the strongest form of EM radiation in a house. You only need to touch an   
  
 oscilloscope lead to see this. 
 IOW there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. 
  
 Regards, 
  
 Robin van Spaandonk 
  
  http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html 
  
 
   
   
  
  

   
  
  
 
 

Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX

[ChemE Stewart]

Similar Item:

http://phys.org/news/2013-02-german-student-electromagnetic-harvester-recharge.html

If we are going to irradiate ourselves we might as well generate power
while we are alive!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:14 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Does anyone have a diagram that shows the internal circuitry of this
> device?  Why is it only expected to last for 5 years if the energy source
> is infinite?  My suspicion is that it is battery backed up and the actual
> charging rate is extremely slow.
>
> This appears to be more of a toy than a useful product to me.  At least
> with a regular flashlight you can change the batteries once the light
> becomes too dim without having to wait a long time for the light to become
> useful again.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Kita 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 5:39 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Self- charging battery ADGEX
>
> I thought that I was getting power from a conductive  Neo Magnet...then I
> turned off the flourescent light above meProof- No
> Voltage reading.
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Alain Sepeda 
> wrote:
>
>> I've worked on EMI detection in paris.
>>
>> first source of Em is 50Hz from house wiring (HV lines are negligible few
>> meters away) because you are inside the loop, or at least nearby.
>>
>> second source is FM radio (very clear in paris, they saturated a 1M$
>> receptor who was fooled a funny way).
>>
>> TV is big too, nearly same frequency as GSM.
>>
>> today your phone is noticeable too, much above GSM antennas.
>>
>> Wifi is absolutely negligible, as bluetooth.
>>
>> note that for the brain the biggest EM sources are ...
>> neurons. when they fire the EM field is the biggest you can imagine
>> inside a biological tissue. really a clinical risk !
>> stop thinking please!
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-30 23:41 GMT+02:00 :
>>
>>> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0700:
>>> Hi,
>>> [snip]
>>> >There is a recent announcement making the rounds this morning - for a
>>> >self-charging battery which is apparently now in production in
>>> Australia,
>>> >for use in a flashlight. Apparently, the inventor thinks he can capture
>>> >Schumann resonance. It would be easy to write this off as fantasy .
>>> except
>>> >for the fact that it is (claimed to be) in actual production.
>>> >
>>> >Curiously it uses nickel ..
>>> >
>>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc
>>> >
>>> >http://trade.adgex.com.au/elfe#tabs-6
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.adgex.com/News/tabid/69/EntryId/2077/NICKEL-CADMIUM-ACCUMULATORS-
>>> >OF-ADGEX-ENERGY.aspx
>>> >
>>> >Who needs a hot-cat if you can get unlimited free energy from a battery?
>>>
>>> I suspect that most of the power comes from the wiring in the home. It's
>>> by far
>>> the strongest form of EM radiation in a house. You only need to touch an
>>> oscilloscope lead to see this.
>>> IOW there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>