RE: [Vo]: Mischegunon polyneutrons at 4.9 Sigma

[Russ George]

Hot out of the liquid helium

http://dx.doi.org/doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.052501. 

Quad neutrons clusters reliably produced   Holy Batman another meaning for 
Pauli exclusion.

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[H LV]

I agree that future technology is not going to save us. We have to rectify
the injustices that exist now.

Kirk reading the constitution.
 "...These words... must apply to everyone or they mean nothing."​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsRo-m9muFE
​

Harry



On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> My God,  military/prison robot applications signal a world rushing
> headlong into a Terminator/Skynet situation.   Ray Kurzweil seems to think
> an Age Of Spiritual Machines awaits us but that looks as naïve as every
> other
>
> hope that technology would save us from war and oppression.   And who’s
> going to be liable for mistakes within the well-developed legal
> boiler-plate for software presently – that basically says, ‘you can’t sue
> us if it doesn’t really work’.
>
>
>
> At one time, there were jokes made about ‘what if cars ran about as well
> as some operating systems’ ( turn off your car and reboot it).  Now, that’s
> exactly where we seem to be headed.
>
>
>
> Automated phone response systems might just as well be run by an autistic
> person with a low IQ.  Websites leave out critical specifics or fail to
> deal with emergencies – exactly what AI should be capable of handling and
> isn’t.
>
> E-mail is a wonderful thing (as here) but customer service types can often
> freely ignore pleas for help without consequence ( my experience).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Axil Axil]

Now that the 1% no longer needs the 99% to fight the wars that protect
their interests, the 99% can be culled to foster optimum efficiency. The
members of the 1% might simply sit in their control rooms and direct the
automated drones both on the ground and in the air to purge the population
that has become problematic. This is the lesson that hybrid war teaches us.

https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-178714284/hybrid-wars

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> My God,  military/prison robot applications signal a world rushing
> headlong into a Terminator/Skynet situation.   Ray Kurzweil seems to think
> an Age Of Spiritual Machines awaits us but that looks as naïve as every
> other
>
> hope that technology would save us from war and oppression.   And who’s
> going to be liable for mistakes within the well-developed legal
> boiler-plate for software presently – that basically says, ‘you can’t sue
> us if it doesn’t really work’.
>
>
>
> At one time, there were jokes made about ‘what if cars ran about as well
> as some operating systems’ ( turn off your car and reboot it).  Now, that’s
> exactly where we seem to be headed.
>
>
>
> Automated phone response systems might just as well be run by an autistic
> person with a low IQ.  Websites leave out critical specifics or fail to
> deal with emergencies – exactly what AI should be capable of handling and
> isn’t.
>
> E-mail is a wonderful thing (as here) but customer service types can often
> freely ignore pleas for help without consequence ( my experience).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Chris Zell]

Sci-fi stories about this subject?  Yeah, there's "I Have No Mouth And I Must 
Scream"."Helen O'loy" was a nicer concept.

If Watson gets used to find a cancer cure, I will be interested to know what 
programming/instructions will tell it to ignore natural substances as 
unprofitable/unpatentable.

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Eric Walker]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

My God,  military/prison robot applications signal a world rushing headlong
> into a Terminator/Skynet situation. Ray Kurzweil seems to think an Age Of
> Spiritual Machines awaits us but that looks as naïve as every other hope
> that technology would save us from war and oppression.


We are quickly heading into an interesting world, where there will be many
unknown consequences.  There could be some interesting sci-fi books written
to explore them.  Some possible developments include:

   - The possibility that anonymity will become effectively impossible.
   Even if a person thinks he's being anonymous, there will be a service you
   can buy, or possibly a free one, that will allow his online activity to be
   traced back to him/her.  So everything one has ever written or posted on a
   site, or sent in an email, will be available there to people willing to pay
   the cost.  People will learn that nothing they do is private and that their
   online reputation will be with them forever, including long after they've
   died.
   - The possibility that crime enforcement will become very efficient.
   Who needs jails if you can just put an ankle monitor around nonviolent
   offenders, and keep a record of their every movement.  This would allow law
   enforcement to trace them back to scenes of known crimes.
   - Small swarms of police drones that will follow suspects from the scene
   of a crime in the making.  Together with bulletproof inventory control for
   stores, people will have a much harder time getting away with petty theft.

An interesting question in this context is how will this kind of
technological change, and in a sense invasiveness, alter society and
culture?

Eric

[Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Chris Zell]

My God,  military/prison robot applications signal a world rushing headlong 
into a Terminator/Skynet situation.   Ray Kurzweil seems to think an Age Of 
Spiritual Machines awaits us but that looks as naïve as every other
hope that technology would save us from war and oppression.   And who's going 
to be liable for mistakes within the well-developed legal boiler-plate for 
software presently - that basically says, 'you can't sue us if it doesn't 
really work'.

At one time, there were jokes made about 'what if cars ran about as well as 
some operating systems' ( turn off your car and reboot it).  Now, that's 
exactly where we seem to be headed.

Automated phone response systems might just as well be run by an autistic 
person with a low IQ.  Websites leave out critical specifics or fail to deal 
with emergencies - exactly what AI should be capable of handling and isn't.
E-mail is a wonderful thing (as here) but customer service types can often 
freely ignore pleas for help without consequence ( my experience).

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Axil Axil]

Cold fusion have been discovered by many people since the time of Tesla,
but all these inventions have gone down the tubes because the inventors
were not able and/or willing to commercialize their invention.

Papp had a great product but he used it as a means to extort money out of
investors to support his confortable florida based lifestyle.

Will Rossi follow this timeworn path?

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:46 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Daniel Rocha,
> That's pathetic.  Who cares if you view Rossi guilty before being proved
> innocent?
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Jed Rothwell]

Chris Zell  wrote:

It’s all well and good to discuss these AI systems as if they nearly
> existed and were practical but I know of no major utility or corporation
> that has an automated answering system that offers much of anything
>
> Beyond frustration and anger.
>

On the other hand, corporate websites are very effective at handling public
inquiries. I think the problem with automated answering systems is that a
voice connection on the telephone is an inherently poor way to gather
information and direct inquiries. Even when you call a human, you still
have difficulty with this medium. A webpage is much better.



> I would add that while I admire work on robotics done in Japan, companies
> such as JVC
>
> and Panasonic can be nearly impossible to deal with (and let’s not ignore
> power and cable companies in the US).  “Watson” they are not!
>

But "Watson" they will be, in the not too distant future. Computer
technology improves rapidly. IBM and others are developing single chip MPP
processors with thousands of processors. By 2014, the Watson computer
physical dimensions had been reduced from the size of a room to the size of
"three pizza boxes" and the speed was 24 times faster than the original.
Something that small is inherently cheap. It is made out of plastic and
silicon, after all. See:

http://gizmodo.com/ibms-watson-is-now-the-size-of-3-pizza-boxes-its-als-1497914636

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[H LV]

​from​

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2016/02/how-i-learnt-stop-worrying-and-love-basic-income

​
How I learnt to stop worrying and love Basic Income

John McDonnell's decision to consider moving to the benefit is the right
one, says Jonathan Reynolds.

​The ​
first time Basic Income was pitched to me I have to admit I thought it
sounded completely unrealistic. An unconditional payment to each
individual, to support their full lives, whether working, studying, caring
or being cared for? I remember sitting in Stalybridge Labour Club with a
beer after a meeting, when my friend Gordon introduced me to the concept.
“How else,” asked Gordon, “will we ensure sufficient support for people as
they have to retrain throughout their working lives - not just for several
different jobs, but for several different careers?”.

Gordon’s question is the right one, and it stuck with me. My outlook on
politics is fundamentally shaped by my experience of growing up in the
North East in the 1980s. The closure of entire industries, like coal and
shipbuilding, had dramatic and fundamental consequences for the areas built
around them. The same is true of the tragic situation in the steel industry
today. I still believe the Thatcher Government’s abject response to
deindustrialisation lies at the heart of many of the problems the UK faces
today, such as low skills, worklessness, poor public health and so on. The
UK spent a fraction of what a country like Sweden spent on education and
retraining as traditional industries declined, and we have suffered the
consequences.

But what should the left’s response be to this sort of seismic economic
change? The traditional response, calling for the nationalisation of
failing industries, doesn’t solve the problem. Running an industry at a
loss because it is subsidised by the taxpayer is not a long-term answer.
Globalisation means it was inevitable that the UK would have to exit some
traditional industries – I wouldn’t fancy bringing back the cotton mills to
Stalybridge, for instance – and education and retraining to take part in
new economic opportunities is the only solution.  But as technology and the
growth of the MINT countries brings ever more economic disruption, as well
as opportunity, we must have a mechanism to provide people with both
security and a platform from which to be able to access these new
opportunities.  Basic Income would do just that. This is the first of my
three justifications for backing it – as a policy to cope with inevitable
but fundamental economic change.

The second justification concerns our existing welfare state.  I have
always been taken aback by the bewildering complexity of our welfare
system. The Child Poverty Action Group Benefits Handbook, which like many
MPs I use to help constituents, is bigger than my copy of the Bible. The
modern evolution of the welfare state – conditionality, sanctions, and
adults being forced to fill in job search diaries as if they were in
primary school – I find unconscionable. I don’t deny there are a small
group of people who do need a kick up the arse. There are also people who
definitely need to access some support to get back into work, especially
with numeracy and literacy.  But why should this be punitive? A system
which sanctions war veterans for selling poppies, or a person for attending
job interview, is both ridiculous and counter-productive.  And that’s
before we consider the fundamental problem of our current benefits system –
how to taper off benefits when someone does return to work to ensure there
is an incentive to work and not a “benefits trap”.

The Government’s answer is universal credit. Having been one of the
pathfinder areas for universal credit, I’m afraid they will be
disappointed. Thanks to George Osborne, universal credit will not now offer
the kind of work incentives it was hoped it would, but the real problem is
that it still cannot cope with the real nature of people’s working lives.
There is not, as much as some Tory MPs would claim there is, a big group of
people who never work and then a larger group who pay their taxes to
support these people. Instead, many people move frequently into and out of
work, because the work they can get is short-term, or insecure, or because
the other responsibilities in their lives cause complications. The benefits
system simply cannot cope with these people, and nothing I have seen
suggests universal credit will be a solution to that. As an example, not
only is universal credit designed to be paid four weeks after a claim is
made (on the huge assumption that everyone is paid monthly in arrears and
so will have four weeks wages to tide them over), if a claim for universal
credit is made too early, and the claimant receives their final pay packet
after lodging the claim, they can wait as much as 11 weeks before receiving
a penny. It is not surprise that foodbanks are booming.  There are also
huge questions regarding conditionality as the nature of 

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Axil Axil]

The military will be leading the way to perfect Robot intelligence. I would
spec a GI robot to track its prey by sensing his DNA profile in the same
way that a bloodhound tracks scent. There should also be a face and body
recognition function as a backup, but some collateral damage would be
incurred where two people look alike. There would be a behavior recognition
function that would select a target based on aggressive or criminal
behavior.

Police robots will be a related program but with a non lethal weapons
capability. All units would be networked and integrated with sensors and
flying drones stationed around the city.

Robot prison guards would be insensitive to inmate provocation and assault
imbued with enough strength to make all resistance to prison rules futile.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> It’s all well and good to discuss these AI systems as if they nearly
> existed and were practical but I know of no major utility or corporation
> that has an automated answering system that offers much of anything
>
> Beyond frustration and anger.  Customers are carefully funneled into
> lengthy choices that often end up in pointless loops in careful avoidance
> of contact with any human intervention. I would add that while I admire
> work on robotics done in Japan, companies such as JVC
>
> and Panasonic can be nearly impossible to deal with (and let’s not ignore
> power and cable companies in the US).  “Watson” they are not!  Email and
> phone numbers of executives often seem to be top secret to avoid
> inconvenient complaints by the public – with their revulsion expressed
>
> towards you openly should you happen to find a way thru the carefully
> designed communication barriers.
>
>
>
> Intelligent robots?  I think there’s a l-o-n-g way to go on this topic.
>  You’re ready to cure cancer while I can’t find out why my cable modem
> isn’t delivering internet or what important changes were made to P2 (video)
> cards.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[a.ashfield]

Daniel Rocha,
That's pathetic.  Who cares if you view Rossi guilty before being proved 
innocent?

Re: [Vo]:the same trend in LENR info. & about its sacred cows

[H LV]

Some of the heat inside the Earth is left over from its formation. The
remaining heat is thought to be generated by radioactive decay, however, I
remember reading somewhere that the actual particle flux due to radioactive
decay is less than what is required. I am not sure if this discrepancy has
been explained yet.

Harry

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:48 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Unless science understands how LENR produces heat inside planets, they
> will be faced with mounting numbers of unsolvable cosmological conundrums.
>
> Scientists shocked to find Mercury has liquid metal core and a magnetic
> field like Earth
> MAY 13, 2015 BY DAN TAYLOR
>
> Scientists shocked to find Mercury has liquid metal core and a magnetic
> field like Earth
>
> NASA's MESSENGER spacecraft smashed into the planet's surface on April 30
> after four years in orbit, but not before sending back some amazing data.
>
> Scientists were floored recently after getting back data from NASA’s
> MESSENGER space probe that showed that Mercury has a core filled with
> sloshing liquid metal, much like Earth — and they’re scratching their heads
> as to how that’s possible.
>
> Mercury had been thought to be too small to have a liquid core, as
> scientists believed the metal would have cooled relatively quickly in its
> history, but the MESSENGER space probe sent back data before slamming into
> the planet on April 30 that indicated that yes, its core still contains
> molten metal, and that metal is creating a magnetic field similar to that
> of Earth, according to a Space.com report.
>
> It’s nowhere near as powerful — scientists estimate that it is 100 times
> weaker than Earth’s. But the findings still surprised scientists who
> thought they would find a solid rock core much like the other rocky planets
> in our solar system. The findings shed new light on the evolution of
> Mercury, the closest planet to the sun and the smallest planet in the solar
> system, and will force scientists to rethink how it developed.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> It has proven for the first time that the deepest part of the lunar
>> mantle is soft, based upon the agreement between observation results and
>> the theoretical calculations.
>> The research team also clarified that heat is efficiently generated by
>> the tides in the soft part, deepest in the mantle.
>>
>> In general, a part of the energy stored inside a celestial body by tidal
>> forces (caused by being pushed and pulled by its partner, in this case
>> Earth, as it orbits) is changed to heat.
>> The heat generation depends on the softness of the interior.
>>
>> Whereas previous research also suggests that some part of the energy
>> inside the moon due to the tidal forces is changed to heat, the present
>> research indicates that this type of energy conversion does not uniformly
>> occur in the entire moon, but only intensively in a soft layer.
>> The research team believes that the soft layer is now warming the core of
>> the moon as the core seems to be wrapped by the layer, which is located in
>> the deepest part of the mantle, and which efficiently generates heat.
>>
>> They also expect that a soft layer like this may efficiently have warmed
>> the core in the past as well.
>>
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2719809/Is-moon-s-core-MOLTEN-Centre-satellite-wrapped-layer-soft-rock-claim-scientists.html#ixzz40SvO0v6m
>>
>>
>> The moon's core could well be heated by cold fusion. The assumptions made
>> about the moons molten core sound far fetched. A soft layer would not has
>> formed when the moon cooled. All less dense stuff would have risen upward
>> during the cooling process.
>>
>> Without cold fusion science does not make sense.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Peter Gluck 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Good surprises are necessary.
>>>
>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-17-2016-lenr-sacred-cow-candidates.html
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Peter
>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>>> Cluj, Romania
>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>

[Vo]:Intelligent Robots??

[Chris Zell]

It's all well and good to discuss these AI systems as if they nearly existed 
and were practical but I know of no major utility or corporation that has an 
automated answering system that offers much of anything
Beyond frustration and anger.  Customers are carefully funneled into lengthy 
choices that often end up in pointless loops in careful avoidance of contact 
with any human intervention. I would add that while I admire work on robotics 
done in Japan, companies such as JVC
and Panasonic can be nearly impossible to deal with (and let's not ignore power 
and cable companies in the US).  "Watson" they are not!  Email and phone 
numbers of executives often seem to be top secret to avoid inconvenient 
complaints by the public - with their revulsion expressed
towards you openly should you happen to find a way thru the carefully designed 
communication barriers.

Intelligent robots?  I think there's a l-o-n-g way to go on this topic.   
You're ready to cure cancer while I can't find out why my cable modem isn't 
delivering internet or what important changes were made to P2 (video) cards.

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Daniel Rocha]

I think it is practical to assume that Rossi will never come up with
anything. I mean practical because:

1.We won't waste time reading his stuff, unless he releases anything, and
think for ourselves
2.He may not be able to release anything, due a large number of reasons,
even excluding completely that he is luring people and investors. Or even
that he is self deception.
3.Not filling his ego may help him come up with something anyway.

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[a.ashfield]

Rossi says the report will take about a month and there will be no 
furthers news given until the independent report is published (available?)


He seems to be concentrating on the E-Cat X now and says he hopes there 
will be an industrial version in operation at a customer this year.  He 
says they have already started construction.

[Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!

[Peter Gluck]

We will learn interesting things, slowly

Let's keep each other updated.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-18-2016-lenr-just-info-this-time.html

Do not forget, there is life and news in LENR beyond Rossi  too.

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:LGE Antigravity Drone-with Camera-Non-Balloon!

[David Roberson]

Plenty of reason to be skeptical of this one.

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ron Kita 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2016 5:22 pm
Subject: [Vo]:LGE Antigravity Drone-with Camera-Non-Balloon!




Greetings Vortex,


Not sure  of the accuracy of the LGE Antigravity Drone.

BUT specs IF true...3 pounds and 10 inches in diameternot a balloon:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/antigravity-drone-lge-first-in-the-world#/


Ron Kita, Chiralex