Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Axil Axil]

It seems to me, conditioning of the magnetic billet is a process that
detects the critical transition point between random spin motion and
coherent spin motion. Each billet has a unique point at which this
transition occurs. No two billets are the same in this regard because the
crystal imperfections in the magnetic domains are random in each particular
billet. The conditioning process will locate the voltage and current levels
at which this critical transition point occurs.

After this critical point has been determined, the voltage and current is
set at those  exact values that were discovered during conditioning.

Maximum magnetic flux change occurs at this critical transition point as
the small input signal pushes the billet into and out of maximum
magnetization.  The large changes in flux that occurs through this change
in magnetization state will move electrons in the output coil that
surrounds the billet.

It seems like Sweet uses a DC current in the conditioning magnetic coil to
find the resonant condition critical point. Then he uses a 60 Hz AC current
to impress that magnetic state onto the billet.

Conditioning only produces a small change in the magnetization of the
billet. Bringing the unmagnetized billet to maximum magnetization requires
thousands of amps and volts in a high powered pulse.

At 43:42 of this video below, a bullet is made to induce vibration in a
piece of metal. Sweet did not use a high current/voltage high powered pulse
to "condition" the billet. Unlike Sweet, MANELAS used trial and error
methods to detect the critical transition state where the billet would gain
and then lose magnetization which produced vibration in the metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBdvTrmHyY

Sweet and MANELAS did conditioning of the magnets differently.

MANELAS must have found the critical point on his single billet through
trial and error by adjusting the pulsed current/frequency until he got to
resonance. Maybe MANELAS could not get the Sweet conditioning method to
work. It seems like the Sweet system is more efficient and powerful  than
the MANELAS system is.

At the end of the video, Sweet impressed the critical magnetization
 condition on his entire two magnet configuration.

There is a lot yet to be learned here. Any criticism of this thinking is
much appreciated.


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> No!  Those magnets are not suitable. The ferrite needs to  have labile
> molecular orbitals that will allow changes between ferromagnetic and random
> spins.
>
> The interaction between phonons and magnons can be controlled by external
> inputs.
>
> --
> *From:* MJ 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:08 PM
>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
>
>
> Would it be the same if I glue together side-by-side nine squared
> magnets but reversing the one at the center?
>
> Mark Jordan
>
>
> On 22-Feb-17 17:40, Brian Ahern wrote:
>
> Imagine placing 4 - 50 cent coins at each corner. Then place one  in the
> center.
>
>
> Starting with an annealed billet one can impress these fields with a
> cylinder of NdFeB magnet.  You just reverse the polarity for the center.
>
>
> This process is called 'conditioning'.  That is the condition for the
> billet that worked for two years.
>
>
> Another salient feature.   The Manelas device was powering batteries for
> his house. He had 48 lithium ion batteries  accepting pulses from his unit.
> On a Sunday morning in April 2012 he called me to say his battery pack
> spontaneously over charged and several of the batteries 'pillowed'.
>
> It happend between midnight and 6 AM. I visited him that day and confirmed
> that all the batteries were overcharged.
>
> I observed the same charging effect in July 2014 with the Manelas
> system.in my home lab.
> --
> *From:* Bob Higgins  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:22 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
>
> Brian,
>
> You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".
> Can you explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each
> of the 4 corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of
> the coils wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a
> plus?  Then is the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?
>
> A diagram would be great.
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
>
>> I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the
>> suggested length of wire (170 feet).
>>
>> I welcome any suggestions and directions.
>>
>> I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with
>> high voltage pulsed systems.
>>
>> I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we
>> 

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

No!  Those magnets are not suitable. The ferrite needs to  have labile 
molecular orbitals that will allow changes between ferromagnetic and random 
spins.

The interaction between phonons and magnons can be controlled by external 
inputs.


From: MJ 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon


Would it be the same if I glue together side-by-side nine squared magnets 
but reversing the one at the center?

Mark Jordan


On 22-Feb-17 17:40, Brian Ahern wrote:

Imagine placing 4 - 50 cent coins at each corner. Then place one  in the center.


Starting with an annealed billet one can impress these fields with a cylinder 
of NdFeB magnet.  You just reverse the polarity for the center.


This process is called 'conditioning'.  That is the condition for the billet 
that worked for two years.


Another salient feature.   The Manelas device was powering batteries for his 
house. He had 48 lithium ion batteries  accepting pulses from his unit. On a 
Sunday morning in April 2012 he called me to say his battery pack spontaneously 
over charged and several of the batteries 'pillowed'.

It happend between midnight and 6 AM. I visited him that day and confirmed that 
all the batteries were overcharged.

I observed the same charging effect in July 2014 with the Manelas system.in my 
home lab.


From: Bob Higgins 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Brian,

You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".  Can you 
explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each of the 4 
corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of the coils 
wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a plus?  Then is 
the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?

A diagram would be great.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the suggested 
length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.

I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with high 
voltage pulsed systems.

I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were not 
fooled. I just do not know how to proceed

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

Manelas worked along lines established by Sweet



From: Chris Zell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon


http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm

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...
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3 or 4 entries at Rex describe the Sweet device and it sounds very much alike…… 
orthogonal coils and all.  He did claim that strontium ferrite was unsuitable 
(!!?) and barium ferrite is preferred.



From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon



Brian,

You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".  Can you 
explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each of the 4 
corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of the coils 
wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a plus?  Then is 
the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?

A diagram would be great.



Bob



On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the suggested 
length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.

I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with high 
voltage pulsed systems.

I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were not 
fooled. I just do not know how to proceed

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Axil Axil]

If you have the time, this video explains how the cooling occurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPd9vYvJoH0=1s

With the additional info provided by Brian Ahern upthread, my best guess
now is that magnetic flux produces electron movement. These changes in the
magnetic field produced by the magnetic billet are induced by the magnetic
flux change produced when the input current flows through the input coil.

What I would like to know is what coils of the three coils are the input
and output coils.

The random motion of the magnetic domains in the crystal structure of the
billet due to both the uncertainty principle and thermal movement of
magnetic domains might be where excess magnetic flux is coming from. This
input magnetic flux might induce that "magnetic noise" to increase.

Just by flipping a few spins on the outside edge of the billet using the
weak input magnetic flux might produce and avalanche of spin movement
throughout the billet in many surrounding spins throughout the billet.

The key to producing more output than input is to adjust the input to the
minimum amount necessary to produce an increase in magnetic noise from the
billet.

How the three coils are layered: first applied, then second, then finally
third would be nice to know.

My guess is the the coil applied to the edge would be the input coil. The
output coils are the length and width coils. The output coils would be full
wave rectified.

If magnetic amplification is coming from spin flipping, then using separate
magnets might not work since the spin flipping would encounter
discontinuity going from one magnet to another. The avalanche would stop at
the edge of each individual magnet.

Here is a image of how a slight disturbance in a spin wave can produce lots
of magnetic flux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St4ykzFYJts

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:22 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Brian,
>
> That is the most interesting characteristic to me as well.  It seems
> logical that if the outside surface is cooler than the ambient that heat
> energy must be entering the Billet.  Where this energy goes is the main
> question I would like to see answered.  Of course we realize that energy is
> also entering the Billet and surrounding components from the external
> battery via the drive pulses.
>
> Apparently, you are an eye witness to the observation that an electric
> light is illuminated and the battery is receiving charge for an extended
> period of time.  This observation implies that energy is coming from some
> source while the device is in operation.  The obvious first guess is that
> heat energy is extracted from the ambient region and converted into
> electrical energy.
>
> We should not be willing to give up on the thermodynamic laws too readily
> however.  Keeping that thought, one might believe that a magnetic form of
> heat pump is taking place, except it is not clear where the pumped heat is
> being exhausted, while there appears to be electrical energy generated.
> Magnetic refrigeration has been around for a while and it is actually a
> form of heat pumping.  And, magnetic refrigeration obeys the thermodynamic
> laws.
>
> So Brian, did you notice any portion of the Billet and surrounding
> materials becoming warmer than the ambient?  If not, you have a really
> interesting phenomena to pursue.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Ahern 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2017 3:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
>
> The magnetocaloric cooling keeps my interest high.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Chris Zell 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:39 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
>
>
> I swear to God if I ever stumble into anything overunity, I’m gonna
> rectify the bejeezus out of it.  Pure DC in and pure DC out, none of this
> apparent power crap.
> Magnetic amps bring up Bearden’s MEG – which I don’t think ever worked. I
> suspect its output was apparent and not real, as above.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Chris Zell]

Anyone who manages to pull net energy from ambient and latent heat has 
encountered heresy (gasp !)

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[David Roberson]

Brian,

That is the most interesting characteristic to me as well.  It seems logical 
that if the outside surface is cooler than the ambient that heat energy must be 
entering the Billet.  Where this energy goes is the main question I would like 
to see answered.  Of course we realize that energy is also entering the Billet 
and surrounding components from the external battery via the drive pulses.

Apparently, you are an eye witness to the observation that an electric light is 
illuminated and the battery is receiving charge for an extended period of time. 
 This observation implies that energy is coming from some source while the 
device is in operation.  The obvious first guess is that heat energy is 
extracted from the ambient region and converted into electrical energy.

We should not be willing to give up on the thermodynamic laws too readily 
however.  Keeping that thought, one might believe that a magnetic form of heat 
pump is taking place, except it is not clear where the pumped heat is being 
exhausted, while there appears to be electrical energy generated.  Magnetic 
refrigeration has been around for a while and it is actually a form of heat 
pumping.  And, magnetic refrigeration obeys the thermodynamic laws.

So Brian, did you notice any portion of the Billet and surrounding materials 
becoming warmer than the ambient?  If not, you have a really interesting 
phenomena to pursue.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Ahern 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2017 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon



The magnetocaloric cooling keeps my interest high.



From: Chris Zell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
 






I swear to God if I ever stumble into anything overunity, I’m gonna rectify the 
bejeezus out of it.  Pure DC in and pure DC out, none of this apparent power 
crap.
Magnetic amps bring up Bearden’s MEG – which I don’t think ever worked. I 
suspect its output was apparent and not real, as above.

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[MJ]

Would it be the same if I glue together side-by-side nine squared 
magnets but reversing the one at the center?


Mark Jordan


On 22-Feb-17 17:40, Brian Ahern wrote:


Imagine placing 4 - 50 cent coins at each corner. Then place one  in 
the center.



Starting with an annealed billet one can impress these fields with a 
cylinder of NdFeB magnet.  You just reverse the polarity for the center.



This process is called 'conditioning'.  That is the condition for the 
billet that worked for two years.



Another salient feature.   The Manelas device was powering batteries 
for his house. He had 48 lithium ion batteries  accepting pulses from 
his unit. On a Sunday morning in April 2012 he called me to say his 
battery pack spontaneously over charged and several of the batteries 
'pillowed'.


It happend between midnight and 6 AM. I visited him that day 
and confirmed that all the batteries were overcharged.


I observed the same charging effect in July 2014 with the Manelas 
system.in my home lab.



*From:* Bob Higgins 
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:22 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon
Brian,

You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 
1".  Can you explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north 
pole" at each of the 4 corners with a common center south pole in the 
center?  Are 2 of the coils wrapped around the block like wrapping a 
box with ribbon in a plus?  Then is the third coil wrapped around the 
1" wide circumference?


A diagram would be great.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern > wrote:


I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the
suggested length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.

I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant
experience with high voltage pulsed systems.

I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that
we were not fooled. I just do not know how to proceed

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Chris Zell]

http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet3/sweet3.htm

3 or 4 entries at Rex describe the Sweet device and it sounds very much alike…… 
orthogonal coils and all.  He did claim that strontium ferrite was unsuitable 
(!!?) and barium ferrite is preferred.

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Brian,
You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".  Can you 
explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each of the 4 
corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of the coils 
wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a plus?  Then is 
the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?
A diagram would be great.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the suggested 
length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.

I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with high 
voltage pulsed systems.

I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were not 
fooled. I just do not know how to proceed

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

Imagine placing 4 - 50 cent coins at each corner. Then place one  in the center.


Starting with an annealed billet one can impress these fields with a cylinder 
of NdFeB magnet.  You just reverse the polarity for the center.


This process is called 'conditioning'.  That is the condition for the billet 
that worked for two years.


Another salient feature.   The Manelas device was powering batteries for his 
house. He had 48 lithium ion batteries  accepting pulses from his unit. On a 
Sunday morning in April 2012 he called me to say his battery pack spontaneously 
over charged and several of the batteries 'pillowed'.

It happend between midnight and 6 AM. I visited him that day and confirmed that 
all the batteries were overcharged.

I observed the same charging effect in July 2014 with the Manelas system.in my 
home lab.


From: Bob Higgins 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Brian,

You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".  Can you 
explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each of the 4 
corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of the coils 
wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a plus?  Then is 
the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?

A diagram would be great.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the suggested 
length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.

I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with high 
voltage pulsed systems.

I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were not 
fooled. I just do not know how to proceed

[Vo]:the architect could not build sa fake bridge

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/02/feb-22-2017-architect-could-not-build.html


peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Bob Higgins]

Brian,

You previously said that the strontium ferrite block was 4" x 6" x 1".  Can
you explain how the 3 coils are wound to produce a "north pole" at each of
the 4 corners with a common center south pole in the center?  Are 2 of the
coils wrapped around the block like wrapping a box with ribbon in a plus?
Then is the third coil wrapped around the 1" wide circumference?

A diagram would be great.

Bob

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the
> suggested length of wire (170 feet).
>
> I welcome any suggestions and directions.
>
> I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with
> high voltage pulsed systems.
>
> I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were
> not fooled. I just do not know how to proceed
>

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

The magnetocaloric cooling keeps my interest high.



From: Chris Zell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon


I swear to God if I ever stumble into anything overunity, I’m gonna rectify the 
bejeezus out of it.  Pure DC in and pure DC out, none of this apparent power 
crap.

Magnetic amps bring up Bearden’s MEG – which I don’t think ever worked. I 
suspect its output was apparent and not real, as above.

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

I have the original billet and all three axises are wound with the suggested 
length of wire (170 feet).

I welcome any suggestions and directions.


I am not skilled with AC circuits, but I have significant experience with high 
voltage pulsed systems.


I will take it to my grave that the Manelas system worked and that we were not 
fooled. I just do not know how to proceed.



From: Bob Higgins 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

There is a class of devices known as "magnetic amplifiers" that were used in 
the 40's and 50's as a reliable means of power control before the transistor 
became available.  Somewhere I think I have a book or report on how these 
devices were designed and used.  This device relied on the nonlinear B-H 
characteristic of the magnetic core and was able to use a small DC current to 
control a much larger AC current.  Here is a Wikipedia link for magnetic 
amplifiers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier
Magnetic amplifier - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The magnetic amplifier (colloquially known as a "mag amp") is an 
electromagnetic device for amplifying electrical signals. The magnetic 
amplifier was invented early ...




The Manelas device may have created an over-unity magnetic amplifier effect.  
Where the energy for over-unity comes from is, as Brian suggests, completely 
open.  It could be some kind of coupling to the ZPE.  For those of us who 
believe that Don Hotson had it right in his description of the epo ether (based 
on solution to Dirac's equation), the magnetic field may provide a means to 
couple to the Dirac sea ether.  This ether is also coupled to everything else, 
including the Earth, and sun.  Perhaps the Manelas device is coupling energy 
out of the Earth's rotation or revolution around the sun - who knows.

If Brian has witnessed clear over-unity behavior, it sounds like a phenomenon 
worth investigation.  But... we have to be careful.  I had a lab technician 
declare that the L-C matching circuit he was working on had produced 
over-unity, when in fact, it only had voltage gain and no power gain (actually 
a small loss).  It sounds from Brian's description of energy being taken out 
continuously for a long period of time that actual power gain was observed.

Bob Higgins

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

I think we LENRers have too many preconceptions about the mechanism. I am 
admittedly clueless.

The large billet with its conditioned fields seems to be the central item. 
There were three sets of orthoganol windings. Presumably a signal was admitted 
to one or two of them and amplified power  coming from the third winding.

It is acting as a transformer that is extracting energy from the magnetic 
interactions.

[Vo]:Re: Amazon Appstore – Parrot Teacher is Published

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here is a short video clip.  It will appear with the release of the Amazon 
version on Friday.
All testing problems appear to have been resolved.




www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/backups/ParrotTeacher/video_clip.mp4






Parrot Teacher is published in the translatable form.






https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.znidarsic_parrot_talk.parrottalk




Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Fwd: Amazon Appstore – Parrot Teacher is Published

[Frank Znidarsic]

Parrot Teacher is published in the translatable form.






https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.znidarsic_parrot_talk.parrottalk




Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Chris Zell]

I swear to God if I ever stumble into anything overunity, I’m gonna rectify the 
bejeezus out of it.  Pure DC in and pure DC out, none of this apparent power 
crap.

Magnetic amps bring up Bearden’s MEG – which I don’t think ever worked. I 
suspect its output was apparent and not real, as above.

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Bob Higgins]

There is a class of devices known as "magnetic amplifiers" that were used
in the 40's and 50's as a reliable means of power control before the
transistor became available.  Somewhere I think I have a book or report on
how these devices were designed and used.  This device relied on the
nonlinear B-H characteristic of the magnetic core and was able to use a
small DC current to control a much larger AC current.  Here is a Wikipedia
link for magnetic amplifiers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier

The Manelas device may have created an over-unity magnetic amplifier
effect.  Where the energy for over-unity comes from is, as Brian suggests,
completely open.  It could be some kind of coupling to the ZPE.  For those
of us who believe that Don Hotson had it right in his description of the
epo ether (based on solution to Dirac's equation), the magnetic field may
provide a means to couple to the Dirac sea ether.  This ether is also
coupled to everything else, including the Earth, and sun.  Perhaps the
Manelas device is coupling energy out of the Earth's rotation or revolution
around the sun - who knows.

If Brian has witnessed clear over-unity behavior, it sounds like a
phenomenon worth investigation.  But... we have to be careful.  I had a lab
technician declare that the L-C matching circuit he was working on had
produced over-unity, when in fact, it only had voltage gain and no power
gain (actually a small loss).  It sounds from Brian's description of energy
being taken out continuously for a long period of time that actual power
gain was observed.

Bob Higgins

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> I think we LENRers have too many preconceptions about the mechanism. I am
> admittedly clueless.
>
> The large billet with its conditioned fields seems to be the central item.
> There were three sets of orthoganol windings. Presumably a signal was
> admitted to one or two of them and amplified power  coming from the third
> winding.
>
> It is acting as a transformer that is extracting energy from the magnetic
> interactions.
>

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Chris Zell]

As a huge brainstorming leap here ( and I confess I may not fully 
understand concepts such as a Bose Condensate, for example)

Is it possible that such devices are an imitation of something in the quantum 
world but momentarily existing in macro reality?  A sort of 'full scale' atom 
or spinning particle that interacts with zpe exchange?But that, too would 
not be orthodoxy as to conservation.

The orthogonal coils sound straight out of the Sweet device.

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

I think we LENRers have too many preconceptions about the mechanism. I am 
admittedly clueless.


The large billet with its conditioned fields seems to be the central item. 
There were three sets of orthoganol windings. Presumably a signal was admitted 
to one or two of them and amplified power  coming from the third winding.


It is acting as a transformer that is extracting energy from the magnetic 
interactions.



From: Chris Zell 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon


I think we are approaching the critical point here -and if there is no 
remainder of a transmuted element or production of particles in use, then what 
are we left with?  Sounds like Sherlock Holmes observation about ‘whatever 
remains, however incredible, must be true”.



I would think that the lifespan of a magnetized structure with opposing fields 
forced on it would be limited ( if all south poles met in the middle).







>From what Brian Ahern said, the magnetic billet he used ran out of energy 
>after two years. If this depletion is the case, then there must be some 
>consumable involved in the power production process. It is my belief that 
>there is a single cause for LENR. This cause involves transmutation and the 
>resultant transfer of energy from the nucleus during the LENR reaction.



The whole cloth production of electrons in these various LENR systems must be 
caused by the release of mesons from the nucleus.



Brian Ahern should test a small piece of this magnetic billet to see if he can 
detect any transmutation that has occurred in it.



On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Chris Zell 
> wrote:

When all is said and done, wouldn’t it be true that there is a choice as to 
considering the primary source of these energies?  Either you are removing 
energy primarily from nuclei – and thereby transmuting them into something else 
(which preserves energy conservation/TD)



Or you’re removing energy primarily from electron spins or orbits – without 
transmutation of the nuclei – and that contradicts conservation/TD.

I don’t see how this gain would be otherwise – and if derived from spin or 
orbit, then non-rotary energy as jitter/ZPE would be eliminated as the source.  
An exception to TD and such if therein………

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Chris Zell]

I think we are approaching the critical point here -and if there is no 
remainder of a transmuted element or production of particles in use, then what 
are we left with?  Sounds like Sherlock Holmes observation about ‘whatever 
remains, however incredible, must be true”.

I would think that the lifespan of a magnetized structure with opposing fields 
forced on it would be limited ( if all south poles met in the middle).



From what Brian Ahern said, the magnetic billet he used ran out of energy after 
two years. If this depletion is the case, then there must be some consumable 
involved in the power production process. It is my belief that there is a 
single cause for LENR. This cause involves transmutation and the resultant 
transfer of energy from the nucleus during the LENR reaction.

The whole cloth production of electrons in these various LENR systems must be 
caused by the release of mesons from the nucleus.

Brian Ahern should test a small piece of this magnetic billet to see if he can 
detect any transmutation that has occurred in it.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Chris Zell 
> wrote:
When all is said and done, wouldn’t it be true that there is a choice as to 
considering the primary source of these energies?  Either you are removing 
energy primarily from nuclei – and thereby transmuting them into something else 
(which preserves energy conservation/TD)

Or you’re removing energy primarily from electron spins or orbits – without 
transmutation of the nuclei – and that contradicts conservation/TD.
I don’t see how this gain would be otherwise – and if derived from spin or 
orbit, then non-rotary energy as jitter/ZPE would be eliminated as the source.  
An exception to TD and such if therein………