Re: [Vo]:Updated Gordon, F. Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:22:58 -0500: Hi, [snip] >With regard to the possibility that the LEC is a battery: A LEC has many >similarities to a battery and we debated calling it a Hydrogen Ion Battery >but a LEC is much more. A battery is basically two electrodes of different >work function where metal ions are transported by well known chemical >reactions through a liquid electrolyte in between the electrodes. Not always. There are "dry-cells" (not really very dry), and also cells with a solid electrolyte. >The LEC >does not have a liquid electrolyte and a LEC produces and transports gas >ions. A battery is also a voltage source and a LEC acts like a current >source. The output of a battery does not increase with temperature. A LEC >has similarities with a nuclear or atomic battery without the hazardous >radiation and they don't increase output with temperature. We settled on >calling it a LEC, Transporting gas ions may well result in a cell that has a high internal resistance. This may well explain why it acts as current source rather than a voltage source, depending on the resistance of the load compared to that of the internal resistance. In order to know that the device acts as a current source, one would need to measure the current. Current measurements are usually made with devices that deliberately have a low internal resistance, so as not to influence the measurement. [snip]
Re: [Vo]:Updated Gordon, F. Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)
I asked Frank to address this issue of batteries. He posted a reply at LENR-Forum, as follows: https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6508-frank-gordon-s-lattice-energy-converter-lec-replicators-workshop/?postID=151256#post151256 With regard to the possibility that the LEC is a battery: A LEC has many similarities to a battery and we debated calling it a Hydrogen Ion Battery but a LEC is much more. A battery is basically two electrodes of different work function where metal ions are transported by well known chemical reactions through a liquid electrolyte in between the electrodes. The LEC does not have a liquid electrolyte and a LEC produces and transports gas ions. A battery is also a voltage source and a LEC acts like a current source. The output of a battery does not increase with temperature. A LEC has similarities with a nuclear or atomic battery without the hazardous radiation and they don't increase output with temperature. We settled on calling it a LEC, I'm working on a more detailed description but that will take some time. I reviewed the description that Pam Boss wrote for the Galileo project that Steve Krivit organize several years ago. It contained a lot more detail that a high school student with minimal knowledge of electronics or chemistry would need. The only guidance that I provided to Jean-Paul Biberian was to send the cell diagram. As I included in the presentation, he tried a rod of Pd-Ag alloy and it didn't work. I suggested that he needed to codeposit some Pd onto the rod to make sure it had vacancies that codeposition is know to produce. He did that and it worked. Jean-Paul is very experienced and knowledgeable. In the case of Andrew Erickson, he was new to the field but had some technical knowledge. I sent him the drawing a description that is in the presentation and talked to him a couple times and he produced a successful active working electrode. I presume that most of the people in this forum are somewhere between Jean-Paul and Andrew in experience and knowledge so hopefully the information that I supplied on codeposition will be enough. If anyone is having trouble based on that description or has specific questions, please let me know. I would also like to know when people try to replicate and if they were successful or not. Based on the issues/problems in replicating the results, I can be sure to address those in the detailed description.
[Vo]:Muons in the News
This extremely expensive research could eventually affect LENR, unbeknownst to almost everyone... ... assuming that Holmlid's theory is at least partially correct. Many of us had hoped to see a ray of progress from Norront by now. AFAIK there has been nothing from them of great importance. Maybe they got the laser frequency wrong? However, the idea that the laser frequency is the factor that makes all the difference was not even promoted by Holmlid so it could be a red herring. BTW "what's the frequency, Kenneth?" The cloak-and-dagger tale behind this year’s most anticipated result in particle physics | | | | | | | | | | | The cloak-and-dagger tale behind this year’s most anticipated result in ... Locked cabinets, a secret frequency, and the curious magnetism of a particle called the muon | | |
