Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[Terry Blanton]

I tend to agree that the mRNA vaccines are not proven safe and effective
and likely contribute to an increased rate of mutation.  But I think you
have less to worry about with an adenovirus vectored vaccine.  We have 50
yrs of experience with the latter.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 9:08 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
>
> Obviously not!
>
> The Moderna patent/spin-off  is a fact the US contribution can be seen in
> the Fauci e-mails - sorry all facts. and open since one year at least...
>
> The virus has been planted several times also once in USA (Oregon) or
> Italy (3 places)  ahead of Wuhan. The pandemic plot has been trained around
> 2017. I have the official white paper written by a famous US think tank.
>
> But may be its better/more save for most to read NYT, the W-Post or other
> crap info sources like UK's BBC, CNN, FAZ, Figaro, NZZ...
>
> J.W.
> On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote:

You're kidding, right?



Obviously not!

The Moderna patent/spin-off  is a fact the US contribution can be seen 
in the Fauci e-mails - sorry all facts. and open since one year at least...


The virus has been planted several times also once in USA (Oregon) or 
Italy (3 places)  ahead of Wuhan. The pandemic plot has been trained 
around 2017. I have the official white paper written by a famous US 
think tank.


But may be its better/more save for most to read NYT, the W-Post or 
other crap info sources like UK's BBC, CNN, FAZ, Figaro, NZZ...


J.W.

On 05.01.2023 02:53, Terry Blanton wrote:

You're kidding, right?


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[Terry Blanton]

You're kidding, right?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 8:40 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> The western Oligarchs got a free CoV-19 check of about 1000'000'000'000 $
> just by brain damaging population manipulation through all news channels.
>
>
> The US military (free masons) were the driving force behind the military
> gain of research (Fort Detrick). The military spin off Moderna submitted
> the first CoV-19 spike patent 2016 (hidden by national security) so the
> true war here was against the population.
>
>
> The eastern Oligarchs (including most Israel ones that had no Pfizer
> shares) did ask for a compensation and it was obvious to hunt the fat goose
> right over the boarder
>
>
> The rest has been caused by Vodka and the jet-sex live of Russian generals
> that meant nukes are cocks to help force the rape
>
>
> So its all a game. 2 RNA shots and you will die 15% earlier than expected
> - in average. So enjoy your live and hope the CoV-19 war is over.
>
>
>
> For the Americans among the list- The real US death count from CoV-19 is
> just 5% of the official figures. If you analyses the official US mortality
> data even this seems to be to high after the first 2020 wave. So stay off
> any boosters if you want to enjoy your live and buy some drugs like
> Ivermectin to early stop an infection. Prepare yourself with V-D3
> (5000IU/day) +K2 200ug). It's all about sun the easier way to get it. A
> Swedish study did show that enough sun prolongates your live by 30%
> compared to the cave mans...
>
>
> J.W.
>
>
> On 04.01.2023 17:15, ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
>
> You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when you
> say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as
> well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war ..." -
> Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were not going to
> negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to take action.
>
> -- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene" 
>  To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
>   Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At
> 13:48 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
> There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted
> Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore
> never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.
> They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would
> have been easier to hide.
> This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The
> Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they
> were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain. At any
> rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a
> deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in private
> hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland.
> Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His
> bluster is directed at NATO.
> Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original
> processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several
> "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area
> is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been
> promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material.
> If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians
> - they would already have been toast by now.
> Terry Blanton wrote:
> Regretfully, I agree.
> ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
>
> Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia,
> hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was
> seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for
> Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has
> nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than recognised
>
> -- Original Message -- From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous
> New Year
>
> I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin
> that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still
> is working IMHO/
>
> I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2
> CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
>
> FRC
>
> -
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
> *From: *Jones Beene  *Sent: *Saturday, December 31,
> 2022 5:39 PM *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An
> ominous New Year
>
> Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.
>
> We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the
> recent past.
>
> The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in
> Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years
> ago. The Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.
>

Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

The western Oligarchs got a free CoV-19 check of about 1000'000'000'000 
$ just by brain damaging population manipulation through all news channels.



The US military (free masons) were the driving force behind the military 
gain of research (Fort Detrick). The military spin off Moderna submitted 
the first CoV-19 spike patent 2016 (hidden by national security) so the 
true war here was against the population.



The eastern Oligarchs (including most Israel ones that had no Pfizer 
shares) did ask for a compensation and it was obvious to hunt the fat 
goose right over the boarder



The rest has been caused by Vodka and the jet-sex live of Russian 
generals that meant nukes are cocks to help force the rape



So its all a game. 2 RNA shots and you will die 15% earlier than 
expected - in average. So enjoy your live and hope the CoV-19 war is over.




For the Americans among the list- The real US death count from CoV-19 is 
just 5% of the official figures. If you analyses the official US 
mortality data even this seems to be to high after the first 2020 wave. 
So stay off any boosters if you want to enjoy your live and buy some 
drugs like Ivermectin to early stop an infection. Prepare yourself with 
V-D3 (5000IU/day) +K2 200ug). It's all about sun the easier way to get 
it. A Swedish study did show that enough sun prolongates your live by 
30% compared to the cave mans...



J.W.


On 04.01.2023 17:15, ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when 
you say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the 
USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold 
war ..." - Supposedly from his point-of-view -> Ukraine and West were 
not going to negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to 
take action.


-- Original Message -- From: "Jones Beene"
 To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
 Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 13:48 Subject:
Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never
trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history -
and therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.
They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which
would have been easier to hide.
This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The
Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before
Zelenskyy they were corrupt so another motivation could have been
financial gain. At any rate they would surely have kept enough
fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also --- some or all
of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring
country such as Poland.
Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy.
His bluster is directed at NATO.
Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the
original processing plants going back to the cold war when there
were several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may
explain why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner
group ... which has likely been promised billions of Euros to
retrieve the material.
If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the
Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now.
Terry Blanton wrote:
Regretfully, I agree.
ROGER ANDERTON wrote:

Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements
with Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access
to nukes - and that was seen as breaking agreements with
Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e
deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then
they broke agreement much earlier than recognised

-- Original Message -- From:
"bobcook39...@hotmail.com"  To:
"vortex-l@eskimo.com"  Sent:
Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09 Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An
ominous New Year

I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia
to remind Putin that they are not the onley onrs with
tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is working IMHO/

I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 %
WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR
THE RUSSIAN NAVY.

FRC

-

Sent from Mail
 for Windows

*From: *Jones Beene  *Sent:
*Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM *To:
*vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An
ominous New Year

Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.

We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as
Russia in the recent past.

The new twist 

Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[ROGER ANDERTON]

You are pointing out more reasons why Putin/Russia feel provoked when 
you say things like - "Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the 
USA as well as the original processing plants going back to the cold war 
..."  - Supposedly from his point-of-view ->  Ukraine and West were not 
going to negiotate with him about such things and so was forced to take 
action.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jones Beene" 
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 13:48
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year



There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never 
trusted Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and 
therefore never gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.



They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would 
have been easier to hide.



This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The 
Ukrainians are not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy 
they were corrupt so another motivation could have been financial gain. 
At any rate they would surely have kept enough fissile material to serve 
as a deterrent, but also --- some or all of that material may be in 
private hands maybe in a neighboring country such as Poland.



Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His 
bluster is directed at NATO.



Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the 
original processing plants going back to the cold war when there were 
several "secret cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain 
why that area is the center of attention of the Wagner group ... which 
has likely been promised billions of Euros to retrieve the material.




If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the 
Ukrainians - they would already have been toast by now.







 Terry Blanton wrote:




Regretfully, I agree.


ROGER ANDERTON wrote:


Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with 
Russia, hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and 
that was seen as breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the 
reasons for Putin's invasion - i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If 
Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke agreement much earlier than 
recognised





-- Original Message --
From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com  " 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> >
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com  " 
mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >

Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09
Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year


I AGREE WITH  JONES;  Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind 
Putin that they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs.  MAD  is 
alive ane still is working IMHO/


I see a trues in the new  YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 
CRUSIER AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.


FRC

-

Sent from  Mail   for 
Windows



From: Jones Beene 
 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year




Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.





We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the 
recent past.






The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in 
Ukraine decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years 
ago. The Russian equivalent  to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.






The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the 
hands of non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda 
which is not aligned with NATO/USA  ??






This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset








Terry Blanton wrote:













The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new 
story.  I'm  sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. 
If NEST hasn't  found them by now, well...






Jones Beene wrote:




Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ?





Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over 
everything. Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so 
long as a nuclear  option exists.






Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one 
hidden possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten 
Cold War) - and  now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe 
news. See the video below on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we 
have lost track of...






It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to 
control of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would 
arguably have mollified  or eliminated, if the technology had been 
adequately researched back in the early 1990s






The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world 
with adequate energy beyond 

Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

[Jones Beene]

 There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted 
Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore never 
gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no. 

They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would have 
been easier to hide. 

This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The Ukrainians are 
not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they were corrupt so 
another motivation could have been financial gain. At any rate they would 
surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also --- 
some or all of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring 
country such as Poland. 

Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His bluster is 
directed at NATO.

Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original 
processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several "secret 
cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area is the 
center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been promised 
billions of Euros to retrieve the material.
 
If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians - 
they would already have been toast by now.

Terry Blanton wrote:  
 Regretfully, I agree.
ROGER ANDERTON wrote:

 Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia, 
hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as 
breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion - 
i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke 
agreement much earlier than recognised









-- Original Message --
From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" 
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09
Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year

  
I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that 
they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is 
working IMHO/
 
 
 
I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER 
AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
 
 
 
FRC 
 
 
 
-
 
 
 
Sent from  Mail for Windows
 
 
  
From: Jones Beene
 Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
  
 
   
Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.
   
 
   
We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent 
past.
   
 
   
The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine 
decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The 
Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.
   
 
   
The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of 
non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not 
aligned with NATO/USA ??
   
 
   
This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset
   
 
   
 
   
Terry Blanton wrote: 
 
 
   
 
  
The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm 
sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't 
found them by now, well...
  
 

Jones Beene wrote:
  

Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ?
   
 
   
Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything. 
Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear 
option exists. 
   
 
   
Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden 
possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and 
now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below 
on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of...
   
 
   
It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control 
of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have 
mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back 
in the early 1990s
   
 
   
The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with 
adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes 
many things...
   
 
   
Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden 
ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising 
ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already 
been planted.., maybe even in DC
   
 
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854
   
 
   
If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i
   
-- Happy New Year !!!