There is another point of view which recognizes that Ukraine never trusted
Russia (duh, who does?) ... going back through history - and therefore never
gave up all of their nukes - treaty or no.
They most likely kept smaller suitcase or artillery devices which would have
been easier to hide.
This would not have been difficult to do in that time frame. The Ukrainians are
not so stupid as to trust Russia and before Zelenskyy they were corrupt so
another motivation could have been financial gain. At any rate they would
surely have kept enough fissile material to serve as a deterrent, but also ---
some or all of that material may be in private hands maybe in a neighboring
country such as Poland.
Putin is probably aware of this. After all he is the master spy. His bluster is
directed at NATO.
Ukraine has almost twice the U reserves as the USA as well as the original
processing plants going back to the cold war when there were several "secret
cities" scattered around the Donbas which may explain why that area is the
center of attention of the Wagner group ... which has likely been promised
billions of Euros to retrieve the material.
If there was NOT such a deterrent out there in the hands of the Ukrainians -
they would already have been toast by now.
Terry Blanton wrote:
Regretfully, I agree.
ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
Ukraine was not supposed to have nukes by earlier agreements with Russia,
hence Ukraine wanted to join NATO to get access to nukes - and that was seen as
breaking agreements with Russia hence one of the reasons for Putin's invasion -
i.e deemed Russia was provoked. If Ukraine secretly has nukes then they broke
agreement much earlier than recognised
------ Original Message ------
From: "bobcook39...@hotmail.com" <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 00:09
Subject: RE: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
I AGREE WITH JONES; Ukraine sent drones deep into Russia to remind Putin that
they are not the onley onrs with tactical nucs. MAD is alive ane still is
working IMHO/
I see a trues in the new YEAR WITH Ukraine 95 % WHOLE—MAYBE AN OLD ww2 CRUSIER
AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE FOR THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
FRC
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From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 5:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2023 -- An ominous New Year
Yes I remember seeing some of this years ago.
We have to remember that Ukraine was just as corrupt as Russia in the recent
past.
The new twist is that the suitcase devices were actually constructed in Ukraine
decades ago ... as were other nukes in the Soviet arsenal years ago. The
Russian equivalent to Oak Ridge is actually n Ukraine.
The problem now being this - are some of the missing devices in the hands of
non-Zelenskyy Ukrainians or ex patriots who may have an agenda which is not
aligned with NATO/USA ??
This mystery may explain why Putin has not used a major asset
Terry Blanton wrote:
The missing suitcase nukes hidden in cities in the US is not a new story. I'm
sure it was around in the 90s after the collapse of the SU. If NEST hasn't
found them by now, well...
Jones Beene wrote:
Can this upcoming year, 2023, possibly be Happy for most of us ?
Consider this: the situation in Ukraine has cast a dark shadow over everything.
Basically, Russia cannot win, nor can they fully lose... so long as a nuclear
option exists.
Most military experts rule out that option, but they have overlooked one hidden
possibility which is now emerging (from the all but forgotten Cold War) - and
now we see this predicament turning up in the fringe news. See the video below
on the 250 so-called "suitcase nukes" that we have lost track of...
It is sad to think that part of our present predicament is related to control
of energy resources, which is a situation that LENR would arguably have
mollified or eliminated, if the technology had been adequately researched back
in the early 1990s
The Balance of Power, so to speak, would have been different in a world with
adequate energy beyond fossil fuels... but of course that conclusion assumes
many things...
Speaking of related unproved assumptions which would change things in hidden
ways... check out this video which turned up today. There are surprising
ramifications given that a preexisting batch of small nukes may have already
been planted.., maybe even in DC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_7eZVt854
If there are optimists out there on Volandia let me add:i
-- Happy New Year !!!
